Re: EMD Dispatching Controversy?

[Guest guest]

,

Let me shed some light, I work the largest and the only 9-1-1

provider that is using MPDS in our county. Sal works in this county

also. By using MPDS sal thinks the are 'hiding traffic' from everyone

that is scanning our frequencies.

Danny

>

> > The National Academy of EMD is affiliated with Dr.

> > Clawson and his *proprietary* method of Emergency

> > Medical Dispatching, correct?

> >

> > Would that be like Zoll, , or PhysioControl

> > saying that defibrillation only works when you use

> > their device? Or perhaps like a college or training

> > program saying that EMS only works when the EMTs and

> > paramedics are graduates of their school?

> >

> > In my opinion, there's too many proprietary

> > solutions out there for EMS. EMD/MPDS and the

> > various other " card " courses all fall into that

> > category. Some marketing guru finds a niche, then

> > starts claiming their product/system is the

> > " standard of care, " and lo and behold, the lemmings

> > of EMS follow behind.

> >

> > We've got to get away from proprietary methods and

> > move towards open-source standards that are backed

> > by research.

> >

> > -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> > Austin, Texas

> >

> > Re: EMD Dispatching

> > Controversy?

> >

> >

> > , I just forwarded this email to Carlynn Page

> > of the National Academy Of

> > EMD, we'll see what the answer is!

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

,

Let me shed some light, I work the largest and the only 9-1-1

provider that is using MPDS in our county. Sal works in this county

also. By using MPDS sal thinks the are 'hiding traffic' from everyone

that is scanning our frequencies.

Danny

>

> > The National Academy of EMD is affiliated with Dr.

> > Clawson and his *proprietary* method of Emergency

> > Medical Dispatching, correct?

> >

> > Would that be like Zoll, , or PhysioControl

> > saying that defibrillation only works when you use

> > their device? Or perhaps like a college or training

> > program saying that EMS only works when the EMTs and

> > paramedics are graduates of their school?

> >

> > In my opinion, there's too many proprietary

> > solutions out there for EMS. EMD/MPDS and the

> > various other " card " courses all fall into that

> > category. Some marketing guru finds a niche, then

> > starts claiming their product/system is the

> > " standard of care, " and lo and behold, the lemmings

> > of EMS follow behind.

> >

> > We've got to get away from proprietary methods and

> > move towards open-source standards that are backed

> > by research.

> >

> > -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> > Austin, Texas

> >

> > Re: EMD Dispatching

> > Controversy?

> >

> >

> > , I just forwarded this email to Carlynn Page

> > of the National Academy Of

> > EMD, we'll see what the answer is!

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

,

Let me shed some light, I work the largest and the only 9-1-1

provider that is using MPDS in our county. Sal works in this county

also. By using MPDS sal thinks the are 'hiding traffic' from everyone

that is scanning our frequencies.

Danny

>

> > The National Academy of EMD is affiliated with Dr.

> > Clawson and his *proprietary* method of Emergency

> > Medical Dispatching, correct?

> >

> > Would that be like Zoll, , or PhysioControl

> > saying that defibrillation only works when you use

> > their device? Or perhaps like a college or training

> > program saying that EMS only works when the EMTs and

> > paramedics are graduates of their school?

> >

> > In my opinion, there's too many proprietary

> > solutions out there for EMS. EMD/MPDS and the

> > various other " card " courses all fall into that

> > category. Some marketing guru finds a niche, then

> > starts claiming their product/system is the

> > " standard of care, " and lo and behold, the lemmings

> > of EMS follow behind.

> >

> > We've got to get away from proprietary methods and

> > move towards open-source standards that are backed

> > by research.

> >

> > -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> > Austin, Texas

> >

> > Re: EMD Dispatching

> > Controversy?

> >

> >

> > , I just forwarded this email to Carlynn Page

> > of the National Academy Of

> > EMD, we'll see what the answer is!

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>

> I have no clue what in the world you are talking about here. Please

>explain the following statement: " The only thing MPDS does is hide

>the traffic from other providers " .

Dispatching a call based on the MPDS determinant code (17-D-1 or 6-D-1

for example) instead of dispatching it out as a " Priority 2 Fall "

or " Priority 2 Respiratory. " Those who are not familiar with the MPDS

codes will not be able to distinguish between the different codes, in

theory.

-Alfonso R. Ochoa

[Guest guest]

>

> I have no clue what in the world you are talking about here. Please

>explain the following statement: " The only thing MPDS does is hide

>the traffic from other providers " .

Dispatching a call based on the MPDS determinant code (17-D-1 or 6-D-1

for example) instead of dispatching it out as a " Priority 2 Fall "

or " Priority 2 Respiratory. " Those who are not familiar with the MPDS

codes will not be able to distinguish between the different codes, in

theory.

-Alfonso R. Ochoa

[Guest guest]

>

> I have no clue what in the world you are talking about here. Please

>explain the following statement: " The only thing MPDS does is hide

>the traffic from other providers " .

Dispatching a call based on the MPDS determinant code (17-D-1 or 6-D-1

for example) instead of dispatching it out as a " Priority 2 Fall "

or " Priority 2 Respiratory. " Those who are not familiar with the MPDS

codes will not be able to distinguish between the different codes, in

theory.

-Alfonso R. Ochoa

[Guest guest]

Well some people seem to think it is illegal to scan,

when it isn't. No where in black and white as far as

a TDSHS violation in the rules. In some territories,

RGV for example, new companies used to scan the 911

company frequencies for emergency traffic and try to

respond and get there before the 911. Now with MPDS

you don't really know what is going on. Anyway, in

order to be eligible for DHS (Department of Homeland

Security) grants in the future, it was reported that

all agencies had to go back to plain english language,

to include PD.

Salvador Capuchino Jr

EMT-Paramedic

--- " E. Tate " wrote:

> I have no clue what in the world you are talking

> about here. Please explain the following statement:

> " The only thing MPDS does is hide the traffic from

> other providers " .

>

> What do DSHS grants and MPDS have to do with each

> other?

>

>

> Completely missing the point,

> Tater

>

>

>

> salvador capuchino wrote:

> I agree, same goes for those using SSM. The only

> thing it proves is that you can increase your profit

> by stretching your resources to the limit, but at

> the

> cost of those on the other side of the 911 call.

> Too

> many times I have seen ambulances arriving at the

> scene of a major MVC 20-30 minutes after the

> incident

> occured. The only thing MPDS does is hide the

> traffic

> from other providers when in reality EMS has nothing

> to hide from the public. Hopefully soon with the

> requirements for DHS grants MPDS will be done away

> with much like 10 codes due to the need for one

> common

> language at a multijurisdiction MCI.

> Salvador Capuchino Jr

> EMT-Paramedic

>

> --- ExLngHrn@... wrote:

>

> > The National Academy of EMD is affiliated with Dr.

> > Clawson and his *proprietary* method of Emergency

> > Medical Dispatching, correct?

> >

> > Would that be like Zoll, , or

> PhysioControl

> > saying that defibrillation only works when you use

> > their device? Or perhaps like a college or

> training

> > program saying that EMS only works when the EMTs

> and

> > paramedics are graduates of their school?

> >

> > In my opinion, there's too many proprietary

> > solutions out there for EMS. EMD/MPDS and the

> > various other " card " courses all fall into that

> > category. Some marketing guru finds a niche, then

> > starts claiming their product/system is the

> > " standard of care, " and lo and behold, the

> lemmings

> > of EMS follow behind.

> >

> > We've got to get away from proprietary methods and

> > move towards open-source standards that are backed

> > by research.

> >

> > -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> > Austin, Texas

> >

> > Re: EMD Dispatching

> > Controversy?

> >

> >

> > , I just forwarded this email to Carlynn

> Page

> > of the National Academy Of

> > EMD, we'll see what the answer is!

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Well some people seem to think it is illegal to scan,

when it isn't. No where in black and white as far as

a TDSHS violation in the rules. In some territories,

RGV for example, new companies used to scan the 911

company frequencies for emergency traffic and try to

respond and get there before the 911. Now with MPDS

you don't really know what is going on. Anyway, in

order to be eligible for DHS (Department of Homeland

Security) grants in the future, it was reported that

all agencies had to go back to plain english language,

to include PD.

Salvador Capuchino Jr

EMT-Paramedic

--- " E. Tate " wrote:

> I have no clue what in the world you are talking

> about here. Please explain the following statement:

> " The only thing MPDS does is hide the traffic from

> other providers " .

>

> What do DSHS grants and MPDS have to do with each

> other?

>

>

> Completely missing the point,

> Tater

>

>

>

> salvador capuchino wrote:

> I agree, same goes for those using SSM. The only

> thing it proves is that you can increase your profit

> by stretching your resources to the limit, but at

> the

> cost of those on the other side of the 911 call.

> Too

> many times I have seen ambulances arriving at the

> scene of a major MVC 20-30 minutes after the

> incident

> occured. The only thing MPDS does is hide the

> traffic

> from other providers when in reality EMS has nothing

> to hide from the public. Hopefully soon with the

> requirements for DHS grants MPDS will be done away

> with much like 10 codes due to the need for one

> common

> language at a multijurisdiction MCI.

> Salvador Capuchino Jr

> EMT-Paramedic

>

> --- ExLngHrn@... wrote:

>

> > The National Academy of EMD is affiliated with Dr.

> > Clawson and his *proprietary* method of Emergency

> > Medical Dispatching, correct?

> >

> > Would that be like Zoll, , or

> PhysioControl

> > saying that defibrillation only works when you use

> > their device? Or perhaps like a college or

> training

> > program saying that EMS only works when the EMTs

> and

> > paramedics are graduates of their school?

> >

> > In my opinion, there's too many proprietary

> > solutions out there for EMS. EMD/MPDS and the

> > various other " card " courses all fall into that

> > category. Some marketing guru finds a niche, then

> > starts claiming their product/system is the

> > " standard of care, " and lo and behold, the

> lemmings

> > of EMS follow behind.

> >

> > We've got to get away from proprietary methods and

> > move towards open-source standards that are backed

> > by research.

> >

> > -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> > Austin, Texas

> >

> > Re: EMD Dispatching

> > Controversy?

> >

> >

> > , I just forwarded this email to Carlynn

> Page

> > of the National Academy Of

> > EMD, we'll see what the answer is!

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

> Anyway, in

> order to be eligible for DHS (Department of Homeland

> Security) grants in the future, it was reported that

> all agencies had to go back to plain english language,

> to include PD.

I personally hate 10 codes. Plain English works so much better.

-Alfonso R. Ochoa

[Guest guest]

Danny, in essence you are hiding the traffic from

those that do not use or are familiar with the system.

However, I am not saying that that is you primary

reason for doing so. I agree that it brings

organization to dispatch. I have had to step in one

too many times to take over a 911 call from a

dispatcher that got pulled off the street and recently

graduated HS because they could not handle the

histerical caller or being yelled and cussed at.

Salvador Capuchino Jr

EMT-Paramedic

--- Danny wrote:

>

> ,

>

> Let me shed some light, I work the largest and the

> only 9-1-1

> provider that is using MPDS in our county. Sal works

> in this county

> also. By using MPDS sal thinks the are 'hiding

> traffic' from everyone

> that is scanning our frequencies.

>

> Danny

>

> >

> > > The National Academy of EMD is affiliated with

> Dr.

> > > Clawson and his *proprietary* method of

> Emergency

> > > Medical Dispatching, correct?

> > >

> > > Would that be like Zoll, , or

> PhysioControl

> > > saying that defibrillation only works when you

> use

> > > their device? Or perhaps like a college or

> training

> > > program saying that EMS only works when the EMTs

> and

> > > paramedics are graduates of their school?

> > >

> > > In my opinion, there's too many proprietary

> > > solutions out there for EMS. EMD/MPDS and the

> > > various other " card " courses all fall into that

> > > category. Some marketing guru finds a niche,

> then

> > > starts claiming their product/system is the

> > > " standard of care, " and lo and behold, the

> lemmings

> > > of EMS follow behind.

> > >

> > > We've got to get away from proprietary methods

> and

> > > move towards open-source standards that are

> backed

> > > by research.

> > >

> > > -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> > > Austin, Texas

> > >

> > > Re: EMD Dispatching

> > > Controversy?

> > >

> > >

> > > , I just forwarded this email to Carlynn

> Page

> > > of the National Academy Of

> > > EMD, we'll see what the answer is!

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Danny, in essence you are hiding the traffic from

those that do not use or are familiar with the system.

However, I am not saying that that is you primary

reason for doing so. I agree that it brings

organization to dispatch. I have had to step in one

too many times to take over a 911 call from a

dispatcher that got pulled off the street and recently

graduated HS because they could not handle the

histerical caller or being yelled and cussed at.

Salvador Capuchino Jr

EMT-Paramedic

--- Danny wrote:

>

> ,

>

> Let me shed some light, I work the largest and the

> only 9-1-1

> provider that is using MPDS in our county. Sal works

> in this county

> also. By using MPDS sal thinks the are 'hiding

> traffic' from everyone

> that is scanning our frequencies.

>

> Danny

>

> >

> > > The National Academy of EMD is affiliated with

> Dr.

> > > Clawson and his *proprietary* method of

> Emergency

> > > Medical Dispatching, correct?

> > >

> > > Would that be like Zoll, , or

> PhysioControl

> > > saying that defibrillation only works when you

> use

> > > their device? Or perhaps like a college or

> training

> > > program saying that EMS only works when the EMTs

> and

> > > paramedics are graduates of their school?

> > >

> > > In my opinion, there's too many proprietary

> > > solutions out there for EMS. EMD/MPDS and the

> > > various other " card " courses all fall into that

> > > category. Some marketing guru finds a niche,

> then

> > > starts claiming their product/system is the

> > > " standard of care, " and lo and behold, the

> lemmings

> > > of EMS follow behind.

> > >

> > > We've got to get away from proprietary methods

> and

> > > move towards open-source standards that are

> backed

> > > by research.

> > >

> > > -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> > > Austin, Texas

> > >

> > > Re: EMD Dispatching

> > > Controversy?

> > >

> > >

> > > , I just forwarded this email to Carlynn

> Page

> > > of the National Academy Of

> > > EMD, we'll see what the answer is!

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Danny, in essence you are hiding the traffic from

those that do not use or are familiar with the system.

However, I am not saying that that is you primary

reason for doing so. I agree that it brings

organization to dispatch. I have had to step in one

too many times to take over a 911 call from a

dispatcher that got pulled off the street and recently

graduated HS because they could not handle the

histerical caller or being yelled and cussed at.

Salvador Capuchino Jr

EMT-Paramedic

--- Danny wrote:

>

> ,

>

> Let me shed some light, I work the largest and the

> only 9-1-1

> provider that is using MPDS in our county. Sal works

> in this county

> also. By using MPDS sal thinks the are 'hiding

> traffic' from everyone

> that is scanning our frequencies.

>

> Danny

>

> >

> > > The National Academy of EMD is affiliated with

> Dr.

> > > Clawson and his *proprietary* method of

> Emergency

> > > Medical Dispatching, correct?

> > >

> > > Would that be like Zoll, , or

> PhysioControl

> > > saying that defibrillation only works when you

> use

> > > their device? Or perhaps like a college or

> training

> > > program saying that EMS only works when the EMTs

> and

> > > paramedics are graduates of their school?

> > >

> > > In my opinion, there's too many proprietary

> > > solutions out there for EMS. EMD/MPDS and the

> > > various other " card " courses all fall into that

> > > category. Some marketing guru finds a niche,

> then

> > > starts claiming their product/system is the

> > > " standard of care, " and lo and behold, the

> lemmings

> > > of EMS follow behind.

> > >

> > > We've got to get away from proprietary methods

> and

> > > move towards open-source standards that are

> backed

> > > by research.

> > >

> > > -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> > > Austin, Texas

> > >

> > > Re: EMD Dispatching

> > > Controversy?

> > >

> > >

> > > , I just forwarded this email to Carlynn

> Page

> > > of the National Academy Of

> > > EMD, we'll see what the answer is!

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Excellent reply Tater. The only way a system can evolve like you said, is to

provide feedback. The MPDS system has a tool for field crews to let " Q " people

know that the call was A-Z different than dispatched. It will allow a

retrospective review of the call, and education for the Dispatcher for future

calls of that nature, or even a global training tool for all dispatchers.

Mike

[Guest guest]

Excellent reply Tater. The only way a system can evolve like you said, is to

provide feedback. The MPDS system has a tool for field crews to let " Q " people

know that the call was A-Z different than dispatched. It will allow a

retrospective review of the call, and education for the Dispatcher for future

calls of that nature, or even a global training tool for all dispatchers.

Mike

[Guest guest]

Excellent reply Tater. The only way a system can evolve like you said, is to

provide feedback. The MPDS system has a tool for field crews to let " Q " people

know that the call was A-Z different than dispatched. It will allow a

retrospective review of the call, and education for the Dispatcher for future

calls of that nature, or even a global training tool for all dispatchers.

Mike

[Guest guest]

Danny, but not everyone dispatches using 29 Alfa 1, do they? I know of plenty

of EMS agencies using MPDS that still use, Traffic Accident, Minor Injuries.

Mike

[Guest guest]

Danny, but not everyone dispatches using 29 Alfa 1, do they? I know of plenty

of EMS agencies using MPDS that still use, Traffic Accident, Minor Injuries.

Mike

[Guest guest]

Danny, but not everyone dispatches using 29 Alfa 1, do they? I know of plenty

of EMS agencies using MPDS that still use, Traffic Accident, Minor Injuries.

Mike

[Guest guest]

Exactly how does MPDS accomplish this?? Are you dispatched using some kind of

code? If so, who cares?

Does this have something to do with their ability (or inability) to " jump "

calls?

Tater

Danny wrote:

,

Let me shed some light, I work the largest and the only 9-1-1

provider that is using MPDS in our county. Sal works in this county

also. By using MPDS sal thinks the are 'hiding traffic' from everyone

that is scanning our frequencies.

Danny

>

> > The National Academy of EMD is affiliated with Dr.

> > Clawson and his *proprietary* method of Emergency

> > Medical Dispatching, correct?

> >

> > Would that be like Zoll, , or PhysioControl

> > saying that defibrillation only works when you use

> > their device? Or perhaps like a college or training

> > program saying that EMS only works when the EMTs and

> > paramedics are graduates of their school?

> >

> > In my opinion, there's too many proprietary

> > solutions out there for EMS. EMD/MPDS and the

> > various other " card " courses all fall into that

> > category. Some marketing guru finds a niche, then

> > starts claiming their product/system is the

> > " standard of care, " and lo and behold, the lemmings

> > of EMS follow behind.

> >

> > We've got to get away from proprietary methods and

> > move towards open-source standards that are backed

> > by research.

> >

> > -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> > Austin, Texas

> >

> > Re: EMD Dispatching

> > Controversy?

> >

> >

> > , I just forwarded this email to Carlynn Page

> > of the National Academy Of

> > EMD, we'll see what the answer is!

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Exactly how does MPDS accomplish this?? Are you dispatched using some kind of

code? If so, who cares?

Does this have something to do with their ability (or inability) to " jump "

calls?

Tater

Danny wrote:

,

Let me shed some light, I work the largest and the only 9-1-1

provider that is using MPDS in our county. Sal works in this county

also. By using MPDS sal thinks the are 'hiding traffic' from everyone

that is scanning our frequencies.

Danny

>

> > The National Academy of EMD is affiliated with Dr.

> > Clawson and his *proprietary* method of Emergency

> > Medical Dispatching, correct?

> >

> > Would that be like Zoll, , or PhysioControl

> > saying that defibrillation only works when you use

> > their device? Or perhaps like a college or training

> > program saying that EMS only works when the EMTs and

> > paramedics are graduates of their school?

> >

> > In my opinion, there's too many proprietary

> > solutions out there for EMS. EMD/MPDS and the

> > various other " card " courses all fall into that

> > category. Some marketing guru finds a niche, then

> > starts claiming their product/system is the

> > " standard of care, " and lo and behold, the lemmings

> > of EMS follow behind.

> >

> > We've got to get away from proprietary methods and

> > move towards open-source standards that are backed

> > by research.

> >

> > -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> > Austin, Texas

> >

> > Re: EMD Dispatching

> > Controversy?

> >

> >

> > , I just forwarded this email to Carlynn Page

> > of the National Academy Of

> > EMD, we'll see what the answer is!

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Alfonso,

Thank you for shedding light on this statement. We didn’t use the MPDS Codes

to dispatch units when I was in dispatch. I personally can’t see the advantage

to doing this.

“Damn Roy, I’ve lost my MPDS Sooper Dooper decoder ring. What is a 10C1

again?”

“ny, you idiot, that’s a Chest Pain with Abnormal breathing. You’d lose

your head if it wasn’t screwed on tight, wouldn’t you?”

What is the advantage of using these codes? I can see some major

disadvantages.

FWIW, some services use alpha pagers to dispatch, so no one ever knows what

they are doing. Even so, back to one of my original questions, who cares?

(Unless they like to jump calls….)

Tater

" Alfonso R. Ochoa " wrote:

>

> I have no clue what in the world you are talking about here. Please

>explain the following statement: " The only thing MPDS does is hide

>the traffic from other providers " .

Dispatching a call based on the MPDS determinant code (17-D-1 or 6-D-1

for example) instead of dispatching it out as a " Priority 2 Fall "

or " Priority 2 Respiratory. " Those who are not familiar with the MPDS

codes will not be able to distinguish between the different codes, in

theory.

-Alfonso R. Ochoa

[Guest guest]

okay guys, I guess I mentioned the wrong topic. I am

not accusing any service that uses MPDS of just doing

it to hide calls. But maybe that was one intention of

the creator was to hide the traffic the same way 10

codes do to those not familiar with the system. I do

not think there is any service here in the RGV any

longer that jumps calls. Now the pt usually calls

direct. So anyway, it doesn't matter

Sal

--- " E. Tate " wrote:

> Exactly how does MPDS accomplish this?? Are you

> dispatched using some kind of code? If so, who

> cares?

>

> Does this have something to do with their ability

> (or inability) to " jump " calls?

>

>

> Tater

>

>

>

>

> Danny wrote:

>

> ,

>

> Let me shed some light, I work the largest and the

> only 9-1-1

> provider that is using MPDS in our county. Sal works

> in this county

> also. By using MPDS sal thinks the are 'hiding

> traffic' from everyone

> that is scanning our frequencies.

>

> Danny

>

> >

> > > The National Academy of EMD is affiliated with

> Dr.

> > > Clawson and his *proprietary* method of

> Emergency

> > > Medical Dispatching, correct?

> > >

> > > Would that be like Zoll, , or

> PhysioControl

> > > saying that defibrillation only works when you

> use

> > > their device? Or perhaps like a college or

> training

> > > program saying that EMS only works when the EMTs

> and

> > > paramedics are graduates of their school?

> > >

> > > In my opinion, there's too many proprietary

> > > solutions out there for EMS. EMD/MPDS and the

> > > various other " card " courses all fall into that

> > > category. Some marketing guru finds a niche,

> then

> > > starts claiming their product/system is the

> > > " standard of care, " and lo and behold, the

> lemmings

> > > of EMS follow behind.

> > >

> > > We've got to get away from proprietary methods

> and

> > > move towards open-source standards that are

> backed

> > > by research.

> > >

> > > -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> > > Austin, Texas

> > >

> > > Re: EMD Dispatching

> > > Controversy?

> > >

> > >

> > > , I just forwarded this email to Carlynn

> Page

> > > of the National Academy Of

> > > EMD, we'll see what the answer is!

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

okay guys, I guess I mentioned the wrong topic. I am

not accusing any service that uses MPDS of just doing

it to hide calls. But maybe that was one intention of

the creator was to hide the traffic the same way 10

codes do to those not familiar with the system. I do

not think there is any service here in the RGV any

longer that jumps calls. Now the pt usually calls

direct. So anyway, it doesn't matter

Sal

--- " E. Tate " wrote:

> Exactly how does MPDS accomplish this?? Are you

> dispatched using some kind of code? If so, who

> cares?

>

> Does this have something to do with their ability

> (or inability) to " jump " calls?

>

>

> Tater

>

>

>

>

> Danny wrote:

>

> ,

>

> Let me shed some light, I work the largest and the

> only 9-1-1

> provider that is using MPDS in our county. Sal works

> in this county

> also. By using MPDS sal thinks the are 'hiding

> traffic' from everyone

> that is scanning our frequencies.

>

> Danny

>

> >

> > > The National Academy of EMD is affiliated with

> Dr.

> > > Clawson and his *proprietary* method of

> Emergency

> > > Medical Dispatching, correct?

> > >

> > > Would that be like Zoll, , or

> PhysioControl

> > > saying that defibrillation only works when you

> use

> > > their device? Or perhaps like a college or

> training

> > > program saying that EMS only works when the EMTs

> and

> > > paramedics are graduates of their school?

> > >

> > > In my opinion, there's too many proprietary

> > > solutions out there for EMS. EMD/MPDS and the

> > > various other " card " courses all fall into that

> > > category. Some marketing guru finds a niche,

> then

> > > starts claiming their product/system is the

> > > " standard of care, " and lo and behold, the

> lemmings

> > > of EMS follow behind.

> > >

> > > We've got to get away from proprietary methods

> and

> > > move towards open-source standards that are

> backed

> > > by research.

> > >

> > > -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> > > Austin, Texas

> > >

> > > Re: EMD Dispatching

> > > Controversy?

> > >

> > >

> > > , I just forwarded this email to Carlynn

> Page

> > > of the National Academy Of

> > > EMD, we'll see what the answer is!

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Sal,

So what your saying is, that if one your pts, calls your service on

an emergency, you would respond from whereever you are instead of

directing them to call 9-1-1 and possibly get a closer ambulance or

Fire first responder? And there are still plenty of services

that " jump " calls in the RGV.

Danny

> > >

> > > > The National Academy of EMD is affiliated with

> > Dr.

> > > > Clawson and his *proprietary* method of

> > Emergency

> > > > Medical Dispatching, correct?

> > > >

> > > > Would that be like Zoll, , or

> > PhysioControl

> > > > saying that defibrillation only works when you

> > use

> > > > their device? Or perhaps like a college or

> > training

> > > > program saying that EMS only works when the EMTs

> > and

> > > > paramedics are graduates of their school?

> > > >

> > > > In my opinion, there's too many proprietary

> > > > solutions out there for EMS. EMD/MPDS and the

> > > > various other " card " courses all fall into that

> > > > category. Some marketing guru finds a niche,

> > then

> > > > starts claiming their product/system is the

> > > > " standard of care, " and lo and behold, the

> > lemmings

> > > > of EMS follow behind.

> > > >

> > > > We've got to get away from proprietary methods

> > and

> > > > move towards open-source standards that are

> > backed

> > > > by research.

> > > >

> > > > -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> > > > Austin, Texas

> > > >

> > > > Re: EMD Dispatching

> > > > Controversy?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , I just forwarded this email to Carlynn

> > Page

> > > > of the National Academy Of

> > > > EMD, we'll see what the answer is!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > removed]

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Sal,

So what your saying is, that if one your pts, calls your service on

an emergency, you would respond from whereever you are instead of

directing them to call 9-1-1 and possibly get a closer ambulance or

Fire first responder? And there are still plenty of services

that " jump " calls in the RGV.

Danny

> > >

> > > > The National Academy of EMD is affiliated with

> > Dr.

> > > > Clawson and his *proprietary* method of

> > Emergency

> > > > Medical Dispatching, correct?

> > > >

> > > > Would that be like Zoll, , or

> > PhysioControl

> > > > saying that defibrillation only works when you

> > use

> > > > their device? Or perhaps like a college or

> > training

> > > > program saying that EMS only works when the EMTs

> > and

> > > > paramedics are graduates of their school?

> > > >

> > > > In my opinion, there's too many proprietary

> > > > solutions out there for EMS. EMD/MPDS and the

> > > > various other " card " courses all fall into that

> > > > category. Some marketing guru finds a niche,

> > then

> > > > starts claiming their product/system is the

> > > > " standard of care, " and lo and behold, the

> > lemmings

> > > > of EMS follow behind.

> > > >

> > > > We've got to get away from proprietary methods

> > and

> > > > move towards open-source standards that are

> > backed

> > > > by research.

> > > >

> > > > -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> > > > Austin, Texas

> > > >

> > > > Re: EMD Dispatching

> > > > Controversy?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , I just forwarded this email to Carlynn

> > Page

> > > > of the National Academy Of

> > > > EMD, we'll see what the answer is!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > removed]

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >