RE: Teens face charges after stealing ambulance - Arlington / Grand Prairie

[Guest guest]

“I’m sorry that the ambulance is cold Mrs. , but the Texas Motor

Vehicle Code requires us to turn the engine off.”

“Vance, you can stop compressions to start the engine.”

“I hope no one runs into our truck while it’s sitting in the middle of the

road with no lights on.”

I’ve got an idea. Leave your lights and your heater on while the engine is

not running. The motor vehicle code does not require you to shut down you

electrical systems. You can keep a pair of jumper cables with you. Then

when you get out to your truck and the battery is dead, you can boost it off

using a neighbor’s car.

Yes , I know it’s the law, but if you follow this line of thinking, you

probably think that the U.S. Government is responsible for 9/11, and not the

terrorists who committed the act. Whatever happened to personal

responsibility? Bad things happen because bad people do bad things, not

because good people give them opportunity.

(BTW, curbing the wheels and setting the brake do little to prevent theft)

Bullard BS, LP

Operations Manager

Lubbock Aid Ambulance

<http://www.lubbockambulance.com/> http://www.lubbockambulance.com

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of E. Tate

Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:03 PM

To:

Subject: Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

Teens face charges after stealing ambulance 09:28 AM CST on Monday,

January 9, 2006 WFAA-TV Two teens face charges this morning after

allegedly stealing an ambulance.

An Arlington ambulance crew was transferring a patient in Grand Prairie.

When they came out, their ambulance was gone.

Using GPS, police tracked it to Grapevine.

There were no patients inside the vehicle at the time it was stolen.

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaaa060109_lj

_ambulance.5e23f2a1.html

This happens several times a year. I would just like to remind everyone

of the following from the Texas Transportation Code.

§ 545.404. UNATTENDED MOTOR VEHICLE. An operator may

not leave the vehicle unattended without:

(1) stopping the engine;

(2) locking the ignition;

(3) removing the key from the ignition;

(4) setting the parking brake effectively; and

(5) if standing on a grade, turning the front wheels to

the curb or side of the highway.

E. Tate, LP

Whitehouse, Texas

What’s stopping you from joining EMSAT? http://www.TexasEMSAT.org

---------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

“I’m sorry that the ambulance is cold Mrs. , but the Texas Motor

Vehicle Code requires us to turn the engine off.”

“Vance, you can stop compressions to start the engine.”

“I hope no one runs into our truck while it’s sitting in the middle of the

road with no lights on.”

I’ve got an idea. Leave your lights and your heater on while the engine is

not running. The motor vehicle code does not require you to shut down you

electrical systems. You can keep a pair of jumper cables with you. Then

when you get out to your truck and the battery is dead, you can boost it off

using a neighbor’s car.

Yes , I know it’s the law, but if you follow this line of thinking, you

probably think that the U.S. Government is responsible for 9/11, and not the

terrorists who committed the act. Whatever happened to personal

responsibility? Bad things happen because bad people do bad things, not

because good people give them opportunity.

(BTW, curbing the wheels and setting the brake do little to prevent theft)

Bullard BS, LP

Operations Manager

Lubbock Aid Ambulance

<http://www.lubbockambulance.com/> http://www.lubbockambulance.com

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of E. Tate

Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:03 PM

To:

Subject: Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

Teens face charges after stealing ambulance 09:28 AM CST on Monday,

January 9, 2006 WFAA-TV Two teens face charges this morning after

allegedly stealing an ambulance.

An Arlington ambulance crew was transferring a patient in Grand Prairie.

When they came out, their ambulance was gone.

Using GPS, police tracked it to Grapevine.

There were no patients inside the vehicle at the time it was stolen.

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaaa060109_lj

_ambulance.5e23f2a1.html

This happens several times a year. I would just like to remind everyone

of the following from the Texas Transportation Code.

§ 545.404. UNATTENDED MOTOR VEHICLE. An operator may

not leave the vehicle unattended without:

(1) stopping the engine;

(2) locking the ignition;

(3) removing the key from the ignition;

(4) setting the parking brake effectively; and

(5) if standing on a grade, turning the front wheels to

the curb or side of the highway.

E. Tate, LP

Whitehouse, Texas

What’s stopping you from joining EMSAT? http://www.TexasEMSAT.org

---------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

I'd have to do some research, but aren't emergency vehicles operating during an

emergency exempt from most traffic laws? And what cop would ticket an EMS crew

for leaving the unit running? Seems like the defense of necessity might apply.

Although I'm sure this statute could be a gold mine for Frazer and any other

companies that sell an ambulance with an on-board generator. <GRIN>

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

Teens face charges after stealing ambulance 09:28 AM CST on Monday,

January 9, 2006 WFAA-TV Two teens face charges this morning after

allegedly stealing an ambulance.

An Arlington ambulance crew was transferring a patient in Grand Prairie.

When they came out, their ambulance was gone.

Using GPS, police tracked it to Grapevine.

There were no patients inside the vehicle at the time it was stolen.

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaaa060109_lj

_ambulance.5e23f2a1.html

This happens several times a year. I would just like to remind everyone

of the following from the Texas Transportation Code.

§ 545.404. UNATTENDED MOTOR VEHICLE. An operator may

not leave the vehicle unattended without:

(1) stopping the engine;

(2) locking the ignition;

(3) removing the key from the ignition;

(4) setting the parking brake effectively; and

(5) if standing on a grade, turning the front wheels to

the curb or side of the highway.

E. Tate, LP

Whitehouse, Texas

What's stopping you from joining EMSAT? http://www.TexasEMSAT.org

---------------------------------

Yahoo! Photos - Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover

Photo Books. You design it and we'll bind it!

[Guest guest]

I'd have to do some research, but aren't emergency vehicles operating during an

emergency exempt from most traffic laws? And what cop would ticket an EMS crew

for leaving the unit running? Seems like the defense of necessity might apply.

Although I'm sure this statute could be a gold mine for Frazer and any other

companies that sell an ambulance with an on-board generator. <GRIN>

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

Teens face charges after stealing ambulance 09:28 AM CST on Monday,

January 9, 2006 WFAA-TV Two teens face charges this morning after

allegedly stealing an ambulance.

An Arlington ambulance crew was transferring a patient in Grand Prairie.

When they came out, their ambulance was gone.

Using GPS, police tracked it to Grapevine.

There were no patients inside the vehicle at the time it was stolen.

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaaa060109_lj

_ambulance.5e23f2a1.html

This happens several times a year. I would just like to remind everyone

of the following from the Texas Transportation Code.

§ 545.404. UNATTENDED MOTOR VEHICLE. An operator may

not leave the vehicle unattended without:

(1) stopping the engine;

(2) locking the ignition;

(3) removing the key from the ignition;

(4) setting the parking brake effectively; and

(5) if standing on a grade, turning the front wheels to

the curb or side of the highway.

E. Tate, LP

Whitehouse, Texas

What's stopping you from joining EMSAT? http://www.TexasEMSAT.org

---------------------------------

Yahoo! Photos - Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover

Photo Books. You design it and we'll bind it!

[Guest guest]

Kudos to those agencies that have the intelligence and foresight to

mandate that their units remain locked at all times. Never heard of

anybody stealing a locked ambulance.

Rob

[Guest guest]

Kudos to those agencies that have the intelligence and foresight to

mandate that their units remain locked at all times. Never heard of

anybody stealing a locked ambulance.

Rob

[Guest guest]

Kudos to those agencies that have the intelligence and foresight to

mandate that their units remain locked at all times. Never heard of

anybody stealing a locked ambulance.

Rob

[Guest guest]

they sell simple security sysstems that allow you to leave the unit running, and

take the keys. when the gas is depressed without a key in the ignition, the

unit dies. no more than $100-$150 per unit, WELL worth the money. I know that

AMR, which runs Arlington, has a policy regarding this issue, as well as all the

fancy bells and whistles for the units.

[Guest guest]

they sell simple security sysstems that allow you to leave the unit running, and

take the keys. when the gas is depressed without a key in the ignition, the

unit dies. no more than $100-$150 per unit, WELL worth the money. I know that

AMR, which runs Arlington, has a policy regarding this issue, as well as all the

fancy bells and whistles for the units.

[Guest guest]

they sell simple security sysstems that allow you to leave the unit running, and

take the keys. when the gas is depressed without a key in the ignition, the

unit dies. no more than $100-$150 per unit, WELL worth the money. I know that

AMR, which runs Arlington, has a policy regarding this issue, as well as all the

fancy bells and whistles for the units.

[Guest guest]

Now that's a good idea!!

Bullard BS, LP

Operations Manager

Lubbock Aid Ambulance

<http://www.lubbockambulance.com/> http://www.lubbockambulance.com

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of ,

Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 11:41 AM

To:

Subject: Re: Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

they sell simple security sysstems that allow you to leave the unit running,

and take the keys. when the gas is depressed without a key in the ignition,

the unit dies. no more than $100-$150 per unit, WELL worth the money. I

know that AMR, which runs Arlington, has a policy regarding this issue, as

well as all the fancy bells and whistles for the units.

[Guest guest]

Now that's a good idea!!

Bullard BS, LP

Operations Manager

Lubbock Aid Ambulance

<http://www.lubbockambulance.com/> http://www.lubbockambulance.com

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of ,

Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 11:41 AM

To:

Subject: Re: Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

they sell simple security sysstems that allow you to leave the unit running,

and take the keys. when the gas is depressed without a key in the ignition,

the unit dies. no more than $100-$150 per unit, WELL worth the money. I

know that AMR, which runs Arlington, has a policy regarding this issue, as

well as all the fancy bells and whistles for the units.

[Guest guest]

It’s not so much the fact that a cop would ticket as it is that an attorney,

judge, or jury would find it reasonable to excuse the actions of the

offender just because the vehicle was not secured. Haven’t you heard the

one about the guy who stole a car that was running in front of the owner’s

home, then was injured in a wreck shortly after? The homeowner supposedly

was found responsible for making the vehicle available to the offender.

Bullard BS, LP

Operations Manager

Lubbock Aid Ambulance

<http://www.lubbockambulance.com/> http://www.lubbockambulance.com

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of ExLngHrn@...

Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 11:11 AM

To:

Subject: Re: Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

I'd have to do some research, but aren't emergency vehicles operating during

an emergency exempt from most traffic laws? And what cop would ticket an

EMS crew for leaving the unit running? Seems like the defense of necessity

might apply.

Although I'm sure this statute could be a gold mine for Frazer and any other

companies that sell an ambulance with an on-board generator. <GRIN>

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

Teens face charges after stealing ambulance 09:28 AM CST on Monday,

January 9, 2006 WFAA-TV Two teens face charges this morning after

allegedly stealing an ambulance.

An Arlington ambulance crew was transferring a patient in Grand Prairie.

When they came out, their ambulance was gone.

Using GPS, police tracked it to Grapevine.

There were no patients inside the vehicle at the time it was stolen.

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaaa060109_lj

_ambulance.5e23f2a1.html

This happens several times a year. I would just like to remind everyone

of the following from the Texas Transportation Code.

§ 545.404. UNATTENDED MOTOR VEHICLE. An operator may

not leave the vehicle unattended without:

(1) stopping the engine;

(2) locking the ignition;

(3) removing the key from the ignition;

(4) setting the parking brake effectively; and

(5) if standing on a grade, turning the front wheels to

the curb or side of the highway.

E. Tate, LP

Whitehouse, Texas

What's stopping you from joining EMSAT? http://www.TexasEMSAT.org

---------------------------------

Yahoo! Photos - Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover

Photo Books. You design it and we'll bind it!

[Guest guest]

We've all heard " horror stories " about litigation and what juries, lawyers, and

judges decided. Most of those stories are spurious or incomplete at best.

As an attorney, I can assure you it would be very hard for a defendant to create

the reasonable doubt that ANYONE was giving him permission to take an ambulance.

(And I went to law school at Tech, so I know no jury in Lubbock would buy that!)

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

Teens face charges after stealing ambulance 09:28 AM CST on Monday,

January 9, 2006 WFAA-TV Two teens face charges this morning after

allegedly stealing an ambulance.

An Arlington ambulance crew was transferring a patient in Grand Prairie.

When they came out, their ambulance was gone.

Using GPS, police tracked it to Grapevine.

There were no patients inside the vehicle at the time it was stolen.

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaaa060109_lj

_ambulance.5e23f2a1.html

This happens several times a year. I would just like to remind everyone

of the following from the Texas Transportation Code.

§ 545.404. UNATTENDED MOTOR VEHICLE. An operator may

not leave the vehicle unattended without:

(1) stopping the engine;

(2) locking the ignition;

(3) removing the key from the ignition;

(4) setting the parking brake effectively; and

(5) if standing on a grade, turning the front wheels to

the curb or side of the highway.

E. Tate, LP

Whitehouse, Texas

What's stopping you from joining EMSAT? http://www.TexasEMSAT.org

---------------------------------

Yahoo! Photos - Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover

Photo Books. You design it and we'll bind it!

[Guest guest]

We've all heard " horror stories " about litigation and what juries, lawyers, and

judges decided. Most of those stories are spurious or incomplete at best.

As an attorney, I can assure you it would be very hard for a defendant to create

the reasonable doubt that ANYONE was giving him permission to take an ambulance.

(And I went to law school at Tech, so I know no jury in Lubbock would buy that!)

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

Teens face charges after stealing ambulance 09:28 AM CST on Monday,

January 9, 2006 WFAA-TV Two teens face charges this morning after

allegedly stealing an ambulance.

An Arlington ambulance crew was transferring a patient in Grand Prairie.

When they came out, their ambulance was gone.

Using GPS, police tracked it to Grapevine.

There were no patients inside the vehicle at the time it was stolen.

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaaa060109_lj

_ambulance.5e23f2a1.html

This happens several times a year. I would just like to remind everyone

of the following from the Texas Transportation Code.

§ 545.404. UNATTENDED MOTOR VEHICLE. An operator may

not leave the vehicle unattended without:

(1) stopping the engine;

(2) locking the ignition;

(3) removing the key from the ignition;

(4) setting the parking brake effectively; and

(5) if standing on a grade, turning the front wheels to

the curb or side of the highway.

E. Tate, LP

Whitehouse, Texas

What's stopping you from joining EMSAT? http://www.TexasEMSAT.org

---------------------------------

Yahoo! Photos - Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover

Photo Books. You design it and we'll bind it!

[Guest guest]

We've all heard " horror stories " about litigation and what juries, lawyers, and

judges decided. Most of those stories are spurious or incomplete at best.

As an attorney, I can assure you it would be very hard for a defendant to create

the reasonable doubt that ANYONE was giving him permission to take an ambulance.

(And I went to law school at Tech, so I know no jury in Lubbock would buy that!)

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

Teens face charges after stealing ambulance 09:28 AM CST on Monday,

January 9, 2006 WFAA-TV Two teens face charges this morning after

allegedly stealing an ambulance.

An Arlington ambulance crew was transferring a patient in Grand Prairie.

When they came out, their ambulance was gone.

Using GPS, police tracked it to Grapevine.

There were no patients inside the vehicle at the time it was stolen.

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaaa060109_lj

_ambulance.5e23f2a1.html

This happens several times a year. I would just like to remind everyone

of the following from the Texas Transportation Code.

§ 545.404. UNATTENDED MOTOR VEHICLE. An operator may

not leave the vehicle unattended without:

(1) stopping the engine;

(2) locking the ignition;

(3) removing the key from the ignition;

(4) setting the parking brake effectively; and

(5) if standing on a grade, turning the front wheels to

the curb or side of the highway.

E. Tate, LP

Whitehouse, Texas

What's stopping you from joining EMSAT? http://www.TexasEMSAT.org

---------------------------------

Yahoo! Photos - Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover

Photo Books. You design it and we'll bind it!

[Guest guest]

There are ways to secure the unit while still supplying power to heat / AC and

lights. Given that, is there any reason not to secure the unit?

Heat won't escape that fast, and due to the heat retention will re-heat in a

short time. Also, don't you carry blankets?

What about units parked at the station, hospital, or DQ? Why do they need to

be left running?

What does your legal counsel say about the liability of someone driving off

and crashing an ambulance that was left running and unlocked?

Even though we have some lee-way in the law as emergency vehicles, we are

still held to the same standard as everyone else on the road. Civil juries tend

to have no sense of humor as well.

Food for thought,

Tater

Supervisor wrote:

“I’m sorry that the ambulance is cold Mrs. , but the Texas Motor

Vehicle Code requires us to turn the engine off.”

“Vance, you can stop compressions to start the engine.”

“I hope no one runs into our truck while it’s sitting in the middle of the

road with no lights on.”

I’ve got an idea. Leave your lights and your heater on while the engine is

not running. The motor vehicle code does not require you to shut down you

electrical systems. You can keep a pair of jumper cables with you. Then

when you get out to your truck and the battery is dead, you can boost it off

using a neighbor’s car.

Yes , I know it’s the law, but if you follow this line of thinking, you

probably think that the U.S. Government is responsible for 9/11, and not the

terrorists who committed the act. Whatever happened to personal

responsibility? Bad things happen because bad people do bad things, not

because good people give them opportunity.

(BTW, curbing the wheels and setting the brake do little to prevent theft)

Bullard BS, LP

Operations Manager

Lubbock Aid Ambulance

<http://www.lubbockambulance.com/> http://www.lubbockambulance.com

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of E. Tate

Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:03 PM

To:

Subject: Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

Teens face charges after stealing ambulance 09:28 AM CST on Monday,

January 9, 2006 WFAA-TV Two teens face charges this morning after

allegedly stealing an ambulance.

An Arlington ambulance crew was transferring a patient in Grand Prairie.

When they came out, their ambulance was gone.

Using GPS, police tracked it to Grapevine.

There were no patients inside the vehicle at the time it was stolen.

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaaa060109_lj

_ambulance.5e23f2a1.html

This happens several times a year. I would just like to remind everyone

of the following from the Texas Transportation Code.

§ 545.404. UNATTENDED MOTOR VEHICLE. An operator may

not leave the vehicle unattended without:

(1) stopping the engine;

(2) locking the ignition;

(3) removing the key from the ignition;

(4) setting the parking brake effectively; and

(5) if standing on a grade, turning the front wheels to

the curb or side of the highway.

E. Tate, LP

Whitehouse, Texas

What’s stopping you from joining EMSAT? http://www.TexasEMSAT.org

---------------------------------

Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover

Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it!

[Guest guest]

There are ways to secure the unit while still supplying power to heat / AC and

lights. Given that, is there any reason not to secure the unit?

Heat won't escape that fast, and due to the heat retention will re-heat in a

short time. Also, don't you carry blankets?

What about units parked at the station, hospital, or DQ? Why do they need to

be left running?

What does your legal counsel say about the liability of someone driving off

and crashing an ambulance that was left running and unlocked?

Even though we have some lee-way in the law as emergency vehicles, we are

still held to the same standard as everyone else on the road. Civil juries tend

to have no sense of humor as well.

Food for thought,

Tater

Supervisor wrote:

“I’m sorry that the ambulance is cold Mrs. , but the Texas Motor

Vehicle Code requires us to turn the engine off.”

“Vance, you can stop compressions to start the engine.”

“I hope no one runs into our truck while it’s sitting in the middle of the

road with no lights on.”

I’ve got an idea. Leave your lights and your heater on while the engine is

not running. The motor vehicle code does not require you to shut down you

electrical systems. You can keep a pair of jumper cables with you. Then

when you get out to your truck and the battery is dead, you can boost it off

using a neighbor’s car.

Yes , I know it’s the law, but if you follow this line of thinking, you

probably think that the U.S. Government is responsible for 9/11, and not the

terrorists who committed the act. Whatever happened to personal

responsibility? Bad things happen because bad people do bad things, not

because good people give them opportunity.

(BTW, curbing the wheels and setting the brake do little to prevent theft)

Bullard BS, LP

Operations Manager

Lubbock Aid Ambulance

<http://www.lubbockambulance.com/> http://www.lubbockambulance.com

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of E. Tate

Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:03 PM

To:

Subject: Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

Teens face charges after stealing ambulance 09:28 AM CST on Monday,

January 9, 2006 WFAA-TV Two teens face charges this morning after

allegedly stealing an ambulance.

An Arlington ambulance crew was transferring a patient in Grand Prairie.

When they came out, their ambulance was gone.

Using GPS, police tracked it to Grapevine.

There were no patients inside the vehicle at the time it was stolen.

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaaa060109_lj

_ambulance.5e23f2a1.html

This happens several times a year. I would just like to remind everyone

of the following from the Texas Transportation Code.

§ 545.404. UNATTENDED MOTOR VEHICLE. An operator may

not leave the vehicle unattended without:

(1) stopping the engine;

(2) locking the ignition;

(3) removing the key from the ignition;

(4) setting the parking brake effectively; and

(5) if standing on a grade, turning the front wheels to

the curb or side of the highway.

E. Tate, LP

Whitehouse, Texas

What’s stopping you from joining EMSAT? http://www.TexasEMSAT.org

---------------------------------

Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover

Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it!

[Guest guest]

This is one of the reasons ambulances can be bought with a built in

generator that runs the emergency lights/equipment and climate control

system with the engine turned off and the vehicle locked.....

LES POWELL

NREMT-Paramedic, HM-M, RSO, CAAS, CAI, AHA-IT

Medical, Health and Safety Specialist

TOTAL PETROCHEMICALS USA, INC.

P. O. Box 849, Port Arthur, TX 77641?0849

Hwy 366 & 32nd Street, Port Arthur, TX 77642-7901

Tel: ? Fax:

e-mail: les.powell@...

Secretary: American Society of Safety Engineers - Sabine-Neches Chapter

Board of Directors / Web Master: Groves Chamber of Commerce and Tourist Bureau

Web Master: Texas Pecan Festival

Vice Chair - Industrial Division: National Association of Emergency Medical

Technicians

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" I'm sorry that the ambulance is cold Mrs. , but the Texas Motor

Vehicle Code requires us to turn the engine off. "

" Vance, you can stop compressions to start the engine. "

" I hope no one runs into our truck while it's sitting in the middle of the

road with no lights on. "

I've got an idea. Leave your lights and your heater on while the engine

is

not running. The motor vehicle code does not require you to shut down you

electrical systems. You can keep a pair of jumper cables with you. Then

when you get out to your truck and the battery is dead, you can boost it

off

using a neighbor's car.

Yes , I know it's the law, but if you follow this line of thinking,

you

probably think that the U.S. Government is responsible for 9/11, and not

the

terrorists who committed the act. Whatever happened to personal

responsibility? Bad things happen because bad people do bad things, not

because good people give them opportunity.

(BTW, curbing the wheels and setting the brake do little to prevent theft)

Bullard BS, LP

Operations Manager

Lubbock Aid Ambulance

<http://www.lubbockambulance.com/> http://www.lubbockambulance.com

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of E. Tate

Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:03 PM

To:

Subject: Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

Teens face charges after stealing ambulance 09:28 AM CST on Monday,

January 9, 2006 WFAA-TV Two teens face charges this morning after

allegedly stealing an ambulance.

An Arlington ambulance crew was transferring a patient in Grand Prairie.

When they came out, their ambulance was gone.

Using GPS, police tracked it to Grapevine.

There were no patients inside the vehicle at the time it was stolen.

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaaa060109_lj

_ambulance.5e23f2a1.html

This happens several times a year. I would just like to remind everyone

of the following from the Texas Transportation Code.

§ 545.404. UNATTENDED MOTOR VEHICLE. An operator may

not leave the vehicle unattended without:

(1) stopping the engine;

(2) locking the ignition;

(3) removing the key from the ignition;

(4) setting the parking brake effectively; and

(5) if standing on a grade, turning the front wheels to

the curb or side of the highway.

E. Tate, LP

Whitehouse, Texas

What's stopping you from joining EMSAT? http://www.TexasEMSAT.org

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[Guest guest]

I stand corrected! Darn Aggie cops/medics! ;-)

-Wes

Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

Teens face charges after stealing ambulance 09:28 AM CST on Monday,

January 9, 2006 WFAA-TV Two teens face charges this morning after

allegedly stealing an ambulance.

An Arlington ambulance crew was transferring a patient in Grand

Prairie.

When they came out, their ambulance was gone.

Using GPS, police tracked it to Grapevine.

There were no patients inside the vehicle at the time it was stolen.

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaaa06010

9_lj

_ambulance.5e23f2a1.html

This happens several times a year. I would just like to remind

everyone

of the following from the Texas Transportation Code.

§ 545.404. UNATTENDED MOTOR VEHICLE. An operator may

not leave the vehicle unattended without:

(1) stopping the engine;

(2) locking the ignition;

(3) removing the key from the ignition;

(4) setting the parking brake effectively; and

(5) if standing on a grade, turning the front wheels to

the curb or side of the highway.

E. Tate, LP

Whitehouse, Texas

What's stopping you from joining EMSAT? http://www.TexasEMSAT.org

---------------------------------

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Photo Books. You design it and we'll bind it!

[Guest guest]

I am, by no means, opposed to locking up trucks when they are not in use. I

just find it somewhat unreasonable in the climate in which I work to expect

this to be done on every call. I am also aware of generators and AC-powered

climate control systems and the expense involved in obtaining them and

maintaining them. These systems are not always feasible for a small private

company. By the way, we have had an ambulance stolen (See Plainview Daily

Herald article 2/11/04,

http://www.myplainview.com/04/02112004_ambulance_chase.htm), and in this

case, as with most I’m sure, it was recovered very quickly.

Heat won't escape that fast, and due to the heat retention will re-heat in a

short time. Also, don't you carry blankets?

- Yes we carry blankets. Have you ever tried to conduct a

head-to-toe exam, start an I.V., initiate cardiac monitoring, and apply

bandaging and splinting materials without removing the blanket?

What about units parked at the station, hospital, or DQ? Why do they need

to be left running?

- I was taught years ago as a new EMT that it takes more fuel to

start a diesel than to leave it idling for 30 minutes. So leaving the truck

running is a simple matter of cost effective fuel use. Of the scenarios you

listed, it is not likely that the engine would need to be left running. Of

course, that would be why I didn’t use these scenarios in my witty, if not

somewhat sarcastic, introduction.

- What does your legal counsel say about the liability of someone

driving off and crashing an ambulance that was left running and unlocked?

If my legal counsel is Wes Ogilvie, he says we should have little, if any,

liability.

Bullard BS, LP

Operations Manager

Lubbock Aid Ambulance

<http://www.lubbockambulance.com/> http://www.lubbockambulance.com

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of E. Tate

Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:01 PM

To:

Subject: RE: Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

There are ways to secure the unit while still supplying power to heat / AC

and lights. Given that, is there any reason not to secure the unit?

Heat won't escape that fast, and due to the heat retention will re-heat in

a short time. Also, don't you carry blankets?

What about units parked at the station, hospital, or DQ? Why do they need

to be left running?

What does your legal counsel say about the liability of someone driving

off and crashing an ambulance that was left running and unlocked?

Even though we have some lee-way in the law as emergency vehicles, we are

still held to the same standard as everyone else on the road. Civil juries

tend to have no sense of humor as well.

Food for thought,

Tater

Supervisor wrote:

“I’m sorry that the ambulance is cold Mrs. , but the Texas Motor

Vehicle Code requires us to turn the engine off.”

“Vance, you can stop compressions to start the engine.”

“I hope no one runs into our truck while it’s sitting in the middle of the

road with no lights on.”

I’ve got an idea. Leave your lights and your heater on while the engine is

not running. The motor vehicle code does not require you to shut down you

electrical systems. You can keep a pair of jumper cables with you. Then

when you get out to your truck and the battery is dead, you can boost it off

using a neighbor’s car.

Yes , I know it’s the law, but if you follow this line of thinking, you

probably think that the U.S. Government is responsible for 9/11, and not the

terrorists who committed the act. Whatever happened to personal

responsibility? Bad things happen because bad people do bad things, not

because good people give them opportunity.

(BTW, curbing the wheels and setting the brake do little to prevent theft)

Bullard BS, LP

Operations Manager

Lubbock Aid Ambulance

<http://www.lubbockambulance.com/> http://www.lubbockambulance.com

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of E. Tate

Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:03 PM

To:

Subject: Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

Teens face charges after stealing ambulance 09:28 AM CST on Monday,

January 9, 2006 WFAA-TV Two teens face charges this morning after

allegedly stealing an ambulance.

An Arlington ambulance crew was transferring a patient in Grand Prairie.

When they came out, their ambulance was gone.

Using GPS, police tracked it to Grapevine.

There were no patients inside the vehicle at the time it was stolen.

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaaa060109_lj

_ambulance.5e23f2a1.html

This happens several times a year. I would just like to remind everyone

of the following from the Texas Transportation Code.

§ 545.404. UNATTENDED MOTOR VEHICLE. An operator may

not leave the vehicle unattended without:

(1) stopping the engine;

(2) locking the ignition;

(3) removing the key from the ignition;

(4) setting the parking brake effectively; and

(5) if standing on a grade, turning the front wheels to

the curb or side of the highway.

E. Tate, LP

Whitehouse, Texas

What’s stopping you from joining EMSAT? http://www.TexasEMSAT.org

---------------------------------

Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover

Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it!

[Guest guest]

I am, by no means, opposed to locking up trucks when they are not in use. I

just find it somewhat unreasonable in the climate in which I work to expect

this to be done on every call. I am also aware of generators and AC-powered

climate control systems and the expense involved in obtaining them and

maintaining them. These systems are not always feasible for a small private

company. By the way, we have had an ambulance stolen (See Plainview Daily

Herald article 2/11/04,

http://www.myplainview.com/04/02112004_ambulance_chase.htm), and in this

case, as with most I’m sure, it was recovered very quickly.

Heat won't escape that fast, and due to the heat retention will re-heat in a

short time. Also, don't you carry blankets?

- Yes we carry blankets. Have you ever tried to conduct a

head-to-toe exam, start an I.V., initiate cardiac monitoring, and apply

bandaging and splinting materials without removing the blanket?

What about units parked at the station, hospital, or DQ? Why do they need

to be left running?

- I was taught years ago as a new EMT that it takes more fuel to

start a diesel than to leave it idling for 30 minutes. So leaving the truck

running is a simple matter of cost effective fuel use. Of the scenarios you

listed, it is not likely that the engine would need to be left running. Of

course, that would be why I didn’t use these scenarios in my witty, if not

somewhat sarcastic, introduction.

- What does your legal counsel say about the liability of someone

driving off and crashing an ambulance that was left running and unlocked?

If my legal counsel is Wes Ogilvie, he says we should have little, if any,

liability.

Bullard BS, LP

Operations Manager

Lubbock Aid Ambulance

<http://www.lubbockambulance.com/> http://www.lubbockambulance.com

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of E. Tate

Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:01 PM

To:

Subject: RE: Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

There are ways to secure the unit while still supplying power to heat / AC

and lights. Given that, is there any reason not to secure the unit?

Heat won't escape that fast, and due to the heat retention will re-heat in

a short time. Also, don't you carry blankets?

What about units parked at the station, hospital, or DQ? Why do they need

to be left running?

What does your legal counsel say about the liability of someone driving

off and crashing an ambulance that was left running and unlocked?

Even though we have some lee-way in the law as emergency vehicles, we are

still held to the same standard as everyone else on the road. Civil juries

tend to have no sense of humor as well.

Food for thought,

Tater

Supervisor wrote:

“I’m sorry that the ambulance is cold Mrs. , but the Texas Motor

Vehicle Code requires us to turn the engine off.”

“Vance, you can stop compressions to start the engine.”

“I hope no one runs into our truck while it’s sitting in the middle of the

road with no lights on.”

I’ve got an idea. Leave your lights and your heater on while the engine is

not running. The motor vehicle code does not require you to shut down you

electrical systems. You can keep a pair of jumper cables with you. Then

when you get out to your truck and the battery is dead, you can boost it off

using a neighbor’s car.

Yes , I know it’s the law, but if you follow this line of thinking, you

probably think that the U.S. Government is responsible for 9/11, and not the

terrorists who committed the act. Whatever happened to personal

responsibility? Bad things happen because bad people do bad things, not

because good people give them opportunity.

(BTW, curbing the wheels and setting the brake do little to prevent theft)

Bullard BS, LP

Operations Manager

Lubbock Aid Ambulance

<http://www.lubbockambulance.com/> http://www.lubbockambulance.com

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of E. Tate

Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:03 PM

To:

Subject: Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

Teens face charges after stealing ambulance 09:28 AM CST on Monday,

January 9, 2006 WFAA-TV Two teens face charges this morning after

allegedly stealing an ambulance.

An Arlington ambulance crew was transferring a patient in Grand Prairie.

When they came out, their ambulance was gone.

Using GPS, police tracked it to Grapevine.

There were no patients inside the vehicle at the time it was stolen.

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaaa060109_lj

_ambulance.5e23f2a1.html

This happens several times a year. I would just like to remind everyone

of the following from the Texas Transportation Code.

§ 545.404. UNATTENDED MOTOR VEHICLE. An operator may

not leave the vehicle unattended without:

(1) stopping the engine;

(2) locking the ignition;

(3) removing the key from the ignition;

(4) setting the parking brake effectively; and

(5) if standing on a grade, turning the front wheels to

the curb or side of the highway.

E. Tate, LP

Whitehouse, Texas

What’s stopping you from joining EMSAT? http://www.TexasEMSAT.org

---------------------------------

Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover

Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it!

[Guest guest]

I am, by no means, opposed to locking up trucks when they are not in use. I

just find it somewhat unreasonable in the climate in which I work to expect

this to be done on every call. I am also aware of generators and AC-powered

climate control systems and the expense involved in obtaining them and

maintaining them. These systems are not always feasible for a small private

company. By the way, we have had an ambulance stolen (See Plainview Daily

Herald article 2/11/04,

http://www.myplainview.com/04/02112004_ambulance_chase.htm), and in this

case, as with most I’m sure, it was recovered very quickly.

Heat won't escape that fast, and due to the heat retention will re-heat in a

short time. Also, don't you carry blankets?

- Yes we carry blankets. Have you ever tried to conduct a

head-to-toe exam, start an I.V., initiate cardiac monitoring, and apply

bandaging and splinting materials without removing the blanket?

What about units parked at the station, hospital, or DQ? Why do they need

to be left running?

- I was taught years ago as a new EMT that it takes more fuel to

start a diesel than to leave it idling for 30 minutes. So leaving the truck

running is a simple matter of cost effective fuel use. Of the scenarios you

listed, it is not likely that the engine would need to be left running. Of

course, that would be why I didn’t use these scenarios in my witty, if not

somewhat sarcastic, introduction.

- What does your legal counsel say about the liability of someone

driving off and crashing an ambulance that was left running and unlocked?

If my legal counsel is Wes Ogilvie, he says we should have little, if any,

liability.

Bullard BS, LP

Operations Manager

Lubbock Aid Ambulance

<http://www.lubbockambulance.com/> http://www.lubbockambulance.com

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of E. Tate

Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:01 PM

To:

Subject: RE: Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

There are ways to secure the unit while still supplying power to heat / AC

and lights. Given that, is there any reason not to secure the unit?

Heat won't escape that fast, and due to the heat retention will re-heat in

a short time. Also, don't you carry blankets?

What about units parked at the station, hospital, or DQ? Why do they need

to be left running?

What does your legal counsel say about the liability of someone driving

off and crashing an ambulance that was left running and unlocked?

Even though we have some lee-way in the law as emergency vehicles, we are

still held to the same standard as everyone else on the road. Civil juries

tend to have no sense of humor as well.

Food for thought,

Tater

Supervisor wrote:

“I’m sorry that the ambulance is cold Mrs. , but the Texas Motor

Vehicle Code requires us to turn the engine off.”

“Vance, you can stop compressions to start the engine.”

“I hope no one runs into our truck while it’s sitting in the middle of the

road with no lights on.”

I’ve got an idea. Leave your lights and your heater on while the engine is

not running. The motor vehicle code does not require you to shut down you

electrical systems. You can keep a pair of jumper cables with you. Then

when you get out to your truck and the battery is dead, you can boost it off

using a neighbor’s car.

Yes , I know it’s the law, but if you follow this line of thinking, you

probably think that the U.S. Government is responsible for 9/11, and not the

terrorists who committed the act. Whatever happened to personal

responsibility? Bad things happen because bad people do bad things, not

because good people give them opportunity.

(BTW, curbing the wheels and setting the brake do little to prevent theft)

Bullard BS, LP

Operations Manager

Lubbock Aid Ambulance

<http://www.lubbockambulance.com/> http://www.lubbockambulance.com

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of E. Tate

Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:03 PM

To:

Subject: Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

Teens face charges after stealing ambulance 09:28 AM CST on Monday,

January 9, 2006 WFAA-TV Two teens face charges this morning after

allegedly stealing an ambulance.

An Arlington ambulance crew was transferring a patient in Grand Prairie.

When they came out, their ambulance was gone.

Using GPS, police tracked it to Grapevine.

There were no patients inside the vehicle at the time it was stolen.

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaaa060109_lj

_ambulance.5e23f2a1.html

This happens several times a year. I would just like to remind everyone

of the following from the Texas Transportation Code.

§ 545.404. UNATTENDED MOTOR VEHICLE. An operator may

not leave the vehicle unattended without:

(1) stopping the engine;

(2) locking the ignition;

(3) removing the key from the ignition;

(4) setting the parking brake effectively; and

(5) if standing on a grade, turning the front wheels to

the curb or side of the highway.

E. Tate, LP

Whitehouse, Texas

What’s stopping you from joining EMSAT? http://www.TexasEMSAT.org

---------------------------------

Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover

Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it!

[Guest guest]

Just as a cautionary (and tongue-in-cheek) reminder, I have not been retained as

counsel by ANY member of this list. However, if the price is right....

-Wes

Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

Teens face charges after stealing ambulance 09:28 AM CST on Monday,

January 9, 2006 WFAA-TV Two teens face charges this morning after

allegedly stealing an ambulance.

An Arlington ambulance crew was transferring a patient in Grand Prairie.

When they came out, their ambulance was gone.

Using GPS, police tracked it to Grapevine.

There were no patients inside the vehicle at the time it was stolen.

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaaa060109_lj

_ambulance.5e23f2a1.html

This happens several times a year. I would just like to remind everyone

of the following from the Texas Transportation Code.

§ 545.404. UNATTENDED MOTOR VEHICLE. An operator may

not leave the vehicle unattended without:

(1) stopping the engine;

(2) locking the ignition;

(3) removing the key from the ignition;

(4) setting the parking brake effectively; and

(5) if standing on a grade, turning the front wheels to

the curb or side of the highway.

E. Tate, LP

Whitehouse, Texas

What's stopping you from joining EMSAT? http://www.TexasEMSAT.org

---------------------------------

Yahoo! Photos - Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover

Photo Books. You design it and we'll bind it!

[Guest guest]

" Supervisor " <supervisor@l...> wrote:

>

> I am, by no means, opposed to locking up trucks when they are not in

use. I

> just find it somewhat unreasonable in the climate in which I work to

expect

> this to be done on every call.

What has the climate got to do with whether or not you lock up your

truck? And why would you lock it only when not in use? Why not lock

it when it's in use? Never presented a problem to me or my partners.

Rob