RE: Teens face charges after stealing ambulance - Arlington / Grand Prairie

[Guest guest]

" Supervisor " <supervisor@l...> wrote:

>

> I am, by no means, opposed to locking up trucks when they are not in

use. I

> just find it somewhat unreasonable in the climate in which I work to

expect

> this to be done on every call.

What has the climate got to do with whether or not you lock up your

truck? And why would you lock it only when not in use? Why not lock

it when it's in use? Never presented a problem to me or my partners.

Rob

[Guest guest]

Semantics? Perhaps; I've honestly never looked at the TTC as a whole to

see how much it covers. But for the sake of this particular discussion,

546.001 does not exempt EV operators from the requirements regarding

stopping engines and/or securing vehicles.

Good question Rob; I'll look into it more. Thanks!

Randell

Re: Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

" Randell Pitts " <agfltmedic@y...> wrote:

>

> No Wes, emergency vehicles are not exempt from most traffic laws;

there

> are only four (4) types of permissible conduct, according to the

> Transportation Code 546.001:

Randell, it seems to me that those four types of permissible conduct

DO exempt you from most applicable traffic laws. Do they not? Are we

only quibbling semantics?

Rob

[Guest guest]

Semantics aside, this is a scenario repeated thousands of times a

year by EMS crews. Leaving the truck either running, or the keys in

the ignition.

Anyone that has spent time on the street, and not behind a desk would

concede that they have, and probably still do it.

I came to a conclusion recently that some people are educated far

beyond their potential, which in short implies that people don't

exercise common sense. Is this subject a unique situation that

requires a long and involved conversation about law, and the TTC?

Or is it just something that " EVERYONE " does and will continue to do

in the future?

If we are going to argue semantics about the technical law, why don't

we argue that using a vehicle radio, or operating the siren COULD

constitute a distraction for the driver, and hence be TECHNICALLY

illegal. And before someone responds " your partner should be

operating all of those! " Your partner is in the back attending to a

patient if you are running code to a hospital.

Can we talk about something more pertinent than this? I thought this

was an educated group that discussed issues that would maybe make a

real differance in our profession.

Have a great day

> This happens several times a year. I would just like to remind

everyone of the following from the Texas Transportation Code.

>

>

> § 545.404. UNATTENDED MOTOR VEHICLE. An operator may

> not leave the vehicle unattended without:

> (1) stopping the

engine;

> (2) locking the

ignition;

> (3) removing the key from the

ignition;

> (4) setting the parking brake effectively;

and

> (5) if standing on a grade, turning the front wheels to

> the curb or side of the highway.

>

>

>

> E. Tate, LP

> Whitehouse, Texas

>

> What's stopping you from joining EMSAT? http://www.TexasEMSAT.org

>

> ---------------------------------

> Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover

> Photo Books. You design it and we'll bind it!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Semantics aside, this is a scenario repeated thousands of times a

year by EMS crews. Leaving the truck either running, or the keys in

the ignition.

Anyone that has spent time on the street, and not behind a desk would

concede that they have, and probably still do it.

I came to a conclusion recently that some people are educated far

beyond their potential, which in short implies that people don't

exercise common sense. Is this subject a unique situation that

requires a long and involved conversation about law, and the TTC?

Or is it just something that " EVERYONE " does and will continue to do

in the future?

If we are going to argue semantics about the technical law, why don't

we argue that using a vehicle radio, or operating the siren COULD

constitute a distraction for the driver, and hence be TECHNICALLY

illegal. And before someone responds " your partner should be

operating all of those! " Your partner is in the back attending to a

patient if you are running code to a hospital.

Can we talk about something more pertinent than this? I thought this

was an educated group that discussed issues that would maybe make a

real differance in our profession.

Have a great day

> This happens several times a year. I would just like to remind

everyone of the following from the Texas Transportation Code.

>

>

> § 545.404. UNATTENDED MOTOR VEHICLE. An operator may

> not leave the vehicle unattended without:

> (1) stopping the

engine;

> (2) locking the

ignition;

> (3) removing the key from the

ignition;

> (4) setting the parking brake effectively;

and

> (5) if standing on a grade, turning the front wheels to

> the curb or side of the highway.

>

>

>

> E. Tate, LP

> Whitehouse, Texas

>

> What's stopping you from joining EMSAT? http://www.TexasEMSAT.org

>

> ---------------------------------

> Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover

> Photo Books. You design it and we'll bind it!

>

>

[Guest guest]

I offer that this IS pertinent to our list. I would think that

adherence to traffic laws, or the lack thereof, would have a direct

impact. Discussing the same may, in fact, make a real difference in our

profession.

We have quite a diverse membership on this list, all the way from

well-known authors, to neophytes, to the average shmuck (me). If, in

review, someone reads the statutes regarding emergency vehicle operation

and then changes the way they drive their ambulance, thereby somehow

preventing an incident/accident, did that not make a real difference in

our profession? Perhaps not in the same way a “trick of the trade”, or

ACLS revisions might, but definitely to that person, their partner(s),

and their respective families. I am sure that the negative press and

attention EMS receives from incidents or accidents involving ambulances

would make a difference- in a negative way. Recent national stories

involving EMS, some discussed here, attest to that very point.

Flame away- I need the tan.

Randell

Re: Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

Semantics aside, this is a scenario repeated thousands of times a

year by EMS crews. Leaving the truck either running, or the keys in

the ignition.

Anyone that has spent time on the street, and not behind a desk would

concede that they have, and probably still do it.

I came to a conclusion recently that some people are educated far

beyond their potential, which in short implies that people don't

exercise common sense. Is this subject a unique situation that

requires a long and involved conversation about law, and the TTC?

Or is it just something that " EVERYONE " does and will continue to do

in the future?

If we are going to argue semantics about the technical law, why don't

we argue that using a vehicle radio, or operating the siren COULD

constitute a distraction for the driver, and hence be TECHNICALLY

illegal. And before someone responds " your partner should be

operating all of those! " Your partner is in the back attending to a

patient if you are running code to a hospital.

Can we talk about something more pertinent than this? I thought this

was an educated group that discussed issues that would maybe make a

real differance in our profession.

Have a great day

> This happens several times a year. I would just like to remind

everyone of the following from the Texas Transportation Code.

>

>

> § 545.404. UNATTENDED MOTOR VEHICLE. An operator may

> not leave the vehicle unattended without:

> (1) stopping the

engine;

> (2) locking the

ignition;

> (3) removing the key from the

ignition;

> (4) setting the parking brake effectively;

and

> (5) if standing on a grade, turning the front wheels to

> the curb or side of the highway.

>

>

>

> E. Tate, LP

> Whitehouse, Texas

>

> What's stopping you from joining EMSAT? http://www.TexasEMSAT.org

>

> ---------------------------------

> Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover

> Photo Books. You design it and we'll bind it!

>

>

[Guest guest]

I offer that this IS pertinent to our list. I would think that

adherence to traffic laws, or the lack thereof, would have a direct

impact. Discussing the same may, in fact, make a real difference in our

profession.

We have quite a diverse membership on this list, all the way from

well-known authors, to neophytes, to the average shmuck (me). If, in

review, someone reads the statutes regarding emergency vehicle operation

and then changes the way they drive their ambulance, thereby somehow

preventing an incident/accident, did that not make a real difference in

our profession? Perhaps not in the same way a “trick of the trade”, or

ACLS revisions might, but definitely to that person, their partner(s),

and their respective families. I am sure that the negative press and

attention EMS receives from incidents or accidents involving ambulances

would make a difference- in a negative way. Recent national stories

involving EMS, some discussed here, attest to that very point.

Flame away- I need the tan.

Randell

Re: Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

Semantics aside, this is a scenario repeated thousands of times a

year by EMS crews. Leaving the truck either running, or the keys in

the ignition.

Anyone that has spent time on the street, and not behind a desk would

concede that they have, and probably still do it.

I came to a conclusion recently that some people are educated far

beyond their potential, which in short implies that people don't

exercise common sense. Is this subject a unique situation that

requires a long and involved conversation about law, and the TTC?

Or is it just something that " EVERYONE " does and will continue to do

in the future?

If we are going to argue semantics about the technical law, why don't

we argue that using a vehicle radio, or operating the siren COULD

constitute a distraction for the driver, and hence be TECHNICALLY

illegal. And before someone responds " your partner should be

operating all of those! " Your partner is in the back attending to a

patient if you are running code to a hospital.

Can we talk about something more pertinent than this? I thought this

was an educated group that discussed issues that would maybe make a

real differance in our profession.

Have a great day

> This happens several times a year. I would just like to remind

everyone of the following from the Texas Transportation Code.

>

>

> § 545.404. UNATTENDED MOTOR VEHICLE. An operator may

> not leave the vehicle unattended without:

> (1) stopping the

engine;

> (2) locking the

ignition;

> (3) removing the key from the

ignition;

> (4) setting the parking brake effectively;

and

> (5) if standing on a grade, turning the front wheels to

> the curb or side of the highway.

>

>

>

> E. Tate, LP

> Whitehouse, Texas

>

> What's stopping you from joining EMSAT? http://www.TexasEMSAT.org

>

> ---------------------------------

> Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover

> Photo Books. You design it and we'll bind it!

>

>

[Guest guest]

I offer that this IS pertinent to our list. I would think that

adherence to traffic laws, or the lack thereof, would have a direct

impact. Discussing the same may, in fact, make a real difference in our

profession.

We have quite a diverse membership on this list, all the way from

well-known authors, to neophytes, to the average shmuck (me). If, in

review, someone reads the statutes regarding emergency vehicle operation

and then changes the way they drive their ambulance, thereby somehow

preventing an incident/accident, did that not make a real difference in

our profession? Perhaps not in the same way a “trick of the trade”, or

ACLS revisions might, but definitely to that person, their partner(s),

and their respective families. I am sure that the negative press and

attention EMS receives from incidents or accidents involving ambulances

would make a difference- in a negative way. Recent national stories

involving EMS, some discussed here, attest to that very point.

Flame away- I need the tan.

Randell

Re: Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

Semantics aside, this is a scenario repeated thousands of times a

year by EMS crews. Leaving the truck either running, or the keys in

the ignition.

Anyone that has spent time on the street, and not behind a desk would

concede that they have, and probably still do it.

I came to a conclusion recently that some people are educated far

beyond their potential, which in short implies that people don't

exercise common sense. Is this subject a unique situation that

requires a long and involved conversation about law, and the TTC?

Or is it just something that " EVERYONE " does and will continue to do

in the future?

If we are going to argue semantics about the technical law, why don't

we argue that using a vehicle radio, or operating the siren COULD

constitute a distraction for the driver, and hence be TECHNICALLY

illegal. And before someone responds " your partner should be

operating all of those! " Your partner is in the back attending to a

patient if you are running code to a hospital.

Can we talk about something more pertinent than this? I thought this

was an educated group that discussed issues that would maybe make a

real differance in our profession.

Have a great day

> This happens several times a year. I would just like to remind

everyone of the following from the Texas Transportation Code.

>

>

> § 545.404. UNATTENDED MOTOR VEHICLE. An operator may

> not leave the vehicle unattended without:

> (1) stopping the

engine;

> (2) locking the

ignition;

> (3) removing the key from the

ignition;

> (4) setting the parking brake effectively;

and

> (5) if standing on a grade, turning the front wheels to

> the curb or side of the highway.

>

>

>

> E. Tate, LP

> Whitehouse, Texas

>

> What's stopping you from joining EMSAT? http://www.TexasEMSAT.org

>

> ---------------------------------

> Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover

> Photo Books. You design it and we'll bind it!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Randell,

I have to agree with you.

There are over 1500 members (210 are “bouncing messages”) on this list and of

those 30 are new since 01/01/06. Even though we had a discussion about “X” 6

months ago, the newest members might learn from, or shed additional light on the

matter. Also the lurkers that have been here since the inception might shed

some light on the matter as well.

We all assume (and know in some cases) that the highest members of most EMS

organizations are lurkers here. Why don’t they interject their thoughts and

ideas into the mix as well? We say that one of the problems in EMS is lack of

leadership education, why don’t the leaders of today (other than those few of

you that post) come out of the shadows and help us solve this dilemma?

Some of the “old hands” or schmucks as you called us need to encourage

participation from the neophytes. I would love to get the perspective of more

people, on the list than the few regular posters.

I remember being new to the list (well before Yahoo) and not wanting to post

for fear of saying something wrong. I think I’ve gotten over that fear now (I’m

still wrong from time to time, but ain’t skeered no more).

Happy reading and posting,

E. Tate, LP

Whitehouse, Texas

Randell Pitts wrote:

I offer that this IS pertinent to our list. I would think that

adherence to traffic laws, or the lack thereof, would have a direct

impact. Discussing the same may, in fact, make a real difference in our

profession.

We have quite a diverse membership on this list, all the way from

well-known authors, to neophytes, to the average shmuck (me). If, in

review, someone reads the statutes regarding emergency vehicle operation

and then changes the way they drive their ambulance, thereby somehow

preventing an incident/accident, did that not make a real difference in

our profession? Perhaps not in the same way a “trick of the trade”, or

ACLS revisions might, but definitely to that person, their partner(s),

and their respective families. I am sure that the negative press and

attention EMS receives from incidents or accidents involving ambulances

would make a difference- in a negative way. Recent national stories

involving EMS, some discussed here, attest to that very point.

Flame away- I need the tan.

Randell

Re: Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

Semantics aside, this is a scenario repeated thousands of times a

year by EMS crews. Leaving the truck either running, or the keys in

the ignition.

Anyone that has spent time on the street, and not behind a desk would

concede that they have, and probably still do it.

I came to a conclusion recently that some people are educated far

beyond their potential, which in short implies that people don't

exercise common sense. Is this subject a unique situation that

requires a long and involved conversation about law, and the TTC?

Or is it just something that " EVERYONE " does and will continue to do

in the future?

If we are going to argue semantics about the technical law, why don't

we argue that using a vehicle radio, or operating the siren COULD

constitute a distraction for the driver, and hence be TECHNICALLY

illegal. And before someone responds " your partner should be

operating all of those! " Your partner is in the back attending to a

patient if you are running code to a hospital.

Can we talk about something more pertinent than this? I thought this

was an educated group that discussed issues that would maybe make a

real differance in our profession.

Have a great day

> This happens several times a year. I would just like to remind

everyone of the following from the Texas Transportation Code.

>

>

> § 545.404. UNATTENDED MOTOR VEHICLE. An operator may

> not leave the vehicle unattended without:

> (1) stopping the

engine;

> (2) locking the

ignition;

> (3) removing the key from the

ignition;

> (4) setting the parking brake effectively;

and

> (5) if standing on a grade, turning the front wheels to

> the curb or side of the highway.

>

>

>

> E. Tate, LP

> Whitehouse, Texas

>

> What's stopping you from joining EMSAT? http://www.TexasEMSAT.org

>

> ---------------------------------

> Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover

> Photo Books. You design it and we'll bind it!

>

>

[Guest guest]

We did for a while, but it turned out to be quite an inconvenience. **BUT**

I am really interested in the device I heard Arlington was using that allows

you to take the keys while the engine is running. I have contacted

Arlington regarding this device. Does anyone know what it is called or how

I can get more info?

Bullard BS, LP

Operations Manager

Lubbock Aid Ambulance

<http://www.lubbockambulance.com/> http://www.lubbockambulance.com

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of E. Tate

Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:29 PM

To:

Subject: RE: Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

" According to Ehler, owner and manager of Lubbock Aid Ambulance, it

is standard procedure to leave the vehicle running, however, the driver

should have locked the door. "

Do your medics lock the doors now?

Supervisor wrote:

I am, by no means, opposed to locking up trucks when they are not in use.

I

just find it somewhat unreasonable in the climate in which I work to expect

this to be done on every call. I am also aware of generators and AC-powered

climate control systems and the expense involved in obtaining them and

maintaining them. These systems are not always feasible for a small private

company. By the way, we have had an ambulance stolen (See Plainview Daily

Herald article 2/11/04,

http://www.myplainview.com/04/02112004_ambulance_chase.htm), and in this

case, as with most I’m sure, it was recovered very quickly.

Heat won't escape that fast, and due to the heat retention will re-heat in a

short time. Also, don't you carry blankets?

- Yes we carry blankets. Have you ever tried to conduct a

head-to-toe exam, start an I.V., initiate cardiac monitoring, and apply

bandaging and splinting materials without removing the blanket?

What about units parked at the station, hospital, or DQ? Why do they need

to be left running?

- I was taught years ago as a new EMT that it takes more fuel to

start a diesel than to leave it idling for 30 minutes. So leaving the truck

running is a simple matter of cost effective fuel use. Of the scenarios you

listed, it is not likely that the engine would need to be left running. Of

course, that would be why I didn’t use these scenarios in my witty, if not

somewhat sarcastic, introduction.

- What does your legal counsel say about the liability of someone

driving off and crashing an ambulance that was left running and unlocked?

If my legal counsel is Wes Ogilvie, he says we should have little, if any,

liability.

Bullard BS, LP

Operations Manager

Lubbock Aid Ambulance

<http://www.lubbockambulance.com/> http://www.lubbockambulance.com

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of E. Tate

Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:01 PM

To:

Subject: RE: Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

There are ways to secure the unit while still supplying power to heat / AC

and lights. Given that, is there any reason not to secure the unit?

Heat won't escape that fast, and due to the heat retention will re-heat in

a short time. Also, don't you carry blankets?

What about units parked at the station, hospital, or DQ? Why do they need

to be left running?

What does your legal counsel say about the liability of someone driving

off and crashing an ambulance that was left running and unlocked?

Even though we have some lee-way in the law as emergency vehicles, we are

still held to the same standard as everyone else on the road. Civil juries

tend to have no sense of humor as well.

Food for thought,

Tater

Supervisor wrote:

“I’m sorry that the ambulance is cold Mrs. , but the Texas Motor

Vehicle Code requires us to turn the engine off.”

“Vance, you can stop compressions to start the engine.”

“I hope no one runs into our truck while it’s sitting in the middle of the

road with no lights on.”

I’ve got an idea. Leave your lights and your heater on while the engine is

not running. The motor vehicle code does not require you to shut down you

electrical systems. You can keep a pair of jumper cables with you. Then

when you get out to your truck and the battery is dead, you can boost it off

using a neighbor’s car.

Yes , I know it’s the law, but if you follow this line of thinking, you

probably think that the U.S. Government is responsible for 9/11, and not the

terrorists who committed the act. Whatever happened to personal

responsibility? Bad things happen because bad people do bad things, not

because good people give them opportunity.

(BTW, curbing the wheels and setting the brake do little to prevent theft)

Bullard BS, LP

Operations Manager

Lubbock Aid Ambulance

<http://www.lubbockambulance.com/> http://www.lubbockambulance.com

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of E. Tate

Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:03 PM

To:

Subject: Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

Teens face charges after stealing ambulance 09:28 AM CST on Monday,

January 9, 2006 WFAA-TV Two teens face charges this morning after

allegedly stealing an ambulance.

An Arlington ambulance crew was transferring a patient in Grand Prairie.

When they came out, their ambulance was gone.

Using GPS, police tracked it to Grapevine.

There were no patients inside the vehicle at the time it was stolen.

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaaa060109_lj

_ambulance.5e23f2a1.html

This happens several times a year. I would just like to remind everyone

of the following from the Texas Transportation Code.

§ 545.404. UNATTENDED MOTOR VEHICLE. An operator may

not leave the vehicle unattended without:

(1) stopping the engine;

(2) locking the ignition;

(3) removing the key from the ignition;

(4) setting the parking brake effectively; and

(5) if standing on a grade, turning the front wheels to

the curb or side of the highway.

E. Tate, LP

Whitehouse, Texas

What’s stopping you from joining EMSAT? http://www.TexasEMSAT.org

---------------------------------

Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover

Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it!

[Guest guest]

We did for a while, but it turned out to be quite an inconvenience. **BUT**

I am really interested in the device I heard Arlington was using that allows

you to take the keys while the engine is running. I have contacted

Arlington regarding this device. Does anyone know what it is called or how

I can get more info?

Bullard BS, LP

Operations Manager

Lubbock Aid Ambulance

<http://www.lubbockambulance.com/> http://www.lubbockambulance.com

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of E. Tate

Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:29 PM

To:

Subject: RE: Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

" According to Ehler, owner and manager of Lubbock Aid Ambulance, it

is standard procedure to leave the vehicle running, however, the driver

should have locked the door. "

Do your medics lock the doors now?

Supervisor wrote:

I am, by no means, opposed to locking up trucks when they are not in use.

I

just find it somewhat unreasonable in the climate in which I work to expect

this to be done on every call. I am also aware of generators and AC-powered

climate control systems and the expense involved in obtaining them and

maintaining them. These systems are not always feasible for a small private

company. By the way, we have had an ambulance stolen (See Plainview Daily

Herald article 2/11/04,

http://www.myplainview.com/04/02112004_ambulance_chase.htm), and in this

case, as with most I’m sure, it was recovered very quickly.

Heat won't escape that fast, and due to the heat retention will re-heat in a

short time. Also, don't you carry blankets?

- Yes we carry blankets. Have you ever tried to conduct a

head-to-toe exam, start an I.V., initiate cardiac monitoring, and apply

bandaging and splinting materials without removing the blanket?

What about units parked at the station, hospital, or DQ? Why do they need

to be left running?

- I was taught years ago as a new EMT that it takes more fuel to

start a diesel than to leave it idling for 30 minutes. So leaving the truck

running is a simple matter of cost effective fuel use. Of the scenarios you

listed, it is not likely that the engine would need to be left running. Of

course, that would be why I didn’t use these scenarios in my witty, if not

somewhat sarcastic, introduction.

- What does your legal counsel say about the liability of someone

driving off and crashing an ambulance that was left running and unlocked?

If my legal counsel is Wes Ogilvie, he says we should have little, if any,

liability.

Bullard BS, LP

Operations Manager

Lubbock Aid Ambulance

<http://www.lubbockambulance.com/> http://www.lubbockambulance.com

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of E. Tate

Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:01 PM

To:

Subject: RE: Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

There are ways to secure the unit while still supplying power to heat / AC

and lights. Given that, is there any reason not to secure the unit?

Heat won't escape that fast, and due to the heat retention will re-heat in

a short time. Also, don't you carry blankets?

What about units parked at the station, hospital, or DQ? Why do they need

to be left running?

What does your legal counsel say about the liability of someone driving

off and crashing an ambulance that was left running and unlocked?

Even though we have some lee-way in the law as emergency vehicles, we are

still held to the same standard as everyone else on the road. Civil juries

tend to have no sense of humor as well.

Food for thought,

Tater

Supervisor wrote:

“I’m sorry that the ambulance is cold Mrs. , but the Texas Motor

Vehicle Code requires us to turn the engine off.”

“Vance, you can stop compressions to start the engine.”

“I hope no one runs into our truck while it’s sitting in the middle of the

road with no lights on.”

I’ve got an idea. Leave your lights and your heater on while the engine is

not running. The motor vehicle code does not require you to shut down you

electrical systems. You can keep a pair of jumper cables with you. Then

when you get out to your truck and the battery is dead, you can boost it off

using a neighbor’s car.

Yes , I know it’s the law, but if you follow this line of thinking, you

probably think that the U.S. Government is responsible for 9/11, and not the

terrorists who committed the act. Whatever happened to personal

responsibility? Bad things happen because bad people do bad things, not

because good people give them opportunity.

(BTW, curbing the wheels and setting the brake do little to prevent theft)

Bullard BS, LP

Operations Manager

Lubbock Aid Ambulance

<http://www.lubbockambulance.com/> http://www.lubbockambulance.com

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of E. Tate

Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:03 PM

To:

Subject: Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

Teens face charges after stealing ambulance 09:28 AM CST on Monday,

January 9, 2006 WFAA-TV Two teens face charges this morning after

allegedly stealing an ambulance.

An Arlington ambulance crew was transferring a patient in Grand Prairie.

When they came out, their ambulance was gone.

Using GPS, police tracked it to Grapevine.

There were no patients inside the vehicle at the time it was stolen.

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaaa060109_lj

_ambulance.5e23f2a1.html

This happens several times a year. I would just like to remind everyone

of the following from the Texas Transportation Code.

§ 545.404. UNATTENDED MOTOR VEHICLE. An operator may

not leave the vehicle unattended without:

(1) stopping the engine;

(2) locking the ignition;

(3) removing the key from the ignition;

(4) setting the parking brake effectively; and

(5) if standing on a grade, turning the front wheels to

the curb or side of the highway.

E. Tate, LP

Whitehouse, Texas

What’s stopping you from joining EMSAT? http://www.TexasEMSAT.org

---------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

Don't many of the vehicle manufacturers offer a key less remote starting

feature?

Tater

Supervisor wrote:

We did for a while, but it turned out to be quite an inconvenience. **BUT**

I am really interested in the device I heard Arlington was using that allows

you to take the keys while the engine is running. I have contacted

Arlington regarding this device. Does anyone know what it is called or how

I can get more info?

Bullard BS, LP

Operations Manager

Lubbock Aid Ambulance

<http://www.lubbockambulance.com/> http://www.lubbockambulance.com

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of E. Tate

Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:29 PM

To:

Subject: RE: Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

" According to Ehler, owner and manager of Lubbock Aid Ambulance, it

is standard procedure to leave the vehicle running, however, the driver

should have locked the door. "

Do your medics lock the doors now?

Supervisor wrote:

I am, by no means, opposed to locking up trucks when they are not in use.

I

just find it somewhat unreasonable in the climate in which I work to expect

this to be done on every call. I am also aware of generators and AC-powered

climate control systems and the expense involved in obtaining them and

maintaining them. These systems are not always feasible for a small private

company. By the way, we have had an ambulance stolen (See Plainview Daily

Herald article 2/11/04,

http://www.myplainview.com/04/02112004_ambulance_chase.htm), and in this

case, as with most I’m sure, it was recovered very quickly.

Heat won't escape that fast, and due to the heat retention will re-heat in a

short time. Also, don't you carry blankets?

- Yes we carry blankets. Have you ever tried to conduct a

head-to-toe exam, start an I.V., initiate cardiac monitoring, and apply

bandaging and splinting materials without removing the blanket?

What about units parked at the station, hospital, or DQ? Why do they need

to be left running?

- I was taught years ago as a new EMT that it takes more fuel to

start a diesel than to leave it idling for 30 minutes. So leaving the truck

running is a simple matter of cost effective fuel use. Of the scenarios you

listed, it is not likely that the engine would need to be left running. Of

course, that would be why I didn’t use these scenarios in my witty, if not

somewhat sarcastic, introduction.

- What does your legal counsel say about the liability of someone

driving off and crashing an ambulance that was left running and unlocked?

If my legal counsel is Wes Ogilvie, he says we should have little, if any,

liability.

Bullard BS, LP

Operations Manager

Lubbock Aid Ambulance

<http://www.lubbockambulance.com/> http://www.lubbockambulance.com

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of E. Tate

Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:01 PM

To:

Subject: RE: Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

There are ways to secure the unit while still supplying power to heat / AC

and lights. Given that, is there any reason not to secure the unit?

Heat won't escape that fast, and due to the heat retention will re-heat in

a short time. Also, don't you carry blankets?

What about units parked at the station, hospital, or DQ? Why do they need

to be left running?

What does your legal counsel say about the liability of someone driving

off and crashing an ambulance that was left running and unlocked?

Even though we have some lee-way in the law as emergency vehicles, we are

still held to the same standard as everyone else on the road. Civil juries

tend to have no sense of humor as well.

Food for thought,

Tater

Supervisor wrote:

“I’m sorry that the ambulance is cold Mrs. , but the Texas Motor

Vehicle Code requires us to turn the engine off.”

“Vance, you can stop compressions to start the engine.”

“I hope no one runs into our truck while it’s sitting in the middle of the

road with no lights on.”

I’ve got an idea. Leave your lights and your heater on while the engine is

not running. The motor vehicle code does not require you to shut down you

electrical systems. You can keep a pair of jumper cables with you. Then

when you get out to your truck and the battery is dead, you can boost it off

using a neighbor’s car.

Yes , I know it’s the law, but if you follow this line of thinking, you

probably think that the U.S. Government is responsible for 9/11, and not the

terrorists who committed the act. Whatever happened to personal

responsibility? Bad things happen because bad people do bad things, not

because good people give them opportunity.

(BTW, curbing the wheels and setting the brake do little to prevent theft)

Bullard BS, LP

Operations Manager

Lubbock Aid Ambulance

<http://www.lubbockambulance.com/> http://www.lubbockambulance.com

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of E. Tate

Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:03 PM

To:

Subject: Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

Teens face charges after stealing ambulance 09:28 AM CST on Monday,

January 9, 2006 WFAA-TV Two teens face charges this morning after

allegedly stealing an ambulance.

An Arlington ambulance crew was transferring a patient in Grand Prairie.

When they came out, their ambulance was gone.

Using GPS, police tracked it to Grapevine.

There were no patients inside the vehicle at the time it was stolen.

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaaa060109_lj

_ambulance.5e23f2a1.html

This happens several times a year. I would just like to remind everyone

of the following from the Texas Transportation Code.

§ 545.404. UNATTENDED MOTOR VEHICLE. An operator may

not leave the vehicle unattended without:

(1) stopping the engine;

(2) locking the ignition;

(3) removing the key from the ignition;

(4) setting the parking brake effectively; and

(5) if standing on a grade, turning the front wheels to

the curb or side of the highway.

E. Tate, LP

Whitehouse, Texas

What’s stopping you from joining EMSAT? http://www.TexasEMSAT.org

---------------------------------

Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover

Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it!

[Guest guest]

Don't many of the vehicle manufacturers offer a key less remote starting

feature?

Tater

Supervisor wrote:

We did for a while, but it turned out to be quite an inconvenience. **BUT**

I am really interested in the device I heard Arlington was using that allows

you to take the keys while the engine is running. I have contacted

Arlington regarding this device. Does anyone know what it is called or how

I can get more info?

Bullard BS, LP

Operations Manager

Lubbock Aid Ambulance

<http://www.lubbockambulance.com/> http://www.lubbockambulance.com

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of E. Tate

Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:29 PM

To:

Subject: RE: Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

" According to Ehler, owner and manager of Lubbock Aid Ambulance, it

is standard procedure to leave the vehicle running, however, the driver

should have locked the door. "

Do your medics lock the doors now?

Supervisor wrote:

I am, by no means, opposed to locking up trucks when they are not in use.

I

just find it somewhat unreasonable in the climate in which I work to expect

this to be done on every call. I am also aware of generators and AC-powered

climate control systems and the expense involved in obtaining them and

maintaining them. These systems are not always feasible for a small private

company. By the way, we have had an ambulance stolen (See Plainview Daily

Herald article 2/11/04,

http://www.myplainview.com/04/02112004_ambulance_chase.htm), and in this

case, as with most I’m sure, it was recovered very quickly.

Heat won't escape that fast, and due to the heat retention will re-heat in a

short time. Also, don't you carry blankets?

- Yes we carry blankets. Have you ever tried to conduct a

head-to-toe exam, start an I.V., initiate cardiac monitoring, and apply

bandaging and splinting materials without removing the blanket?

What about units parked at the station, hospital, or DQ? Why do they need

to be left running?

- I was taught years ago as a new EMT that it takes more fuel to

start a diesel than to leave it idling for 30 minutes. So leaving the truck

running is a simple matter of cost effective fuel use. Of the scenarios you

listed, it is not likely that the engine would need to be left running. Of

course, that would be why I didn’t use these scenarios in my witty, if not

somewhat sarcastic, introduction.

- What does your legal counsel say about the liability of someone

driving off and crashing an ambulance that was left running and unlocked?

If my legal counsel is Wes Ogilvie, he says we should have little, if any,

liability.

Bullard BS, LP

Operations Manager

Lubbock Aid Ambulance

<http://www.lubbockambulance.com/> http://www.lubbockambulance.com

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of E. Tate

Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:01 PM

To:

Subject: RE: Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

There are ways to secure the unit while still supplying power to heat / AC

and lights. Given that, is there any reason not to secure the unit?

Heat won't escape that fast, and due to the heat retention will re-heat in

a short time. Also, don't you carry blankets?

What about units parked at the station, hospital, or DQ? Why do they need

to be left running?

What does your legal counsel say about the liability of someone driving

off and crashing an ambulance that was left running and unlocked?

Even though we have some lee-way in the law as emergency vehicles, we are

still held to the same standard as everyone else on the road. Civil juries

tend to have no sense of humor as well.

Food for thought,

Tater

Supervisor wrote:

“I’m sorry that the ambulance is cold Mrs. , but the Texas Motor

Vehicle Code requires us to turn the engine off.”

“Vance, you can stop compressions to start the engine.”

“I hope no one runs into our truck while it’s sitting in the middle of the

road with no lights on.”

I’ve got an idea. Leave your lights and your heater on while the engine is

not running. The motor vehicle code does not require you to shut down you

electrical systems. You can keep a pair of jumper cables with you. Then

when you get out to your truck and the battery is dead, you can boost it off

using a neighbor’s car.

Yes , I know it’s the law, but if you follow this line of thinking, you

probably think that the U.S. Government is responsible for 9/11, and not the

terrorists who committed the act. Whatever happened to personal

responsibility? Bad things happen because bad people do bad things, not

because good people give them opportunity.

(BTW, curbing the wheels and setting the brake do little to prevent theft)

Bullard BS, LP

Operations Manager

Lubbock Aid Ambulance

<http://www.lubbockambulance.com/> http://www.lubbockambulance.com

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of E. Tate

Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:03 PM

To:

Subject: Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

Teens face charges after stealing ambulance 09:28 AM CST on Monday,

January 9, 2006 WFAA-TV Two teens face charges this morning after

allegedly stealing an ambulance.

An Arlington ambulance crew was transferring a patient in Grand Prairie.

When they came out, their ambulance was gone.

Using GPS, police tracked it to Grapevine.

There were no patients inside the vehicle at the time it was stolen.

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaaa060109_lj

_ambulance.5e23f2a1.html

This happens several times a year. I would just like to remind everyone

of the following from the Texas Transportation Code.

§ 545.404. UNATTENDED MOTOR VEHICLE. An operator may

not leave the vehicle unattended without:

(1) stopping the engine;

(2) locking the ignition;

(3) removing the key from the ignition;

(4) setting the parking brake effectively; and

(5) if standing on a grade, turning the front wheels to

the curb or side of the highway.

E. Tate, LP

Whitehouse, Texas

What’s stopping you from joining EMSAT? http://www.TexasEMSAT.org

---------------------------------

Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover

Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it!

[Guest guest]

Don't many of the vehicle manufacturers offer a key less remote starting

feature?

Tater

Supervisor wrote:

We did for a while, but it turned out to be quite an inconvenience. **BUT**

I am really interested in the device I heard Arlington was using that allows

you to take the keys while the engine is running. I have contacted

Arlington regarding this device. Does anyone know what it is called or how

I can get more info?

Bullard BS, LP

Operations Manager

Lubbock Aid Ambulance

<http://www.lubbockambulance.com/> http://www.lubbockambulance.com

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of E. Tate

Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:29 PM

To:

Subject: RE: Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

" According to Ehler, owner and manager of Lubbock Aid Ambulance, it

is standard procedure to leave the vehicle running, however, the driver

should have locked the door. "

Do your medics lock the doors now?

Supervisor wrote:

I am, by no means, opposed to locking up trucks when they are not in use.

I

just find it somewhat unreasonable in the climate in which I work to expect

this to be done on every call. I am also aware of generators and AC-powered

climate control systems and the expense involved in obtaining them and

maintaining them. These systems are not always feasible for a small private

company. By the way, we have had an ambulance stolen (See Plainview Daily

Herald article 2/11/04,

http://www.myplainview.com/04/02112004_ambulance_chase.htm), and in this

case, as with most I’m sure, it was recovered very quickly.

Heat won't escape that fast, and due to the heat retention will re-heat in a

short time. Also, don't you carry blankets?

- Yes we carry blankets. Have you ever tried to conduct a

head-to-toe exam, start an I.V., initiate cardiac monitoring, and apply

bandaging and splinting materials without removing the blanket?

What about units parked at the station, hospital, or DQ? Why do they need

to be left running?

- I was taught years ago as a new EMT that it takes more fuel to

start a diesel than to leave it idling for 30 minutes. So leaving the truck

running is a simple matter of cost effective fuel use. Of the scenarios you

listed, it is not likely that the engine would need to be left running. Of

course, that would be why I didn’t use these scenarios in my witty, if not

somewhat sarcastic, introduction.

- What does your legal counsel say about the liability of someone

driving off and crashing an ambulance that was left running and unlocked?

If my legal counsel is Wes Ogilvie, he says we should have little, if any,

liability.

Bullard BS, LP

Operations Manager

Lubbock Aid Ambulance

<http://www.lubbockambulance.com/> http://www.lubbockambulance.com

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of E. Tate

Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:01 PM

To:

Subject: RE: Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

There are ways to secure the unit while still supplying power to heat / AC

and lights. Given that, is there any reason not to secure the unit?

Heat won't escape that fast, and due to the heat retention will re-heat in

a short time. Also, don't you carry blankets?

What about units parked at the station, hospital, or DQ? Why do they need

to be left running?

What does your legal counsel say about the liability of someone driving

off and crashing an ambulance that was left running and unlocked?

Even though we have some lee-way in the law as emergency vehicles, we are

still held to the same standard as everyone else on the road. Civil juries

tend to have no sense of humor as well.

Food for thought,

Tater

Supervisor wrote:

“I’m sorry that the ambulance is cold Mrs. , but the Texas Motor

Vehicle Code requires us to turn the engine off.”

“Vance, you can stop compressions to start the engine.”

“I hope no one runs into our truck while it’s sitting in the middle of the

road with no lights on.”

I’ve got an idea. Leave your lights and your heater on while the engine is

not running. The motor vehicle code does not require you to shut down you

electrical systems. You can keep a pair of jumper cables with you. Then

when you get out to your truck and the battery is dead, you can boost it off

using a neighbor’s car.

Yes , I know it’s the law, but if you follow this line of thinking, you

probably think that the U.S. Government is responsible for 9/11, and not the

terrorists who committed the act. Whatever happened to personal

responsibility? Bad things happen because bad people do bad things, not

because good people give them opportunity.

(BTW, curbing the wheels and setting the brake do little to prevent theft)

Bullard BS, LP

Operations Manager

Lubbock Aid Ambulance

<http://www.lubbockambulance.com/> http://www.lubbockambulance.com

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of E. Tate

Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:03 PM

To:

Subject: Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

Teens face charges after stealing ambulance 09:28 AM CST on Monday,

January 9, 2006 WFAA-TV Two teens face charges this morning after

allegedly stealing an ambulance.

An Arlington ambulance crew was transferring a patient in Grand Prairie.

When they came out, their ambulance was gone.

Using GPS, police tracked it to Grapevine.

There were no patients inside the vehicle at the time it was stolen.

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaaa060109_lj

_ambulance.5e23f2a1.html

This happens several times a year. I would just like to remind everyone

of the following from the Texas Transportation Code.

§ 545.404. UNATTENDED MOTOR VEHICLE. An operator may

not leave the vehicle unattended without:

(1) stopping the engine;

(2) locking the ignition;

(3) removing the key from the ignition;

(4) setting the parking brake effectively; and

(5) if standing on a grade, turning the front wheels to

the curb or side of the highway.

E. Tate, LP

Whitehouse, Texas

What’s stopping you from joining EMSAT? http://www.TexasEMSAT.org

---------------------------------

Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover

Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it!

[Guest guest]

AMR uses it, but the system I have seen is not good.

A friend I know that is an installer says that they

have been having problems with it. I do not know what

kind. But he reccommended the system that DPS uses.

He says it costs about $150/vehicle.

Sal

--- Supervisor

wrote:

> We did for a while, but it turned out to be quite an

> inconvenience. **BUT**

> I am really interested in the device I heard

> Arlington was using that allows

> you to take the keys while the engine is running. I

> have contacted

> Arlington regarding this device. Does anyone know

> what it is called or how

> I can get more info?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Bullard BS, LP

>

> Operations Manager

>

> Lubbock Aid Ambulance

>

> <http://www.lubbockambulance.com/>

> http://www.lubbockambulance.com

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From:

> [mailto: ] On

> Behalf Of E. Tate

> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:29 PM

> To:

> Subject: RE: Teens face charges after

> stealing ambulance -

> Arlington / Grand Prairie

>

>

>

> " According to Ehler, owner and manager of

> Lubbock Aid Ambulance, it

> is standard procedure to leave the vehicle running,

> however, the driver

> should have locked the door. "

>

> Do your medics lock the doors now?

>

>

>

> Supervisor wrote:

> I am, by no means, opposed to locking up trucks

> when they are not in use.

> I

> just find it somewhat unreasonable in the climate in

> which I work to expect

> this to be done on every call. I am also aware of

> generators and AC-powered

> climate control systems and the expense involved in

> obtaining them and

> maintaining them. These systems are not always

> feasible for a small private

> company. By the way, we have had an ambulance

> stolen (See Plainview Daily

> Herald article 2/11/04,

>

http://www.myplainview.com/04/02112004_ambulance_chase.htm),

> and in this

> case, as with most I’m sure, it was recovered very

> quickly.

>

>

>

> Heat won't escape that fast, and due to the heat

> retention will re-heat in a

> short time. Also, don't you carry blankets?

>

> - Yes we carry blankets. Have you ever

> tried to conduct a

> head-to-toe exam, start an I.V., initiate cardiac

> monitoring, and apply

> bandaging and splinting materials without removing

> the blanket?

>

>

>

> What about units parked at the station, hospital, or

> DQ? Why do they need

> to be left running?

>

> - I was taught years ago as a new EMT that

> it takes more fuel to

> start a diesel than to leave it idling for 30

> minutes. So leaving the truck

> running is a simple matter of cost effective fuel

> use. Of the scenarios you

> listed, it is not likely that the engine would need

> to be left running. Of

> course, that would be why I didn’t use these

> scenarios in my witty, if not

> somewhat sarcastic, introduction.

>

>

>

> - What does your legal counsel say about

> the liability of someone

> driving off and crashing an ambulance that was left

> running and unlocked?

> If my legal counsel is Wes Ogilvie, he says we

> should have little, if any,

> liability.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Bullard BS, LP

>

> Operations Manager

>

> Lubbock Aid Ambulance

>

> <http://www.lubbockambulance.com/>

> http://www.lubbockambulance.com

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From:

> [mailto: ] On

> Behalf Of E. Tate

> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:01 PM

> To:

> Subject: RE: Teens face charges after

> stealing ambulance -

> Arlington / Grand Prairie

>

>

>

> There are ways to secure the unit while still

> supplying power to heat / AC

> and lights. Given that, is there any reason not to

> secure the unit?

>

> Heat won't escape that fast, and due to the heat

> retention will re-heat in

> a short time. Also, don't you carry blankets?

>

> What about units parked at the station, hospital,

> or DQ? Why do they need

> to be left running?

>

> What does your legal counsel say about the

> liability of someone driving

> off and crashing an ambulance that was left running

> and unlocked?

>

> Even though we have some lee-way in the law as

> emergency vehicles, we are

> still held to the same standard as everyone else on

> the road. Civil juries

> tend to have no sense of humor as well.

>

>

> Food for thought,

> Tater

>

> Supervisor wrote:

> “I’m sorry that the ambulance is cold Mrs. ,

> but the Texas Motor

> Vehicle Code requires us to turn the engine off.”

>

> “Vance, you can stop compressions to start the

> engine.”

>

> “I hope no one runs into our truck while it’s

> sitting in the middle of the

> road with no lights on.”

>

>

>

> I’ve got an idea. Leave your lights and your heater

> on while the engine is

> not running. The motor vehicle code does not

> require you to shut down you

> electrical systems. You can keep a pair of jumper

> cables with you. Then

> when you get out to your truck and the battery is

> dead, you can boost it off

> using a neighbor’s car.

>

>

>

> Yes , I know it’s the law, but if you follow

> this line of thinking, you

> probably think that the U.S. Government is

> responsible for 9/11, and not the

>

=== message truncated ===

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

AMR uses it, but the system I have seen is not good.

A friend I know that is an installer says that they

have been having problems with it. I do not know what

kind. But he reccommended the system that DPS uses.

He says it costs about $150/vehicle.

Sal

--- Supervisor

wrote:

> We did for a while, but it turned out to be quite an

> inconvenience. **BUT**

> I am really interested in the device I heard

> Arlington was using that allows

> you to take the keys while the engine is running. I

> have contacted

> Arlington regarding this device. Does anyone know

> what it is called or how

> I can get more info?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Bullard BS, LP

>

> Operations Manager

>

> Lubbock Aid Ambulance

>

> <http://www.lubbockambulance.com/>

> http://www.lubbockambulance.com

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From:

> [mailto: ] On

> Behalf Of E. Tate

> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:29 PM

> To:

> Subject: RE: Teens face charges after

> stealing ambulance -

> Arlington / Grand Prairie

>

>

>

> " According to Ehler, owner and manager of

> Lubbock Aid Ambulance, it

> is standard procedure to leave the vehicle running,

> however, the driver

> should have locked the door. "

>

> Do your medics lock the doors now?

>

>

>

> Supervisor wrote:

> I am, by no means, opposed to locking up trucks

> when they are not in use.

> I

> just find it somewhat unreasonable in the climate in

> which I work to expect

> this to be done on every call. I am also aware of

> generators and AC-powered

> climate control systems and the expense involved in

> obtaining them and

> maintaining them. These systems are not always

> feasible for a small private

> company. By the way, we have had an ambulance

> stolen (See Plainview Daily

> Herald article 2/11/04,

>

http://www.myplainview.com/04/02112004_ambulance_chase.htm),

> and in this

> case, as with most I’m sure, it was recovered very

> quickly.

>

>

>

> Heat won't escape that fast, and due to the heat

> retention will re-heat in a

> short time. Also, don't you carry blankets?

>

> - Yes we carry blankets. Have you ever

> tried to conduct a

> head-to-toe exam, start an I.V., initiate cardiac

> monitoring, and apply

> bandaging and splinting materials without removing

> the blanket?

>

>

>

> What about units parked at the station, hospital, or

> DQ? Why do they need

> to be left running?

>

> - I was taught years ago as a new EMT that

> it takes more fuel to

> start a diesel than to leave it idling for 30

> minutes. So leaving the truck

> running is a simple matter of cost effective fuel

> use. Of the scenarios you

> listed, it is not likely that the engine would need

> to be left running. Of

> course, that would be why I didn’t use these

> scenarios in my witty, if not

> somewhat sarcastic, introduction.

>

>

>

> - What does your legal counsel say about

> the liability of someone

> driving off and crashing an ambulance that was left

> running and unlocked?

> If my legal counsel is Wes Ogilvie, he says we

> should have little, if any,

> liability.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Bullard BS, LP

>

> Operations Manager

>

> Lubbock Aid Ambulance

>

> <http://www.lubbockambulance.com/>

> http://www.lubbockambulance.com

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From:

> [mailto: ] On

> Behalf Of E. Tate

> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:01 PM

> To:

> Subject: RE: Teens face charges after

> stealing ambulance -

> Arlington / Grand Prairie

>

>

>

> There are ways to secure the unit while still

> supplying power to heat / AC

> and lights. Given that, is there any reason not to

> secure the unit?

>

> Heat won't escape that fast, and due to the heat

> retention will re-heat in

> a short time. Also, don't you carry blankets?

>

> What about units parked at the station, hospital,

> or DQ? Why do they need

> to be left running?

>

> What does your legal counsel say about the

> liability of someone driving

> off and crashing an ambulance that was left running

> and unlocked?

>

> Even though we have some lee-way in the law as

> emergency vehicles, we are

> still held to the same standard as everyone else on

> the road. Civil juries

> tend to have no sense of humor as well.

>

>

> Food for thought,

> Tater

>

> Supervisor wrote:

> “I’m sorry that the ambulance is cold Mrs. ,

> but the Texas Motor

> Vehicle Code requires us to turn the engine off.”

>

> “Vance, you can stop compressions to start the

> engine.”

>

> “I hope no one runs into our truck while it’s

> sitting in the middle of the

> road with no lights on.”

>

>

>

> I’ve got an idea. Leave your lights and your heater

> on while the engine is

> not running. The motor vehicle code does not

> require you to shut down you

> electrical systems. You can keep a pair of jumper

> cables with you. Then

> when you get out to your truck and the battery is

> dead, you can boost it off

> using a neighbor’s car.

>

>

>

> Yes , I know it’s the law, but if you follow

> this line of thinking, you

> probably think that the U.S. Government is

> responsible for 9/11, and not the

>

=== message truncated ===

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

AMR uses it, but the system I have seen is not good.

A friend I know that is an installer says that they

have been having problems with it. I do not know what

kind. But he reccommended the system that DPS uses.

He says it costs about $150/vehicle.

Sal

--- Supervisor

wrote:

> We did for a while, but it turned out to be quite an

> inconvenience. **BUT**

> I am really interested in the device I heard

> Arlington was using that allows

> you to take the keys while the engine is running. I

> have contacted

> Arlington regarding this device. Does anyone know

> what it is called or how

> I can get more info?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Bullard BS, LP

>

> Operations Manager

>

> Lubbock Aid Ambulance

>

> <http://www.lubbockambulance.com/>

> http://www.lubbockambulance.com

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From:

> [mailto: ] On

> Behalf Of E. Tate

> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:29 PM

> To:

> Subject: RE: Teens face charges after

> stealing ambulance -

> Arlington / Grand Prairie

>

>

>

> " According to Ehler, owner and manager of

> Lubbock Aid Ambulance, it

> is standard procedure to leave the vehicle running,

> however, the driver

> should have locked the door. "

>

> Do your medics lock the doors now?

>

>

>

> Supervisor wrote:

> I am, by no means, opposed to locking up trucks

> when they are not in use.

> I

> just find it somewhat unreasonable in the climate in

> which I work to expect

> this to be done on every call. I am also aware of

> generators and AC-powered

> climate control systems and the expense involved in

> obtaining them and

> maintaining them. These systems are not always

> feasible for a small private

> company. By the way, we have had an ambulance

> stolen (See Plainview Daily

> Herald article 2/11/04,

>

http://www.myplainview.com/04/02112004_ambulance_chase.htm),

> and in this

> case, as with most I’m sure, it was recovered very

> quickly.

>

>

>

> Heat won't escape that fast, and due to the heat

> retention will re-heat in a

> short time. Also, don't you carry blankets?

>

> - Yes we carry blankets. Have you ever

> tried to conduct a

> head-to-toe exam, start an I.V., initiate cardiac

> monitoring, and apply

> bandaging and splinting materials without removing

> the blanket?

>

>

>

> What about units parked at the station, hospital, or

> DQ? Why do they need

> to be left running?

>

> - I was taught years ago as a new EMT that

> it takes more fuel to

> start a diesel than to leave it idling for 30

> minutes. So leaving the truck

> running is a simple matter of cost effective fuel

> use. Of the scenarios you

> listed, it is not likely that the engine would need

> to be left running. Of

> course, that would be why I didn’t use these

> scenarios in my witty, if not

> somewhat sarcastic, introduction.

>

>

>

> - What does your legal counsel say about

> the liability of someone

> driving off and crashing an ambulance that was left

> running and unlocked?

> If my legal counsel is Wes Ogilvie, he says we

> should have little, if any,

> liability.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Bullard BS, LP

>

> Operations Manager

>

> Lubbock Aid Ambulance

>

> <http://www.lubbockambulance.com/>

> http://www.lubbockambulance.com

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From:

> [mailto: ] On

> Behalf Of E. Tate

> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:01 PM

> To:

> Subject: RE: Teens face charges after

> stealing ambulance -

> Arlington / Grand Prairie

>

>

>

> There are ways to secure the unit while still

> supplying power to heat / AC

> and lights. Given that, is there any reason not to

> secure the unit?

>

> Heat won't escape that fast, and due to the heat

> retention will re-heat in

> a short time. Also, don't you carry blankets?

>

> What about units parked at the station, hospital,

> or DQ? Why do they need

> to be left running?

>

> What does your legal counsel say about the

> liability of someone driving

> off and crashing an ambulance that was left running

> and unlocked?

>

> Even though we have some lee-way in the law as

> emergency vehicles, we are

> still held to the same standard as everyone else on

> the road. Civil juries

> tend to have no sense of humor as well.

>

>

> Food for thought,

> Tater

>

> Supervisor wrote:

> “I’m sorry that the ambulance is cold Mrs. ,

> but the Texas Motor

> Vehicle Code requires us to turn the engine off.”

>

> “Vance, you can stop compressions to start the

> engine.”

>

> “I hope no one runs into our truck while it’s

> sitting in the middle of the

> road with no lights on.”

>

>

>

> I’ve got an idea. Leave your lights and your heater

> on while the engine is

> not running. The motor vehicle code does not

> require you to shut down you

> electrical systems. You can keep a pair of jumper

> cables with you. Then

> when you get out to your truck and the battery is

> dead, you can boost it off

> using a neighbor’s car.

>

>

>

> Yes , I know it’s the law, but if you follow

> this line of thinking, you

> probably think that the U.S. Government is

> responsible for 9/11, and not the

>

=== message truncated ===

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

AMR uses it, but the system I have seen is not good.

A friend I know that is an installer says that they

have been having problems with it. I do not know what

kind. But he reccommended the system that DPS uses.

Sal

--- Supervisor

wrote:

> We did for a while, but it turned out to be quite an

> inconvenience. **BUT**

> I am really interested in the device I heard

> Arlington was using that allows

> you to take the keys while the engine is running. I

> have contacted

> Arlington regarding this device. Does anyone know

> what it is called or how

> I can get more info?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Bullard BS, LP

>

> Operations Manager

>

> Lubbock Aid Ambulance

>

> <http://www.lubbockambulance.com/>

> http://www.lubbockambulance.com

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From:

> [mailto: ] On

> Behalf Of E. Tate

> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:29 PM

> To:

> Subject: RE: Teens face charges after

> stealing ambulance -

> Arlington / Grand Prairie

>

>

>

> " According to Ehler, owner and manager of

> Lubbock Aid Ambulance, it

> is standard procedure to leave the vehicle running,

> however, the driver

> should have locked the door. "

>

> Do your medics lock the doors now?

>

>

>

> Supervisor wrote:

> I am, by no means, opposed to locking up trucks

> when they are not in use.

> I

> just find it somewhat unreasonable in the climate in

> which I work to expect

> this to be done on every call. I am also aware of

> generators and AC-powered

> climate control systems and the expense involved in

> obtaining them and

> maintaining them. These systems are not always

> feasible for a small private

> company. By the way, we have had an ambulance

> stolen (See Plainview Daily

> Herald article 2/11/04,

>

http://www.myplainview.com/04/02112004_ambulance_chase.htm),

> and in this

> case, as with most I’m sure, it was recovered very

> quickly.

>

>

>

> Heat won't escape that fast, and due to the heat

> retention will re-heat in a

> short time. Also, don't you carry blankets?

>

> - Yes we carry blankets. Have you ever

> tried to conduct a

> head-to-toe exam, start an I.V., initiate cardiac

> monitoring, and apply

> bandaging and splinting materials without removing

> the blanket?

>

>

>

> What about units parked at the station, hospital, or

> DQ? Why do they need

> to be left running?

>

> - I was taught years ago as a new EMT that

> it takes more fuel to

> start a diesel than to leave it idling for 30

> minutes. So leaving the truck

> running is a simple matter of cost effective fuel

> use. Of the scenarios you

> listed, it is not likely that the engine would need

> to be left running. Of

> course, that would be why I didn’t use these

> scenarios in my witty, if not

> somewhat sarcastic, introduction.

>

>

>

> - What does your legal counsel say about

> the liability of someone

> driving off and crashing an ambulance that was left

> running and unlocked?

> If my legal counsel is Wes Ogilvie, he says we

> should have little, if any,

> liability.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Bullard BS, LP

>

> Operations Manager

>

> Lubbock Aid Ambulance

>

> <http://www.lubbockambulance.com/>

> http://www.lubbockambulance.com

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From:

> [mailto: ] On

> Behalf Of E. Tate

> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:01 PM

> To:

> Subject: RE: Teens face charges after

> stealing ambulance -

> Arlington / Grand Prairie

>

>

>

> There are ways to secure the unit while still

> supplying power to heat / AC

> and lights. Given that, is there any reason not to

> secure the unit?

>

> Heat won't escape that fast, and due to the heat

> retention will re-heat in

> a short time. Also, don't you carry blankets?

>

> What about units parked at the station, hospital,

> or DQ? Why do they need

> to be left running?

>

> What does your legal counsel say about the

> liability of someone driving

> off and crashing an ambulance that was left running

> and unlocked?

>

> Even though we have some lee-way in the law as

> emergency vehicles, we are

> still held to the same standard as everyone else on

> the road. Civil juries

> tend to have no sense of humor as well.

>

>

> Food for thought,

> Tater

>

> Supervisor wrote:

> “I’m sorry that the ambulance is cold Mrs. ,

> but the Texas Motor

> Vehicle Code requires us to turn the engine off.”

>

> “Vance, you can stop compressions to start the

> engine.”

>

> “I hope no one runs into our truck while it’s

> sitting in the middle of the

> road with no lights on.”

>

>

>

> I’ve got an idea. Leave your lights and your heater

> on while the engine is

> not running. The motor vehicle code does not

> require you to shut down you

> electrical systems. You can keep a pair of jumper

> cables with you. Then

> when you get out to your truck and the battery is

> dead, you can boost it off

> using a neighbor’s car.

>

>

>

> Yes , I know it’s the law, but if you follow

> this line of thinking, you

> probably think that the U.S. Government is

> responsible for 9/11, and not the

>

=== message truncated ===

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Apologies to all- I don't know why I didn't think of this before, but.

What I do at another work location is I carry 2 sets of keys- one to run

the vehicle, and another to access it; I lock the vehicle if I leave it

running and step out.

Randell

RE: Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

AMR uses it, but the system I have seen is not good.

A friend I know that is an installer says that they

have been having problems with it. I do not know what

kind. But he reccommended the system that DPS uses.

Sa

[Guest guest]

Apologies to all- I don't know why I didn't think of this before, but.

What I do at another work location is I carry 2 sets of keys- one to run

the vehicle, and another to access it; I lock the vehicle if I leave it

running and step out.

Randell

RE: Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

AMR uses it, but the system I have seen is not good.

A friend I know that is an installer says that they

have been having problems with it. I do not know what

kind. But he reccommended the system that DPS uses.

Sa

[Guest guest]

Apologies to all- I don't know why I didn't think of this before, but.

What I do at another work location is I carry 2 sets of keys- one to run

the vehicle, and another to access it; I lock the vehicle if I leave it

running and step out.

Randell

RE: Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

AMR uses it, but the system I have seen is not good.

A friend I know that is an installer says that they

have been having problems with it. I do not know what

kind. But he reccommended the system that DPS uses.

Sa

[Guest guest]

This beats nothing......but a broken window and.........away the Bambulance goes

with some lunitic behind the wheel.... (wait what changed here....)

Randell Pitts wrote:

Apologies to all- I don't know why I didn't think of this before, but.

What I do at another work location is I carry 2 sets of keys- one to run

the vehicle, and another to access it; I lock the vehicle if I leave it

running and step out.

Randell

RE: Teens face charges after stealing ambulance -

Arlington / Grand Prairie

AMR uses it, but the system I have seen is not good.

A friend I know that is an installer says that they

have been having problems with it. I do not know what

kind. But he reccommended the system that DPS uses.

Sa

[Guest guest]

And then all I have to do is break the window and

guess what... I still drive away with your ambulance.

With the AMR system if you step on the brakes it turns

off. With the DPS system you simply cannot shift out

of gear unless you know where the switch is.

Sal

--- Randell Pitts wrote:

> Apologies to all- I don't know why I didn't think of

> this before, but.

>

> What I do at another work location is I carry 2 sets

> of keys- one to run

> the vehicle, and another to access it; I lock the

> vehicle if I leave it

> running and step out.

>

> Randell

>

> RE: Teens face charges after

> stealing ambulance -

> Arlington / Grand Prairie

>

> AMR uses it, but the system I have seen is not good.

>

> A friend I know that is an installer says that they

> have been having problems with it. I do not know

> what

> kind. But he reccommended the system that DPS uses.

> Sa

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

And then all I have to do is break the window and

guess what... I still drive away with your ambulance.

With the AMR system if you step on the brakes it turns

off. With the DPS system you simply cannot shift out

of gear unless you know where the switch is.

Sal

--- Randell Pitts wrote:

> Apologies to all- I don't know why I didn't think of

> this before, but.

>

> What I do at another work location is I carry 2 sets

> of keys- one to run

> the vehicle, and another to access it; I lock the

> vehicle if I leave it

> running and step out.

>

> Randell

>

> RE: Teens face charges after

> stealing ambulance -

> Arlington / Grand Prairie

>

> AMR uses it, but the system I have seen is not good.

>

> A friend I know that is an installer says that they

> have been having problems with it. I do not know

> what

> kind. But he reccommended the system that DPS uses.

> Sa

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

And then all I have to do is break the window and

guess what... I still drive away with your ambulance.

With the AMR system if you step on the brakes it turns

off. With the DPS system you simply cannot shift out

of gear unless you know where the switch is.

Sal

--- Randell Pitts wrote:

> Apologies to all- I don't know why I didn't think of

> this before, but.

>

> What I do at another work location is I carry 2 sets

> of keys- one to run

> the vehicle, and another to access it; I lock the

> vehicle if I leave it

> running and step out.

>

> Randell

>

> RE: Teens face charges after

> stealing ambulance -

> Arlington / Grand Prairie

>

> AMR uses it, but the system I have seen is not good.

>

> A friend I know that is an installer says that they

> have been having problems with it. I do not know

> what

> kind. But he reccommended the system that DPS uses.

> Sa

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

>

>