Re: Re: diet mentality

[Guest guest]

Trying to distinguish between External and INternal cues. My doctors(EXternal) say I have to lose weight to get my liver enzymes down, there is no medication except some vitamin E.  Yet the Liver itself produces(INternal) most of our cholesterol as I understand it, and it has very little to do with diet. How do I know which is EXternal or INternal? Anyone with good info on this?  I have to go out now and will look this up again later.  Sandy

 

My hackles raise when I read phrases like 'eat clean and healthy' (not anger to you Tilley - just in general). What the heck IS 'clean and healthy'?!? Or perhaps I ought to say - this moment's definition . . .

I find this such an EXternal 'leash jerk' - that interested parties (diet industry and its minions) use to keep us trained pets jumping through the hoops of their choices. Grrr.

Let's face it 'food' has more levels of meaning these days than ever in man's past. It is near impossible to know the 'health' level of most of what we eat. Even 'organic' raised items can be done on depleted soils thus lack trace elements that might be found in un-organically raised items. Processing, out-of-season and/or long term stored fruits/veggies and discovery of how corn has been over used in many 'levels' of feeding to where meat has a distinct 'corn signature', all challenge our ability to obtain 'healthy' food choices.

We can't all have a garden out back nor a barn with own meat production on foot. But as limited as our bodies are for such definitive judgments as to what is 'healthy' or not, I really don't believe that any lab can 'focus' in on A item or element and make a blanket judgment from isolated (and often DIRECTED) study producing A conclusion.

I feel that about the best thing I can do for myself is to supply as varied an input of foods as I can from which my body can then balance its needs. I also default to my body to 'hint' at what it desires for INternal balancing purposes.

(Phew! off soap box now ;-))

Katcha

IEing since March 2007

PS I am not 'anti-expert', just wish that those who truly are sincere in their assistance would more strongly examine the sources they work from a bit more deeply. Time to pull the curtain back Toto ;-)

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> It seems so wrong that our desire to " eat clean and healthy "

> " leads to a backlash of " bad " eating. In a perfect world, our ability to recognize that we are eating foods that aren't good for us would lead us to better eating, not worse. It seems so twisted somehow, but it must be true. I totally sympathize. It doesn't seem fair at all. So many people have such real needs to eat well, but it so doesn't work to simply do it. I wonder if one were a completely intuitive eater if it would be. If one developed a gluten intolerance or needed to eliminate high glycemic foods that one could simply do it, because one had never felt deprived, and had always taken care of oneself......

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> And that's what it's all about, isn't it--taking care of ourselves.....sigh....

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> Please let us know how the next couple of days go......(I am feeling similarly too).

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> Tilley

[Guest guest]

Katcha, exactly. I was talking about eating "clean and healthy" originally and I did put the term in parentheticals. The complexity of food really is mind-boggling, from soil condition to the hundreds of thousands of chemicals and micronutrients in a piece of broccoli for instance. And then, we have to consider the effect of all those nutrients reacting and working with each other. Scientists who have isolated specific compounds or nutrients have often found that the effect outside of the food itself is disappointing. Yet, the race continues to find that "super" compound. All of us who used to listen with bated breath as one day tomatoes were pronounced a miracle food and the next day were said to contain nothing that nutritious, are sick of it. Tomatoes are good. Eat them if you like them, otherwise there are other vegetables and fruits to eat. How simple is

that?MimiSubject: Re: diet mentalityTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Friday, November 18, 2011, 11:43 AM

My hackles raise when I read phrases like 'eat clean and healthy' (not anger to you Tilley - just in general). What the heck IS 'clean and healthy'?!? Or perhaps I ought to say - this moment's definition . . .

I find this such an EXternal 'leash jerk' - that interested parties (diet industry and its minions) use to keep us trained pets jumping through the hoops of their choices. Grrr.

Let's face it 'food' has more levels of meaning these days than ever in man's past. It is near impossible to know the 'health' level of most of what we eat. Even 'organic' raised items can be done on depleted soils thus lack trace elements that might be found in un-organically raised items. Processing, out-of-season and/or long term stored fruits/veggies and discovery of how corn has been over used in many 'levels' of feeding to where meat has a distinct 'corn signature', all challenge our ability to obtain 'healthy' food choices.

We can't all have a garden out back nor a barn with own meat production on foot. But as limited as our bodies are for such definitive judgments as to what is 'healthy' or not, I really don't believe that any lab can 'focus' in on A item or element and make a blanket judgment from isolated (and often DIRECTED) study producing A conclusion.

I feel that about the best thing I can do for myself is to supply as varied an input of foods as I can from which my body can then balance its needs. I also default to my body to 'hint' at what it desires for INternal balancing purposes.

(Phew! off soap box now ;-))

Katcha

IEing since March 2007

PS I am not 'anti-expert', just wish that those who truly are sincere in their assistance would more strongly examine the sources they work from a bit more deeply. Time to pull the curtain back Toto ;-)

[Guest guest]

Katcha, exactly. I was talking about eating "clean and healthy" originally and I did put the term in parentheticals. The complexity of food really is mind-boggling, from soil condition to the hundreds of thousands of chemicals and micronutrients in a piece of broccoli for instance. And then, we have to consider the effect of all those nutrients reacting and working with each other. Scientists who have isolated specific compounds or nutrients have often found that the effect outside of the food itself is disappointing. Yet, the race continues to find that "super" compound. All of us who used to listen with bated breath as one day tomatoes were pronounced a miracle food and the next day were said to contain nothing that nutritious, are sick of it. Tomatoes are good. Eat them if you like them, otherwise there are other vegetables and fruits to eat. How simple is

that?MimiSubject: Re: diet mentalityTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Friday, November 18, 2011, 11:43 AM

My hackles raise when I read phrases like 'eat clean and healthy' (not anger to you Tilley - just in general). What the heck IS 'clean and healthy'?!? Or perhaps I ought to say - this moment's definition . . .

I find this such an EXternal 'leash jerk' - that interested parties (diet industry and its minions) use to keep us trained pets jumping through the hoops of their choices. Grrr.

Let's face it 'food' has more levels of meaning these days than ever in man's past. It is near impossible to know the 'health' level of most of what we eat. Even 'organic' raised items can be done on depleted soils thus lack trace elements that might be found in un-organically raised items. Processing, out-of-season and/or long term stored fruits/veggies and discovery of how corn has been over used in many 'levels' of feeding to where meat has a distinct 'corn signature', all challenge our ability to obtain 'healthy' food choices.

We can't all have a garden out back nor a barn with own meat production on foot. But as limited as our bodies are for such definitive judgments as to what is 'healthy' or not, I really don't believe that any lab can 'focus' in on A item or element and make a blanket judgment from isolated (and often DIRECTED) study producing A conclusion.

I feel that about the best thing I can do for myself is to supply as varied an input of foods as I can from which my body can then balance its needs. I also default to my body to 'hint' at what it desires for INternal balancing purposes.

(Phew! off soap box now ;-))

Katcha

IEing since March 2007

PS I am not 'anti-expert', just wish that those who truly are sincere in their assistance would more strongly examine the sources they work from a bit more deeply. Time to pull the curtain back Toto ;-)