Guest guest Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 Sandy, I have found that dieting is such a huge and strong factor in our current world that its hard to totally avoid it. I can so sympathize with what is happening with you at this moment, I've had my 'lapses' too. At least these times are usually brief and not as strong an influence as they used to be for me. In fact for the most part I am able to recognize such an attack quickly, spit in its eyes and re-grasp any part of IE that I can manage to pull me out of that sucking pit. You seem to be doing pretty dang good considering your additional liver requirements. On a lesser scale I have that rebellion with gluten eating too. I am so comfortable and enjoy eating (taste/texture) the old familiar baked items I love making. Yet the tummy bloat, heartburn and so guilt that strikes - after an hour or so - is an unpleasant reminder of why eating this item isn't such a great idea. Sigh, its is all about choices that 'honor' my body, but seems like my taste buds and memory continues to drive the show more than my digestive system. The good news is that I slowly am finding alternatives that I am happy with and hope these will help me to go gluten free® without feeling that I am (trying to) deceive myself for the rotten old shoulds. GOOD JOB for sharing! I hope your writing has relieved and also clarified your struggle at this moment. Its also difficult to not expect a bit of 'perfection' to raise its ugly head now and then, especially when one has been working at IE for some time (as you have been doing well). I know I sometimes feel - why can't I just HAVE IE and not have to (constantly) work at it?!? I usually find that I've been working too hard 'at' it and just need to relax and let it be what it is at that moment. Death to diet demons!!! LOL LOL ehugs, Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > The diet mentality and all that goes with it is raising its ugly head. The food police, the rebel, etc. Really feeling depressed today and not sure what is going on. I had a good time with my friend on a 3 day vacation. We got back Tuesday and I was following IE well without judgement enjoying different foods and allowing for unusual situations. But found I got full fast and did not overeat. I was not hungry that often but we ate when we were. My friend is " back on his diet " and I think I felt threatened by that. He has always been able to watch what he eats and resist eating anything that would up his cholesterol(he has a carotid artery issue). He can lose and gain a pound or 2 very easily. I am, on the other hand, always struggling and I have put some foods back on the forbidden list. That happened since my diagnosis of fatty liver disease and learning which foods do not honor my liver situation. I have ended up putting those foods in the forbidden category, usually the ones I love and crave. I was actually doing well before the trip and excited about trying lots of new foods and recipes. Today I am angry and resentful at having to give up the foods I love. So I have come back to diet mentality. I have to remind myself it is a journey, but I feel like I MUST lose weight and lower my liver enzymes. I have another lab test on the 30th. Perhaps that is what is driving this stress. There is no medication for liver disease, only diet/restricting fat and sugar intake. So it is up to me and what I eat. Sorry this is so long. Just had to vent. Sandy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 Sandy, I have found that dieting is such a huge and strong factor in our current world that its hard to totally avoid it. I can so sympathize with what is happening with you at this moment, I've had my 'lapses' too. At least these times are usually brief and not as strong an influence as they used to be for me. In fact for the most part I am able to recognize such an attack quickly, spit in its eyes and re-grasp any part of IE that I can manage to pull me out of that sucking pit. You seem to be doing pretty dang good considering your additional liver requirements. On a lesser scale I have that rebellion with gluten eating too. I am so comfortable and enjoy eating (taste/texture) the old familiar baked items I love making. Yet the tummy bloat, heartburn and so guilt that strikes - after an hour or so - is an unpleasant reminder of why eating this item isn't such a great idea. Sigh, its is all about choices that 'honor' my body, but seems like my taste buds and memory continues to drive the show more than my digestive system. The good news is that I slowly am finding alternatives that I am happy with and hope these will help me to go gluten free® without feeling that I am (trying to) deceive myself for the rotten old shoulds. GOOD JOB for sharing! I hope your writing has relieved and also clarified your struggle at this moment. Its also difficult to not expect a bit of 'perfection' to raise its ugly head now and then, especially when one has been working at IE for some time (as you have been doing well). I know I sometimes feel - why can't I just HAVE IE and not have to (constantly) work at it?!? I usually find that I've been working too hard 'at' it and just need to relax and let it be what it is at that moment. Death to diet demons!!! LOL LOL ehugs, Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > The diet mentality and all that goes with it is raising its ugly head. The food police, the rebel, etc. Really feeling depressed today and not sure what is going on. I had a good time with my friend on a 3 day vacation. We got back Tuesday and I was following IE well without judgement enjoying different foods and allowing for unusual situations. But found I got full fast and did not overeat. I was not hungry that often but we ate when we were. My friend is " back on his diet " and I think I felt threatened by that. He has always been able to watch what he eats and resist eating anything that would up his cholesterol(he has a carotid artery issue). He can lose and gain a pound or 2 very easily. I am, on the other hand, always struggling and I have put some foods back on the forbidden list. That happened since my diagnosis of fatty liver disease and learning which foods do not honor my liver situation. I have ended up putting those foods in the forbidden category, usually the ones I love and crave. I was actually doing well before the trip and excited about trying lots of new foods and recipes. Today I am angry and resentful at having to give up the foods I love. So I have come back to diet mentality. I have to remind myself it is a journey, but I feel like I MUST lose weight and lower my liver enzymes. I have another lab test on the 30th. Perhaps that is what is driving this stress. There is no medication for liver disease, only diet/restricting fat and sugar intake. So it is up to me and what I eat. Sorry this is so long. Just had to vent. Sandy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 Sandy, I have found that dieting is such a huge and strong factor in our current world that its hard to totally avoid it. I can so sympathize with what is happening with you at this moment, I've had my 'lapses' too. At least these times are usually brief and not as strong an influence as they used to be for me. In fact for the most part I am able to recognize such an attack quickly, spit in its eyes and re-grasp any part of IE that I can manage to pull me out of that sucking pit. You seem to be doing pretty dang good considering your additional liver requirements. On a lesser scale I have that rebellion with gluten eating too. I am so comfortable and enjoy eating (taste/texture) the old familiar baked items I love making. Yet the tummy bloat, heartburn and so guilt that strikes - after an hour or so - is an unpleasant reminder of why eating this item isn't such a great idea. Sigh, its is all about choices that 'honor' my body, but seems like my taste buds and memory continues to drive the show more than my digestive system. The good news is that I slowly am finding alternatives that I am happy with and hope these will help me to go gluten free® without feeling that I am (trying to) deceive myself for the rotten old shoulds. GOOD JOB for sharing! I hope your writing has relieved and also clarified your struggle at this moment. Its also difficult to not expect a bit of 'perfection' to raise its ugly head now and then, especially when one has been working at IE for some time (as you have been doing well). I know I sometimes feel - why can't I just HAVE IE and not have to (constantly) work at it?!? I usually find that I've been working too hard 'at' it and just need to relax and let it be what it is at that moment. Death to diet demons!!! LOL LOL ehugs, Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > The diet mentality and all that goes with it is raising its ugly head. The food police, the rebel, etc. Really feeling depressed today and not sure what is going on. I had a good time with my friend on a 3 day vacation. We got back Tuesday and I was following IE well without judgement enjoying different foods and allowing for unusual situations. But found I got full fast and did not overeat. I was not hungry that often but we ate when we were. My friend is " back on his diet " and I think I felt threatened by that. He has always been able to watch what he eats and resist eating anything that would up his cholesterol(he has a carotid artery issue). He can lose and gain a pound or 2 very easily. I am, on the other hand, always struggling and I have put some foods back on the forbidden list. That happened since my diagnosis of fatty liver disease and learning which foods do not honor my liver situation. I have ended up putting those foods in the forbidden category, usually the ones I love and crave. I was actually doing well before the trip and excited about trying lots of new foods and recipes. Today I am angry and resentful at having to give up the foods I love. So I have come back to diet mentality. I have to remind myself it is a journey, but I feel like I MUST lose weight and lower my liver enzymes. I have another lab test on the 30th. Perhaps that is what is driving this stress. There is no medication for liver disease, only diet/restricting fat and sugar intake. So it is up to me and what I eat. Sorry this is so long. Just had to vent. Sandy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 Sandy, I sympathize and understand. I think you are right that the pressure of upcoming lab tests could be triggering your diet mentality, as well as your vacation which could be making you feel like you need to "make up" for eating the foods you wanted. How many times have we resolved to diet after a vacation, or the holidays, or after eating large amounts of forbidden foods? It's almost a reflex for many of us. I think it would be kind to recognize and accept that you feel angry about the need to restrict due to your diagnosis. Then remind yourself that you are trying to do what is best for your body, not punishing yourself for being bad or for gaining weight, etc. Take it slow and ease back into IE without recrimination or guilt. You are doing great. I have also been feeling the need to restrict lately. ly, my pants are getting tight and I have been overeating (probably due to the threat of restriction in the future). Yesterday, after I had most of a bag of sour candy, I got really fed up with myself. I started thinking, "I'm going to stop eating this crap. I'm getting fat." I'm still kind of in that mode. Today is the 3-year anniversary of my cancer diagnosis and I am feeling the need to "really start eating clean and healthy." All this pressure and negative self-talk. So, I am trying to remind myself that dieting creates binges and not healthy eating, that I can honor my body and be satisfied with my food at the same time, that I need to take it slow and steady and really listen to my body instead of all the voices. Hoping everyone is being kind to themselves today. Mimi Subject: Re: diet mentalityTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Thursday, November 17, 2011, 11:06 AM Sandy, I have found that dieting is such a huge and strong factor in our current world that its hard to totally avoid it. I can so sympathize with what is happening with you at this moment, I've had my 'lapses' too. At least these times are usually brief and not as strong an influence as they used to be for me. In fact for the most part I am able to recognize such an attack quickly, spit in its eyes and re-grasp any part of IE that I can manage to pull me out of that sucking pit. You seem to be doing pretty dang good considering your additional liver requirements. On a lesser scale I have that rebellion with gluten eating too. I am so comfortable and enjoy eating (taste/texture) the old familiar baked items I love making. Yet the tummy bloat, heartburn and so guilt that strikes - after an hour or so - is an unpleasant reminder of why eating this item isn't such a great idea. Sigh, its is all about choices that 'honor' my body, but seems like my taste buds and memory continues to drive the show more than my digestive system. The good news is that I slowly am finding alternatives that I am happy with and hope these will help me to go gluten free® without feeling that I am (trying to) deceive myself for the rotten old shoulds.GOOD JOB for sharing! I hope your writing has relieved and also clarified your struggle at this moment. Its also difficult to not expect a bit of 'perfection' to raise its ugly head now and then, especially when one has been working at IE for some time (as you have been doing well). I know I sometimes feel - why can't I just HAVE IE and not have to (constantly) work at it?!? I usually find that I've been working too hard 'at' it and just need to relax and let it be what it is at that moment. Death to diet demons!!! LOL LOLehugs, KatchaIEing since March 2007>> The diet mentality and all that goes with it is raising its ugly head. The food police, the rebel, etc. Really feeling depressed today and not sure what is going on. I had a good time with my friend on a 3 day vacation. We got back Tuesday and I was following IE well without judgement enjoying different foods and allowing for unusual situations. But found I got full fast and did not overeat. I was not hungry that often but we ate when we were. My friend is "back on his diet" and I think I felt threatened by that. He has always been able to watch what he eats and resist eating anything that would up his cholesterol(he has a carotid artery issue). He can lose and gain a pound or 2 very easily. I am, on the other hand, always struggling and I have put some foods back on the forbidden list. That happened since my diagnosis of fatty liver disease and learning which foods do not honor my liver situation. I have ended up putting those foods in the forbidden category, usually the ones I love and crave. I was actually doing well before the trip and excited about trying lots of new foods and recipes. Today I am angry and resentful at having to give up the foods I love. So I have come back to diet mentality. I have to remind myself it is a journey, but I feel like I MUST lose weight and lower my liver enzymes. I have another lab test on the 30th. Perhaps that is what is driving this stress. There is no medication for liver disease, only diet/restricting fat and sugar intake. So it is up to me and what I eat. Sorry this is so long. Just had to vent. Sandy> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 Sandy, I sympathize and understand. I think you are right that the pressure of upcoming lab tests could be triggering your diet mentality, as well as your vacation which could be making you feel like you need to "make up" for eating the foods you wanted. How many times have we resolved to diet after a vacation, or the holidays, or after eating large amounts of forbidden foods? It's almost a reflex for many of us. I think it would be kind to recognize and accept that you feel angry about the need to restrict due to your diagnosis. Then remind yourself that you are trying to do what is best for your body, not punishing yourself for being bad or for gaining weight, etc. Take it slow and ease back into IE without recrimination or guilt. You are doing great. I have also been feeling the need to restrict lately. ly, my pants are getting tight and I have been overeating (probably due to the threat of restriction in the future). Yesterday, after I had most of a bag of sour candy, I got really fed up with myself. I started thinking, "I'm going to stop eating this crap. I'm getting fat." I'm still kind of in that mode. Today is the 3-year anniversary of my cancer diagnosis and I am feeling the need to "really start eating clean and healthy." All this pressure and negative self-talk. So, I am trying to remind myself that dieting creates binges and not healthy eating, that I can honor my body and be satisfied with my food at the same time, that I need to take it slow and steady and really listen to my body instead of all the voices. Hoping everyone is being kind to themselves today. Mimi Subject: Re: diet mentalityTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Thursday, November 17, 2011, 11:06 AM Sandy, I have found that dieting is such a huge and strong factor in our current world that its hard to totally avoid it. I can so sympathize with what is happening with you at this moment, I've had my 'lapses' too. At least these times are usually brief and not as strong an influence as they used to be for me. In fact for the most part I am able to recognize such an attack quickly, spit in its eyes and re-grasp any part of IE that I can manage to pull me out of that sucking pit. You seem to be doing pretty dang good considering your additional liver requirements. On a lesser scale I have that rebellion with gluten eating too. I am so comfortable and enjoy eating (taste/texture) the old familiar baked items I love making. Yet the tummy bloat, heartburn and so guilt that strikes - after an hour or so - is an unpleasant reminder of why eating this item isn't such a great idea. Sigh, its is all about choices that 'honor' my body, but seems like my taste buds and memory continues to drive the show more than my digestive system. The good news is that I slowly am finding alternatives that I am happy with and hope these will help me to go gluten free® without feeling that I am (trying to) deceive myself for the rotten old shoulds.GOOD JOB for sharing! I hope your writing has relieved and also clarified your struggle at this moment. Its also difficult to not expect a bit of 'perfection' to raise its ugly head now and then, especially when one has been working at IE for some time (as you have been doing well). I know I sometimes feel - why can't I just HAVE IE and not have to (constantly) work at it?!? I usually find that I've been working too hard 'at' it and just need to relax and let it be what it is at that moment. Death to diet demons!!! LOL LOLehugs, KatchaIEing since March 2007>> The diet mentality and all that goes with it is raising its ugly head. The food police, the rebel, etc. Really feeling depressed today and not sure what is going on. I had a good time with my friend on a 3 day vacation. We got back Tuesday and I was following IE well without judgement enjoying different foods and allowing for unusual situations. But found I got full fast and did not overeat. I was not hungry that often but we ate when we were. My friend is "back on his diet" and I think I felt threatened by that. He has always been able to watch what he eats and resist eating anything that would up his cholesterol(he has a carotid artery issue). He can lose and gain a pound or 2 very easily. I am, on the other hand, always struggling and I have put some foods back on the forbidden list. That happened since my diagnosis of fatty liver disease and learning which foods do not honor my liver situation. I have ended up putting those foods in the forbidden category, usually the ones I love and crave. I was actually doing well before the trip and excited about trying lots of new foods and recipes. Today I am angry and resentful at having to give up the foods I love. So I have come back to diet mentality. I have to remind myself it is a journey, but I feel like I MUST lose weight and lower my liver enzymes. I have another lab test on the 30th. Perhaps that is what is driving this stress. There is no medication for liver disease, only diet/restricting fat and sugar intake. So it is up to me and what I eat. Sorry this is so long. Just had to vent. Sandy> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 Sandy, I sympathize and understand. I think you are right that the pressure of upcoming lab tests could be triggering your diet mentality, as well as your vacation which could be making you feel like you need to "make up" for eating the foods you wanted. How many times have we resolved to diet after a vacation, or the holidays, or after eating large amounts of forbidden foods? It's almost a reflex for many of us. I think it would be kind to recognize and accept that you feel angry about the need to restrict due to your diagnosis. Then remind yourself that you are trying to do what is best for your body, not punishing yourself for being bad or for gaining weight, etc. Take it slow and ease back into IE without recrimination or guilt. You are doing great. I have also been feeling the need to restrict lately. ly, my pants are getting tight and I have been overeating (probably due to the threat of restriction in the future). Yesterday, after I had most of a bag of sour candy, I got really fed up with myself. I started thinking, "I'm going to stop eating this crap. I'm getting fat." I'm still kind of in that mode. Today is the 3-year anniversary of my cancer diagnosis and I am feeling the need to "really start eating clean and healthy." All this pressure and negative self-talk. So, I am trying to remind myself that dieting creates binges and not healthy eating, that I can honor my body and be satisfied with my food at the same time, that I need to take it slow and steady and really listen to my body instead of all the voices. Hoping everyone is being kind to themselves today. Mimi Subject: Re: diet mentalityTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Thursday, November 17, 2011, 11:06 AM Sandy, I have found that dieting is such a huge and strong factor in our current world that its hard to totally avoid it. I can so sympathize with what is happening with you at this moment, I've had my 'lapses' too. At least these times are usually brief and not as strong an influence as they used to be for me. In fact for the most part I am able to recognize such an attack quickly, spit in its eyes and re-grasp any part of IE that I can manage to pull me out of that sucking pit. You seem to be doing pretty dang good considering your additional liver requirements. On a lesser scale I have that rebellion with gluten eating too. I am so comfortable and enjoy eating (taste/texture) the old familiar baked items I love making. Yet the tummy bloat, heartburn and so guilt that strikes - after an hour or so - is an unpleasant reminder of why eating this item isn't such a great idea. Sigh, its is all about choices that 'honor' my body, but seems like my taste buds and memory continues to drive the show more than my digestive system. The good news is that I slowly am finding alternatives that I am happy with and hope these will help me to go gluten free® without feeling that I am (trying to) deceive myself for the rotten old shoulds.GOOD JOB for sharing! I hope your writing has relieved and also clarified your struggle at this moment. Its also difficult to not expect a bit of 'perfection' to raise its ugly head now and then, especially when one has been working at IE for some time (as you have been doing well). I know I sometimes feel - why can't I just HAVE IE and not have to (constantly) work at it?!? I usually find that I've been working too hard 'at' it and just need to relax and let it be what it is at that moment. Death to diet demons!!! LOL LOLehugs, KatchaIEing since March 2007>> The diet mentality and all that goes with it is raising its ugly head. The food police, the rebel, etc. Really feeling depressed today and not sure what is going on. I had a good time with my friend on a 3 day vacation. We got back Tuesday and I was following IE well without judgement enjoying different foods and allowing for unusual situations. But found I got full fast and did not overeat. I was not hungry that often but we ate when we were. My friend is "back on his diet" and I think I felt threatened by that. He has always been able to watch what he eats and resist eating anything that would up his cholesterol(he has a carotid artery issue). He can lose and gain a pound or 2 very easily. I am, on the other hand, always struggling and I have put some foods back on the forbidden list. That happened since my diagnosis of fatty liver disease and learning which foods do not honor my liver situation. I have ended up putting those foods in the forbidden category, usually the ones I love and crave. I was actually doing well before the trip and excited about trying lots of new foods and recipes. Today I am angry and resentful at having to give up the foods I love. So I have come back to diet mentality. I have to remind myself it is a journey, but I feel like I MUST lose weight and lower my liver enzymes. I have another lab test on the 30th. Perhaps that is what is driving this stress. There is no medication for liver disease, only diet/restricting fat and sugar intake. So it is up to me and what I eat. Sorry this is so long. Just had to vent. Sandy> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 It seems so wrong that our desire to " eat clean and healthy " " leads to a backlash of " bad " eating. In a perfect world, our ability to recognize that we are eating foods that aren't good for us would lead us to better eating, not worse. It seems so twisted somehow, but it must be true. I totally sympathize. It doesn't seem fair at all. So many people have such real needs to eat well, but it so doesn't work to simply do it. I wonder if one were a completely intuitive eater if it would be. If one developed a gluten intolerance or needed to eliminate high glycemic foods that one could simply do it, because one had never felt deprived, and had always taken care of oneself...... And that's what it's all about, isn't it--taking care of ourselves.....sigh.... Please let us know how the next couple of days go......(I am feeling similarly too). Tilley > > > > The diet mentality and all that goes with it is raising its ugly head. The food police, the rebel, etc. Really feeling depressed today and not sure what is going on. I had a good time with my friend on a 3 day vacation. We got back Tuesday and I was following IE well without judgement enjoying different foods and allowing for unusual situations. But found I got full fast and did not overeat. I was not hungry that often but we ate when we were. My friend is " back on his diet " and I think I felt threatened by that. He has always been able to watch what he eats and resist eating anything that would up his cholesterol(he has a carotid artery issue). He can lose and gain a pound or 2 very easily. I am, on the other hand, always struggling and I have put some foods back on the forbidden list. That happened since my diagnosis of fatty liver disease and learning which foods do not honor my liver situation. I have ended up putting those foods in the forbidden > category, usually the ones I love and crave. I was actually doing well before the trip and excited about trying lots of new foods and recipes. Today I am angry and resentful at having to give up the foods I love. So I have come back to diet mentality. I have to remind myself it is a journey, but I feel like I MUST lose weight and lower my liver enzymes. I have another lab test on the 30th. Perhaps that is what is driving this stress. There is no medication for liver disease, only diet/restricting fat and sugar intake. So it is up to me and what I eat. Sorry this is so long. Just had to vent. Sandy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 It seems so wrong that our desire to " eat clean and healthy " " leads to a backlash of " bad " eating. In a perfect world, our ability to recognize that we are eating foods that aren't good for us would lead us to better eating, not worse. It seems so twisted somehow, but it must be true. I totally sympathize. It doesn't seem fair at all. So many people have such real needs to eat well, but it so doesn't work to simply do it. I wonder if one were a completely intuitive eater if it would be. If one developed a gluten intolerance or needed to eliminate high glycemic foods that one could simply do it, because one had never felt deprived, and had always taken care of oneself...... And that's what it's all about, isn't it--taking care of ourselves.....sigh.... Please let us know how the next couple of days go......(I am feeling similarly too). Tilley > > > > The diet mentality and all that goes with it is raising its ugly head. The food police, the rebel, etc. Really feeling depressed today and not sure what is going on. I had a good time with my friend on a 3 day vacation. We got back Tuesday and I was following IE well without judgement enjoying different foods and allowing for unusual situations. But found I got full fast and did not overeat. I was not hungry that often but we ate when we were. My friend is " back on his diet " and I think I felt threatened by that. He has always been able to watch what he eats and resist eating anything that would up his cholesterol(he has a carotid artery issue). He can lose and gain a pound or 2 very easily. I am, on the other hand, always struggling and I have put some foods back on the forbidden list. That happened since my diagnosis of fatty liver disease and learning which foods do not honor my liver situation. I have ended up putting those foods in the forbidden > category, usually the ones I love and crave. I was actually doing well before the trip and excited about trying lots of new foods and recipes. Today I am angry and resentful at having to give up the foods I love. So I have come back to diet mentality. I have to remind myself it is a journey, but I feel like I MUST lose weight and lower my liver enzymes. I have another lab test on the 30th. Perhaps that is what is driving this stress. There is no medication for liver disease, only diet/restricting fat and sugar intake. So it is up to me and what I eat. Sorry this is so long. Just had to vent. Sandy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 It seems so wrong that our desire to " eat clean and healthy " " leads to a backlash of " bad " eating. In a perfect world, our ability to recognize that we are eating foods that aren't good for us would lead us to better eating, not worse. It seems so twisted somehow, but it must be true. I totally sympathize. It doesn't seem fair at all. So many people have such real needs to eat well, but it so doesn't work to simply do it. I wonder if one were a completely intuitive eater if it would be. If one developed a gluten intolerance or needed to eliminate high glycemic foods that one could simply do it, because one had never felt deprived, and had always taken care of oneself...... And that's what it's all about, isn't it--taking care of ourselves.....sigh.... Please let us know how the next couple of days go......(I am feeling similarly too). Tilley > > > > The diet mentality and all that goes with it is raising its ugly head. The food police, the rebel, etc. Really feeling depressed today and not sure what is going on. I had a good time with my friend on a 3 day vacation. We got back Tuesday and I was following IE well without judgement enjoying different foods and allowing for unusual situations. But found I got full fast and did not overeat. I was not hungry that often but we ate when we were. My friend is " back on his diet " and I think I felt threatened by that. He has always been able to watch what he eats and resist eating anything that would up his cholesterol(he has a carotid artery issue). He can lose and gain a pound or 2 very easily. I am, on the other hand, always struggling and I have put some foods back on the forbidden list. That happened since my diagnosis of fatty liver disease and learning which foods do not honor my liver situation. I have ended up putting those foods in the forbidden > category, usually the ones I love and crave. I was actually doing well before the trip and excited about trying lots of new foods and recipes. Today I am angry and resentful at having to give up the foods I love. So I have come back to diet mentality. I have to remind myself it is a journey, but I feel like I MUST lose weight and lower my liver enzymes. I have another lab test on the 30th. Perhaps that is what is driving this stress. There is no medication for liver disease, only diet/restricting fat and sugar intake. So it is up to me and what I eat. Sorry this is so long. Just had to vent. Sandy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 Thanks. I was feeling better by later on that day and went to a " cooking " class that had been on my schedule. It was a demonstration by the chef at the local college and we all got to taste what he had made. I had no problem with that and really enjoyed it. I even had brussel sprouts that I never eat/hate. But he prepared them so beautifully, taking out some of the bitterness. There were about 150 people there so we each only got a taste: cranberry compote, roasted vegetables, roasted turkey/gravy, the sprouts. I did not need a lot and was satisfied. They had pumpkin pie and spice cookies for dessert but I don't really care for those so didn't have any. Rather I had my usual chocolate pudding when I got home. I had given a lot of thought to those of you who have a problem with gluten and know it must be hard. With my liver issue I have no observable side effects, no bloating or anything. That makes it hard for me to remind myself that there is any need to honor my body. I guess the most important sign is being over weight. I have to lose the weight, lower the triglycerides, and stay away from unhealthy fats. That shouldn't be too hard but I love cookies, desserts, etc. that all have the fat in them. I keep trying to remind myself that those foods fall into that 3rd category of honoring my body and not into a forbidden food one. Thanks for the encouragement and reminder that IE is a process/journey that takes work and time. I also think my bipolar is kicking in where I am depressed in the morning and much better at night. I should just sleep until late afternoon but feel awful if I do that. Part of it is also related to the NPH with the shunt in my head. Can feel really down, headache, etc. when the weather changes. Thanks again and have a good Holiday, Sandy Sandy, I have found that dieting is such a huge and strong factor in our current world that its hard to totally avoid it. I can so sympathize with what is happening with you at this moment, I've had my 'lapses' too. At least these times are usually brief and not as strong an influence as they used to be for me. In fact for the most part I am able to recognize such an attack quickly, spit in its eyes and re-grasp any part of IE that I can manage to pull me out of that sucking pit. You seem to be doing pretty dang good considering your additional liver requirements. On a lesser scale I have that rebellion with gluten eating too. I am so comfortable and enjoy eating (taste/texture) the old familiar baked items I love making. Yet the tummy bloat, heartburn and so guilt that strikes - after an hour or so - is an unpleasant reminder of why eating this item isn't such a great idea. Sigh, its is all about choices that 'honor' my body, but seems like my taste buds and memory continues to drive the show more than my digestive system. The good news is that I slowly am finding alternatives that I am happy with and hope these will help me to go gluten free® without feeling that I am (trying to) deceive myself for the rotten old shoulds. GOOD JOB for sharing! I hope your writing has relieved and also clarified your struggle at this moment. Its also difficult to not expect a bit of 'perfection' to raise its ugly head now and then, especially when one has been working at IE for some time (as you have been doing well). I know I sometimes feel - why can't I just HAVE IE and not have to (constantly) work at it?!? I usually find that I've been working too hard 'at' it and just need to relax and let it be what it is at that moment. Death to diet demons!!! LOL LOL ehugs, Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > The diet mentality and all that goes with it is raising its ugly head. The food police, the rebel, etc. Really feeling depressed today and not sure what is going on. I had a good time with my friend on a 3 day vacation. We got back Tuesday and I was following IE well without judgement enjoying different foods and allowing for unusual situations. But found I got full fast and did not overeat. I was not hungry that often but we ate when we were. My friend is " back on his diet " and I think I felt threatened by that. He has always been able to watch what he eats and resist eating anything that would up his cholesterol(he has a carotid artery issue). He can lose and gain a pound or 2 very easily. I am, on the other hand, always struggling and I have put some foods back on the forbidden list. That happened since my diagnosis of fatty liver disease and learning which foods do not honor my liver situation. I have ended up putting those foods in the forbidden category, usually the ones I love and crave. I was actually doing well before the trip and excited about trying lots of new foods and recipes. Today I am angry and resentful at having to give up the foods I love. So I have come back to diet mentality. I have to remind myself it is a journey, but I feel like I MUST lose weight and lower my liver enzymes. I have another lab test on the 30th. Perhaps that is what is driving this stress. There is no medication for liver disease, only diet/restricting fat and sugar intake. So it is up to me and what I eat. Sorry this is so long. Just had to vent. Sandy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 Thanks. I was feeling better by later on that day and went to a " cooking " class that had been on my schedule. It was a demonstration by the chef at the local college and we all got to taste what he had made. I had no problem with that and really enjoyed it. I even had brussel sprouts that I never eat/hate. But he prepared them so beautifully, taking out some of the bitterness. There were about 150 people there so we each only got a taste: cranberry compote, roasted vegetables, roasted turkey/gravy, the sprouts. I did not need a lot and was satisfied. They had pumpkin pie and spice cookies for dessert but I don't really care for those so didn't have any. Rather I had my usual chocolate pudding when I got home. I had given a lot of thought to those of you who have a problem with gluten and know it must be hard. With my liver issue I have no observable side effects, no bloating or anything. That makes it hard for me to remind myself that there is any need to honor my body. I guess the most important sign is being over weight. I have to lose the weight, lower the triglycerides, and stay away from unhealthy fats. That shouldn't be too hard but I love cookies, desserts, etc. that all have the fat in them. I keep trying to remind myself that those foods fall into that 3rd category of honoring my body and not into a forbidden food one. Thanks for the encouragement and reminder that IE is a process/journey that takes work and time. I also think my bipolar is kicking in where I am depressed in the morning and much better at night. I should just sleep until late afternoon but feel awful if I do that. Part of it is also related to the NPH with the shunt in my head. Can feel really down, headache, etc. when the weather changes. Thanks again and have a good Holiday, Sandy Sandy, I have found that dieting is such a huge and strong factor in our current world that its hard to totally avoid it. I can so sympathize with what is happening with you at this moment, I've had my 'lapses' too. At least these times are usually brief and not as strong an influence as they used to be for me. In fact for the most part I am able to recognize such an attack quickly, spit in its eyes and re-grasp any part of IE that I can manage to pull me out of that sucking pit. You seem to be doing pretty dang good considering your additional liver requirements. On a lesser scale I have that rebellion with gluten eating too. I am so comfortable and enjoy eating (taste/texture) the old familiar baked items I love making. Yet the tummy bloat, heartburn and so guilt that strikes - after an hour or so - is an unpleasant reminder of why eating this item isn't such a great idea. Sigh, its is all about choices that 'honor' my body, but seems like my taste buds and memory continues to drive the show more than my digestive system. The good news is that I slowly am finding alternatives that I am happy with and hope these will help me to go gluten free® without feeling that I am (trying to) deceive myself for the rotten old shoulds. GOOD JOB for sharing! I hope your writing has relieved and also clarified your struggle at this moment. Its also difficult to not expect a bit of 'perfection' to raise its ugly head now and then, especially when one has been working at IE for some time (as you have been doing well). I know I sometimes feel - why can't I just HAVE IE and not have to (constantly) work at it?!? I usually find that I've been working too hard 'at' it and just need to relax and let it be what it is at that moment. Death to diet demons!!! LOL LOL ehugs, Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > The diet mentality and all that goes with it is raising its ugly head. The food police, the rebel, etc. Really feeling depressed today and not sure what is going on. I had a good time with my friend on a 3 day vacation. We got back Tuesday and I was following IE well without judgement enjoying different foods and allowing for unusual situations. But found I got full fast and did not overeat. I was not hungry that often but we ate when we were. My friend is " back on his diet " and I think I felt threatened by that. He has always been able to watch what he eats and resist eating anything that would up his cholesterol(he has a carotid artery issue). He can lose and gain a pound or 2 very easily. I am, on the other hand, always struggling and I have put some foods back on the forbidden list. That happened since my diagnosis of fatty liver disease and learning which foods do not honor my liver situation. I have ended up putting those foods in the forbidden category, usually the ones I love and crave. I was actually doing well before the trip and excited about trying lots of new foods and recipes. Today I am angry and resentful at having to give up the foods I love. So I have come back to diet mentality. I have to remind myself it is a journey, but I feel like I MUST lose weight and lower my liver enzymes. I have another lab test on the 30th. Perhaps that is what is driving this stress. There is no medication for liver disease, only diet/restricting fat and sugar intake. So it is up to me and what I eat. Sorry this is so long. Just had to vent. Sandy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 Thanks. I was feeling better by later on that day and went to a " cooking " class that had been on my schedule. It was a demonstration by the chef at the local college and we all got to taste what he had made. I had no problem with that and really enjoyed it. I even had brussel sprouts that I never eat/hate. But he prepared them so beautifully, taking out some of the bitterness. There were about 150 people there so we each only got a taste: cranberry compote, roasted vegetables, roasted turkey/gravy, the sprouts. I did not need a lot and was satisfied. They had pumpkin pie and spice cookies for dessert but I don't really care for those so didn't have any. Rather I had my usual chocolate pudding when I got home. I had given a lot of thought to those of you who have a problem with gluten and know it must be hard. With my liver issue I have no observable side effects, no bloating or anything. That makes it hard for me to remind myself that there is any need to honor my body. I guess the most important sign is being over weight. I have to lose the weight, lower the triglycerides, and stay away from unhealthy fats. That shouldn't be too hard but I love cookies, desserts, etc. that all have the fat in them. I keep trying to remind myself that those foods fall into that 3rd category of honoring my body and not into a forbidden food one. Thanks for the encouragement and reminder that IE is a process/journey that takes work and time. I also think my bipolar is kicking in where I am depressed in the morning and much better at night. I should just sleep until late afternoon but feel awful if I do that. Part of it is also related to the NPH with the shunt in my head. Can feel really down, headache, etc. when the weather changes. Thanks again and have a good Holiday, Sandy Sandy, I have found that dieting is such a huge and strong factor in our current world that its hard to totally avoid it. I can so sympathize with what is happening with you at this moment, I've had my 'lapses' too. At least these times are usually brief and not as strong an influence as they used to be for me. In fact for the most part I am able to recognize such an attack quickly, spit in its eyes and re-grasp any part of IE that I can manage to pull me out of that sucking pit. You seem to be doing pretty dang good considering your additional liver requirements. On a lesser scale I have that rebellion with gluten eating too. I am so comfortable and enjoy eating (taste/texture) the old familiar baked items I love making. Yet the tummy bloat, heartburn and so guilt that strikes - after an hour or so - is an unpleasant reminder of why eating this item isn't such a great idea. Sigh, its is all about choices that 'honor' my body, but seems like my taste buds and memory continues to drive the show more than my digestive system. The good news is that I slowly am finding alternatives that I am happy with and hope these will help me to go gluten free® without feeling that I am (trying to) deceive myself for the rotten old shoulds. GOOD JOB for sharing! I hope your writing has relieved and also clarified your struggle at this moment. Its also difficult to not expect a bit of 'perfection' to raise its ugly head now and then, especially when one has been working at IE for some time (as you have been doing well). I know I sometimes feel - why can't I just HAVE IE and not have to (constantly) work at it?!? I usually find that I've been working too hard 'at' it and just need to relax and let it be what it is at that moment. Death to diet demons!!! LOL LOL ehugs, Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > The diet mentality and all that goes with it is raising its ugly head. The food police, the rebel, etc. Really feeling depressed today and not sure what is going on. I had a good time with my friend on a 3 day vacation. We got back Tuesday and I was following IE well without judgement enjoying different foods and allowing for unusual situations. But found I got full fast and did not overeat. I was not hungry that often but we ate when we were. My friend is " back on his diet " and I think I felt threatened by that. He has always been able to watch what he eats and resist eating anything that would up his cholesterol(he has a carotid artery issue). He can lose and gain a pound or 2 very easily. I am, on the other hand, always struggling and I have put some foods back on the forbidden list. That happened since my diagnosis of fatty liver disease and learning which foods do not honor my liver situation. I have ended up putting those foods in the forbidden category, usually the ones I love and crave. I was actually doing well before the trip and excited about trying lots of new foods and recipes. Today I am angry and resentful at having to give up the foods I love. So I have come back to diet mentality. I have to remind myself it is a journey, but I feel like I MUST lose weight and lower my liver enzymes. I have another lab test on the 30th. Perhaps that is what is driving this stress. There is no medication for liver disease, only diet/restricting fat and sugar intake. So it is up to me and what I eat. Sorry this is so long. Just had to vent. Sandy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 Yes, that would be easier and better wouldn't it? We would see what would honor our bodies and find a way to do it while still maintaining our joy in food and eating. I think all the years of restriction and negative self-talk have taught us well: forgoing any food (even if it causes a bad physical reaction) is akin to punishing ourselves and so we rebel. A good instinct in general, actually, but something that can get in the way when it comes to food choices. That is why I am still reminding myself over and over again that I WILL NOT deprive myself of food, that I don't have to worry about that, that I don't have to eat it all now, because I can eat more later, etc., etc. After a few days of absolutely eating until discomfort (I am trying not to use pejorative words like "stuffed myself" or "gorged."), I am trying to relax, listen very hard to hunger and fullness signals, and stop the negative talk about my body. I will try to go shopping today to get something that looks good and fits me. I was thinking seriously of returning to some sort of restriction these past few days, "just until I drop a few sizes," but I know that's not the way to go....MimiSubject: Re: diet mentalityTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Friday, November 18, 2011, 8:36 AM It seems so wrong that our desire to "eat clean and healthy" " leads to a backlash of "bad" eating. In a perfect world, our ability to recognize that we are eating foods that aren't good for us would lead us to better eating, not worse. It seems so twisted somehow, but it must be true. I totally sympathize. It doesn't seem fair at all. So many people have such real needs to eat well, but it so doesn't work to simply do it. I wonder if one were a completely intuitive eater if it would be. If one developed a gluten intolerance or needed to eliminate high glycemic foods that one could simply do it, because one had never felt deprived, and had always taken care of oneself...... And that's what it's all about, isn't it--taking care of ourselves.....sigh.... Please let us know how the next couple of days go......(I am feeling similarly too). Tilley -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 Yes, that would be easier and better wouldn't it? We would see what would honor our bodies and find a way to do it while still maintaining our joy in food and eating. I think all the years of restriction and negative self-talk have taught us well: forgoing any food (even if it causes a bad physical reaction) is akin to punishing ourselves and so we rebel. A good instinct in general, actually, but something that can get in the way when it comes to food choices. That is why I am still reminding myself over and over again that I WILL NOT deprive myself of food, that I don't have to worry about that, that I don't have to eat it all now, because I can eat more later, etc., etc. After a few days of absolutely eating until discomfort (I am trying not to use pejorative words like "stuffed myself" or "gorged."), I am trying to relax, listen very hard to hunger and fullness signals, and stop the negative talk about my body. I will try to go shopping today to get something that looks good and fits me. I was thinking seriously of returning to some sort of restriction these past few days, "just until I drop a few sizes," but I know that's not the way to go....MimiSubject: Re: diet mentalityTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Friday, November 18, 2011, 8:36 AM It seems so wrong that our desire to "eat clean and healthy" " leads to a backlash of "bad" eating. In a perfect world, our ability to recognize that we are eating foods that aren't good for us would lead us to better eating, not worse. It seems so twisted somehow, but it must be true. I totally sympathize. It doesn't seem fair at all. So many people have such real needs to eat well, but it so doesn't work to simply do it. I wonder if one were a completely intuitive eater if it would be. If one developed a gluten intolerance or needed to eliminate high glycemic foods that one could simply do it, because one had never felt deprived, and had always taken care of oneself...... And that's what it's all about, isn't it--taking care of ourselves.....sigh.... Please let us know how the next couple of days go......(I am feeling similarly too). Tilley -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 Mimi, thanks. It seems that the only treatment for fatty liver disease is losing weight, limiting fat/sugar intake, etc. It however is a slow process as I understand it, so I could take the changes slowly too. Like finding new foods that I like. I had decided to give up eggs, my favorite. Was eating 2/day for years, so probably not a good idea. Yet there is conflicting information on that too and so much good even in the egg yolk. Anyway I did not have any eggs for 2 weeks and started missing them a lot. I had some a couple of times now and found that I don't like them as well as I used to and that I don't feel so good afterwards. I am finding some things for a slow change in likes and dislikes and honor my body. If the fatty liver is a slow process, I guess the food changes can be slow too. Yesterday I ate those Brussel sprouts for the first time ever and they were good. I just need to find a good/different way of cooking things. Sandy Yes, that would be easier and better wouldn't it? We would see what would honor our bodies and find a way to do it while still maintaining our joy in food and eating. I think all the years of restriction and negative self-talk have taught us well: forgoing any food (even if it causes a bad physical reaction) is akin to punishing ourselves and so we rebel. A good instinct in general, actually, but something that can get in the way when it comes to food choices. That is why I am still reminding myself over and over again that I WILL NOT deprive myself of food, that I don't have to worry about that, that I don't have to eat it all now, because I can eat more later, etc., etc. After a few days of absolutely eating until discomfort (I am trying not to use pejorative words like " stuffed myself " or " gorged. " ), I am trying to relax, listen very hard to hunger and fullness signals, and stop the negative talk about my body. I will try to go shopping today to get something that looks good and fits me. I was thinking seriously of returning to some sort of restriction these past few days, " just until I drop a few sizes, " but I know that's not the way to go.... Mimi Subject: Re: diet mentalityTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Friday, November 18, 2011, 8:36 AM It seems so wrong that our desire to " eat clean and healthy " " leads to a backlash of " bad " eating. In a perfect world, our ability to recognize that we are eating foods that aren't good for us would lead us to better eating, not worse. It seems so twisted somehow, but it must be true. I totally sympathize. It doesn't seem fair at all. So many people have such real needs to eat well, but it so doesn't work to simply do it. I wonder if one were a completely intuitive eater if it would be. If one developed a gluten intolerance or needed to eliminate high glycemic foods that one could simply do it, because one had never felt deprived, and had always taken care of oneself...... And that's what it's all about, isn't it--taking care of ourselves.....sigh.... Please let us know how the next couple of days go......(I am feeling similarly too). Tilley -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 Mimi, thanks. It seems that the only treatment for fatty liver disease is losing weight, limiting fat/sugar intake, etc. It however is a slow process as I understand it, so I could take the changes slowly too. Like finding new foods that I like. I had decided to give up eggs, my favorite. Was eating 2/day for years, so probably not a good idea. Yet there is conflicting information on that too and so much good even in the egg yolk. Anyway I did not have any eggs for 2 weeks and started missing them a lot. I had some a couple of times now and found that I don't like them as well as I used to and that I don't feel so good afterwards. I am finding some things for a slow change in likes and dislikes and honor my body. If the fatty liver is a slow process, I guess the food changes can be slow too. Yesterday I ate those Brussel sprouts for the first time ever and they were good. I just need to find a good/different way of cooking things. Sandy Yes, that would be easier and better wouldn't it? We would see what would honor our bodies and find a way to do it while still maintaining our joy in food and eating. I think all the years of restriction and negative self-talk have taught us well: forgoing any food (even if it causes a bad physical reaction) is akin to punishing ourselves and so we rebel. A good instinct in general, actually, but something that can get in the way when it comes to food choices. That is why I am still reminding myself over and over again that I WILL NOT deprive myself of food, that I don't have to worry about that, that I don't have to eat it all now, because I can eat more later, etc., etc. After a few days of absolutely eating until discomfort (I am trying not to use pejorative words like " stuffed myself " or " gorged. " ), I am trying to relax, listen very hard to hunger and fullness signals, and stop the negative talk about my body. I will try to go shopping today to get something that looks good and fits me. I was thinking seriously of returning to some sort of restriction these past few days, " just until I drop a few sizes, " but I know that's not the way to go.... Mimi Subject: Re: diet mentalityTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Friday, November 18, 2011, 8:36 AM It seems so wrong that our desire to " eat clean and healthy " " leads to a backlash of " bad " eating. In a perfect world, our ability to recognize that we are eating foods that aren't good for us would lead us to better eating, not worse. It seems so twisted somehow, but it must be true. I totally sympathize. It doesn't seem fair at all. So many people have such real needs to eat well, but it so doesn't work to simply do it. I wonder if one were a completely intuitive eater if it would be. If one developed a gluten intolerance or needed to eliminate high glycemic foods that one could simply do it, because one had never felt deprived, and had always taken care of oneself...... And that's what it's all about, isn't it--taking care of ourselves.....sigh.... Please let us know how the next couple of days go......(I am feeling similarly too). Tilley -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 My hackles raise when I read phrases like 'eat clean and healthy' (not anger to you Tilley - just in general). What the heck IS 'clean and healthy'?!? Or perhaps I ought to say - this moment's definition . . . I find this such an EXternal 'leash jerk' - that interested parties (diet industry and its minions) use to keep us trained pets jumping through the hoops of their choices. Grrr. Let's face it 'food' has more levels of meaning these days than ever in man's past. It is near impossible to know the 'health' level of most of what we eat. Even 'organic' raised items can be done on depleted soils thus lack trace elements that might be found in un-organically raised items. Processing, out-of-season and/or long term stored fruits/veggies and discovery of how corn has been over used in many 'levels' of feeding to where meat has a distinct 'corn signature', all challenge our ability to obtain 'healthy' food choices. We can't all have a garden out back nor a barn with own meat production on foot. But as limited as our bodies are for such definitive judgments as to what is 'healthy' or not, I really don't believe that any lab can 'focus' in on A item or element and make a blanket judgment from isolated (and often DIRECTED) study producing A conclusion. I feel that about the best thing I can do for myself is to supply as varied an input of foods as I can from which my body can then balance its needs. I also default to my body to 'hint' at what it desires for INternal balancing purposes. (Phew! off soap box now ;-)) Katcha IEing since March 2007 PS I am not 'anti-expert', just wish that those who truly are sincere in their assistance would more strongly examine the sources they work from a bit more deeply. Time to pull the curtain back Toto ;-) > > > It seems so wrong that our desire to " eat clean and healthy " > " leads to a backlash of " bad " eating. In a perfect world, our ability to recognize that we are eating foods that aren't good for us would lead us to better eating, not worse. It seems so twisted somehow, but it must be true. I totally sympathize. It doesn't seem fair at all. So many people have such real needs to eat well, but it so doesn't work to simply do it. I wonder if one were a completely intuitive eater if it would be. If one developed a gluten intolerance or needed to eliminate high glycemic foods that one could simply do it, because one had never felt deprived, and had always taken care of oneself...... > > And that's what it's all about, isn't it--taking care of ourselves.....sigh.... > > Please let us know how the next couple of days go......(I am feeling similarly too). > > Tilley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 My hackles raise when I read phrases like 'eat clean and healthy' (not anger to you Tilley - just in general). What the heck IS 'clean and healthy'?!? Or perhaps I ought to say - this moment's definition . . . I find this such an EXternal 'leash jerk' - that interested parties (diet industry and its minions) use to keep us trained pets jumping through the hoops of their choices. Grrr. Let's face it 'food' has more levels of meaning these days than ever in man's past. It is near impossible to know the 'health' level of most of what we eat. Even 'organic' raised items can be done on depleted soils thus lack trace elements that might be found in un-organically raised items. Processing, out-of-season and/or long term stored fruits/veggies and discovery of how corn has been over used in many 'levels' of feeding to where meat has a distinct 'corn signature', all challenge our ability to obtain 'healthy' food choices. We can't all have a garden out back nor a barn with own meat production on foot. But as limited as our bodies are for such definitive judgments as to what is 'healthy' or not, I really don't believe that any lab can 'focus' in on A item or element and make a blanket judgment from isolated (and often DIRECTED) study producing A conclusion. I feel that about the best thing I can do for myself is to supply as varied an input of foods as I can from which my body can then balance its needs. I also default to my body to 'hint' at what it desires for INternal balancing purposes. (Phew! off soap box now ;-)) Katcha IEing since March 2007 PS I am not 'anti-expert', just wish that those who truly are sincere in their assistance would more strongly examine the sources they work from a bit more deeply. Time to pull the curtain back Toto ;-) > > > It seems so wrong that our desire to " eat clean and healthy " > " leads to a backlash of " bad " eating. In a perfect world, our ability to recognize that we are eating foods that aren't good for us would lead us to better eating, not worse. It seems so twisted somehow, but it must be true. I totally sympathize. It doesn't seem fair at all. So many people have such real needs to eat well, but it so doesn't work to simply do it. I wonder if one were a completely intuitive eater if it would be. If one developed a gluten intolerance or needed to eliminate high glycemic foods that one could simply do it, because one had never felt deprived, and had always taken care of oneself...... > > And that's what it's all about, isn't it--taking care of ourselves.....sigh.... > > Please let us know how the next couple of days go......(I am feeling similarly too). > > Tilley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 Talk about a $64,000 question! But of course that is exactly the biggest question we all face when we start looking at what diet mentality is and how its been incorporated/embraced by each one of us. I have not 'studied' liver functions but it seems to me that focusing on body weight is quite an indirect way to help a liver 'heal'. Certainly doing anything that doesn't overtax or (further) damage that organ is the best start one could do! I'm not 'sold' on the idea that fats - in all forms - are the enemy either. What I would consider and try would be to see if I could add as 'good' a 'fat' as I could find (extra virgin olive oil? coconut oil?) and see if those might help to lessen the load a liver has to deal with, hopefully allowing it to 'rest' and heal itself? What cracks me up is how demonized something like eggs were, yet they had to be a 'perfect food' package for nature to begin life with. It still makes sense to me that if one cuts off a source, our bodies could respond with 'doubling down' on its attempt to produce what it perceives as lacking (thus resulting in an even higher level?) And if the only resource for needed components are 'second string' choices - the results can only be second class too? Alas I agree that there probably aren't any sensations/cues that can accurately 'tell' us what we need to know. Blood tests could be good indicators, but black and white 'cause/effect' conclusions via medications that relieve, yet also MASK underlying conditions make me shudder. BEST wishes on finding what works for YOU. ehugs, Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > Trying to distinguish between External and INternal cues. My > doctors(EXternal) say I have to lose weight to get my liver enzymes down, > there is no medication except some vitamin E. Yet the Liver itself > produces(INternal) most of our cholesterol as I understand it, and it has > very little to do with diet. How do I know which is EXternal or INternal? > Anyone with good info on this? I have to go out now and will look this up > again later. Sandy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 Talk about a $64,000 question! But of course that is exactly the biggest question we all face when we start looking at what diet mentality is and how its been incorporated/embraced by each one of us. I have not 'studied' liver functions but it seems to me that focusing on body weight is quite an indirect way to help a liver 'heal'. Certainly doing anything that doesn't overtax or (further) damage that organ is the best start one could do! I'm not 'sold' on the idea that fats - in all forms - are the enemy either. What I would consider and try would be to see if I could add as 'good' a 'fat' as I could find (extra virgin olive oil? coconut oil?) and see if those might help to lessen the load a liver has to deal with, hopefully allowing it to 'rest' and heal itself? What cracks me up is how demonized something like eggs were, yet they had to be a 'perfect food' package for nature to begin life with. It still makes sense to me that if one cuts off a source, our bodies could respond with 'doubling down' on its attempt to produce what it perceives as lacking (thus resulting in an even higher level?) And if the only resource for needed components are 'second string' choices - the results can only be second class too? Alas I agree that there probably aren't any sensations/cues that can accurately 'tell' us what we need to know. Blood tests could be good indicators, but black and white 'cause/effect' conclusions via medications that relieve, yet also MASK underlying conditions make me shudder. BEST wishes on finding what works for YOU. ehugs, Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > Trying to distinguish between External and INternal cues. My > doctors(EXternal) say I have to lose weight to get my liver enzymes down, > there is no medication except some vitamin E. Yet the Liver itself > produces(INternal) most of our cholesterol as I understand it, and it has > very little to do with diet. How do I know which is EXternal or INternal? > Anyone with good info on this? I have to go out now and will look this up > again later. Sandy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 I also have a chronic disease that resides in my lungs. It has been a long and frustrating journey to wellness and what I learned along the way is to empower myself with as much knowledge as I can possibly get. I considered all kinds of medicine that included naturopaths and the likes. What I discovered is MDs only know what they are trained to know and it's very mechanical. The advice to lose weight may be sound advice but there may be other treatments like acupunture that may aid you more than you know. My story is that I went to an MD for years with an active lung disease that was very taxing on me daily. After consulting with many different practices, I decided to implement the ones that made sense to me. If the advice did not fit into my life easily enough, I disregarded it and tried an approach that did work into my life. Finally, I decided to start a running regime. My thought process was that my lungs are a muscle that can be strengthened. In the beginning it was very, very hard. My lungs ached badly. But I stuck with it. Six months later I went in for my routine check up and learned that I was finally in remission. I talked to my MD about the things I had done and he discounted all of it and said sometimes diseases go into remission spontaneously. I know he's wrong. What I did was listen to my intuition and tried things that were right for me. The path to wellness is not supposed to make you miserable. The point is to feel better both physically and mentally.Losing weight may be one of many possible solutions. Do yourself a kindness and get fully educated and only incorporate what makes sense in your life. Just my two cents,Dina To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:37 AM Subject: Re: diet mentality Talk about a $64,000 question! But of course that is exactly the biggest question we all face when we start looking at what diet mentality is and how its been incorporated/embraced by each one of us. I have not 'studied' liver functions but it seems to me that focusing on body weight is quite an indirect way to help a liver 'heal'. Certainly doing anything that doesn't overtax or (further) damage that organ is the best start one could do! I'm not 'sold' on the idea that fats - in all forms - are the enemy either. What I would consider and try would be to see if I could add as 'good' a 'fat' as I could find (extra virgin olive oil? coconut oil?) and see if those might help to lessen the load a liver has to deal with, hopefully allowing it to 'rest' and heal itself? What cracks me up is how demonized something like eggs were, yet they had to be a 'perfect food' package for nature to begin life with. It still makes sense to me that if one cuts off a source, our bodies could respond with 'doubling down' on its attempt to produce what it perceives as lacking (thus resulting in an even higher level?) And if the only resource for needed components are 'second string' choices - the results can only be second class too? Alas I agree that there probably aren't any sensations/cues that can accurately 'tell' us what we need to know. Blood tests could be good indicators, but black and white 'cause/effect' conclusions via medications that relieve, yet also MASK underlying conditions make me shudder. BEST wishes on finding what works for YOU. ehugs, Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > Trying to distinguish between External and INternal cues. My > doctors(EXternal) say I have to lose weight to get my liver enzymes down, > there is no medication except some vitamin E. Yet the Liver itself > produces(INternal) most of our cholesterol as I understand it, and it has > very little to do with diet. How do I know which is EXternal or INternal? > Anyone with good info on this? I have to go out now and will look this up > again later. Sandy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 I also have a chronic disease that resides in my lungs. It has been a long and frustrating journey to wellness and what I learned along the way is to empower myself with as much knowledge as I can possibly get. I considered all kinds of medicine that included naturopaths and the likes. What I discovered is MDs only know what they are trained to know and it's very mechanical. The advice to lose weight may be sound advice but there may be other treatments like acupunture that may aid you more than you know. My story is that I went to an MD for years with an active lung disease that was very taxing on me daily. After consulting with many different practices, I decided to implement the ones that made sense to me. If the advice did not fit into my life easily enough, I disregarded it and tried an approach that did work into my life. Finally, I decided to start a running regime. My thought process was that my lungs are a muscle that can be strengthened. In the beginning it was very, very hard. My lungs ached badly. But I stuck with it. Six months later I went in for my routine check up and learned that I was finally in remission. I talked to my MD about the things I had done and he discounted all of it and said sometimes diseases go into remission spontaneously. I know he's wrong. What I did was listen to my intuition and tried things that were right for me. The path to wellness is not supposed to make you miserable. The point is to feel better both physically and mentally.Losing weight may be one of many possible solutions. Do yourself a kindness and get fully educated and only incorporate what makes sense in your life. Just my two cents,Dina To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:37 AM Subject: Re: diet mentality Talk about a $64,000 question! But of course that is exactly the biggest question we all face when we start looking at what diet mentality is and how its been incorporated/embraced by each one of us. I have not 'studied' liver functions but it seems to me that focusing on body weight is quite an indirect way to help a liver 'heal'. Certainly doing anything that doesn't overtax or (further) damage that organ is the best start one could do! I'm not 'sold' on the idea that fats - in all forms - are the enemy either. What I would consider and try would be to see if I could add as 'good' a 'fat' as I could find (extra virgin olive oil? coconut oil?) and see if those might help to lessen the load a liver has to deal with, hopefully allowing it to 'rest' and heal itself? What cracks me up is how demonized something like eggs were, yet they had to be a 'perfect food' package for nature to begin life with. It still makes sense to me that if one cuts off a source, our bodies could respond with 'doubling down' on its attempt to produce what it perceives as lacking (thus resulting in an even higher level?) And if the only resource for needed components are 'second string' choices - the results can only be second class too? Alas I agree that there probably aren't any sensations/cues that can accurately 'tell' us what we need to know. Blood tests could be good indicators, but black and white 'cause/effect' conclusions via medications that relieve, yet also MASK underlying conditions make me shudder. BEST wishes on finding what works for YOU. ehugs, Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > Trying to distinguish between External and INternal cues. My > doctors(EXternal) say I have to lose weight to get my liver enzymes down, > there is no medication except some vitamin E. Yet the Liver itself > produces(INternal) most of our cholesterol as I understand it, and it has > very little to do with diet. How do I know which is EXternal or INternal? > Anyone with good info on this? I have to go out now and will look this up > again later. Sandy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 Thanks. I talked with Jillian today and she helped a lot. I haven't processed it all yet. I am able to see more of that sneaky diet mentality and it is deeply incorporated. I do use Olive oil. I like what you said about double down and second class. I am so confused on this area of liver but I have to remember that it is not an emergency situation. I am due to have another blood test on the 30th. I think that is part of what is driving my anxiety. Sandy Talk about a $64,000 question! But of course that is exactly the biggest question we all face when we start looking at what diet mentality is and how its been incorporated/embraced by each one of us. I have not 'studied' liver functions but it seems to me that focusing on body weight is quite an indirect way to help a liver 'heal'. Certainly doing anything that doesn't overtax or (further) damage that organ is the best start one could do! I'm not 'sold' on the idea that fats - in all forms - are the enemy either. What I would consider and try would be to see if I could add as 'good' a 'fat' as I could find (extra virgin olive oil? coconut oil?) and see if those might help to lessen the load a liver has to deal with, hopefully allowing it to 'rest' and heal itself? What cracks me up is how demonized something like eggs were, yet they had to be a 'perfect food' package for nature to begin life with. It still makes sense to me that if one cuts off a source, our bodies could respond with 'doubling down' on its attempt to produce what it perceives as lacking (thus resulting in an even higher level?) And if the only resource for needed components are 'second string' choices - the results can only be second class too? Alas I agree that there probably aren't any sensations/cues that can accurately 'tell' us what we need to know. Blood tests could be good indicators, but black and white 'cause/effect' conclusions via medications that relieve, yet also MASK underlying conditions make me shudder. BEST wishes on finding what works for YOU. ehugs, Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > Trying to distinguish between External and INternal cues. My > doctors(EXternal) say I have to lose weight to get my liver enzymes down, > there is no medication except some vitamin E. Yet the Liver itself > produces(INternal) most of our cholesterol as I understand it, and it has > very little to do with diet. How do I know which is EXternal or INternal? > Anyone with good info on this? I have to go out now and will look this up > again later. Sandy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 Thanks. I talked with Jillian today and she helped a lot. I haven't processed it all yet. I am able to see more of that sneaky diet mentality and it is deeply incorporated. I do use Olive oil. I like what you said about double down and second class. I am so confused on this area of liver but I have to remember that it is not an emergency situation. I am due to have another blood test on the 30th. I think that is part of what is driving my anxiety. Sandy Talk about a $64,000 question! But of course that is exactly the biggest question we all face when we start looking at what diet mentality is and how its been incorporated/embraced by each one of us. I have not 'studied' liver functions but it seems to me that focusing on body weight is quite an indirect way to help a liver 'heal'. Certainly doing anything that doesn't overtax or (further) damage that organ is the best start one could do! I'm not 'sold' on the idea that fats - in all forms - are the enemy either. What I would consider and try would be to see if I could add as 'good' a 'fat' as I could find (extra virgin olive oil? coconut oil?) and see if those might help to lessen the load a liver has to deal with, hopefully allowing it to 'rest' and heal itself? What cracks me up is how demonized something like eggs were, yet they had to be a 'perfect food' package for nature to begin life with. It still makes sense to me that if one cuts off a source, our bodies could respond with 'doubling down' on its attempt to produce what it perceives as lacking (thus resulting in an even higher level?) And if the only resource for needed components are 'second string' choices - the results can only be second class too? Alas I agree that there probably aren't any sensations/cues that can accurately 'tell' us what we need to know. Blood tests could be good indicators, but black and white 'cause/effect' conclusions via medications that relieve, yet also MASK underlying conditions make me shudder. BEST wishes on finding what works for YOU. ehugs, Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > Trying to distinguish between External and INternal cues. My > doctors(EXternal) say I have to lose weight to get my liver enzymes down, > there is no medication except some vitamin E. Yet the Liver itself > produces(INternal) most of our cholesterol as I understand it, and it has > very little to do with diet. How do I know which is EXternal or INternal? > Anyone with good info on this? I have to go out now and will look this up > again later. Sandy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 Good for you Sandy. When I find myself in a diet mentality tizzy, following whatever lead I can focus on - writing here, stopping and checking in with myself etc. usually helps to get me back on track. I can identify with test anxiety too. But I am more and more tending to look on those the same way I do weighing myself - not letting a number 'be' what I am (or not). Information input for sure. Wishing you a delightfully happy results on your next test! ehugs, Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > Thanks. I talked with Jillian today and she helped a lot. I haven't > processed it all yet. I am able to see more of that sneaky diet mentality > and it is deeply incorporated. I do use Olive oil. I like what you said > about double down and second class. I am so confused on this area of liver > but I have to remember that it is not an emergency situation. I am due to > have another blood test on the 30th. I think that is part of what is > driving my anxiety. Sandy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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