Re: Think ahead to get ahead . . .

[Guest guest]

In a few weeks I'm going to be doing an training series (for free) on IE through

the holidays. If you're interested I'll let you know when it's happening.

The Pleasure Nutritionist

>

> The post about winter blues sparked a seasonal thought of my own. The

'holiday' season is fast approaching with Halloween in the next few days. I used

to love/dread that day because I was so love-hate candy fixated. I would start

thinking about the day AFTER Halloween since I could 'score' marked down candy

then. It was a source of glee and guilt in all those colorful packages.

>

> Next came Gobble Day where a bursting belly seemed the goal. How could that be

avoided when that was the only time each year that I got to eat some special

treats?!?

>

> Lastly was all the winter festival events - pre holiday parties, holiday

dinner and that last hurrah of pigging out - New Years after which being 'good'

would atone for all the indulgence done.

>

> So rather than look forward with dread and impending shame, what do you

envision as an welcome alternative? Can you imagine a way to enjoy this time

that would please rather than upset you? How can IE help you?

>

> Just some thoughts.

>

> Katcha

> IEing since March 2007

>

[Guest guest]

In a few weeks I'm going to be doing an training series (for free) on IE through

the holidays. If you're interested I'll let you know when it's happening.

The Pleasure Nutritionist

>

> The post about winter blues sparked a seasonal thought of my own. The

'holiday' season is fast approaching with Halloween in the next few days. I used

to love/dread that day because I was so love-hate candy fixated. I would start

thinking about the day AFTER Halloween since I could 'score' marked down candy

then. It was a source of glee and guilt in all those colorful packages.

>

> Next came Gobble Day where a bursting belly seemed the goal. How could that be

avoided when that was the only time each year that I got to eat some special

treats?!?

>

> Lastly was all the winter festival events - pre holiday parties, holiday

dinner and that last hurrah of pigging out - New Years after which being 'good'

would atone for all the indulgence done.

>

> So rather than look forward with dread and impending shame, what do you

envision as an welcome alternative? Can you imagine a way to enjoy this time

that would please rather than upset you? How can IE help you?

>

> Just some thoughts.

>

> Katcha

> IEing since March 2007

>

[Guest guest]

My first thought was - why didn't she just serve chucks of pumpkin with

toothpicks in them? it would have been much more honest and of course 'healthy'

too (giggles)

Katcha

>

> No sweetener of any kind in a pie?! Now that is hardcore. LOL. 

[Guest guest]

My first thought was - why didn't she just serve chucks of pumpkin with

toothpicks in them? it would have been much more honest and of course 'healthy'

too (giggles)

Katcha

>

> No sweetener of any kind in a pie?! Now that is hardcore. LOL. 

[Guest guest]

My first thought was - why didn't she just serve chucks of pumpkin with

toothpicks in them? it would have been much more honest and of course 'healthy'

too (giggles)

Katcha

>

> No sweetener of any kind in a pie?! Now that is hardcore. LOL. 

[Guest guest]

Will this be online attend-able? (teleconference?) or in a specific area? If you

want to post general information (location, dates, times) that would be

generous. I hope that those truly interested will contact you directly at your

email.

Katcha

IEing since March 2007

>

> In a few weeks I'm going to be doing an training series (for free) on IE

through the holidays. If you're interested I'll let you know when it's

happening.

>

> The Pleasure Nutritionist

[Guest guest]

Will this be online attend-able? (teleconference?) or in a specific area? If you

want to post general information (location, dates, times) that would be

generous. I hope that those truly interested will contact you directly at your

email.

Katcha

IEing since March 2007

>

> In a few weeks I'm going to be doing an training series (for free) on IE

through the holidays. If you're interested I'll let you know when it's

happening.

>

> The Pleasure Nutritionist

[Guest guest]

Will this be online attend-able? (teleconference?) or in a specific area? If you

want to post general information (location, dates, times) that would be

generous. I hope that those truly interested will contact you directly at your

email.

Katcha

IEing since March 2007

>

> In a few weeks I'm going to be doing an training series (for free) on IE

through the holidays. If you're interested I'll let you know when it's

happening.

>

> The Pleasure Nutritionist

[Guest guest]

I think that her diet mentality had simply driven her over the edge... It did

give a lot of people a great unforgettable holiday moment though...

> >

> > No sweetener of any kind in a pie?! Now that is hardcore. LOL. 

>

[Guest guest]

I think that her diet mentality had simply driven her over the edge... It did

give a lot of people a great unforgettable holiday moment though...

> >

> > No sweetener of any kind in a pie?! Now that is hardcore. LOL. 

>

[Guest guest]

I think that her diet mentality had simply driven her over the edge... It did

give a lot of people a great unforgettable holiday moment though...

> >

> > No sweetener of any kind in a pie?! Now that is hardcore. LOL. 

>

[Guest guest]

All these years, I've loved cauliflower - until I ate some " mashed cauliflower "

my low-carbing friend served at Thanksgiving last year. Yuck! There IS a way

to make it icky! Give me my genuine mashed potatoes and nice steamed

cauliflower. I guess a lesson I have been learning on one food after another

lately is that fake substitutions just feel unsatisfying. Give me the real

thing! I'll eat far less and feel much more satisfied.

Jane

>

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> Subject: Re: Think ahead to get ahead . . .

> To: IntuitiveEating_Support

> Date: Thursday, October 27, 2011, 4:48 PM

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> It's funny, all that talk of substitutions... when I did a low carb diet,

there was an online support group where there was a lot of chatter about using

cauliflower to make mashed " potatoes " . I remember the highest compliment was,

" it's so good it doesn't even taste like cauliflower! "

> It just so happens that I ADORE cauliflower -- I could easily eat a whole head

of steamed or roasted cauliflower alone (if someone else prepared it) by myself.

So it's funny to me that it's a universally safe but loathed food for dieters.

> Potatoes, though, I could take or leave.

> I'm pleased to say that until this post I hadn't even considered how I will

eat on Thanksgiving Day!

> I'm happy to report, though, that after years of IE I have twice recently

ordered chocolate fondue in restaurants because I was still quite hungry, even

though my companion wasn't, and I ate all the fruit and chocolate, what I

wanted, and didn't touch the little cookies and weird gourmet marshmallows that

came with it. They are not forbidden... I just didn't want them. Mostly because

I don't like how they make me feel. But there was no internal struggle about it!

> Amazing. Finally.

> Best,

> Abby

> IE since 11/08

>

[Guest guest]

The holidays and eating out are much better experiences when you don't feel like

you have to plan and obsess, aren't they? I used to look at the restaurant's

menu online and decide beforehand what I would eat, and I'd have all my holiday

" undoing " diets ready to go. Now I can just show up and do whatever.

And I've never had mashed cauliflower, but it sounds gross!

McKella

> >

> >

> > From: Abigail Wolfson <abigail.wolfson@>

> > Subject: Re: Think ahead to get ahead . . .

> > To: IntuitiveEating_Support

> > Date: Thursday, October 27, 2011, 4:48 PM

> >

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> > It's funny, all that talk of substitutions... when I did a low carb diet,

there was an online support group where there was a lot of chatter about using

cauliflower to make mashed " potatoes " . I remember the highest compliment was,

" it's so good it doesn't even taste like cauliflower! "

> > It just so happens that I ADORE cauliflower -- I could easily eat a whole

head of steamed or roasted cauliflower alone (if someone else prepared it) by

myself. So it's funny to me that it's a universally safe but loathed food for

dieters.

> > Potatoes, though, I could take or leave.

> > I'm pleased to say that until this post I hadn't even considered how I will

eat on Thanksgiving Day!

> > I'm happy to report, though, that after years of IE I have twice recently

ordered chocolate fondue in restaurants because I was still quite hungry, even

though my companion wasn't, and I ate all the fruit and chocolate, what I

wanted, and didn't touch the little cookies and weird gourmet marshmallows that

came with it. They are not forbidden... I just didn't want them. Mostly because

I don't like how they make me feel. But there was no internal struggle about it!

> > Amazing. Finally.

> > Best,

> > Abby

> > IE since 11/08

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The holidays and eating out are much better experiences when you don't feel like

you have to plan and obsess, aren't they? I used to look at the restaurant's

menu online and decide beforehand what I would eat, and I'd have all my holiday

" undoing " diets ready to go. Now I can just show up and do whatever.

And I've never had mashed cauliflower, but it sounds gross!

McKella

> >

> >

> > From: Abigail Wolfson <abigail.wolfson@>

> > Subject: Re: Think ahead to get ahead . . .

> > To: IntuitiveEating_Support

> > Date: Thursday, October 27, 2011, 4:48 PM

> >

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> > It's funny, all that talk of substitutions... when I did a low carb diet,

there was an online support group where there was a lot of chatter about using

cauliflower to make mashed " potatoes " . I remember the highest compliment was,

" it's so good it doesn't even taste like cauliflower! "

> > It just so happens that I ADORE cauliflower -- I could easily eat a whole

head of steamed or roasted cauliflower alone (if someone else prepared it) by

myself. So it's funny to me that it's a universally safe but loathed food for

dieters.

> > Potatoes, though, I could take or leave.

> > I'm pleased to say that until this post I hadn't even considered how I will

eat on Thanksgiving Day!

> > I'm happy to report, though, that after years of IE I have twice recently

ordered chocolate fondue in restaurants because I was still quite hungry, even

though my companion wasn't, and I ate all the fruit and chocolate, what I

wanted, and didn't touch the little cookies and weird gourmet marshmallows that

came with it. They are not forbidden... I just didn't want them. Mostly because

I don't like how they make me feel. But there was no internal struggle about it!

> > Amazing. Finally.

> > Best,

> > Abby

> > IE since 11/08

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The holidays and eating out are much better experiences when you don't feel like

you have to plan and obsess, aren't they? I used to look at the restaurant's

menu online and decide beforehand what I would eat, and I'd have all my holiday

" undoing " diets ready to go. Now I can just show up and do whatever.

And I've never had mashed cauliflower, but it sounds gross!

McKella

> >

> >

> > From: Abigail Wolfson <abigail.wolfson@>

> > Subject: Re: Think ahead to get ahead . . .

> > To: IntuitiveEating_Support

> > Date: Thursday, October 27, 2011, 4:48 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > It's funny, all that talk of substitutions... when I did a low carb diet,

there was an online support group where there was a lot of chatter about using

cauliflower to make mashed " potatoes " . I remember the highest compliment was,

" it's so good it doesn't even taste like cauliflower! "

> > It just so happens that I ADORE cauliflower -- I could easily eat a whole

head of steamed or roasted cauliflower alone (if someone else prepared it) by

myself. So it's funny to me that it's a universally safe but loathed food for

dieters.

> > Potatoes, though, I could take or leave.

> > I'm pleased to say that until this post I hadn't even considered how I will

eat on Thanksgiving Day!

> > I'm happy to report, though, that after years of IE I have twice recently

ordered chocolate fondue in restaurants because I was still quite hungry, even

though my companion wasn't, and I ate all the fruit and chocolate, what I

wanted, and didn't touch the little cookies and weird gourmet marshmallows that

came with it. They are not forbidden... I just didn't want them. Mostly because

I don't like how they make me feel. But there was no internal struggle about it!

> > Amazing. Finally.

> > Best,

> > Abby

> > IE since 11/08

> >

>

[Guest guest]

BINGO!! I say this qualifies for that 'one thing' you gained from IE that was a

topic just a bit ago. Its soooo right and dang easy once you 'get' it.

Bravo and Congrats too :-) :-)

ehugs, Katcha

IEing since March 2007

>

>I guess a lesson I have been learning on one food after another lately is that

fake substitutions just feel unsatisfying. Give me the real thing! I'll eat

far less and feel much more satisfied.

>

> Jane

[Guest guest]

Speaking of eating the real thing, has anyone read Fat Fallacy? I'm starting on it now and it's interesting. It does have rules (similar to some of the Intuitive Eating "rules") and labels certain foods as not desirable, but the main tenants are about slowing down and enjoying your food. It celebrates whole and unadulterated real foods, which I love anyway. Trying to get some good ideas out of it without turning it into a rules-based diet. Let me know what you guys think.

Mimi

Subject: Re: Think ahead to get ahead . . .To: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Saturday, October 29, 2011, 3:42 AM

All these years, I've loved cauliflower - until I ate some "mashed cauliflower" my low-carbing friend served at Thanksgiving last year. Yuck! There IS a way to make it icky! Give me my genuine mashed potatoes and nice steamed cauliflower. I guess a lesson I have been learning on one food after another lately is that fake substitutions just feel unsatisfying. Give me the real thing! I'll eat far less and feel much more satisfied.Jane

[Guest guest]

Speaking of eating the real thing, has anyone read Fat Fallacy? I'm starting on it now and it's interesting. It does have rules (similar to some of the Intuitive Eating "rules") and labels certain foods as not desirable, but the main tenants are about slowing down and enjoying your food. It celebrates whole and unadulterated real foods, which I love anyway. Trying to get some good ideas out of it without turning it into a rules-based diet. Let me know what you guys think.

Mimi

Subject: Re: Think ahead to get ahead . . .To: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Saturday, October 29, 2011, 3:42 AM

All these years, I've loved cauliflower - until I ate some "mashed cauliflower" my low-carbing friend served at Thanksgiving last year. Yuck! There IS a way to make it icky! Give me my genuine mashed potatoes and nice steamed cauliflower. I guess a lesson I have been learning on one food after another lately is that fake substitutions just feel unsatisfying. Give me the real thing! I'll eat far less and feel much more satisfied.Jane

[Guest guest]

I used to look at the restaurant menu online before going, too. I was strictly told by my nutritionist that I must always look at the menu before going to a restaurant so I can make the "right" choices (or course not based on what I actually wanted to eat, but on nutrition guidelines she had laid out) and not be "tempted" to eat something I actually felt like. The trouble was I would do this and then always just get what I wanted anyway. Then I would end up feeling like a real failure. Now I see that as a success. My body overruled my mind and that's usually a good thing!

Mimi

Subject: Re: Think ahead to get ahead . . .To: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Saturday, October 29, 2011, 8:34 AM

The holidays and eating out are much better experiences when you don't feel like you have to plan and obsess, aren't they? I used to look at the restaurant's menu online and decide beforehand what I would eat, and I'd have all my holiday "undoing" diets ready to go. Now I can just show up and do whatever. And I've never had mashed cauliflower, but it sounds gross!McKella

[Guest guest]

I used to look at the restaurant menu online before going, too. I was strictly told by my nutritionist that I must always look at the menu before going to a restaurant so I can make the "right" choices (or course not based on what I actually wanted to eat, but on nutrition guidelines she had laid out) and not be "tempted" to eat something I actually felt like. The trouble was I would do this and then always just get what I wanted anyway. Then I would end up feeling like a real failure. Now I see that as a success. My body overruled my mind and that's usually a good thing!

Mimi

Subject: Re: Think ahead to get ahead . . .To: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Saturday, October 29, 2011, 8:34 AM

The holidays and eating out are much better experiences when you don't feel like you have to plan and obsess, aren't they? I used to look at the restaurant's menu online and decide beforehand what I would eat, and I'd have all my holiday "undoing" diets ready to go. Now I can just show up and do whatever. And I've never had mashed cauliflower, but it sounds gross!McKella

[Guest guest]

I feel like I've spent most of my life trying to convince myself that granola and yogurt is equally as tasty as ice cream with brownie chunks. As I've shared before, I still struggle with wanting the "real thing" and recognizing that the "real thing" makes me feel terrible, sick...drowsy...doped, etc. I want the granola and yogurt to taste like Hagen Daas...because I can eat it, because it makes my body feel good and it seems to fall into that strange mercurial space between depriving myself of good foods to eat and depriving myself of feeling well. I continue to try to lean into this...to work on it with inquiry....what is it that I believe sweet things gives me that I can't get more directly...if that makes any sense. Cheers!

[Guest guest]

I feel like I've spent most of my life trying to convince myself that granola and yogurt is equally as tasty as ice cream with brownie chunks. As I've shared before, I still struggle with wanting the "real thing" and recognizing that the "real thing" makes me feel terrible, sick...drowsy...doped, etc. I want the granola and yogurt to taste like Hagen Daas...because I can eat it, because it makes my body feel good and it seems to fall into that strange mercurial space between depriving myself of good foods to eat and depriving myself of feeling well. I continue to try to lean into this...to work on it with inquiry....what is it that I believe sweet things gives me that I can't get more directly...if that makes any sense. Cheers!

[Guest guest]

I feel like I've spent most of my life trying to convince myself that granola and yogurt is equally as tasty as ice cream with brownie chunks. As I've shared before, I still struggle with wanting the "real thing" and recognizing that the "real thing" makes me feel terrible, sick...drowsy...doped, etc. I want the granola and yogurt to taste like Hagen Daas...because I can eat it, because it makes my body feel good and it seems to fall into that strange mercurial space between depriving myself of good foods to eat and depriving myself of feeling well. I continue to try to lean into this...to work on it with inquiry....what is it that I believe sweet things gives me that I can't get more directly...if that makes any sense. Cheers!

[Guest guest]

Tilly, good points. The crux is to actually like the food you are eating, whether it is a veggie burger or cheese or low-fat yogurt. I like raw cabbage with just a bit of lemon and salt. My father used to make it for me when I was sick and I have good memories of it. I guess to some the idea of raw cabbage would be a wacky and gross "cabbage diet." I guess it's about what is doing the choosing, the mind or the body. I do like the point, too, however, about choosing nutrition within your own framework of preferences. That is where the mind does play a legitimate role. Although that can sometimes get tricky because of the ever changing science of nutrition. For instance I think that full-fat cheese is certain amounts is very healthy, but some may disagree. So I guess it's also about looking at nutrition critically. So many parts! But the best thing is that

we get to be the final decision-makers.

Mimi

Subject: Re: Think ahead to get ahead . . .To: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Monday, October 31, 2011, 11:39 PM

This is an interesting thing to think about, because I probably would have liked that burger. But then I'm not really into hunks of beef all that much and actually like veggie burgers. But this made me think of something that the women who wrote Intuitive Eating were saying when they finally got to the health section, and how, once you've done all the legalizing and recognizing when you're hungry, and feeling your fullness, and savoring your meals, to consider what's healthy, but that's always within the framework of your preferences. She says that with cheese, she could take it or leave it, so she usually doesn't eat it. It's healthier not to, and since she doesn't really care one way or the other, it's an easy thing to do. I love bread, but don't usually put butter on it, or syrup on pancakes, or sugar in my oatmeal, because I like them just fine without them. But if I felt deprived, I would put those things on them. And now, having made that

list, I'm thinking gee, it looks like I really like grains, which I do--the texture and flavor of them, all by themselves. So I'm not leaving off the butter because I'm being virtuous, or counting calories, or to lose weight, but because, for me, it doesn't add all that much, and unless I get a distinct pleasure from it, I might as well just skip it.I also eat neufchâtel cream cheese because I can't really tell the diffence between it and full fat cream cheese, but I think fat free cream cheese is just about the nastiest thing on earth.But some of the "mock" things are quite good, in and of themselves. I guess it is perhaps a shame that they're pretending to be something else. I like baco-bits, and veggie burgers, and lentil-walnut loaf....mmmmmmmmm.But no thanks on the mock mashed potatoes.....Tilley

[Guest guest]

Tilly, good points. The crux is to actually like the food you are eating, whether it is a veggie burger or cheese or low-fat yogurt. I like raw cabbage with just a bit of lemon and salt. My father used to make it for me when I was sick and I have good memories of it. I guess to some the idea of raw cabbage would be a wacky and gross "cabbage diet." I guess it's about what is doing the choosing, the mind or the body. I do like the point, too, however, about choosing nutrition within your own framework of preferences. That is where the mind does play a legitimate role. Although that can sometimes get tricky because of the ever changing science of nutrition. For instance I think that full-fat cheese is certain amounts is very healthy, but some may disagree. So I guess it's also about looking at nutrition critically. So many parts! But the best thing is that

we get to be the final decision-makers.

Mimi

Subject: Re: Think ahead to get ahead . . .To: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Monday, October 31, 2011, 11:39 PM

This is an interesting thing to think about, because I probably would have liked that burger. But then I'm not really into hunks of beef all that much and actually like veggie burgers. But this made me think of something that the women who wrote Intuitive Eating were saying when they finally got to the health section, and how, once you've done all the legalizing and recognizing when you're hungry, and feeling your fullness, and savoring your meals, to consider what's healthy, but that's always within the framework of your preferences. She says that with cheese, she could take it or leave it, so she usually doesn't eat it. It's healthier not to, and since she doesn't really care one way or the other, it's an easy thing to do. I love bread, but don't usually put butter on it, or syrup on pancakes, or sugar in my oatmeal, because I like them just fine without them. But if I felt deprived, I would put those things on them. And now, having made that

list, I'm thinking gee, it looks like I really like grains, which I do--the texture and flavor of them, all by themselves. So I'm not leaving off the butter because I'm being virtuous, or counting calories, or to lose weight, but because, for me, it doesn't add all that much, and unless I get a distinct pleasure from it, I might as well just skip it.I also eat neufchâtel cream cheese because I can't really tell the diffence between it and full fat cream cheese, but I think fat free cream cheese is just about the nastiest thing on earth.But some of the "mock" things are quite good, in and of themselves. I guess it is perhaps a shame that they're pretending to be something else. I like baco-bits, and veggie burgers, and lentil-walnut loaf....mmmmmmmmm.But no thanks on the mock mashed potatoes.....Tilley