Guest guest Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Mimi I agree with much of what you say - huge grocery stores full of heavily processed, ready to eat taste teasers reflect the reality you addressed! What I have always done, and continue to do, is to keep our kitchen as well stocked with fresh and more basic type foods. I CAN have chocolate any time I want it . .. . though I may have to make a pudding or cookies or even icing (which is a good enough candy substitute if placed in the frig.). And when I find myself wanting something 'sweet' I will mentally run thru a list of what's available including fruit - fresh, canned or dried. But then there are times when my little inner self stamps her feet and wants SWEETS! So we go to the kitchen, get out my recipes and appease the rebelling little monster (ha ha). I've often mused that human bodies evolved in a world where 'carb's were are seasonal if not RARE treat. No wonder we are so geared and easily swayed by sweets ;-) But beyond taste and immediate sugar high, one must take into the entire 'sweet' experience such later effects as crashing 'low' after the rush is processed and sluggishness etc. Its almost like the old joke about jumping off a tall building - at every floor its 'good so far!' - but then there's the pavement . . . Intuitive is as intuitive does ;-) Trust yourself and it will work for you. Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > Sara, > > This is something I struggle with, too. I think in theory we are supposed to eventually start choosing a balanced diet because, ultimately, this is what the body wants. However, I also think our choices are manipulated by all the highly-processed packaged food out there with exaggerated amounts of sugar, salt, fat, and chemicals. While in times past (way past), our bodies would have translated the need for the quick energy of sugary foods into a craving for apples or oranges or pears, now it is translated into a craving for Oreos and the like. And when that craving hits, an apple just doesn't cut it. I am committed to the idea that restriction only breeds out-sized cravings, but it bothers me to eat these foods that I don't respect. But seeing these items as " bad " only starts the diet mentality, restriction/binge cycle over again. So, what to do? Is making an effort to eat what I consider to be more healthfully (more vegetables and fruits, which I do > genuinely love) intuitive? > > Mimi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Mimi I agree with much of what you say - huge grocery stores full of heavily processed, ready to eat taste teasers reflect the reality you addressed! What I have always done, and continue to do, is to keep our kitchen as well stocked with fresh and more basic type foods. I CAN have chocolate any time I want it . .. . though I may have to make a pudding or cookies or even icing (which is a good enough candy substitute if placed in the frig.). And when I find myself wanting something 'sweet' I will mentally run thru a list of what's available including fruit - fresh, canned or dried. But then there are times when my little inner self stamps her feet and wants SWEETS! So we go to the kitchen, get out my recipes and appease the rebelling little monster (ha ha). I've often mused that human bodies evolved in a world where 'carb's were are seasonal if not RARE treat. No wonder we are so geared and easily swayed by sweets ;-) But beyond taste and immediate sugar high, one must take into the entire 'sweet' experience such later effects as crashing 'low' after the rush is processed and sluggishness etc. Its almost like the old joke about jumping off a tall building - at every floor its 'good so far!' - but then there's the pavement . . . Intuitive is as intuitive does ;-) Trust yourself and it will work for you. Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > Sara, > > This is something I struggle with, too. I think in theory we are supposed to eventually start choosing a balanced diet because, ultimately, this is what the body wants. However, I also think our choices are manipulated by all the highly-processed packaged food out there with exaggerated amounts of sugar, salt, fat, and chemicals. While in times past (way past), our bodies would have translated the need for the quick energy of sugary foods into a craving for apples or oranges or pears, now it is translated into a craving for Oreos and the like. And when that craving hits, an apple just doesn't cut it. I am committed to the idea that restriction only breeds out-sized cravings, but it bothers me to eat these foods that I don't respect. But seeing these items as " bad " only starts the diet mentality, restriction/binge cycle over again. So, what to do? Is making an effort to eat what I consider to be more healthfully (more vegetables and fruits, which I do > genuinely love) intuitive? > > Mimi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Joanna, I have something similar to your mentality of previously "now allowing" fruits and vegetables. When I was eating "perfectly balanced, nutritious" foods, I would not allow any junk food. However, when I went off my diet and "cheated" I thought I SHOULD eat ONLY junk food, because otherwise I would be "wasting" my one chance to eat junk! If what I really wanted were some crunchy vegetables with a creamy dressing, I would talk myself into something I considered more decedent or "naughty." I guess that's what last supper eating is. Mimi Subject: Re: Scared to give up the scaleTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Monday, September 12, 2011, 11:39 AM Sara,This is in response to your question about whether people who eat intuitively eat a lot of fruits and veggies.I too, worry that I can't trust my body to let me know what it needs. My default eating preference for many years has been anything cheesy or salty. Fruits and veggies have been the LAST thing on my mind!!! One strange thing that used to happen though, was that I had this weird sense that I wasn't ALLOWED to have fruits and veggies. Like I would go to the fridge and have a brief flicker of a thought like, "Gee, that apple looks good," but then this thought was almost instantaneously replaced with "You can't eat that. Eat some cheese" -- which I pretty much always did! Usually, I didn't usually eat more than one veggie/fruit per day -- if that!So the other day, I decided to eat completely intuitively, and made it a point to give myself permission to choose veggies and fruits if (and only if) I wanted them. I had gone to the store, and stocked up on lots of nutritious foods, so I had a lot in my fridge.When the end of the day came, I knew that I had eaten intuitively, and had kept well within fullness/satiety, but I wanted to see how nutritious my choices were, so I wrote a list of everything I had eaten that day. Not quantities, just each item I had eaten. I was SHOCKED at how nutritious my choices were! Just so you can see, I'm going to list everything I ate that day below, grouped by food type. These are just the ingredients, many of these things were combined into recipes.blueberries (twice)red pepperspinach and arugulatomatokiwivegetable juicegrapefruittunabaconplain yogurtcheesecottage cheesewalnuts (twice)olivesrye bread (twice)olive oilbutterwalnut oilbalsamic vinegarpesto (twice)mayonnaiserice wine vinegardark chocolateThe strange thing is that I think I have to actually give myself permission to like and choose fruits and veggies, and to realize that it's okay for me to eat them. I have no idea why I would feel that way, except maybe to say that there may be some part of me that just doesn't think I'm a person who wants fruits and veggies, and therefore doesn't give myself permission to eat them. Weird, I know, but there it is.All this to say that I think learning to give yourself permission to like and eat fruits and veggies is a process, but all in all I do think our bodies can be trusted to tell us what we need -- if we will learn to listen and give ourselves permission to change how we perceive ourselves (as a person who likes fruits and veggies, as opposed to a person who doesn't).Joanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Joanna, I have something similar to your mentality of previously "now allowing" fruits and vegetables. When I was eating "perfectly balanced, nutritious" foods, I would not allow any junk food. However, when I went off my diet and "cheated" I thought I SHOULD eat ONLY junk food, because otherwise I would be "wasting" my one chance to eat junk! If what I really wanted were some crunchy vegetables with a creamy dressing, I would talk myself into something I considered more decedent or "naughty." I guess that's what last supper eating is. Mimi Subject: Re: Scared to give up the scaleTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Monday, September 12, 2011, 11:39 AM Sara,This is in response to your question about whether people who eat intuitively eat a lot of fruits and veggies.I too, worry that I can't trust my body to let me know what it needs. My default eating preference for many years has been anything cheesy or salty. Fruits and veggies have been the LAST thing on my mind!!! One strange thing that used to happen though, was that I had this weird sense that I wasn't ALLOWED to have fruits and veggies. Like I would go to the fridge and have a brief flicker of a thought like, "Gee, that apple looks good," but then this thought was almost instantaneously replaced with "You can't eat that. Eat some cheese" -- which I pretty much always did! Usually, I didn't usually eat more than one veggie/fruit per day -- if that!So the other day, I decided to eat completely intuitively, and made it a point to give myself permission to choose veggies and fruits if (and only if) I wanted them. I had gone to the store, and stocked up on lots of nutritious foods, so I had a lot in my fridge.When the end of the day came, I knew that I had eaten intuitively, and had kept well within fullness/satiety, but I wanted to see how nutritious my choices were, so I wrote a list of everything I had eaten that day. Not quantities, just each item I had eaten. I was SHOCKED at how nutritious my choices were! Just so you can see, I'm going to list everything I ate that day below, grouped by food type. These are just the ingredients, many of these things were combined into recipes.blueberries (twice)red pepperspinach and arugulatomatokiwivegetable juicegrapefruittunabaconplain yogurtcheesecottage cheesewalnuts (twice)olivesrye bread (twice)olive oilbutterwalnut oilbalsamic vinegarpesto (twice)mayonnaiserice wine vinegardark chocolateThe strange thing is that I think I have to actually give myself permission to like and choose fruits and veggies, and to realize that it's okay for me to eat them. I have no idea why I would feel that way, except maybe to say that there may be some part of me that just doesn't think I'm a person who wants fruits and veggies, and therefore doesn't give myself permission to eat them. Weird, I know, but there it is.All this to say that I think learning to give yourself permission to like and eat fruits and veggies is a process, but all in all I do think our bodies can be trusted to tell us what we need -- if we will learn to listen and give ourselves permission to change how we perceive ourselves (as a person who likes fruits and veggies, as opposed to a person who doesn't).Joanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Joanna, I have something similar to your mentality of previously "now allowing" fruits and vegetables. When I was eating "perfectly balanced, nutritious" foods, I would not allow any junk food. However, when I went off my diet and "cheated" I thought I SHOULD eat ONLY junk food, because otherwise I would be "wasting" my one chance to eat junk! If what I really wanted were some crunchy vegetables with a creamy dressing, I would talk myself into something I considered more decedent or "naughty." I guess that's what last supper eating is. Mimi Subject: Re: Scared to give up the scaleTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Monday, September 12, 2011, 11:39 AM Sara,This is in response to your question about whether people who eat intuitively eat a lot of fruits and veggies.I too, worry that I can't trust my body to let me know what it needs. My default eating preference for many years has been anything cheesy or salty. Fruits and veggies have been the LAST thing on my mind!!! One strange thing that used to happen though, was that I had this weird sense that I wasn't ALLOWED to have fruits and veggies. Like I would go to the fridge and have a brief flicker of a thought like, "Gee, that apple looks good," but then this thought was almost instantaneously replaced with "You can't eat that. Eat some cheese" -- which I pretty much always did! Usually, I didn't usually eat more than one veggie/fruit per day -- if that!So the other day, I decided to eat completely intuitively, and made it a point to give myself permission to choose veggies and fruits if (and only if) I wanted them. I had gone to the store, and stocked up on lots of nutritious foods, so I had a lot in my fridge.When the end of the day came, I knew that I had eaten intuitively, and had kept well within fullness/satiety, but I wanted to see how nutritious my choices were, so I wrote a list of everything I had eaten that day. Not quantities, just each item I had eaten. I was SHOCKED at how nutritious my choices were! Just so you can see, I'm going to list everything I ate that day below, grouped by food type. These are just the ingredients, many of these things were combined into recipes.blueberries (twice)red pepperspinach and arugulatomatokiwivegetable juicegrapefruittunabaconplain yogurtcheesecottage cheesewalnuts (twice)olivesrye bread (twice)olive oilbutterwalnut oilbalsamic vinegarpesto (twice)mayonnaiserice wine vinegardark chocolateThe strange thing is that I think I have to actually give myself permission to like and choose fruits and veggies, and to realize that it's okay for me to eat them. I have no idea why I would feel that way, except maybe to say that there may be some part of me that just doesn't think I'm a person who wants fruits and veggies, and therefore doesn't give myself permission to eat them. Weird, I know, but there it is.All this to say that I think learning to give yourself permission to like and eat fruits and veggies is a process, but all in all I do think our bodies can be trusted to tell us what we need -- if we will learn to listen and give ourselves permission to change how we perceive ourselves (as a person who likes fruits and veggies, as opposed to a person who doesn't).Joanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Mimi, I SO totally get your post! > > > > Subject: Re: Scared to give up the scale > To: IntuitiveEating_Support > Date: Monday, September 12, 2011, 11:39 AM > > > > > > > Sara, > > This is in response to your question about whether people who eat intuitively eat a lot of fruits and veggies. > > I too, worry that I can't trust my body to let me know what it needs. My default eating preference for many years has been anything cheesy or salty. Fruits and veggies have been the LAST thing on my mind!!! One strange thing that used to happen though, was that I had this weird sense that I wasn't ALLOWED to have fruits and veggies. Like I would go to the fridge and have a brief flicker of a thought like, " Gee, that apple looks good, " but then this thought was almost instantaneously replaced with " You can't eat that. Eat some cheese " -- which I pretty much always did! Usually, I didn't usually eat more than one veggie/fruit per day -- if that! > > So the other day, I decided to eat completely intuitively, and made it a point to give myself permission to choose veggies and fruits if (and only if) I wanted them. I had gone to the store, and stocked up on lots of nutritious foods, so I had a lot in my fridge. > > When the end of the day came, I knew that I had eaten intuitively, and had kept well within fullness/satiety, but I wanted to see how nutritious my choices were, so I wrote a list of everything I had eaten that day. Not quantities, just each item I had eaten. I was SHOCKED at how nutritious my choices were! Just so you can see, I'm going to list everything I ate that day below, grouped by food type. These are just the ingredients, many of these things were combined into recipes. > > blueberries (twice) > red pepper > spinach and arugula > tomato > kiwi > vegetable juice > grapefruit > > tuna > bacon > > plain yogurt > cheese > cottage cheese > > walnuts (twice) > olives > > rye bread (twice) > > olive oil > butter > walnut oil > balsamic vinegar > pesto (twice) > mayonnaise > rice wine vinegar > > dark chocolate > > The strange thing is that I think I have to actually give myself permission to like and choose fruits and veggies, and to realize that it's okay for me to eat them. I have no idea why I would feel that way, except maybe to say that there may be some part of me that just doesn't think I'm a person who wants fruits and veggies, and therefore doesn't give myself permission to eat them. Weird, I know, but there it is. > > All this to say that I think learning to give yourself permission to like and eat fruits and veggies is a process, but all in all I do think our bodies can be trusted to tell us what we need -- if we will learn to listen and give ourselves permission to change how we perceive ourselves (as a person who likes fruits and veggies, as opposed to a person who doesn't). > > Joanna > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Mimi, I SO totally get your post! > > > > Subject: Re: Scared to give up the scale > To: IntuitiveEating_Support > Date: Monday, September 12, 2011, 11:39 AM > > > > > > > Sara, > > This is in response to your question about whether people who eat intuitively eat a lot of fruits and veggies. > > I too, worry that I can't trust my body to let me know what it needs. My default eating preference for many years has been anything cheesy or salty. Fruits and veggies have been the LAST thing on my mind!!! One strange thing that used to happen though, was that I had this weird sense that I wasn't ALLOWED to have fruits and veggies. Like I would go to the fridge and have a brief flicker of a thought like, " Gee, that apple looks good, " but then this thought was almost instantaneously replaced with " You can't eat that. Eat some cheese " -- which I pretty much always did! Usually, I didn't usually eat more than one veggie/fruit per day -- if that! > > So the other day, I decided to eat completely intuitively, and made it a point to give myself permission to choose veggies and fruits if (and only if) I wanted them. I had gone to the store, and stocked up on lots of nutritious foods, so I had a lot in my fridge. > > When the end of the day came, I knew that I had eaten intuitively, and had kept well within fullness/satiety, but I wanted to see how nutritious my choices were, so I wrote a list of everything I had eaten that day. Not quantities, just each item I had eaten. I was SHOCKED at how nutritious my choices were! Just so you can see, I'm going to list everything I ate that day below, grouped by food type. These are just the ingredients, many of these things were combined into recipes. > > blueberries (twice) > red pepper > spinach and arugula > tomato > kiwi > vegetable juice > grapefruit > > tuna > bacon > > plain yogurt > cheese > cottage cheese > > walnuts (twice) > olives > > rye bread (twice) > > olive oil > butter > walnut oil > balsamic vinegar > pesto (twice) > mayonnaise > rice wine vinegar > > dark chocolate > > The strange thing is that I think I have to actually give myself permission to like and choose fruits and veggies, and to realize that it's okay for me to eat them. I have no idea why I would feel that way, except maybe to say that there may be some part of me that just doesn't think I'm a person who wants fruits and veggies, and therefore doesn't give myself permission to eat them. Weird, I know, but there it is. > > All this to say that I think learning to give yourself permission to like and eat fruits and veggies is a process, but all in all I do think our bodies can be trusted to tell us what we need -- if we will learn to listen and give ourselves permission to change how we perceive ourselves (as a person who likes fruits and veggies, as opposed to a person who doesn't). > > Joanna > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Mimi, I SO totally get your post! > > > > Subject: Re: Scared to give up the scale > To: IntuitiveEating_Support > Date: Monday, September 12, 2011, 11:39 AM > > > > > > > Sara, > > This is in response to your question about whether people who eat intuitively eat a lot of fruits and veggies. > > I too, worry that I can't trust my body to let me know what it needs. My default eating preference for many years has been anything cheesy or salty. Fruits and veggies have been the LAST thing on my mind!!! One strange thing that used to happen though, was that I had this weird sense that I wasn't ALLOWED to have fruits and veggies. Like I would go to the fridge and have a brief flicker of a thought like, " Gee, that apple looks good, " but then this thought was almost instantaneously replaced with " You can't eat that. Eat some cheese " -- which I pretty much always did! Usually, I didn't usually eat more than one veggie/fruit per day -- if that! > > So the other day, I decided to eat completely intuitively, and made it a point to give myself permission to choose veggies and fruits if (and only if) I wanted them. I had gone to the store, and stocked up on lots of nutritious foods, so I had a lot in my fridge. > > When the end of the day came, I knew that I had eaten intuitively, and had kept well within fullness/satiety, but I wanted to see how nutritious my choices were, so I wrote a list of everything I had eaten that day. Not quantities, just each item I had eaten. I was SHOCKED at how nutritious my choices were! Just so you can see, I'm going to list everything I ate that day below, grouped by food type. These are just the ingredients, many of these things were combined into recipes. > > blueberries (twice) > red pepper > spinach and arugula > tomato > kiwi > vegetable juice > grapefruit > > tuna > bacon > > plain yogurt > cheese > cottage cheese > > walnuts (twice) > olives > > rye bread (twice) > > olive oil > butter > walnut oil > balsamic vinegar > pesto (twice) > mayonnaise > rice wine vinegar > > dark chocolate > > The strange thing is that I think I have to actually give myself permission to like and choose fruits and veggies, and to realize that it's okay for me to eat them. I have no idea why I would feel that way, except maybe to say that there may be some part of me that just doesn't think I'm a person who wants fruits and veggies, and therefore doesn't give myself permission to eat them. Weird, I know, but there it is. > > All this to say that I think learning to give yourself permission to like and eat fruits and veggies is a process, but all in all I do think our bodies can be trusted to tell us what we need -- if we will learn to listen and give ourselves permission to change how we perceive ourselves (as a person who likes fruits and veggies, as opposed to a person who doesn't). > > Joanna > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 Excellent post Josie!! You said it soooo well. Thanks for sharing - I found it inspiring and so truthful too. ehugs, Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > Mimi, > > I have had this same struggle. I can be very schizophrenic about food. I consider myself something of a foodie. I'm lucky to live in California where we have an embarrassing wealth of fabulous farmers markets and excellent food available year round, even in many conventional supermarkets. I truly believe in eating healthfully and sustainably and organically whenever possibly. And YET, for a long time, I felt slave to my cravings. Fast food, junk food, the worst processed sugary junk imaginable, that's what I wanted. For months, I could barely bring myself to cook or grocery shop. All I did was eat out or eat junk food. I would sit with my nutritionist in tears because I *really* did want to eat better, but I somehow couldn't make myself do it. It wasn't even a diet, but I was rebelling against my own beliefs! > > But my nutritionist convinced me to stick with it and I did. Now, after what feels like forever, I'm FINALLY starting to crave good foods again. Finally starting to feel like cooking. Finally gaining access to the way the junk foods make me feel. I still eat more of that stuff than I'd like, but I find I'm eating a lot less of it and I find I'm starting to want more of the good stuff. I didn't think it would happen, but when I gave it enough time, my body told me it wanted the good stuff even though the haze of the processed junk. > > So I think it's a difficult line to travel. Eating in ways that honor your body is what we all strive to do, but for me, forcing it wasn't intuitive and led to as big a backlash as dieting did. But the good news is that the junk food wasn't stronger than my body's wisdom. It was able to get through to me, eventually, and it's getting me there, slowly but surely. > > Josie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 Excellent post Josie!! You said it soooo well. Thanks for sharing - I found it inspiring and so truthful too. ehugs, Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > Mimi, > > I have had this same struggle. I can be very schizophrenic about food. I consider myself something of a foodie. I'm lucky to live in California where we have an embarrassing wealth of fabulous farmers markets and excellent food available year round, even in many conventional supermarkets. I truly believe in eating healthfully and sustainably and organically whenever possibly. And YET, for a long time, I felt slave to my cravings. Fast food, junk food, the worst processed sugary junk imaginable, that's what I wanted. For months, I could barely bring myself to cook or grocery shop. All I did was eat out or eat junk food. I would sit with my nutritionist in tears because I *really* did want to eat better, but I somehow couldn't make myself do it. It wasn't even a diet, but I was rebelling against my own beliefs! > > But my nutritionist convinced me to stick with it and I did. Now, after what feels like forever, I'm FINALLY starting to crave good foods again. Finally starting to feel like cooking. Finally gaining access to the way the junk foods make me feel. I still eat more of that stuff than I'd like, but I find I'm eating a lot less of it and I find I'm starting to want more of the good stuff. I didn't think it would happen, but when I gave it enough time, my body told me it wanted the good stuff even though the haze of the processed junk. > > So I think it's a difficult line to travel. Eating in ways that honor your body is what we all strive to do, but for me, forcing it wasn't intuitive and led to as big a backlash as dieting did. But the good news is that the junk food wasn't stronger than my body's wisdom. It was able to get through to me, eventually, and it's getting me there, slowly but surely. > > Josie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 Excellent post Josie!! You said it soooo well. Thanks for sharing - I found it inspiring and so truthful too. ehugs, Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > Mimi, > > I have had this same struggle. I can be very schizophrenic about food. I consider myself something of a foodie. I'm lucky to live in California where we have an embarrassing wealth of fabulous farmers markets and excellent food available year round, even in many conventional supermarkets. I truly believe in eating healthfully and sustainably and organically whenever possibly. And YET, for a long time, I felt slave to my cravings. Fast food, junk food, the worst processed sugary junk imaginable, that's what I wanted. For months, I could barely bring myself to cook or grocery shop. All I did was eat out or eat junk food. I would sit with my nutritionist in tears because I *really* did want to eat better, but I somehow couldn't make myself do it. It wasn't even a diet, but I was rebelling against my own beliefs! > > But my nutritionist convinced me to stick with it and I did. Now, after what feels like forever, I'm FINALLY starting to crave good foods again. Finally starting to feel like cooking. Finally gaining access to the way the junk foods make me feel. I still eat more of that stuff than I'd like, but I find I'm eating a lot less of it and I find I'm starting to want more of the good stuff. I didn't think it would happen, but when I gave it enough time, my body told me it wanted the good stuff even though the haze of the processed junk. > > So I think it's a difficult line to travel. Eating in ways that honor your body is what we all strive to do, but for me, forcing it wasn't intuitive and led to as big a backlash as dieting did. But the good news is that the junk food wasn't stronger than my body's wisdom. It was able to get through to me, eventually, and it's getting me there, slowly but surely. > > Josie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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