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Mimi I agree with much of what you say - huge grocery stores full of heavily

processed, ready to eat taste teasers reflect the reality you addressed! What I

have always done, and continue to do, is to keep our kitchen as well stocked

with fresh and more basic type foods. I CAN have chocolate any time I want it .

.. . though I may have to make a pudding or cookies or even icing (which is a

good enough candy substitute if placed in the frig.). And when I find myself

wanting something 'sweet' I will mentally run thru a list of what's available

including fruit - fresh, canned or dried.

But then there are times when my little inner self stamps her feet and wants

SWEETS! So we go to the kitchen, get out my recipes and appease the rebelling

little monster (ha ha).

I've often mused that human bodies evolved in a world where 'carb's were are

seasonal if not RARE treat. No wonder we are so geared and easily swayed by

sweets ;-) But beyond taste and immediate sugar high, one must take into the

entire 'sweet' experience such later effects as crashing 'low' after the rush is

processed and sluggishness etc. Its almost like the old joke about jumping off a

tall building - at every floor its 'good so far!' - but then there's the

pavement . . .

Intuitive is as intuitive does ;-) Trust yourself and it will work for you.

Katcha

IEing since March 2007

>

> Sara,

>  

> This is something I struggle with, too. I think in theory we are supposed to

eventually start choosing a balanced diet because, ultimately, this is what the

body wants. However, I also think our choices are manipulated by all the

highly-processed packaged food out there with exaggerated amounts of sugar,

salt, fat, and  chemicals. While in times past (way past), our bodies would have

translated the need for the quick energy of sugary foods into a craving for

apples or oranges or pears, now it is translated into a craving for Oreos and

the like. And when that craving hits, an apple just doesn't cut it. I am

committed to the idea that restriction only breeds out-sized cravings, but it

bothers me to eat these foods that I don't respect. But seeing these items as

" bad " only starts the diet mentality, restriction/binge cycle over again. So,

what to do? Is making an effort to eat what I consider to be more healthfully

(more vegetables and fruits, which I do

> genuinely love) intuitive?

>  

> Mimi

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Mimi I agree with much of what you say - huge grocery stores full of heavily

processed, ready to eat taste teasers reflect the reality you addressed! What I

have always done, and continue to do, is to keep our kitchen as well stocked

with fresh and more basic type foods. I CAN have chocolate any time I want it .

.. . though I may have to make a pudding or cookies or even icing (which is a

good enough candy substitute if placed in the frig.). And when I find myself

wanting something 'sweet' I will mentally run thru a list of what's available

including fruit - fresh, canned or dried.

But then there are times when my little inner self stamps her feet and wants

SWEETS! So we go to the kitchen, get out my recipes and appease the rebelling

little monster (ha ha).

I've often mused that human bodies evolved in a world where 'carb's were are

seasonal if not RARE treat. No wonder we are so geared and easily swayed by

sweets ;-) But beyond taste and immediate sugar high, one must take into the

entire 'sweet' experience such later effects as crashing 'low' after the rush is

processed and sluggishness etc. Its almost like the old joke about jumping off a

tall building - at every floor its 'good so far!' - but then there's the

pavement . . .

Intuitive is as intuitive does ;-) Trust yourself and it will work for you.

Katcha

IEing since March 2007

>

> Sara,

>  

> This is something I struggle with, too. I think in theory we are supposed to

eventually start choosing a balanced diet because, ultimately, this is what the

body wants. However, I also think our choices are manipulated by all the

highly-processed packaged food out there with exaggerated amounts of sugar,

salt, fat, and  chemicals. While in times past (way past), our bodies would have

translated the need for the quick energy of sugary foods into a craving for

apples or oranges or pears, now it is translated into a craving for Oreos and

the like. And when that craving hits, an apple just doesn't cut it. I am

committed to the idea that restriction only breeds out-sized cravings, but it

bothers me to eat these foods that I don't respect. But seeing these items as

" bad " only starts the diet mentality, restriction/binge cycle over again. So,

what to do? Is making an effort to eat what I consider to be more healthfully

(more vegetables and fruits, which I do

> genuinely love) intuitive?

>  

> Mimi

>

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Joanna,

I have something similar to your mentality of previously "now allowing" fruits and vegetables. When I was eating "perfectly balanced, nutritious" foods, I would not allow any junk food. However, when I went off my diet and "cheated" I thought I SHOULD eat ONLY junk food, because otherwise I would be "wasting" my one chance to eat junk! If what I really wanted were some crunchy vegetables with a creamy dressing, I would talk myself into something I considered more decedent or "naughty." I guess that's what last supper eating is.

Mimi

Subject: Re: Scared to give up the scaleTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Monday, September 12, 2011, 11:39 AM

Sara,This is in response to your question about whether people who eat intuitively eat a lot of fruits and veggies.I too, worry that I can't trust my body to let me know what it needs. My default eating preference for many years has been anything cheesy or salty. Fruits and veggies have been the LAST thing on my mind!!! One strange thing that used to happen though, was that I had this weird sense that I wasn't ALLOWED to have fruits and veggies. Like I would go to the fridge and have a brief flicker of a thought like, "Gee, that apple looks good," but then this thought was almost instantaneously replaced with "You can't eat that. Eat some cheese" -- which I pretty much always did! Usually, I didn't usually eat more than one veggie/fruit per day -- if that!So the other day, I decided to eat completely intuitively, and made it a point to give myself permission to choose veggies and fruits if (and only if) I wanted them. I had

gone to the store, and stocked up on lots of nutritious foods, so I had a lot in my fridge.When the end of the day came, I knew that I had eaten intuitively, and had kept well within fullness/satiety, but I wanted to see how nutritious my choices were, so I wrote a list of everything I had eaten that day. Not quantities, just each item I had eaten. I was SHOCKED at how nutritious my choices were! Just so you can see, I'm going to list everything I ate that day below, grouped by food type. These are just the ingredients, many of these things were combined into recipes.blueberries (twice)red pepperspinach and arugulatomatokiwivegetable juicegrapefruittunabaconplain yogurtcheesecottage cheesewalnuts (twice)olivesrye bread (twice)olive oilbutterwalnut oilbalsamic vinegarpesto (twice)mayonnaiserice wine vinegardark

chocolateThe strange thing is that I think I have to actually give myself permission to like and choose fruits and veggies, and to realize that it's okay for me to eat them. I have no idea why I would feel that way, except maybe to say that there may be some part of me that just doesn't think I'm a person who wants fruits and veggies, and therefore doesn't give myself permission to eat them. Weird, I know, but there it is.All this to say that I think learning to give yourself permission to like and eat fruits and veggies is a process, but all in all I do think our bodies can be trusted to tell us what we need -- if we will learn to listen and give ourselves permission to change how we perceive ourselves (as a person who likes fruits and veggies, as opposed to a person who doesn't).Joanna

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Joanna,

I have something similar to your mentality of previously "now allowing" fruits and vegetables. When I was eating "perfectly balanced, nutritious" foods, I would not allow any junk food. However, when I went off my diet and "cheated" I thought I SHOULD eat ONLY junk food, because otherwise I would be "wasting" my one chance to eat junk! If what I really wanted were some crunchy vegetables with a creamy dressing, I would talk myself into something I considered more decedent or "naughty." I guess that's what last supper eating is.

Mimi

Subject: Re: Scared to give up the scaleTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Monday, September 12, 2011, 11:39 AM

Sara,This is in response to your question about whether people who eat intuitively eat a lot of fruits and veggies.I too, worry that I can't trust my body to let me know what it needs. My default eating preference for many years has been anything cheesy or salty. Fruits and veggies have been the LAST thing on my mind!!! One strange thing that used to happen though, was that I had this weird sense that I wasn't ALLOWED to have fruits and veggies. Like I would go to the fridge and have a brief flicker of a thought like, "Gee, that apple looks good," but then this thought was almost instantaneously replaced with "You can't eat that. Eat some cheese" -- which I pretty much always did! Usually, I didn't usually eat more than one veggie/fruit per day -- if that!So the other day, I decided to eat completely intuitively, and made it a point to give myself permission to choose veggies and fruits if (and only if) I wanted them. I had

gone to the store, and stocked up on lots of nutritious foods, so I had a lot in my fridge.When the end of the day came, I knew that I had eaten intuitively, and had kept well within fullness/satiety, but I wanted to see how nutritious my choices were, so I wrote a list of everything I had eaten that day. Not quantities, just each item I had eaten. I was SHOCKED at how nutritious my choices were! Just so you can see, I'm going to list everything I ate that day below, grouped by food type. These are just the ingredients, many of these things were combined into recipes.blueberries (twice)red pepperspinach and arugulatomatokiwivegetable juicegrapefruittunabaconplain yogurtcheesecottage cheesewalnuts (twice)olivesrye bread (twice)olive oilbutterwalnut oilbalsamic vinegarpesto (twice)mayonnaiserice wine vinegardark

chocolateThe strange thing is that I think I have to actually give myself permission to like and choose fruits and veggies, and to realize that it's okay for me to eat them. I have no idea why I would feel that way, except maybe to say that there may be some part of me that just doesn't think I'm a person who wants fruits and veggies, and therefore doesn't give myself permission to eat them. Weird, I know, but there it is.All this to say that I think learning to give yourself permission to like and eat fruits and veggies is a process, but all in all I do think our bodies can be trusted to tell us what we need -- if we will learn to listen and give ourselves permission to change how we perceive ourselves (as a person who likes fruits and veggies, as opposed to a person who doesn't).Joanna

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Joanna,

I have something similar to your mentality of previously "now allowing" fruits and vegetables. When I was eating "perfectly balanced, nutritious" foods, I would not allow any junk food. However, when I went off my diet and "cheated" I thought I SHOULD eat ONLY junk food, because otherwise I would be "wasting" my one chance to eat junk! If what I really wanted were some crunchy vegetables with a creamy dressing, I would talk myself into something I considered more decedent or "naughty." I guess that's what last supper eating is.

Mimi

Subject: Re: Scared to give up the scaleTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Monday, September 12, 2011, 11:39 AM

Sara,This is in response to your question about whether people who eat intuitively eat a lot of fruits and veggies.I too, worry that I can't trust my body to let me know what it needs. My default eating preference for many years has been anything cheesy or salty. Fruits and veggies have been the LAST thing on my mind!!! One strange thing that used to happen though, was that I had this weird sense that I wasn't ALLOWED to have fruits and veggies. Like I would go to the fridge and have a brief flicker of a thought like, "Gee, that apple looks good," but then this thought was almost instantaneously replaced with "You can't eat that. Eat some cheese" -- which I pretty much always did! Usually, I didn't usually eat more than one veggie/fruit per day -- if that!So the other day, I decided to eat completely intuitively, and made it a point to give myself permission to choose veggies and fruits if (and only if) I wanted them. I had

gone to the store, and stocked up on lots of nutritious foods, so I had a lot in my fridge.When the end of the day came, I knew that I had eaten intuitively, and had kept well within fullness/satiety, but I wanted to see how nutritious my choices were, so I wrote a list of everything I had eaten that day. Not quantities, just each item I had eaten. I was SHOCKED at how nutritious my choices were! Just so you can see, I'm going to list everything I ate that day below, grouped by food type. These are just the ingredients, many of these things were combined into recipes.blueberries (twice)red pepperspinach and arugulatomatokiwivegetable juicegrapefruittunabaconplain yogurtcheesecottage cheesewalnuts (twice)olivesrye bread (twice)olive oilbutterwalnut oilbalsamic vinegarpesto (twice)mayonnaiserice wine vinegardark

chocolateThe strange thing is that I think I have to actually give myself permission to like and choose fruits and veggies, and to realize that it's okay for me to eat them. I have no idea why I would feel that way, except maybe to say that there may be some part of me that just doesn't think I'm a person who wants fruits and veggies, and therefore doesn't give myself permission to eat them. Weird, I know, but there it is.All this to say that I think learning to give yourself permission to like and eat fruits and veggies is a process, but all in all I do think our bodies can be trusted to tell us what we need -- if we will learn to listen and give ourselves permission to change how we perceive ourselves (as a person who likes fruits and veggies, as opposed to a person who doesn't).Joanna

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Mimi,

I SO totally get your post!

>

>

>

> Subject: Re: Scared to give up the scale

> To: IntuitiveEating_Support

> Date: Monday, September 12, 2011, 11:39 AM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Sara,

>

> This is in response to your question about whether people who eat intuitively

eat a lot of fruits and veggies.

>

> I too, worry that I can't trust my body to let me know what it needs. My

default eating preference for many years has been anything cheesy or salty.

Fruits and veggies have been the LAST thing on my mind!!! One strange thing that

used to happen though, was that I had this weird sense that I wasn't ALLOWED to

have fruits and veggies. Like I would go to the fridge and have a brief flicker

of a thought like, " Gee, that apple looks good, " but then this thought was

almost instantaneously replaced with " You can't eat that. Eat some cheese " --

which I pretty much always did! Usually, I didn't usually eat more than one

veggie/fruit per day -- if that!

>

> So the other day, I decided to eat completely intuitively, and made it a point

to give myself permission to choose veggies and fruits if (and only if) I wanted

them. I had gone to the store, and stocked up on lots of nutritious foods, so I

had a lot in my fridge.

>

> When the end of the day came, I knew that I had eaten intuitively, and had

kept well within fullness/satiety, but I wanted to see how nutritious my choices

were, so I wrote a list of everything I had eaten that day. Not quantities, just

each item I had eaten. I was SHOCKED at how nutritious my choices were! Just so

you can see, I'm going to list everything I ate that day below, grouped by food

type. These are just the ingredients, many of these things were combined into

recipes.

>

> blueberries (twice)

> red pepper

> spinach and arugula

> tomato

> kiwi

> vegetable juice

> grapefruit

>

> tuna

> bacon

>

> plain yogurt

> cheese

> cottage cheese

>

> walnuts (twice)

> olives

>

> rye bread (twice)

>

> olive oil

> butter

> walnut oil

> balsamic vinegar

> pesto (twice)

> mayonnaise

> rice wine vinegar

>

> dark chocolate

>

> The strange thing is that I think I have to actually give myself permission to

like and choose fruits and veggies, and to realize that it's okay for me to eat

them. I have no idea why I would feel that way, except maybe to say that there

may be some part of me that just doesn't think I'm a person who wants fruits and

veggies, and therefore doesn't give myself permission to eat them. Weird, I

know, but there it is.

>

> All this to say that I think learning to give yourself permission to like and

eat fruits and veggies is a process, but all in all I do think our bodies can be

trusted to tell us what we need -- if we will learn to listen and give ourselves

permission to change how we perceive ourselves (as a person who likes fruits and

veggies, as opposed to a person who doesn't).

>

> Joanna

>

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Mimi,

I SO totally get your post!

>

>

>

> Subject: Re: Scared to give up the scale

> To: IntuitiveEating_Support

> Date: Monday, September 12, 2011, 11:39 AM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Sara,

>

> This is in response to your question about whether people who eat intuitively

eat a lot of fruits and veggies.

>

> I too, worry that I can't trust my body to let me know what it needs. My

default eating preference for many years has been anything cheesy or salty.

Fruits and veggies have been the LAST thing on my mind!!! One strange thing that

used to happen though, was that I had this weird sense that I wasn't ALLOWED to

have fruits and veggies. Like I would go to the fridge and have a brief flicker

of a thought like, " Gee, that apple looks good, " but then this thought was

almost instantaneously replaced with " You can't eat that. Eat some cheese " --

which I pretty much always did! Usually, I didn't usually eat more than one

veggie/fruit per day -- if that!

>

> So the other day, I decided to eat completely intuitively, and made it a point

to give myself permission to choose veggies and fruits if (and only if) I wanted

them. I had gone to the store, and stocked up on lots of nutritious foods, so I

had a lot in my fridge.

>

> When the end of the day came, I knew that I had eaten intuitively, and had

kept well within fullness/satiety, but I wanted to see how nutritious my choices

were, so I wrote a list of everything I had eaten that day. Not quantities, just

each item I had eaten. I was SHOCKED at how nutritious my choices were! Just so

you can see, I'm going to list everything I ate that day below, grouped by food

type. These are just the ingredients, many of these things were combined into

recipes.

>

> blueberries (twice)

> red pepper

> spinach and arugula

> tomato

> kiwi

> vegetable juice

> grapefruit

>

> tuna

> bacon

>

> plain yogurt

> cheese

> cottage cheese

>

> walnuts (twice)

> olives

>

> rye bread (twice)

>

> olive oil

> butter

> walnut oil

> balsamic vinegar

> pesto (twice)

> mayonnaise

> rice wine vinegar

>

> dark chocolate

>

> The strange thing is that I think I have to actually give myself permission to

like and choose fruits and veggies, and to realize that it's okay for me to eat

them. I have no idea why I would feel that way, except maybe to say that there

may be some part of me that just doesn't think I'm a person who wants fruits and

veggies, and therefore doesn't give myself permission to eat them. Weird, I

know, but there it is.

>

> All this to say that I think learning to give yourself permission to like and

eat fruits and veggies is a process, but all in all I do think our bodies can be

trusted to tell us what we need -- if we will learn to listen and give ourselves

permission to change how we perceive ourselves (as a person who likes fruits and

veggies, as opposed to a person who doesn't).

>

> Joanna

>

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Mimi,

I SO totally get your post!

>

>

>

> Subject: Re: Scared to give up the scale

> To: IntuitiveEating_Support

> Date: Monday, September 12, 2011, 11:39 AM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Sara,

>

> This is in response to your question about whether people who eat intuitively

eat a lot of fruits and veggies.

>

> I too, worry that I can't trust my body to let me know what it needs. My

default eating preference for many years has been anything cheesy or salty.

Fruits and veggies have been the LAST thing on my mind!!! One strange thing that

used to happen though, was that I had this weird sense that I wasn't ALLOWED to

have fruits and veggies. Like I would go to the fridge and have a brief flicker

of a thought like, " Gee, that apple looks good, " but then this thought was

almost instantaneously replaced with " You can't eat that. Eat some cheese " --

which I pretty much always did! Usually, I didn't usually eat more than one

veggie/fruit per day -- if that!

>

> So the other day, I decided to eat completely intuitively, and made it a point

to give myself permission to choose veggies and fruits if (and only if) I wanted

them. I had gone to the store, and stocked up on lots of nutritious foods, so I

had a lot in my fridge.

>

> When the end of the day came, I knew that I had eaten intuitively, and had

kept well within fullness/satiety, but I wanted to see how nutritious my choices

were, so I wrote a list of everything I had eaten that day. Not quantities, just

each item I had eaten. I was SHOCKED at how nutritious my choices were! Just so

you can see, I'm going to list everything I ate that day below, grouped by food

type. These are just the ingredients, many of these things were combined into

recipes.

>

> blueberries (twice)

> red pepper

> spinach and arugula

> tomato

> kiwi

> vegetable juice

> grapefruit

>

> tuna

> bacon

>

> plain yogurt

> cheese

> cottage cheese

>

> walnuts (twice)

> olives

>

> rye bread (twice)

>

> olive oil

> butter

> walnut oil

> balsamic vinegar

> pesto (twice)

> mayonnaise

> rice wine vinegar

>

> dark chocolate

>

> The strange thing is that I think I have to actually give myself permission to

like and choose fruits and veggies, and to realize that it's okay for me to eat

them. I have no idea why I would feel that way, except maybe to say that there

may be some part of me that just doesn't think I'm a person who wants fruits and

veggies, and therefore doesn't give myself permission to eat them. Weird, I

know, but there it is.

>

> All this to say that I think learning to give yourself permission to like and

eat fruits and veggies is a process, but all in all I do think our bodies can be

trusted to tell us what we need -- if we will learn to listen and give ourselves

permission to change how we perceive ourselves (as a person who likes fruits and

veggies, as opposed to a person who doesn't).

>

> Joanna

>

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Excellent post Josie!! You said it soooo well. Thanks for sharing - I found it

inspiring and so truthful too.

ehugs, Katcha

IEing since March 2007

>

> Mimi,

>

> I have had this same struggle. I can be very schizophrenic about food. I

consider myself something of a foodie. I'm lucky to live in California where we

have an embarrassing wealth of fabulous farmers markets and excellent food

available year round, even in many conventional supermarkets. I truly believe

in eating healthfully and sustainably and organically whenever possibly. And

YET, for a long time, I felt slave to my cravings. Fast food, junk food, the

worst processed sugary junk imaginable, that's what I wanted. For months, I

could barely bring myself to cook or grocery shop. All I did was eat out or eat

junk food. I would sit with my nutritionist in tears because I *really* did

want to eat better, but I somehow couldn't make myself do it. It wasn't even a

diet, but I was rebelling against my own beliefs!

>

> But my nutritionist convinced me to stick with it and I did. Now, after what

feels like forever, I'm FINALLY starting to crave good foods again. Finally

starting to feel like cooking. Finally gaining access to the way the junk foods

make me feel. I still eat more of that stuff than I'd like, but I find I'm

eating a lot less of it and I find I'm starting to want more of the good stuff.

I didn't think it would happen, but when I gave it enough time, my body told me

it wanted the good stuff even though the haze of the processed junk.

>

> So I think it's a difficult line to travel. Eating in ways that honor your

body is what we all strive to do, but for me, forcing it wasn't intuitive and

led to as big a backlash as dieting did. But the good news is that the junk

food wasn't stronger than my body's wisdom. It was able to get through to me,

eventually, and it's getting me there, slowly but surely.

>

> Josie

>

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Excellent post Josie!! You said it soooo well. Thanks for sharing - I found it

inspiring and so truthful too.

ehugs, Katcha

IEing since March 2007

>

> Mimi,

>

> I have had this same struggle. I can be very schizophrenic about food. I

consider myself something of a foodie. I'm lucky to live in California where we

have an embarrassing wealth of fabulous farmers markets and excellent food

available year round, even in many conventional supermarkets. I truly believe

in eating healthfully and sustainably and organically whenever possibly. And

YET, for a long time, I felt slave to my cravings. Fast food, junk food, the

worst processed sugary junk imaginable, that's what I wanted. For months, I

could barely bring myself to cook or grocery shop. All I did was eat out or eat

junk food. I would sit with my nutritionist in tears because I *really* did

want to eat better, but I somehow couldn't make myself do it. It wasn't even a

diet, but I was rebelling against my own beliefs!

>

> But my nutritionist convinced me to stick with it and I did. Now, after what

feels like forever, I'm FINALLY starting to crave good foods again. Finally

starting to feel like cooking. Finally gaining access to the way the junk foods

make me feel. I still eat more of that stuff than I'd like, but I find I'm

eating a lot less of it and I find I'm starting to want more of the good stuff.

I didn't think it would happen, but when I gave it enough time, my body told me

it wanted the good stuff even though the haze of the processed junk.

>

> So I think it's a difficult line to travel. Eating in ways that honor your

body is what we all strive to do, but for me, forcing it wasn't intuitive and

led to as big a backlash as dieting did. But the good news is that the junk

food wasn't stronger than my body's wisdom. It was able to get through to me,

eventually, and it's getting me there, slowly but surely.

>

> Josie

>

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Excellent post Josie!! You said it soooo well. Thanks for sharing - I found it

inspiring and so truthful too.

ehugs, Katcha

IEing since March 2007

>

> Mimi,

>

> I have had this same struggle. I can be very schizophrenic about food. I

consider myself something of a foodie. I'm lucky to live in California where we

have an embarrassing wealth of fabulous farmers markets and excellent food

available year round, even in many conventional supermarkets. I truly believe

in eating healthfully and sustainably and organically whenever possibly. And

YET, for a long time, I felt slave to my cravings. Fast food, junk food, the

worst processed sugary junk imaginable, that's what I wanted. For months, I

could barely bring myself to cook or grocery shop. All I did was eat out or eat

junk food. I would sit with my nutritionist in tears because I *really* did

want to eat better, but I somehow couldn't make myself do it. It wasn't even a

diet, but I was rebelling against my own beliefs!

>

> But my nutritionist convinced me to stick with it and I did. Now, after what

feels like forever, I'm FINALLY starting to crave good foods again. Finally

starting to feel like cooking. Finally gaining access to the way the junk foods

make me feel. I still eat more of that stuff than I'd like, but I find I'm

eating a lot less of it and I find I'm starting to want more of the good stuff.

I didn't think it would happen, but when I gave it enough time, my body told me

it wanted the good stuff even though the haze of the processed junk.

>

> So I think it's a difficult line to travel. Eating in ways that honor your

body is what we all strive to do, but for me, forcing it wasn't intuitive and

led to as big a backlash as dieting did. But the good news is that the junk

food wasn't stronger than my body's wisdom. It was able to get through to me,

eventually, and it's getting me there, slowly but surely.

>

> Josie

>

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