Re: Update RE my nada's situation

[Guest guest]

Well Annie, this is a good step and like you I hope she'll follow through!

It's a shame she wouldn't stay on the antidepressants before, it sounds

like they were actually helping. Though I do understand intolerable side

effects, but she had lots of other options other than just stopping them.

Like you, I'm also surprised she's not on an antipsychotic. I'm not sure

of her age, but the doctor may be reluctant to Rx them if she is elderly.

And some PCP's won't Rx them at all, they leave that to the psychiatrist.

So hard to say there what his line of thinking was.

I'm not at all surprised that your nada felt the way she did about therapy

in the past. Of course there's nothing wrong with her! It MUST be you

guys. Now you know I don't mean that, I hope. Just being sarcastic. But

yeah, sounds like typical nada thinking to me. Sounds like my own nada too.

But yes, one day at a time. When I've tried to take 2 at a time, it just

doesn't work out so hot!

Mia

[Guest guest]

Annie,I'm glad your aunt has been able to get through to your nada.Fingers

crossed that she'll keep her appointment with the psychiatrist,too.Perhaps the

GP is unable to prescribe anti-psychotics? Or that a psychiatrist would be

better informed as to which kind of anti-psychotic med to prescribe/for how

long? I know that the a-typical anti-psychotic Risperadone (Risperdal)has been

banned in the U.K. for the treatment of dementia in the elderly as research

revealed that over time it can actually *accelerate* the process of dementia in

elderly females in particular--it can also cause sudden heart failure and

pneumonia.This research study resulted in a general advisory against the

longterm use of anti-psychotics in the geriatric population who are suffering

from dementia and although I don't believe that Risperadone prescription for

that population has been banned in the US,apparently many psychiatrists and

doctors here do heed the general advisory.

Here's a brief article on the subject:

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/134921.php

Certainly all you can do is take it one day at a time but I hope she'll

continue to cooperate,at least long enough to get her under a psychiatrist's

care.

>

> Hi, its me, Annie. I created a new account with a different IP and

" re-joined " the Group to see if that stops the unwanted iTunes automated

responses from appearing.

>

> Anyway, I heard from my Sister that our nada did go to see her regular doctor

(general practitioner) and he prescribed some meds for her. I think Sister said

antidepressants, which confuses me because our nada is hallucinating more often

now (which would mean she needs anti-psychotic meds, one would think?) In any

case, Sister also said that nada's regular doctor got nada to agree to see a

psychiatrist and made an appointment for her. Yay!! I didn't think she'd agree

to do that, to be honest. We'll see if she follows through and actually goes.

>

> About 4 years ago nada had agreed to go on antidepressants, but she said they

made her feel " weird " and refused to continue taking them when the prescription

ran out. Sister said the improvement in nada's behavior toward her was like " a

little miracle " and was sorely disappointed when nada refused to continue taking

those meds. It would seem that nada prefers her familiar negative mind-set;

just feeling " regular " instead of actively hostile and cranky felt " weird " to

nada. Here's hoping that this time nada will agree to stay on the

antidepressants.

>

> So, Sister and I just take it one day at a time. Thank goodness for our

Aunt2's help with this. Nada has always liked her younger sister (although they

have never been really close) and nada doesn't have the history of

disappointment and negative feelings RE her younger sister that she does with my

Sister and me and her own older sister (whom she has always openly loathed.)

So, Aunt2 was able to get nada to see her regular doctor, which is a step in the

right direction.

>

> Keep your fingers crossed for us that nada will agree to go see the

psychiatrist. Sister will let the psychiatrist know that if he or she wants the

information, nada's psychologist is available to consult with RE her two years

of therapy with him.

>

> I also found out from Sister that our nada never liked the psychologist except

for the first few sessions; nada was (somehow) under the impression that she was

going to therapy to learn how to " help " Sister and me because *we* have

emotional problems (!?) Once it became clear that the therapy was about nada

herself, she painted the therapist black and only continued to see him (off and

on) because Sister and I made that a condition of resuming contact with her.

So, she only went under duress (basically, we gave her an ultimatum) and nada

got very little if anything out of the therapy. She is still convinced that

there is nothing wrong with her, and its Sister and me who are the crazy,

hateful, lying ones.

>

> " Just one day at a time " ... maybe I'll come up with some bpd-related new

lyrics for that title...! (sung to the tune of " One Toke Over The Line " by

Brewer and Shipley)

>

> -Annie

[Guest guest]

Annie,I'm glad your aunt has been able to get through to your nada.Fingers

crossed that she'll keep her appointment with the psychiatrist,too.Perhaps the

GP is unable to prescribe anti-psychotics? Or that a psychiatrist would be

better informed as to which kind of anti-psychotic med to prescribe/for how

long? I know that the a-typical anti-psychotic Risperadone (Risperdal)has been

banned in the U.K. for the treatment of dementia in the elderly as research

revealed that over time it can actually *accelerate* the process of dementia in

elderly females in particular--it can also cause sudden heart failure and

pneumonia.This research study resulted in a general advisory against the

longterm use of anti-psychotics in the geriatric population who are suffering

from dementia and although I don't believe that Risperadone prescription for

that population has been banned in the US,apparently many psychiatrists and

doctors here do heed the general advisory.

Here's a brief article on the subject:

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/134921.php

Certainly all you can do is take it one day at a time but I hope she'll

continue to cooperate,at least long enough to get her under a psychiatrist's

care.

>

> Hi, its me, Annie. I created a new account with a different IP and

" re-joined " the Group to see if that stops the unwanted iTunes automated

responses from appearing.

>

> Anyway, I heard from my Sister that our nada did go to see her regular doctor

(general practitioner) and he prescribed some meds for her. I think Sister said

antidepressants, which confuses me because our nada is hallucinating more often

now (which would mean she needs anti-psychotic meds, one would think?) In any

case, Sister also said that nada's regular doctor got nada to agree to see a

psychiatrist and made an appointment for her. Yay!! I didn't think she'd agree

to do that, to be honest. We'll see if she follows through and actually goes.

>

> About 4 years ago nada had agreed to go on antidepressants, but she said they

made her feel " weird " and refused to continue taking them when the prescription

ran out. Sister said the improvement in nada's behavior toward her was like " a

little miracle " and was sorely disappointed when nada refused to continue taking

those meds. It would seem that nada prefers her familiar negative mind-set;

just feeling " regular " instead of actively hostile and cranky felt " weird " to

nada. Here's hoping that this time nada will agree to stay on the

antidepressants.

>

> So, Sister and I just take it one day at a time. Thank goodness for our

Aunt2's help with this. Nada has always liked her younger sister (although they

have never been really close) and nada doesn't have the history of

disappointment and negative feelings RE her younger sister that she does with my

Sister and me and her own older sister (whom she has always openly loathed.)

So, Aunt2 was able to get nada to see her regular doctor, which is a step in the

right direction.

>

> Keep your fingers crossed for us that nada will agree to go see the

psychiatrist. Sister will let the psychiatrist know that if he or she wants the

information, nada's psychologist is available to consult with RE her two years

of therapy with him.

>

> I also found out from Sister that our nada never liked the psychologist except

for the first few sessions; nada was (somehow) under the impression that she was

going to therapy to learn how to " help " Sister and me because *we* have

emotional problems (!?) Once it became clear that the therapy was about nada

herself, she painted the therapist black and only continued to see him (off and

on) because Sister and I made that a condition of resuming contact with her.

So, she only went under duress (basically, we gave her an ultimatum) and nada

got very little if anything out of the therapy. She is still convinced that

there is nothing wrong with her, and its Sister and me who are the crazy,

hateful, lying ones.

>

> " Just one day at a time " ... maybe I'll come up with some bpd-related new

lyrics for that title...! (sung to the tune of " One Toke Over The Line " by

Brewer and Shipley)

>

> -Annie

[Guest guest]

Thanks, ; and thanks for the info about Risperadone/ Risperdal being

contraindicated for the elderly. I'll pass that along to Sister. One day at a

time is, I guess, the only way there is to deal with this. So far, so good.

-Annie

>

> Annie,I'm glad your aunt has been able to get through to your nada.Fingers

crossed that she'll keep her appointment with the psychiatrist,too.Perhaps the

GP is unable to prescribe anti-psychotics? Or that a psychiatrist would be

better informed as to which kind of anti-psychotic med to prescribe/for how

long? I know that the a-typical anti-psychotic Risperadone (Risperdal)has been

banned in the U.K. for the treatment of dementia in the elderly as research

revealed that over time it can actually *accelerate* the process of dementia in

elderly females in particular--it can also cause sudden heart failure and

pneumonia.This research study resulted in a general advisory against the

longterm use of anti-psychotics in the geriatric population who are suffering

from dementia and although I don't believe that Risperadone prescription for

that population has been banned in the US,apparently many psychiatrists and

doctors here do heed the general advisory.

>

> Here's a brief article on the subject:

>

> http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/134921.php

>

> Certainly all you can do is take it one day at a time but I hope she'll

continue to cooperate,at least long enough to get her under a psychiatrist's

care.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks. At this point, we just don't know if this is a case of nada's bpd

traits becoming more frequent and intense or if its senile dementia/Alzheimer's,

or what.

For whatever reason, the DSM-IV very carefully does not say " transient

psychosis " is a trait of bpd; instead they say " transient, stress-related

paranoid ideation, delusions or severe dissociative symptoms. " I'm no

psychologist/psychiatrist, but it seems to *me* to be the same thing. But

apparently there is a difference, and active hallucinations appears to be the

dividing line or definition of " psychosis " . Huh.

Anyway...

Will provide updates as they occur.

Thanks, you guys, for being there.

-Annie

>

> " It's like a cancer of the psyche " Well said, Annie.

>

> I too hope there is something they can do for her. Have they ruled out

> dementia or Alzheimers? Again, from what I remember (and I could be wrong),

> antipsychotics are contraindicated in persons with either.

>

> It could be possible that her BPD has just taken a turn for the worse, but

> could it also be possible that now her BPD is getting worse due to other

> brain abnormalities?

>

> Keep us posted Annie. Like you, I hope she will go to that pdoc

> appointment.

>

> *HUGS* Mia

>

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Annie,

I'm Joy, I used to participate on this list regularly about six years ago and I

often just browse through the posts. When I saw this one of yours, I was

curious as to the form your nada's hallucinations take. My nada is 79 years

old and has done a lot more that " rewrite history " as most/all BP's do. She

dreams up situations that I'm positive never took place because I know the

character of the people involved, and it's always about someone being

outrageously unkind to her. She, of course, has invented numerous scenarious

starring yours truly, and has manufactured each and every one. Before I found

out about BPD, I thought she had just misunderstood someone's intentions, that

if I could only get her to see where she'd gotten off track, that surely she'd

admit her mistake. I'm sure you know how that turned out. Anyway, my nada's

short term memory is fading fast - not about the things she dreams up, though -

and her " dreams " are becoming more frequent as she gets older. Or she's getting

to the point where she can't hide it as well. Or maybe I just see her so much

more clearly now than I once did. Anyway, you may have explained your nada's

problems in more detail somewhere else, but if you don't mind, could you

elaborate again?

Thanks,

Joy

>

> Hi, its me, Annie. I created a new account with a different IP and

" re-joined " the Group to see if that stops the unwanted iTunes automated

responses from appearing.

>

> Anyway, I heard from my Sister that our nada did go to see her regular doctor

(general practitioner) and he prescribed some meds for her. I think Sister said

antidepressants, which confuses me because our nada is hallucinating more often

now (which would mean she needs anti-psychotic meds, one would think?) In any

case, Sister also said that nada's regular doctor got nada to agree to see a

psychiatrist and made an appointment for her. Yay!! I didn't think she'd agree

to do that, to be honest. We'll see if she follows through and actually goes.

>

> About 4 years ago nada had agreed to go on antidepressants, but she said they

made her feel " weird " and refused to continue taking them when the prescription

ran out. Sister said the improvement in nada's behavior toward her was like " a

little miracle " and was sorely disappointed when nada refused to continue taking

those meds. It would seem that nada prefers her familiar negative mind-set;

just feeling " regular " instead of actively hostile and cranky felt " weird " to

nada. Here's hoping that this time nada will agree to stay on the

antidepressants.

>

> So, Sister and I just take it one day at a time. Thank goodness for our

Aunt2's help with this. Nada has always liked her younger sister (although they

have never been really close) and nada doesn't have the history of

disappointment and negative feelings RE her younger sister that she does with my

Sister and me and her own older sister (whom she has always openly loathed.)

So, Aunt2 was able to get nada to see her regular doctor, which is a step in the

right direction.

>

> Keep your fingers crossed for us that nada will agree to go see the

psychiatrist. Sister will let the psychiatrist know that if he or she wants the

information, nada's psychologist is available to consult with RE her two years

of therapy with him.

>

> I also found out from Sister that our nada never liked the psychologist except

for the first few sessions; nada was (somehow) under the impression that she was

going to therapy to learn how to " help " Sister and me because *we* have

emotional problems (!?) Once it became clear that the therapy was about nada

herself, she painted the therapist black and only continued to see him (off and

on) because Sister and I made that a condition of resuming contact with her.

So, she only went under duress (basically, we gave her an ultimatum) and nada

got very little if anything out of the therapy. She is still convinced that

there is nothing wrong with her, and its Sister and me who are the crazy,

hateful, lying ones.

>

> " Just one day at a time " ... maybe I'll come up with some bpd-related new

lyrics for that title...! (sung to the tune of " One Toke Over The Line " by

Brewer and Shipley)

>

> -Annie

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Annie,

I'm Joy, I used to participate on this list regularly about six years ago and I

often just browse through the posts. When I saw this one of yours, I was

curious as to the form your nada's hallucinations take. My nada is 79 years

old and has done a lot more that " rewrite history " as most/all BP's do. She

dreams up situations that I'm positive never took place because I know the

character of the people involved, and it's always about someone being

outrageously unkind to her. She, of course, has invented numerous scenarious

starring yours truly, and has manufactured each and every one. Before I found

out about BPD, I thought she had just misunderstood someone's intentions, that

if I could only get her to see where she'd gotten off track, that surely she'd

admit her mistake. I'm sure you know how that turned out. Anyway, my nada's

short term memory is fading fast - not about the things she dreams up, though -

and her " dreams " are becoming more frequent as she gets older. Or she's getting

to the point where she can't hide it as well. Or maybe I just see her so much

more clearly now than I once did. Anyway, you may have explained your nada's

problems in more detail somewhere else, but if you don't mind, could you

elaborate again?

Thanks,

Joy

>

> Hi, its me, Annie. I created a new account with a different IP and

" re-joined " the Group to see if that stops the unwanted iTunes automated

responses from appearing.

>

> Anyway, I heard from my Sister that our nada did go to see her regular doctor

(general practitioner) and he prescribed some meds for her. I think Sister said

antidepressants, which confuses me because our nada is hallucinating more often

now (which would mean she needs anti-psychotic meds, one would think?) In any

case, Sister also said that nada's regular doctor got nada to agree to see a

psychiatrist and made an appointment for her. Yay!! I didn't think she'd agree

to do that, to be honest. We'll see if she follows through and actually goes.

>

> About 4 years ago nada had agreed to go on antidepressants, but she said they

made her feel " weird " and refused to continue taking them when the prescription

ran out. Sister said the improvement in nada's behavior toward her was like " a

little miracle " and was sorely disappointed when nada refused to continue taking

those meds. It would seem that nada prefers her familiar negative mind-set;

just feeling " regular " instead of actively hostile and cranky felt " weird " to

nada. Here's hoping that this time nada will agree to stay on the

antidepressants.

>

> So, Sister and I just take it one day at a time. Thank goodness for our

Aunt2's help with this. Nada has always liked her younger sister (although they

have never been really close) and nada doesn't have the history of

disappointment and negative feelings RE her younger sister that she does with my

Sister and me and her own older sister (whom she has always openly loathed.)

So, Aunt2 was able to get nada to see her regular doctor, which is a step in the

right direction.

>

> Keep your fingers crossed for us that nada will agree to go see the

psychiatrist. Sister will let the psychiatrist know that if he or she wants the

information, nada's psychologist is available to consult with RE her two years

of therapy with him.

>

> I also found out from Sister that our nada never liked the psychologist except

for the first few sessions; nada was (somehow) under the impression that she was

going to therapy to learn how to " help " Sister and me because *we* have

emotional problems (!?) Once it became clear that the therapy was about nada

herself, she painted the therapist black and only continued to see him (off and

on) because Sister and I made that a condition of resuming contact with her.

So, she only went under duress (basically, we gave her an ultimatum) and nada

got very little if anything out of the therapy. She is still convinced that

there is nothing wrong with her, and its Sister and me who are the crazy,

hateful, lying ones.

>

> " Just one day at a time " ... maybe I'll come up with some bpd-related new

lyrics for that title...! (sung to the tune of " One Toke Over The Line " by

Brewer and Shipley)

>

> -Annie

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Annie,

I'm Joy, I used to participate on this list regularly about six years ago and I

often just browse through the posts. When I saw this one of yours, I was

curious as to the form your nada's hallucinations take. My nada is 79 years

old and has done a lot more that " rewrite history " as most/all BP's do. She

dreams up situations that I'm positive never took place because I know the

character of the people involved, and it's always about someone being

outrageously unkind to her. She, of course, has invented numerous scenarious

starring yours truly, and has manufactured each and every one. Before I found

out about BPD, I thought she had just misunderstood someone's intentions, that

if I could only get her to see where she'd gotten off track, that surely she'd

admit her mistake. I'm sure you know how that turned out. Anyway, my nada's

short term memory is fading fast - not about the things she dreams up, though -

and her " dreams " are becoming more frequent as she gets older. Or she's getting

to the point where she can't hide it as well. Or maybe I just see her so much

more clearly now than I once did. Anyway, you may have explained your nada's

problems in more detail somewhere else, but if you don't mind, could you

elaborate again?

Thanks,

Joy

>

> Hi, its me, Annie. I created a new account with a different IP and

" re-joined " the Group to see if that stops the unwanted iTunes automated

responses from appearing.

>

> Anyway, I heard from my Sister that our nada did go to see her regular doctor

(general practitioner) and he prescribed some meds for her. I think Sister said

antidepressants, which confuses me because our nada is hallucinating more often

now (which would mean she needs anti-psychotic meds, one would think?) In any

case, Sister also said that nada's regular doctor got nada to agree to see a

psychiatrist and made an appointment for her. Yay!! I didn't think she'd agree

to do that, to be honest. We'll see if she follows through and actually goes.

>

> About 4 years ago nada had agreed to go on antidepressants, but she said they

made her feel " weird " and refused to continue taking them when the prescription

ran out. Sister said the improvement in nada's behavior toward her was like " a

little miracle " and was sorely disappointed when nada refused to continue taking

those meds. It would seem that nada prefers her familiar negative mind-set;

just feeling " regular " instead of actively hostile and cranky felt " weird " to

nada. Here's hoping that this time nada will agree to stay on the

antidepressants.

>

> So, Sister and I just take it one day at a time. Thank goodness for our

Aunt2's help with this. Nada has always liked her younger sister (although they

have never been really close) and nada doesn't have the history of

disappointment and negative feelings RE her younger sister that she does with my

Sister and me and her own older sister (whom she has always openly loathed.)

So, Aunt2 was able to get nada to see her regular doctor, which is a step in the

right direction.

>

> Keep your fingers crossed for us that nada will agree to go see the

psychiatrist. Sister will let the psychiatrist know that if he or she wants the

information, nada's psychologist is available to consult with RE her two years

of therapy with him.

>

> I also found out from Sister that our nada never liked the psychologist except

for the first few sessions; nada was (somehow) under the impression that she was

going to therapy to learn how to " help " Sister and me because *we* have

emotional problems (!?) Once it became clear that the therapy was about nada

herself, she painted the therapist black and only continued to see him (off and

on) because Sister and I made that a condition of resuming contact with her.

So, she only went under duress (basically, we gave her an ultimatum) and nada

got very little if anything out of the therapy. She is still convinced that

there is nothing wrong with her, and its Sister and me who are the crazy,

hateful, lying ones.

>

> " Just one day at a time " ... maybe I'll come up with some bpd-related new

lyrics for that title...! (sung to the tune of " One Toke Over The Line " by

Brewer and Shipley)

>

> -Annie

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Joy,

I remember your handle! I hope things are going OK for you RE your own nada's

situation.

My nada is in her early 80's and recently, in addition to her long-standing bpd

trait of: " Transient, stress-related paranoid ideation, delusions and/or severe

dissociative symptoms " (and her chronic negativity, and her being so easily

upset and angered, and her re-writing history) she has started having visual

hallucinations. She's been seeing people that aren't there.

Nada asked my Sister one day , " Who is that man over there and why is he rolling

a barrel up the street? " (Nobody was on the street at all.)

Late one night a couple of weeks ago, nada was convinced that there was a large

film crew around the back of her building and they were busily setting up for a

shoot; dozens of people milling around. This time she became upset, so much so

that her apartment building manager thought maybe he needed to call an ambulance

for her. Sister was able to manage that incident, and since then nada has seen

her primary care doctor and gotten a prescription for antidepressants. We're

hoping she'll go to see the psychiatrist her pc doctor recommended; he made an

appointment for nada.

As complicated and painful at my relationship with my mother is, so much so that

I can't endure having contact with her now, it really saddens me to hear that

she is now suffering from frightening hallucinations. That sounds like a living

hell to me, like a nightmare that she can't wake up from, and I wouldn't wish

that on anybody.

-Annie

>

> Hi, Annie,

>

> I'm Joy, I used to participate on this list regularly about six years ago and

I often just browse through the posts. When I saw this one of yours, I was

curious as to the form your nada's hallucinations take. My nada is 79 years

old and has done a lot more that " rewrite history " as most/all BP's do. She

dreams up situations that I'm positive never took place because I know the

character of the people involved, and it's always about someone being

outrageously unkind to her. She, of course, has invented numerous scenarious

starring yours truly, and has manufactured each and every one. Before I found

out about BPD, I thought she had just misunderstood someone's intentions, that

if I could only get her to see where she'd gotten off track, that surely she'd

admit her mistake. I'm sure you know how that turned out. Anyway, my nada's

short term memory is fading fast - not about the things she dreams up, though -

and her " dreams " are becoming more frequent as she gets older. Or she's getting

to the point where she can't hide it as well. Or maybe I just see her so much

more clearly now than I once did. Anyway, you may have explained your nada's

problems in more detail somewhere else, but if you don't mind, could you

elaborate again?

>

> Thanks,

> Joy

[Guest guest]

Hi Joy,

I remember your handle! I hope things are going OK for you RE your own nada's

situation.

My nada is in her early 80's and recently, in addition to her long-standing bpd

trait of: " Transient, stress-related paranoid ideation, delusions and/or severe

dissociative symptoms " (and her chronic negativity, and her being so easily

upset and angered, and her re-writing history) she has started having visual

hallucinations. She's been seeing people that aren't there.

Nada asked my Sister one day , " Who is that man over there and why is he rolling

a barrel up the street? " (Nobody was on the street at all.)

Late one night a couple of weeks ago, nada was convinced that there was a large

film crew around the back of her building and they were busily setting up for a

shoot; dozens of people milling around. This time she became upset, so much so

that her apartment building manager thought maybe he needed to call an ambulance

for her. Sister was able to manage that incident, and since then nada has seen

her primary care doctor and gotten a prescription for antidepressants. We're

hoping she'll go to see the psychiatrist her pc doctor recommended; he made an

appointment for nada.

As complicated and painful at my relationship with my mother is, so much so that

I can't endure having contact with her now, it really saddens me to hear that

she is now suffering from frightening hallucinations. That sounds like a living

hell to me, like a nightmare that she can't wake up from, and I wouldn't wish

that on anybody.

-Annie

>

> Hi, Annie,

>

> I'm Joy, I used to participate on this list regularly about six years ago and

I often just browse through the posts. When I saw this one of yours, I was

curious as to the form your nada's hallucinations take. My nada is 79 years

old and has done a lot more that " rewrite history " as most/all BP's do. She

dreams up situations that I'm positive never took place because I know the

character of the people involved, and it's always about someone being

outrageously unkind to her. She, of course, has invented numerous scenarious

starring yours truly, and has manufactured each and every one. Before I found

out about BPD, I thought she had just misunderstood someone's intentions, that

if I could only get her to see where she'd gotten off track, that surely she'd

admit her mistake. I'm sure you know how that turned out. Anyway, my nada's

short term memory is fading fast - not about the things she dreams up, though -

and her " dreams " are becoming more frequent as she gets older. Or she's getting

to the point where she can't hide it as well. Or maybe I just see her so much

more clearly now than I once did. Anyway, you may have explained your nada's

problems in more detail somewhere else, but if you don't mind, could you

elaborate again?

>

> Thanks,

> Joy

[Guest guest]

Hi Joy,

I remember your handle! I hope things are going OK for you RE your own nada's

situation.

My nada is in her early 80's and recently, in addition to her long-standing bpd

trait of: " Transient, stress-related paranoid ideation, delusions and/or severe

dissociative symptoms " (and her chronic negativity, and her being so easily

upset and angered, and her re-writing history) she has started having visual

hallucinations. She's been seeing people that aren't there.

Nada asked my Sister one day , " Who is that man over there and why is he rolling

a barrel up the street? " (Nobody was on the street at all.)

Late one night a couple of weeks ago, nada was convinced that there was a large

film crew around the back of her building and they were busily setting up for a

shoot; dozens of people milling around. This time she became upset, so much so

that her apartment building manager thought maybe he needed to call an ambulance

for her. Sister was able to manage that incident, and since then nada has seen

her primary care doctor and gotten a prescription for antidepressants. We're

hoping she'll go to see the psychiatrist her pc doctor recommended; he made an

appointment for nada.

As complicated and painful at my relationship with my mother is, so much so that

I can't endure having contact with her now, it really saddens me to hear that

she is now suffering from frightening hallucinations. That sounds like a living

hell to me, like a nightmare that she can't wake up from, and I wouldn't wish

that on anybody.

-Annie

>

> Hi, Annie,

>

> I'm Joy, I used to participate on this list regularly about six years ago and

I often just browse through the posts. When I saw this one of yours, I was

curious as to the form your nada's hallucinations take. My nada is 79 years

old and has done a lot more that " rewrite history " as most/all BP's do. She

dreams up situations that I'm positive never took place because I know the

character of the people involved, and it's always about someone being

outrageously unkind to her. She, of course, has invented numerous scenarious

starring yours truly, and has manufactured each and every one. Before I found

out about BPD, I thought she had just misunderstood someone's intentions, that

if I could only get her to see where she'd gotten off track, that surely she'd

admit her mistake. I'm sure you know how that turned out. Anyway, my nada's

short term memory is fading fast - not about the things she dreams up, though -

and her " dreams " are becoming more frequent as she gets older. Or she's getting

to the point where she can't hide it as well. Or maybe I just see her so much

more clearly now than I once did. Anyway, you may have explained your nada's

problems in more detail somewhere else, but if you don't mind, could you

elaborate again?

>

> Thanks,

> Joy

[Guest guest]

My goodness, that is so sad for your nada. I can't imagine that antidepressants

would be very helpful, but you don't see any MD after my name. Does your mother

have any vision problems? My husband's grandmother suffered from retinitis

pigmentosa in her 80's and would complain about seeing a man in a black hat and

coat, a sinister type of character. She realized that it was a trick that her

brain was playing on her because of her deficiency, but someone who already has

a mental illness may not have that insight.

And I'm sorry that you've had to go NC. I live an hour away from my nada, so

that gives me LC without having to work too hard at it, I guess. And, thanks in

no small part to this group, I've come a long way in the last 9 years. I'm an

only child, and nada has alienated everyone else around her except a neighbor

who feels obligated to return favors nada did for her 20 years ago and more. So

after repeated attempts to circumvent them, nada has finally accepted my

boundaries - because she had to. I think I'm pretty good at that " middle chill "

you've talked about. I can usually defuse and deflect when she's looking for a

fight, and when I can't, she hangs up on me and I wait her out. I NEVER visit

her alone, either. Safety in numbers!

The one thing that I still haven't been able to conquer is the outrage and

disgust I've felt towards her since her repeated physical abuse of my cousin.

It's been over a year and I can barely look at her. I have no more sympathy for

her than I would for an abusive husband who escalates from verbal abuse to

violence, I don't care how old and " frail " nada is. Does anyone have any

insight about this? I not only can't get past this - I don't WANT to get past

it.

Joy

> >

> > Hi, Annie,

> >

> > I'm Joy, I used to participate on this list regularly about six years ago

and I often just browse through the posts. When I saw this one of yours, I was

curious as to the form your nada's hallucinations take. My nada is 79 years

old and has done a lot more that " rewrite history " as most/all BP's do. She

dreams up situations that I'm positive never took place because I know the

character of the people involved, and it's always about someone being

outrageously unkind to her. She, of course, has invented numerous scenarious

starring yours truly, and has manufactured each and every one. Before I found

out about BPD, I thought she had just misunderstood someone's intentions, that

if I could only get her to see where she'd gotten off track, that surely she'd

admit her mistake. I'm sure you know how that turned out. Anyway, my nada's

short term memory is fading fast - not about the things she dreams up, though -

and her " dreams " are becoming more frequent as she gets older. Or she's getting

to the point where she can't hide it as well. Or maybe I just see her so much

more clearly now than I once did. Anyway, you may have explained your nada's

problems in more detail somewhere else, but if you don't mind, could you

elaborate again?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Joy

>

[Guest guest]

My goodness, that is so sad for your nada. I can't imagine that antidepressants

would be very helpful, but you don't see any MD after my name. Does your mother

have any vision problems? My husband's grandmother suffered from retinitis

pigmentosa in her 80's and would complain about seeing a man in a black hat and

coat, a sinister type of character. She realized that it was a trick that her

brain was playing on her because of her deficiency, but someone who already has

a mental illness may not have that insight.

And I'm sorry that you've had to go NC. I live an hour away from my nada, so

that gives me LC without having to work too hard at it, I guess. And, thanks in

no small part to this group, I've come a long way in the last 9 years. I'm an

only child, and nada has alienated everyone else around her except a neighbor

who feels obligated to return favors nada did for her 20 years ago and more. So

after repeated attempts to circumvent them, nada has finally accepted my

boundaries - because she had to. I think I'm pretty good at that " middle chill "

you've talked about. I can usually defuse and deflect when she's looking for a

fight, and when I can't, she hangs up on me and I wait her out. I NEVER visit

her alone, either. Safety in numbers!

The one thing that I still haven't been able to conquer is the outrage and

disgust I've felt towards her since her repeated physical abuse of my cousin.

It's been over a year and I can barely look at her. I have no more sympathy for

her than I would for an abusive husband who escalates from verbal abuse to

violence, I don't care how old and " frail " nada is. Does anyone have any

insight about this? I not only can't get past this - I don't WANT to get past

it.

Joy

> >

> > Hi, Annie,

> >

> > I'm Joy, I used to participate on this list regularly about six years ago

and I often just browse through the posts. When I saw this one of yours, I was

curious as to the form your nada's hallucinations take. My nada is 79 years

old and has done a lot more that " rewrite history " as most/all BP's do. She

dreams up situations that I'm positive never took place because I know the

character of the people involved, and it's always about someone being

outrageously unkind to her. She, of course, has invented numerous scenarious

starring yours truly, and has manufactured each and every one. Before I found

out about BPD, I thought she had just misunderstood someone's intentions, that

if I could only get her to see where she'd gotten off track, that surely she'd

admit her mistake. I'm sure you know how that turned out. Anyway, my nada's

short term memory is fading fast - not about the things she dreams up, though -

and her " dreams " are becoming more frequent as she gets older. Or she's getting

to the point where she can't hide it as well. Or maybe I just see her so much

more clearly now than I once did. Anyway, you may have explained your nada's

problems in more detail somewhere else, but if you don't mind, could you

elaborate again?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Joy

>

[Guest guest]

My goodness, that is so sad for your nada. I can't imagine that antidepressants

would be very helpful, but you don't see any MD after my name. Does your mother

have any vision problems? My husband's grandmother suffered from retinitis

pigmentosa in her 80's and would complain about seeing a man in a black hat and

coat, a sinister type of character. She realized that it was a trick that her

brain was playing on her because of her deficiency, but someone who already has

a mental illness may not have that insight.

And I'm sorry that you've had to go NC. I live an hour away from my nada, so

that gives me LC without having to work too hard at it, I guess. And, thanks in

no small part to this group, I've come a long way in the last 9 years. I'm an

only child, and nada has alienated everyone else around her except a neighbor

who feels obligated to return favors nada did for her 20 years ago and more. So

after repeated attempts to circumvent them, nada has finally accepted my

boundaries - because she had to. I think I'm pretty good at that " middle chill "

you've talked about. I can usually defuse and deflect when she's looking for a

fight, and when I can't, she hangs up on me and I wait her out. I NEVER visit

her alone, either. Safety in numbers!

The one thing that I still haven't been able to conquer is the outrage and

disgust I've felt towards her since her repeated physical abuse of my cousin.

It's been over a year and I can barely look at her. I have no more sympathy for

her than I would for an abusive husband who escalates from verbal abuse to

violence, I don't care how old and " frail " nada is. Does anyone have any

insight about this? I not only can't get past this - I don't WANT to get past

it.

Joy

> >

> > Hi, Annie,

> >

> > I'm Joy, I used to participate on this list regularly about six years ago

and I often just browse through the posts. When I saw this one of yours, I was

curious as to the form your nada's hallucinations take. My nada is 79 years

old and has done a lot more that " rewrite history " as most/all BP's do. She

dreams up situations that I'm positive never took place because I know the

character of the people involved, and it's always about someone being

outrageously unkind to her. She, of course, has invented numerous scenarious

starring yours truly, and has manufactured each and every one. Before I found

out about BPD, I thought she had just misunderstood someone's intentions, that

if I could only get her to see where she'd gotten off track, that surely she'd

admit her mistake. I'm sure you know how that turned out. Anyway, my nada's

short term memory is fading fast - not about the things she dreams up, though -

and her " dreams " are becoming more frequent as she gets older. Or she's getting

to the point where she can't hide it as well. Or maybe I just see her so much

more clearly now than I once did. Anyway, you may have explained your nada's

problems in more detail somewhere else, but if you don't mind, could you

elaborate again?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Joy

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the head's up on other possible causes of hallucinations. Actually,

my Sister did mention Bonnet's to me as a possibility, because our nada does

have some visual impairment, but neither of us thought of a urinary tract

infection as being a possible cause of hallucinations in the elderly.

Fascinating.

Will definitely pass that along for Sister to bring to nada's doctor's

attention. I was wondering if the hallucinations are due to sleep deprivation.

Nada yells and scolds and has loud conversations in her sleep, and even screams

sometimes. I can't believe that she's gotten a really good night's sleep in

years and I've heard that a chronic sleep deficit can result in hallucinations.

Thanks for your compassion, you and the other members here. Its like, isn't bpd

bad enough all by itself without hallucinations on top of it?

-Annie

>

> Annie,

> Any way you could get her to an opthamologist and neurologist? She could be

hallucinating from Bonnet syndrome. It causes hallucinations that seem so real

people can't be convinced they aren't.

> Also, urinary tract infections in the elderly, which often present without the

typical symptoms we younger people suffer, cause the most dreadful sudden onset

dementia and hallucinations.

> My mother did take Zyprexa in her 80s, but it wasn't for hallucinating.

> I really feel for you. It's so hard to handle an aging bpd parent.

> Em

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the head's up on other possible causes of hallucinations. Actually,

my Sister did mention Bonnet's to me as a possibility, because our nada does

have some visual impairment, but neither of us thought of a urinary tract

infection as being a possible cause of hallucinations in the elderly.

Fascinating.

Will definitely pass that along for Sister to bring to nada's doctor's

attention. I was wondering if the hallucinations are due to sleep deprivation.

Nada yells and scolds and has loud conversations in her sleep, and even screams

sometimes. I can't believe that she's gotten a really good night's sleep in

years and I've heard that a chronic sleep deficit can result in hallucinations.

Thanks for your compassion, you and the other members here. Its like, isn't bpd

bad enough all by itself without hallucinations on top of it?

-Annie

>

> Annie,

> Any way you could get her to an opthamologist and neurologist? She could be

hallucinating from Bonnet syndrome. It causes hallucinations that seem so real

people can't be convinced they aren't.

> Also, urinary tract infections in the elderly, which often present without the

typical symptoms we younger people suffer, cause the most dreadful sudden onset

dementia and hallucinations.

> My mother did take Zyprexa in her 80s, but it wasn't for hallucinating.

> I really feel for you. It's so hard to handle an aging bpd parent.

> Em

[Guest guest]

My nada is almost 90 now and continually re-writes history accusing me of things

I never did and things that never happened.

Yesterday she said she had TWO abortions which were both illegal at the time -

before that and for years it was one. Who knows what the truth is.

She accused me of being 'in on' spray painting " You S.O.B's! It's YOUR fault

she broke it off " in red on my stepfather's car and poured red paint all down

the roof of it, but I had nothing to do with it. Nada admits she went to my

ex-boyfriend's mother and him to tell them she did NOT want me going with him.

I was 19 at the time. He came back from Vietnam having gotten schrapnel in his

head supposedly and was definitely not the guy I knew before he left. He called

me and begged me to marry him. I told him no and had told him it was over

before he left. I never told nada I did either of those things because nada had

a way of twisting things and what's the point. I kept things to myself around

her. Anyway he did that of his own accord of course. I told her I had nothing

to do with it but it was ancient history (41 YEARS ago) but she went on and on

about how I was in on it and she'd never forgive me. First of all Eddie (my

stepfather) got the paint off their car without any residual damage and secondly

why would I tell him to write that?!

As for doctors, my nada refuses to go to hers anymore and hasn't since August,

2010! She won't go now because she fears she will put her in a nursing home and

'I'd rather be dead than in one of THOSE places'. Okay so live like you are

nada is all I can say and don't see a doctor. (She won't listen to the doctor's

advice anyway). This doctor just refills her prescription for an opium based

painkiller and that's it, which is exactly what nada wants her to do.

My nada is also delusional beyond belief now so I understand exactly how you

feel. Hopefully your nada will got o a psychiatrist. Mine is 'perfect' as she

always tells me and everyone else is wrong me included most of the time.

[Guest guest]

My nada is almost 90 now and continually re-writes history accusing me of things

I never did and things that never happened.

Yesterday she said she had TWO abortions which were both illegal at the time -

before that and for years it was one. Who knows what the truth is.

She accused me of being 'in on' spray painting " You S.O.B's! It's YOUR fault

she broke it off " in red on my stepfather's car and poured red paint all down

the roof of it, but I had nothing to do with it. Nada admits she went to my

ex-boyfriend's mother and him to tell them she did NOT want me going with him.

I was 19 at the time. He came back from Vietnam having gotten schrapnel in his

head supposedly and was definitely not the guy I knew before he left. He called

me and begged me to marry him. I told him no and had told him it was over

before he left. I never told nada I did either of those things because nada had

a way of twisting things and what's the point. I kept things to myself around

her. Anyway he did that of his own accord of course. I told her I had nothing

to do with it but it was ancient history (41 YEARS ago) but she went on and on

about how I was in on it and she'd never forgive me. First of all Eddie (my

stepfather) got the paint off their car without any residual damage and secondly

why would I tell him to write that?!

As for doctors, my nada refuses to go to hers anymore and hasn't since August,

2010! She won't go now because she fears she will put her in a nursing home and

'I'd rather be dead than in one of THOSE places'. Okay so live like you are

nada is all I can say and don't see a doctor. (She won't listen to the doctor's

advice anyway). This doctor just refills her prescription for an opium based

painkiller and that's it, which is exactly what nada wants her to do.

My nada is also delusional beyond belief now so I understand exactly how you

feel. Hopefully your nada will got o a psychiatrist. Mine is 'perfect' as she

always tells me and everyone else is wrong me included most of the time.

[Guest guest]

My nada is almost 90 now and continually re-writes history accusing me of things

I never did and things that never happened.

Yesterday she said she had TWO abortions which were both illegal at the time -

before that and for years it was one. Who knows what the truth is.

She accused me of being 'in on' spray painting " You S.O.B's! It's YOUR fault

she broke it off " in red on my stepfather's car and poured red paint all down

the roof of it, but I had nothing to do with it. Nada admits she went to my

ex-boyfriend's mother and him to tell them she did NOT want me going with him.

I was 19 at the time. He came back from Vietnam having gotten schrapnel in his

head supposedly and was definitely not the guy I knew before he left. He called

me and begged me to marry him. I told him no and had told him it was over

before he left. I never told nada I did either of those things because nada had

a way of twisting things and what's the point. I kept things to myself around

her. Anyway he did that of his own accord of course. I told her I had nothing

to do with it but it was ancient history (41 YEARS ago) but she went on and on

about how I was in on it and she'd never forgive me. First of all Eddie (my

stepfather) got the paint off their car without any residual damage and secondly

why would I tell him to write that?!

As for doctors, my nada refuses to go to hers anymore and hasn't since August,

2010! She won't go now because she fears she will put her in a nursing home and

'I'd rather be dead than in one of THOSE places'. Okay so live like you are

nada is all I can say and don't see a doctor. (She won't listen to the doctor's

advice anyway). This doctor just refills her prescription for an opium based

painkiller and that's it, which is exactly what nada wants her to do.

My nada is also delusional beyond belief now so I understand exactly how you

feel. Hopefully your nada will got o a psychiatrist. Mine is 'perfect' as she

always tells me and everyone else is wrong me included most of the time.