Re: Principle #3 - Make Peace With Food

[Guest guest]

From experience, I agree with no forbidden foods. I have had my share of Last

Supper eating, to the point that it became every day, because every day I was

going to begin again tomorrow. There is no food that I can't eat. But this also

must pair with honoring my hunger, so if I'm not hungry, then my body is not

needing any food of any kind. If there is something I'm craving, then I can plan

to eat that when I become hungry.

That said, and y'all can disagree with me, my concern with this principle is

that there are so many so-called foods on the market today that

nutritionally-void, highly-processed, and have chemical additives that we'd

never find on our kitchen shelves. I also think the Intuitive Eating book,

towards the end, does go into eating for nutrition, and I personally have to

make that part of making peace with food.

So, for me, making peace with food means that I honor both my hunger and my

body's nutritional needs. I eat appproximately the recommended amount of

protein, carbs, and fats, each day (which meant increasing, not decreasing the

amount of carbs and fats I'd tried to eat on weight loss diets) from whatever

foods I choose when the time comes. If I begin to crave something

nutritionally-void, then I will have it. The amazing thing has been that as I've

worked with this " sort of " plan combined with intuitive eating over the last

year, if I eat the recommended amount of each nutrient, my junk food cravings

plummet. How many times lately have I walked past the frosting-laden cakes or

down the cookie and candy aisles of Kroger and had no desire to put any in my

bascart. Could it be that be because my body has the nourishment it needs?

I've also reached the point where I can tell if I need a little more or a little

less than the recommended amount, or if I need to eat earlier or later. It most

always works out that if I eat more than the recommended amount, it balances out

by my not getting hungry for a longer time.

Now to work on my emotional eating, which I have not yet conquered!

Sara

>

> Call a truce; stop the food fight! Give yourself unconditional permission to

eat. If you tell yourself that you can't or shouldn't have a particular food, it

can lead to uncontrollable cravings and, often, bingeing. When you finally " give

in " to your forbidden foods, eating will be experienced with such intensity, it

usually results in Last Supper overeating and overwhelming guilt.

>

[Guest guest]

From experience, I agree with no forbidden foods. I have had my share of Last

Supper eating, to the point that it became every day, because every day I was

going to begin again tomorrow. There is no food that I can't eat. But this also

must pair with honoring my hunger, so if I'm not hungry, then my body is not

needing any food of any kind. If there is something I'm craving, then I can plan

to eat that when I become hungry.

That said, and y'all can disagree with me, my concern with this principle is

that there are so many so-called foods on the market today that

nutritionally-void, highly-processed, and have chemical additives that we'd

never find on our kitchen shelves. I also think the Intuitive Eating book,

towards the end, does go into eating for nutrition, and I personally have to

make that part of making peace with food.

So, for me, making peace with food means that I honor both my hunger and my

body's nutritional needs. I eat appproximately the recommended amount of

protein, carbs, and fats, each day (which meant increasing, not decreasing the

amount of carbs and fats I'd tried to eat on weight loss diets) from whatever

foods I choose when the time comes. If I begin to crave something

nutritionally-void, then I will have it. The amazing thing has been that as I've

worked with this " sort of " plan combined with intuitive eating over the last

year, if I eat the recommended amount of each nutrient, my junk food cravings

plummet. How many times lately have I walked past the frosting-laden cakes or

down the cookie and candy aisles of Kroger and had no desire to put any in my

bascart. Could it be that be because my body has the nourishment it needs?

I've also reached the point where I can tell if I need a little more or a little

less than the recommended amount, or if I need to eat earlier or later. It most

always works out that if I eat more than the recommended amount, it balances out

by my not getting hungry for a longer time.

Now to work on my emotional eating, which I have not yet conquered!

Sara

>

> Call a truce; stop the food fight! Give yourself unconditional permission to

eat. If you tell yourself that you can't or shouldn't have a particular food, it

can lead to uncontrollable cravings and, often, bingeing. When you finally " give

in " to your forbidden foods, eating will be experienced with such intensity, it

usually results in Last Supper overeating and overwhelming guilt.

>

[Guest guest]

I've been noticing that the Principles do intertwine/dovetail with each other. I

suspect the reason there are 'separate' Principles is that that one can focus on

that aspect enough to understand it and apply it - mixed in with those others

grasped and practiced?

Sara, I really liked what you wrote. My experience has been that my IE journey

isn't a 'linear',single-step-at-a-time one either. But I also find that I need

to go 'back', refresh and get my bearings straight now and then too.

Lovely sharing - Katcha

IEing since March 2007

>

> But this also must pair with honoring my hunger

[Guest guest]

I've been noticing that the Principles do intertwine/dovetail with each other. I

suspect the reason there are 'separate' Principles is that that one can focus on

that aspect enough to understand it and apply it - mixed in with those others

grasped and practiced?

Sara, I really liked what you wrote. My experience has been that my IE journey

isn't a 'linear',single-step-at-a-time one either. But I also find that I need

to go 'back', refresh and get my bearings straight now and then too.

Lovely sharing - Katcha

IEing since March 2007

>

> But this also must pair with honoring my hunger

[Guest guest]

I've been noticing that the Principles do intertwine/dovetail with each other. I

suspect the reason there are 'separate' Principles is that that one can focus on

that aspect enough to understand it and apply it - mixed in with those others

grasped and practiced?

Sara, I really liked what you wrote. My experience has been that my IE journey

isn't a 'linear',single-step-at-a-time one either. But I also find that I need

to go 'back', refresh and get my bearings straight now and then too.

Lovely sharing - Katcha

IEing since March 2007

>

> But this also must pair with honoring my hunger

[Guest guest]

Regarding " no forbidden foods " and keeping those things I crave in the house. Yes I also must pair that with honoring my hunger.  Usually those foods I eat for emotional reasons, including boredom.  For the past 3 days I have been eating animal crackers(and I picked up the low fat ones by mistake).  I eat them at the computer or watching TV, etc.  I don't even like them but I can't seem to stop. Today I think I was tired from lack of sleep, but I couldn't nap. I am going to get some popcorn for snacking although that can upset my stomach.  And I would still not be eating out of hunger. I think I am feeling pressured to get my poems ready for print, art ready for show and story ready for telling. And of course there's the Holidays and 5 family birthdays this month. Wow! I didn't realize how much pressure I put on myself.  And my daughter's car broke down so she is using mine to go to work until hers is fixed. I am also probably in a mild manic state as I have not been sleeping well at all. Not dumping on any of you, just making things clear for myself. Sandy

 

I've been noticing that the Principles do intertwine/dovetail with each other. I suspect the reason there are 'separate' Principles is that that one can focus on that aspect enough to understand it and apply it - mixed in with those others grasped and practiced?

Sara, I really liked what you wrote. My experience has been that my IE journey isn't a 'linear',single-step-at-a-time one either. But I also find that I need to go 'back', refresh and get my bearings straight now and then too.

Lovely sharing - Katcha

IEing since March 2007

>

> But this also must pair with honoring my hunger

[Guest guest]

Regarding " no forbidden foods " and keeping those things I crave in the house. Yes I also must pair that with honoring my hunger.  Usually those foods I eat for emotional reasons, including boredom.  For the past 3 days I have been eating animal crackers(and I picked up the low fat ones by mistake).  I eat them at the computer or watching TV, etc.  I don't even like them but I can't seem to stop. Today I think I was tired from lack of sleep, but I couldn't nap. I am going to get some popcorn for snacking although that can upset my stomach.  And I would still not be eating out of hunger. I think I am feeling pressured to get my poems ready for print, art ready for show and story ready for telling. And of course there's the Holidays and 5 family birthdays this month. Wow! I didn't realize how much pressure I put on myself.  And my daughter's car broke down so she is using mine to go to work until hers is fixed. I am also probably in a mild manic state as I have not been sleeping well at all. Not dumping on any of you, just making things clear for myself. Sandy

 

I've been noticing that the Principles do intertwine/dovetail with each other. I suspect the reason there are 'separate' Principles is that that one can focus on that aspect enough to understand it and apply it - mixed in with those others grasped and practiced?

Sara, I really liked what you wrote. My experience has been that my IE journey isn't a 'linear',single-step-at-a-time one either. But I also find that I need to go 'back', refresh and get my bearings straight now and then too.

Lovely sharing - Katcha

IEing since March 2007

>

> But this also must pair with honoring my hunger

[Guest guest]

Sara, I think that makes a lot of sense. When you are not restricting food, you can choose to eat what is a nutritious diet for you without feelings of deprivation and the subsequent binging and last supper eating. I also have a problem with highly processed, empty foods that do not nourish the physical body. Like you, I do not restrict them, but I think it is OK to think about why you want a certain "play" food before eating it.

I am reading a book called, "How to Become Naturally Thin by Eating More" that talks about this a bit. The author says that, for instance, if you want ice cream your body is likely looking for a quick source of energy. Would a slice of bread with peanut butter and a glass of milk work just as well? Sometimes the answer will be yes and you can choose the latter. But, she emphasizes, if only the ice cream will do, than you should eat it. She really emphasizes choosing real foods (though our definitions of that may vary) whenever you can. But she is not advocating anything like setting rules or planning to skip dessert, etc. It's an interesting read.

Mimi

Subject: Re: Principle #3 - Make Peace With FoodTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Sunday, December 11, 2011, 11:34 AM

From experience, I agree with no forbidden foods. I have had my share of Last Supper eating, to the point that it became every day, because every day I was going to begin again tomorrow. There is no food that I can't eat. But this also must pair with honoring my hunger, so if I'm not hungry, then my body is not needing any food of any kind. If there is something I'm craving, then I can plan to eat that when I become hungry.That said, and y'all can disagree with me, my concern with this principle is that there are so many so-called foods on the market today that nutritionally-void, highly-processed, and have chemical additives that we'd never find on our kitchen shelves. I also think the Intuitive Eating book, towards the end, does go into eating for nutrition, and I personally have to make that part of making peace with food. So, for me, making peace with food means that I honor both my hunger and my body's nutritional needs. I

eat appproximately the recommended amount of protein, carbs, and fats, each day (which meant increasing, not decreasing the amount of carbs and fats I'd tried to eat on weight loss diets) from whatever foods I choose when the time comes. If I begin to crave something nutritionally-void, then I will have it. The amazing thing has been that as I've worked with this "sort of" plan combined with intuitive eating over the last year, if I eat the recommended amount of each nutrient, my junk food cravings plummet. How many times lately have I walked past the frosting-laden cakes or down the cookie and candy aisles of Kroger and had no desire to put any in my bascart. Could it be that be because my body has the nourishment it needs? I've also reached the point where I can tell if I need a little more or a little less than the recommended amount, or if I need to eat earlier or later. It most always works out that if I eat more than the recommended

amount, it balances out by my not getting hungry for a longer time.Now to work on my emotional eating, which I have not yet conquered!Sara>> Call a truce; stop the food fight! Give yourself unconditional permission to eat. If you tell yourself that you can't or shouldn't have a particular food, it can lead to uncontrollable cravings and, often, bingeing. When you finally "give in" to your forbidden foods, eating will be experienced with such intensity, it usually results in Last Supper overeating and overwhelming guilt.>

[Guest guest]

Sara, I think that makes a lot of sense. When you are not restricting food, you can choose to eat what is a nutritious diet for you without feelings of deprivation and the subsequent binging and last supper eating. I also have a problem with highly processed, empty foods that do not nourish the physical body. Like you, I do not restrict them, but I think it is OK to think about why you want a certain "play" food before eating it.

I am reading a book called, "How to Become Naturally Thin by Eating More" that talks about this a bit. The author says that, for instance, if you want ice cream your body is likely looking for a quick source of energy. Would a slice of bread with peanut butter and a glass of milk work just as well? Sometimes the answer will be yes and you can choose the latter. But, she emphasizes, if only the ice cream will do, than you should eat it. She really emphasizes choosing real foods (though our definitions of that may vary) whenever you can. But she is not advocating anything like setting rules or planning to skip dessert, etc. It's an interesting read.

Mimi

Subject: Re: Principle #3 - Make Peace With FoodTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Sunday, December 11, 2011, 11:34 AM

From experience, I agree with no forbidden foods. I have had my share of Last Supper eating, to the point that it became every day, because every day I was going to begin again tomorrow. There is no food that I can't eat. But this also must pair with honoring my hunger, so if I'm not hungry, then my body is not needing any food of any kind. If there is something I'm craving, then I can plan to eat that when I become hungry.That said, and y'all can disagree with me, my concern with this principle is that there are so many so-called foods on the market today that nutritionally-void, highly-processed, and have chemical additives that we'd never find on our kitchen shelves. I also think the Intuitive Eating book, towards the end, does go into eating for nutrition, and I personally have to make that part of making peace with food. So, for me, making peace with food means that I honor both my hunger and my body's nutritional needs. I

eat appproximately the recommended amount of protein, carbs, and fats, each day (which meant increasing, not decreasing the amount of carbs and fats I'd tried to eat on weight loss diets) from whatever foods I choose when the time comes. If I begin to crave something nutritionally-void, then I will have it. The amazing thing has been that as I've worked with this "sort of" plan combined with intuitive eating over the last year, if I eat the recommended amount of each nutrient, my junk food cravings plummet. How many times lately have I walked past the frosting-laden cakes or down the cookie and candy aisles of Kroger and had no desire to put any in my bascart. Could it be that be because my body has the nourishment it needs? I've also reached the point where I can tell if I need a little more or a little less than the recommended amount, or if I need to eat earlier or later. It most always works out that if I eat more than the recommended

amount, it balances out by my not getting hungry for a longer time.Now to work on my emotional eating, which I have not yet conquered!Sara>> Call a truce; stop the food fight! Give yourself unconditional permission to eat. If you tell yourself that you can't or shouldn't have a particular food, it can lead to uncontrollable cravings and, often, bingeing. When you finally "give in" to your forbidden foods, eating will be experienced with such intensity, it usually results in Last Supper overeating and overwhelming guilt.>

[Guest guest]

Sara, I think that makes a lot of sense. When you are not restricting food, you can choose to eat what is a nutritious diet for you without feelings of deprivation and the subsequent binging and last supper eating. I also have a problem with highly processed, empty foods that do not nourish the physical body. Like you, I do not restrict them, but I think it is OK to think about why you want a certain "play" food before eating it.

I am reading a book called, "How to Become Naturally Thin by Eating More" that talks about this a bit. The author says that, for instance, if you want ice cream your body is likely looking for a quick source of energy. Would a slice of bread with peanut butter and a glass of milk work just as well? Sometimes the answer will be yes and you can choose the latter. But, she emphasizes, if only the ice cream will do, than you should eat it. She really emphasizes choosing real foods (though our definitions of that may vary) whenever you can. But she is not advocating anything like setting rules or planning to skip dessert, etc. It's an interesting read.

Mimi

Subject: Re: Principle #3 - Make Peace With FoodTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Sunday, December 11, 2011, 11:34 AM

From experience, I agree with no forbidden foods. I have had my share of Last Supper eating, to the point that it became every day, because every day I was going to begin again tomorrow. There is no food that I can't eat. But this also must pair with honoring my hunger, so if I'm not hungry, then my body is not needing any food of any kind. If there is something I'm craving, then I can plan to eat that when I become hungry.That said, and y'all can disagree with me, my concern with this principle is that there are so many so-called foods on the market today that nutritionally-void, highly-processed, and have chemical additives that we'd never find on our kitchen shelves. I also think the Intuitive Eating book, towards the end, does go into eating for nutrition, and I personally have to make that part of making peace with food. So, for me, making peace with food means that I honor both my hunger and my body's nutritional needs. I

eat appproximately the recommended amount of protein, carbs, and fats, each day (which meant increasing, not decreasing the amount of carbs and fats I'd tried to eat on weight loss diets) from whatever foods I choose when the time comes. If I begin to crave something nutritionally-void, then I will have it. The amazing thing has been that as I've worked with this "sort of" plan combined with intuitive eating over the last year, if I eat the recommended amount of each nutrient, my junk food cravings plummet. How many times lately have I walked past the frosting-laden cakes or down the cookie and candy aisles of Kroger and had no desire to put any in my bascart. Could it be that be because my body has the nourishment it needs? I've also reached the point where I can tell if I need a little more or a little less than the recommended amount, or if I need to eat earlier or later. It most always works out that if I eat more than the recommended

amount, it balances out by my not getting hungry for a longer time.Now to work on my emotional eating, which I have not yet conquered!Sara>> Call a truce; stop the food fight! Give yourself unconditional permission to eat. If you tell yourself that you can't or shouldn't have a particular food, it can lead to uncontrollable cravings and, often, bingeing. When you finally "give in" to your forbidden foods, eating will be experienced with such intensity, it usually results in Last Supper overeating and overwhelming guilt.>

[Guest guest]

“How to Become Naturally Thin by

Eating More” by Antonello is in the top two of my favorite books,

right along with IE. She has also written two other books, one that deals

more with classic eating disorders (although it was very helpful, too) and one

for kids. My cousin is here visiting with her three year old and I am

admiring her approach to food with her daughter. When her daughter is

hungry, she feeds her and when she’s full she “lets” her

stop. Meanwhile, her sister (who lives here) is trying to coax the little

one to eat – “One more bite” “You still have food left”

or knowing that my uncle is scowling because the little one is eating an hour

before “dinner”, you know….the real dinner where everyone is

supposed to sit together and clean their plate whether they like the food or

not.

Kate

From: IntuitiveEating_Support [mailto:IntuitiveEating_Support ] On Behalf Of Incigul Sayman

Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011

6:39 AM

To: IntuitiveEating_Support

Subject: Re:

Re: Principle #3 - Make Peace With Food

Sara, I think that makes a lot of sense. When you

are not restricting food, you can choose to eat what is a nutritious diet for

you without feelings of deprivation and the subsequent binging and last

supper eating. I also have a problem with highly processed, empty foods that

do not nourish the physical body. Like you, I do not restrict them, but I

think it is OK to think about why you want a certain " play " food

before eating it.

I am reading a book called, " How to Become

Naturally Thin by Eating More " that talks about this a bit. The

author says that, for instance, if you want ice cream your body is

likely looking for a quick source of energy. Would a slice of bread with

peanut butter and a glass of milk work just as well? Sometimes the answer

will be yes and you can choose the latter. But, she emphasizes, if only the

ice cream will do, than you should eat it. She really emphasizes choosing

real foods (though our definitions of that may vary) whenever you can. But

she is not advocating anything like setting rules or planning to skip

dessert, etc. It's an interesting read.

Mimi

[Guest guest]

“How to Become Naturally Thin by

Eating More” by Antonello is in the top two of my favorite books,

right along with IE. She has also written two other books, one that deals

more with classic eating disorders (although it was very helpful, too) and one

for kids. My cousin is here visiting with her three year old and I am

admiring her approach to food with her daughter. When her daughter is

hungry, she feeds her and when she’s full she “lets” her

stop. Meanwhile, her sister (who lives here) is trying to coax the little

one to eat – “One more bite” “You still have food left”

or knowing that my uncle is scowling because the little one is eating an hour

before “dinner”, you know….the real dinner where everyone is

supposed to sit together and clean their plate whether they like the food or

not.

Kate

From: IntuitiveEating_Support [mailto:IntuitiveEating_Support ] On Behalf Of Incigul Sayman

Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011

6:39 AM

To: IntuitiveEating_Support

Subject: Re:

Re: Principle #3 - Make Peace With Food

Sara, I think that makes a lot of sense. When you

are not restricting food, you can choose to eat what is a nutritious diet for

you without feelings of deprivation and the subsequent binging and last

supper eating. I also have a problem with highly processed, empty foods that

do not nourish the physical body. Like you, I do not restrict them, but I

think it is OK to think about why you want a certain " play " food

before eating it.

I am reading a book called, " How to Become

Naturally Thin by Eating More " that talks about this a bit. The

author says that, for instance, if you want ice cream your body is

likely looking for a quick source of energy. Would a slice of bread with

peanut butter and a glass of milk work just as well? Sometimes the answer

will be yes and you can choose the latter. But, she emphasizes, if only the

ice cream will do, than you should eat it. She really emphasizes choosing

real foods (though our definitions of that may vary) whenever you can. But

she is not advocating anything like setting rules or planning to skip

dessert, etc. It's an interesting read.

Mimi

[Guest guest]

“How to Become Naturally Thin by

Eating More” by Antonello is in the top two of my favorite books,

right along with IE. She has also written two other books, one that deals

more with classic eating disorders (although it was very helpful, too) and one

for kids. My cousin is here visiting with her three year old and I am

admiring her approach to food with her daughter. When her daughter is

hungry, she feeds her and when she’s full she “lets” her

stop. Meanwhile, her sister (who lives here) is trying to coax the little

one to eat – “One more bite” “You still have food left”

or knowing that my uncle is scowling because the little one is eating an hour

before “dinner”, you know….the real dinner where everyone is

supposed to sit together and clean their plate whether they like the food or

not.

Kate

From: IntuitiveEating_Support [mailto:IntuitiveEating_Support ] On Behalf Of Incigul Sayman

Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011

6:39 AM

To: IntuitiveEating_Support

Subject: Re:

Re: Principle #3 - Make Peace With Food

Sara, I think that makes a lot of sense. When you

are not restricting food, you can choose to eat what is a nutritious diet for

you without feelings of deprivation and the subsequent binging and last

supper eating. I also have a problem with highly processed, empty foods that

do not nourish the physical body. Like you, I do not restrict them, but I

think it is OK to think about why you want a certain " play " food

before eating it.

I am reading a book called, " How to Become

Naturally Thin by Eating More " that talks about this a bit. The

author says that, for instance, if you want ice cream your body is

likely looking for a quick source of energy. Would a slice of bread with

peanut butter and a glass of milk work just as well? Sometimes the answer

will be yes and you can choose the latter. But, she emphasizes, if only the

ice cream will do, than you should eat it. She really emphasizes choosing

real foods (though our definitions of that may vary) whenever you can. But

she is not advocating anything like setting rules or planning to skip

dessert, etc. It's an interesting read.

Mimi

[Guest guest]

Kate, I am enjoying the book, too. I like her fantasy scenario of what she would say when someone pressures her to eat because they made a "special dessert just for you." The "I don't eat for other people" response is perfect, though probably not the nicest thing to say. LOL.

It's pretty much universal that if mothers are not forcing their children to eat, they are not doing a good job. The perception is that if mealtimes are not difficult enough, you are just being lazy and not parenting your child. Over Thanksgiving, a five-year old at our table told his mother exactly what he wanted to eat ("some turkey, cranberry sauce, and stuffing). Both parents completely disregarded the child's wishes. The mother's response was, "We'll see about that. I'll decide what you eat." The father said, "That's not good enough. You'll have to eat more." The kid ate a bit and then wanted to go play. He had had enough, but he was not allowed to leave the table until the parents were satisfied. The parents were trying to do what was best for their son, but they ended up circumventing his natural cues while making mealtime harder for the whole family.

Mimi

Subject: RE: Re: Principle #3 - Make Peace With FoodTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2011, 1:59 PM

“How to Become Naturally Thin by Eating More†by Antonello is in the top two of my favorite books, right along with IE. She has also written two other books, one that deals more with classic eating disorders (although it was very helpful, too) and one for kids. My cousin is here visiting with her three year old and I am admiring her approach to food with her daughter. When her daughter is hungry, she feeds her and when she’s full she “lets†her stop. Meanwhile, her sister (who lives here) is trying to coax the little one to eat – “One more bite†“You still have food left†or knowing that my uncle is scowling because the little one is eating an hour before “dinnerâ€, you know….the real dinner where everyone is supposed to sit together and clean their plate whether they

like the food or not.

Kate

[Guest guest]

Kate, I am enjoying the book, too. I like her fantasy scenario of what she would say when someone pressures her to eat because they made a "special dessert just for you." The "I don't eat for other people" response is perfect, though probably not the nicest thing to say. LOL.

It's pretty much universal that if mothers are not forcing their children to eat, they are not doing a good job. The perception is that if mealtimes are not difficult enough, you are just being lazy and not parenting your child. Over Thanksgiving, a five-year old at our table told his mother exactly what he wanted to eat ("some turkey, cranberry sauce, and stuffing). Both parents completely disregarded the child's wishes. The mother's response was, "We'll see about that. I'll decide what you eat." The father said, "That's not good enough. You'll have to eat more." The kid ate a bit and then wanted to go play. He had had enough, but he was not allowed to leave the table until the parents were satisfied. The parents were trying to do what was best for their son, but they ended up circumventing his natural cues while making mealtime harder for the whole family.

Mimi

Subject: RE: Re: Principle #3 - Make Peace With FoodTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2011, 1:59 PM

“How to Become Naturally Thin by Eating More†by Antonello is in the top two of my favorite books, right along with IE. She has also written two other books, one that deals more with classic eating disorders (although it was very helpful, too) and one for kids. My cousin is here visiting with her three year old and I am admiring her approach to food with her daughter. When her daughter is hungry, she feeds her and when she’s full she “lets†her stop. Meanwhile, her sister (who lives here) is trying to coax the little one to eat – “One more bite†“You still have food left†or knowing that my uncle is scowling because the little one is eating an hour before “dinnerâ€, you know….the real dinner where everyone is supposed to sit together and clean their plate whether they

like the food or not.

Kate

[Guest guest]

Kate, I am enjoying the book, too. I like her fantasy scenario of what she would say when someone pressures her to eat because they made a "special dessert just for you." The "I don't eat for other people" response is perfect, though probably not the nicest thing to say. LOL.

It's pretty much universal that if mothers are not forcing their children to eat, they are not doing a good job. The perception is that if mealtimes are not difficult enough, you are just being lazy and not parenting your child. Over Thanksgiving, a five-year old at our table told his mother exactly what he wanted to eat ("some turkey, cranberry sauce, and stuffing). Both parents completely disregarded the child's wishes. The mother's response was, "We'll see about that. I'll decide what you eat." The father said, "That's not good enough. You'll have to eat more." The kid ate a bit and then wanted to go play. He had had enough, but he was not allowed to leave the table until the parents were satisfied. The parents were trying to do what was best for their son, but they ended up circumventing his natural cues while making mealtime harder for the whole family.

Mimi

Subject: RE: Re: Principle #3 - Make Peace With FoodTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2011, 1:59 PM

“How to Become Naturally Thin by Eating More†by Antonello is in the top two of my favorite books, right along with IE. She has also written two other books, one that deals more with classic eating disorders (although it was very helpful, too) and one for kids. My cousin is here visiting with her three year old and I am admiring her approach to food with her daughter. When her daughter is hungry, she feeds her and when she’s full she “lets†her stop. Meanwhile, her sister (who lives here) is trying to coax the little one to eat – “One more bite†“You still have food left†or knowing that my uncle is scowling because the little one is eating an hour before “dinnerâ€, you know….the real dinner where everyone is supposed to sit together and clean their plate whether they

like the food or not.

Kate

[Guest guest]

Ack, I'm still thinking about the making peace with food concept, and we're

already moving on to Principle #4. I think this #3 is going to be the thing

that I'm going to need to be thinking about, and " working on " for awhile. Most

of that work, I think, will just be in the form of observation.

And most of the observations have to do with my reactions to the food around me.

I was at a neighborhood gatherring last night, with a table piled high with

treats, and I found, that since I was allowed to have anything I wanted, that I

could be very objective about what I really wanted. I wasn't hungry because I

had eaten dinner, but since I live in a world filled with food, I have to be

allowed to eat it if I wanted to. Tortilla Chios with hot cheese sauce is one

of my favorites, but it sounded too salty for me. My ears have been bothering

me. Some interesting looking piles of homemade cookies. Too dry. Another kind

of soft Casey cookie with oatmeal and raisins. After a long time considering I

finally took one, and nibbled on it. Store-bought cookies, some of which had

garish green frosting. No thanks. Chocolate cupcakes with chocolate frosting.

I took one of those. The frosting wasn't,t promising, but the cake was soft,

moist and very chocolatey--yum. I ate that. But that was it. I felt. Nader no

compulsion to eat everything just because it was there. In an ideal world, I

probably wouldn't,t have had anything, since I wasn't,t hungry, but it was a

party, and the cupcake was good.

This week I have th rown out the rest of the pumpkin pie, and bought more pecans

to make another pecan pie. I think I'm going to start a list of foods that I

really really really like, and do my darnedest to keep them on hand, because the

more access I have to those foods, the less I seem to want other things. I

thought I loved all pie, but nope. Pecan pie, lemon merengue, cheesecake, yes,

but not really any of the others, which are way too crusty, and the insides too

corn-starchy.

So making peace with food for me is turning into tuning into what I really

really want, and letting that be okay.

As far as the chocolate cupcake went, my head felt a little tight this morning,

but not a headache, and thinking about chocolate, I really have no desire to eat

any straight, though if there were another cupcake, or a piece of Germans

chocolate cake, I would probably have some, but not too much, becaus I really

don,t want a migraine.

Well. Sorry for rambling on so.....

Tilley

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> Subject: RE: Re: Principle #3 - Make Peace With Food

> To: IntuitiveEating_Support

> Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2011, 1:59 PM

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> “How to Become Naturally Thin by Eating More†by Antonello is in the

top two of my favorite books, right along with IE.  She has also written two

other books, one that deals more with classic eating disorders (although it was

very helpful, too) and one for kids.  My cousin is here visiting with her three

year old and I am admiring her approach to food with her daughter.  When her

daughter is hungry, she feeds her and when she’s full she “lets†her

stop.  Meanwhile, her sister (who lives here) is trying to coax the little one

to eat †" “One more bite†“You still have food left†or knowing that my

uncle is scowling because the little one is eating an hour before “dinnerâ€,

you know….the real dinner where everyone is supposed to sit together and clean

their plate whether they like the food or not.

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> Kate

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[Guest guest]

Ack, I'm still thinking about the making peace with food concept, and we're

already moving on to Principle #4. I think this #3 is going to be the thing

that I'm going to need to be thinking about, and " working on " for awhile. Most

of that work, I think, will just be in the form of observation.

And most of the observations have to do with my reactions to the food around me.

I was at a neighborhood gatherring last night, with a table piled high with

treats, and I found, that since I was allowed to have anything I wanted, that I

could be very objective about what I really wanted. I wasn't hungry because I

had eaten dinner, but since I live in a world filled with food, I have to be

allowed to eat it if I wanted to. Tortilla Chios with hot cheese sauce is one

of my favorites, but it sounded too salty for me. My ears have been bothering

me. Some interesting looking piles of homemade cookies. Too dry. Another kind

of soft Casey cookie with oatmeal and raisins. After a long time considering I

finally took one, and nibbled on it. Store-bought cookies, some of which had

garish green frosting. No thanks. Chocolate cupcakes with chocolate frosting.

I took one of those. The frosting wasn't,t promising, but the cake was soft,

moist and very chocolatey--yum. I ate that. But that was it. I felt. Nader no

compulsion to eat everything just because it was there. In an ideal world, I

probably wouldn't,t have had anything, since I wasn't,t hungry, but it was a

party, and the cupcake was good.

This week I have th rown out the rest of the pumpkin pie, and bought more pecans

to make another pecan pie. I think I'm going to start a list of foods that I

really really really like, and do my darnedest to keep them on hand, because the

more access I have to those foods, the less I seem to want other things. I

thought I loved all pie, but nope. Pecan pie, lemon merengue, cheesecake, yes,

but not really any of the others, which are way too crusty, and the insides too

corn-starchy.

So making peace with food for me is turning into tuning into what I really

really want, and letting that be okay.

As far as the chocolate cupcake went, my head felt a little tight this morning,

but not a headache, and thinking about chocolate, I really have no desire to eat

any straight, though if there were another cupcake, or a piece of Germans

chocolate cake, I would probably have some, but not too much, becaus I really

don,t want a migraine.

Well. Sorry for rambling on so.....

Tilley

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> Subject: RE: Re: Principle #3 - Make Peace With Food

> To: IntuitiveEating_Support

> Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2011, 1:59 PM

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>

>

> “How to Become Naturally Thin by Eating More†by Antonello is in the

top two of my favorite books, right along with IE.  She has also written two

other books, one that deals more with classic eating disorders (although it was

very helpful, too) and one for kids.  My cousin is here visiting with her three

year old and I am admiring her approach to food with her daughter.  When her

daughter is hungry, she feeds her and when she’s full she “lets†her

stop.  Meanwhile, her sister (who lives here) is trying to coax the little one

to eat †" “One more bite†“You still have food left†or knowing that my

uncle is scowling because the little one is eating an hour before “dinnerâ€,

you know….the real dinner where everyone is supposed to sit together and clean

their plate whether they like the food or not.

>  

> Kate

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[Guest guest]

There isn't a 'set' pace for reviewing the Principles and one certainly doesn't

have to conquer one before going onto the next one! I hadn't seen a lot of

response to #3 so thought I'd throw #4 out to see if that sparked anything for

anyone. If a member finds that s/he is working on ANY of the principles, for

sure post to that. The motivation of reviewing the Principles is to refresh our

journeys.

Katcha

IEing since March 2007

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> Ack, I'm still thinking about the making peace with food concept, and we're

already moving on to Principle #4.

[Guest guest]

Tilley,Great work! I love how positive your review of the party was. Especially that you gave yourself a pat on the back for eating [only] a cupcake when you weren't hungry because it was a party, and if you hadn't been so permissive, it seems you would've eaten more. I think this is AWESOME!

best,abby

 

There isn't a 'set' pace for reviewing the Principles and one certainly doesn't have to conquer one before going onto the next one! I hadn't seen a lot of response to #3 so thought I'd throw #4 out to see if that sparked anything for anyone. If a member finds that s/he is working on ANY of the principles, for sure post to that. The motivation of reviewing the Principles is to refresh our journeys.

Katcha

IEing since March 2007

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> Ack, I'm still thinking about the making peace with food concept, and we're already moving on to Principle #4.

[Guest guest]

I really liked Tilley's "party report," too!We went out to dinner last night with my husband's poker buddies and all the wives/girlfriends. I was jealous because it seemed everyone ordered entrees that came in much bigger servings than mine, but I had ordered a filet steak and crab cake, and the portions were small. I decided to eat slowly and make up for it with a major brownie bowl or something. But when the server came around asking about dessert, I found I didn't need it. Thought about getting it but thought how uncomfortably stuffed I'd feel and.... big coup.... did not order dessert in a restaurant because I was already satisfied!!!!! I would have regretted eating it (would have felt sick) but I did not regret *not* having had it. Yay! It's starting to kick

in!Ellie

Tilley,Great work! I love how positive your review of the party was. Especially that you gave yourself a pat on the back for eating [only] a cupcake when you weren't hungry because it was a party, and if you hadn't been so permissive, it seems you would've eaten more. I think this is AWESOME!

[Guest guest]

Way to go Ellie!Abby

 

I really liked Tilley's " party report, " too!

We went out to dinner last night with my husband's poker buddies and all the wives/girlfriends. I was jealous because it seemed everyone ordered entrees that came in much bigger servings than mine, but I had ordered a filet steak and crab cake, and the portions were small. I decided to eat slowly and make up for it with a major brownie bowl or something. But when the server came around asking about dessert, I found I didn't need it. Thought about getting it but thought how uncomfortably stuffed I'd feel and.... big coup.... did not order dessert in a restaurant because I was already satisfied!!!!! I would have regretted eating it (would have felt sick) but I did not regret *not* having had it. Yay! It's starting to kick

in!Ellie

 

Tilley,Great work! I love how positive your review of the party was. Especially that you gave yourself a pat on the back for eating [only] a cupcake when you weren't hungry because it was a party, and if you hadn't been so permissive, it seems you would've eaten more. I think this is AWESOME!

[Guest guest]

Way to go Ellie!Abby

 

I really liked Tilley's " party report, " too!

We went out to dinner last night with my husband's poker buddies and all the wives/girlfriends. I was jealous because it seemed everyone ordered entrees that came in much bigger servings than mine, but I had ordered a filet steak and crab cake, and the portions were small. I decided to eat slowly and make up for it with a major brownie bowl or something. But when the server came around asking about dessert, I found I didn't need it. Thought about getting it but thought how uncomfortably stuffed I'd feel and.... big coup.... did not order dessert in a restaurant because I was already satisfied!!!!! I would have regretted eating it (would have felt sick) but I did not regret *not* having had it. Yay! It's starting to kick

in!Ellie

 

Tilley,Great work! I love how positive your review of the party was. Especially that you gave yourself a pat on the back for eating [only] a cupcake when you weren't hungry because it was a party, and if you hadn't been so permissive, it seems you would've eaten more. I think this is AWESOME!

[Guest guest]

Snoopy dance for you Ellie!! Way to go and hope you are feeling so proud of

yourself too. That's a big accomplishment, especially eating out with others.

Bravo.

Katcha

IEing since March 2007

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> I really liked Tilley's " party report, " too!

>

> We went out to dinner last night with my husband's poker buddies and all the

wives/girlfriends. I was jealous because it seemed everyone ordered entrees that

came in much bigger servings than mine, but I had ordered a filet steak and crab

cake, and the portions were small. I decided to eat slowly and make up for it

with a major brownie bowl or something. But when the server came around asking

about dessert, I found I didn't need it. Thought about getting it but thought

how uncomfortably stuffed I'd feel and.... big coup.... did not order dessert in

a restaurant because I was already satisfied!!!!! I would have regretted eating

it (would have felt sick) but I did not regret *not* having had it. Yay! It's

starting to kick in!

>

> Ellie

[Guest guest]

I am enjoying reading about all of your successes. It is so helpful to read

about specific encounters and how you dealt with them.

Last night, we went to an asian restaurant for dinner. I enjoyed it very much

because I was moderately hungry and took about 3 bites more than I would have

enjoyed the most in my body. But I felt like I did well to stop before I felt

overfull.

Today, I have been enjoying a relaxing day and waiting for my hunger cues. I am

noticing that I am needing more home-cooked food and that I have a desire to try

out some new recipes. I am a bit overwhelmed by all the cookbooks and online

recipe resources. I'd like to just make some simple food but nothing specific is

really calling my name. I have a bunch of homemade goat cheese that I'd like to

use up but feel a bit clueless what to do with it.

I have been making peace with cheetos for the last 2 months since I started IE.

I have been noticing that I don't like them as much as I used to. I still enjoy

the texture but not the saltiness. I find that I eat them mindlessly while

watching Monk episodes. I feel like I need to be doing 'something' with my hands

and the cheetos are always 'handy.'

Vera

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> Call a truce; stop the food fight! Give yourself unconditional permission to

eat. If you tell yourself that you can't or shouldn't have a particular food, it

can lead to uncontrollable cravings and, often, bingeing. When you finally " give

in " to your forbidden foods, eating will be experienced with such intensity, it

usually results in Last Supper overeating and overwhelming guilt.

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