Guest guest Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Raw milk is legal in some states, including CA -- you can buy it in stores. In NY, where I live, it is legal if you buy it direct from the farmer. There was recently a problem with milk from one such dairy in CA and several children got very sick with Hemolytic Uremic Syndrome. Interestingly, I had milk from the same dairy last spring when I was visiting, and it gave me symptoms of lactose intolerance every time I had it... the only time I have had those symptoms in several years now! Apparently the farmer was using Holsteins and most other operations of organic milk, raw or not, use Jerseys and Guernsteins. Holsteins are known for producing large quantities of more watery milk -- perfect for our culture where low fat dairy is popular. Jerseys and Guernsteins produce smaller quantities of creamier milk -- less profit for the farmer. I now buy organic, grass fed milk that is pasteurized at a low temp and I am fine. I avoid the ultra pasteurized stuff as that, too, gives me symptoms of lactose intolerance. It seems that the government has declared 'raw' milk a hazard to public health and illegal to sell, cracking down on little micro farms that have. What a crock, but such are the times we live in. I would suggest that one find a little one man dairy operation but odds are those are long gone these days (unless you live near Amish?). My uncle was a dairyman in the 50s - early 70s and I remember gaining 5 or 10 pounds the week I visited his farm when I was a teen. Talk about full fat eating - wow did my cousins do that! But I also remember having raw milk, right from the cooling tank which was lovely to say the least. Didn't seem to endanger my health one bit, other than adding to my developing curves :-) LOL. Katcha IEing since March 2007 (HI Mimi! was wondering how you are - must have had a fabulous holiday - great to hear from you too) > > > > Subject: Re: Re: I Know Better > To: IntuitiveEating_Support > Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2011, 1:24 PM > > > > > > > > Lulu, > > > Hooray for you, for figuring out that you need to stay away from media images and stories, especially of dramatic weight loss! That was very true for me earlier in my IE journey... and now that I am away from them, I don't want them anymore! A lot like some of my other IE experiences! > > > I think those stories of dramatic weight loss give me a sense of excitement like starting a new diet. Dangerous! Because it always led to disappointment. > > > Now I miss the excitement being much more even keel... it's worth it! > > > Also, I LOVE raw milk! I felt SOOOOO great when I was drinking it every day! Unfortunately it's very difficult to get it now for me... I miss it. I drink whole fat organic grass fed dairy. pasteurized on low temps, and never ultrapasteurized, so it still has at least some of those good live properties, I hope... ultrapasteurized leads to a stomach ache and symptoms of lactose intolerance every time! > > > best, > > > Abby > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Raw milk is legal in some states, including CA -- you can buy it in stores. In NY, where I live, it is legal if you buy it direct from the farmer. There was recently a problem with milk from one such dairy in CA and several children got very sick with Hemolytic Uremic Syndrome. Interestingly, I had milk from the same dairy last spring when I was visiting, and it gave me symptoms of lactose intolerance every time I had it... the only time I have had those symptoms in several years now! Apparently the farmer was using Holsteins and most other operations of organic milk, raw or not, use Jerseys and Guernsteins. Holsteins are known for producing large quantities of more watery milk -- perfect for our culture where low fat dairy is popular. Jerseys and Guernsteins produce smaller quantities of creamier milk -- less profit for the farmer. I now buy organic, grass fed milk that is pasteurized at a low temp and I am fine. I avoid the ultra pasteurized stuff as that, too, gives me symptoms of lactose intolerance. It seems that the government has declared 'raw' milk a hazard to public health and illegal to sell, cracking down on little micro farms that have. What a crock, but such are the times we live in. I would suggest that one find a little one man dairy operation but odds are those are long gone these days (unless you live near Amish?). My uncle was a dairyman in the 50s - early 70s and I remember gaining 5 or 10 pounds the week I visited his farm when I was a teen. Talk about full fat eating - wow did my cousins do that! But I also remember having raw milk, right from the cooling tank which was lovely to say the least. Didn't seem to endanger my health one bit, other than adding to my developing curves :-) LOL. Katcha IEing since March 2007 (HI Mimi! was wondering how you are - must have had a fabulous holiday - great to hear from you too) > > > > Subject: Re: Re: I Know Better > To: IntuitiveEating_Support > Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2011, 1:24 PM > > > > > > > > Lulu, > > > Hooray for you, for figuring out that you need to stay away from media images and stories, especially of dramatic weight loss! That was very true for me earlier in my IE journey... and now that I am away from them, I don't want them anymore! A lot like some of my other IE experiences! > > > I think those stories of dramatic weight loss give me a sense of excitement like starting a new diet. Dangerous! Because it always led to disappointment. > > > Now I miss the excitement being much more even keel... it's worth it! > > > Also, I LOVE raw milk! I felt SOOOOO great when I was drinking it every day! Unfortunately it's very difficult to get it now for me... I miss it. I drink whole fat organic grass fed dairy. pasteurized on low temps, and never ultrapasteurized, so it still has at least some of those good live properties, I hope... ultrapasteurized leads to a stomach ache and symptoms of lactose intolerance every time! > > > best, > > > Abby > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Raw milk is legal in some states, including CA -- you can buy it in stores. In NY, where I live, it is legal if you buy it direct from the farmer. There was recently a problem with milk from one such dairy in CA and several children got very sick with Hemolytic Uremic Syndrome. Interestingly, I had milk from the same dairy last spring when I was visiting, and it gave me symptoms of lactose intolerance every time I had it... the only time I have had those symptoms in several years now! Apparently the farmer was using Holsteins and most other operations of organic milk, raw or not, use Jerseys and Guernsteins. Holsteins are known for producing large quantities of more watery milk -- perfect for our culture where low fat dairy is popular. Jerseys and Guernsteins produce smaller quantities of creamier milk -- less profit for the farmer. I now buy organic, grass fed milk that is pasteurized at a low temp and I am fine. I avoid the ultra pasteurized stuff as that, too, gives me symptoms of lactose intolerance. It seems that the government has declared 'raw' milk a hazard to public health and illegal to sell, cracking down on little micro farms that have. What a crock, but such are the times we live in. I would suggest that one find a little one man dairy operation but odds are those are long gone these days (unless you live near Amish?). My uncle was a dairyman in the 50s - early 70s and I remember gaining 5 or 10 pounds the week I visited his farm when I was a teen. Talk about full fat eating - wow did my cousins do that! But I also remember having raw milk, right from the cooling tank which was lovely to say the least. Didn't seem to endanger my health one bit, other than adding to my developing curves :-) LOL. Katcha IEing since March 2007 (HI Mimi! was wondering how you are - must have had a fabulous holiday - great to hear from you too) > > > > Subject: Re: Re: I Know Better > To: IntuitiveEating_Support > Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2011, 1:24 PM > > > > > > > > Lulu, > > > Hooray for you, for figuring out that you need to stay away from media images and stories, especially of dramatic weight loss! That was very true for me earlier in my IE journey... and now that I am away from them, I don't want them anymore! A lot like some of my other IE experiences! > > > I think those stories of dramatic weight loss give me a sense of excitement like starting a new diet. Dangerous! Because it always led to disappointment. > > > Now I miss the excitement being much more even keel... it's worth it! > > > Also, I LOVE raw milk! I felt SOOOOO great when I was drinking it every day! Unfortunately it's very difficult to get it now for me... I miss it. I drink whole fat organic grass fed dairy. pasteurized on low temps, and never ultrapasteurized, so it still has at least some of those good live properties, I hope... ultrapasteurized leads to a stomach ache and symptoms of lactose intolerance every time! > > > best, > > > Abby > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Thanks for the informed feedback Abby. I live in CA and would have suspected otherwise - guess the nature lovers here have had their way - keeping that option open. Yay for choice! Of course anyone who buys raw milk should be making sure that the cows it comes from have been fully vaccinated (TB etc.). I did see an ad for 'sharing' of a milk cow in a nearby little town and they included full vaccination in the ad. Katcha > > Raw milk is legal in some states, including CA -- you can buy it in stores. > In NY, where I live, it is legal if you buy it direct from the farmer. > > There was recently a problem with milk from one such dairy in CA and > several children got very sick with Hemolytic Uremic Syndrome. > Interestingly, I had milk from the same dairy last spring when I was > visiting, and it gave me symptoms of lactose intolerance every time I had > it... the only time I have had those symptoms in several years now! > Apparently the farmer was using Holsteins and most other operations of > organic milk, raw or not, use Jerseys and Guernsteins. Holsteins are known > for producing large quantities of more watery milk -- perfect for our > culture where low fat dairy is popular. Jerseys and Guernsteins produce > smaller quantities of creamier milk -- less profit for the farmer. > > I now buy organic, grass fed milk that is pasteurized at a low temp and I > am fine. I avoid the ultra pasteurized stuff as that, too, gives me > symptoms of lactose intolerance. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Thanks for the informed feedback Abby. I live in CA and would have suspected otherwise - guess the nature lovers here have had their way - keeping that option open. Yay for choice! Of course anyone who buys raw milk should be making sure that the cows it comes from have been fully vaccinated (TB etc.). I did see an ad for 'sharing' of a milk cow in a nearby little town and they included full vaccination in the ad. Katcha > > Raw milk is legal in some states, including CA -- you can buy it in stores. > In NY, where I live, it is legal if you buy it direct from the farmer. > > There was recently a problem with milk from one such dairy in CA and > several children got very sick with Hemolytic Uremic Syndrome. > Interestingly, I had milk from the same dairy last spring when I was > visiting, and it gave me symptoms of lactose intolerance every time I had > it... the only time I have had those symptoms in several years now! > Apparently the farmer was using Holsteins and most other operations of > organic milk, raw or not, use Jerseys and Guernsteins. Holsteins are known > for producing large quantities of more watery milk -- perfect for our > culture where low fat dairy is popular. Jerseys and Guernsteins produce > smaller quantities of creamier milk -- less profit for the farmer. > > I now buy organic, grass fed milk that is pasteurized at a low temp and I > am fine. I avoid the ultra pasteurized stuff as that, too, gives me > symptoms of lactose intolerance. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Thanks for the informed feedback Abby. I live in CA and would have suspected otherwise - guess the nature lovers here have had their way - keeping that option open. Yay for choice! Of course anyone who buys raw milk should be making sure that the cows it comes from have been fully vaccinated (TB etc.). I did see an ad for 'sharing' of a milk cow in a nearby little town and they included full vaccination in the ad. Katcha > > Raw milk is legal in some states, including CA -- you can buy it in stores. > In NY, where I live, it is legal if you buy it direct from the farmer. > > There was recently a problem with milk from one such dairy in CA and > several children got very sick with Hemolytic Uremic Syndrome. > Interestingly, I had milk from the same dairy last spring when I was > visiting, and it gave me symptoms of lactose intolerance every time I had > it... the only time I have had those symptoms in several years now! > Apparently the farmer was using Holsteins and most other operations of > organic milk, raw or not, use Jerseys and Guernsteins. Holsteins are known > for producing large quantities of more watery milk -- perfect for our > culture where low fat dairy is popular. Jerseys and Guernsteins produce > smaller quantities of creamier milk -- less profit for the farmer. > > I now buy organic, grass fed milk that is pasteurized at a low temp and I > am fine. I avoid the ultra pasteurized stuff as that, too, gives me > symptoms of lactose intolerance. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 There is a little store not far from me that sells raw milk – I think it’s labeled for animal use only, but of course that’s not why people buy it. Kate On Behalf Of jain_daugh It seems that the government has declared 'raw' milk a hazard to public health and illegal to sell, cracking down on little micro farms that have. What a crock, but such are the times we live in. I would suggest that one find a little one man dairy operation but odds are those are long gone these days (unless you live near Amish?). My uncle was a dairyman in the 50s - early 70s and I remember gaining 5 or 10 pounds the week I visited his farm when I was a teen. Talk about full fat eating - wow did my cousins do that! But I also remember having raw milk, right from the cooling tank which was lovely to say the least. Didn't seem to endanger my health one bit, other than adding to my developing curves :-) LOL. Katcha IEing since March 2007 (HI Mimi! was wondering how you are - must have had a fabulous holiday - great to hear from you too) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 There is a little store not far from me that sells raw milk – I think it’s labeled for animal use only, but of course that’s not why people buy it. Kate On Behalf Of jain_daugh It seems that the government has declared 'raw' milk a hazard to public health and illegal to sell, cracking down on little micro farms that have. What a crock, but such are the times we live in. I would suggest that one find a little one man dairy operation but odds are those are long gone these days (unless you live near Amish?). My uncle was a dairyman in the 50s - early 70s and I remember gaining 5 or 10 pounds the week I visited his farm when I was a teen. Talk about full fat eating - wow did my cousins do that! But I also remember having raw milk, right from the cooling tank which was lovely to say the least. Didn't seem to endanger my health one bit, other than adding to my developing curves :-) LOL. Katcha IEing since March 2007 (HI Mimi! was wondering how you are - must have had a fabulous holiday - great to hear from you too) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 There is a little store not far from me that sells raw milk – I think it’s labeled for animal use only, but of course that’s not why people buy it. Kate On Behalf Of jain_daugh It seems that the government has declared 'raw' milk a hazard to public health and illegal to sell, cracking down on little micro farms that have. What a crock, but such are the times we live in. I would suggest that one find a little one man dairy operation but odds are those are long gone these days (unless you live near Amish?). My uncle was a dairyman in the 50s - early 70s and I remember gaining 5 or 10 pounds the week I visited his farm when I was a teen. Talk about full fat eating - wow did my cousins do that! But I also remember having raw milk, right from the cooling tank which was lovely to say the least. Didn't seem to endanger my health one bit, other than adding to my developing curves :-) LOL. Katcha IEing since March 2007 (HI Mimi! was wondering how you are - must have had a fabulous holiday - great to hear from you too) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 Yes, Katcha, it's a pain to find a farmer who will sell you raw milk. I think it's ludicrous that our government "protects" us from raw milk (the sanitary practices in farms are so advanced now, the risk of unwanted bacteria in the milk is minimized), but it perfectly OK to sell milk laden with hormones and food that has ingredients that the government itself as declared carcinogenic. Makes total sense, right? Ugh. Mimi Subject: Re: I Know BetterTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 10:39 AM It seems that the government has declared 'raw' milk a hazard to public health and illegal to sell, cracking down on little micro farms that have. What a crock, but such are the times we live in. I would suggest that one find a little one man dairy operation but odds are those are long gone these days (unless you live near Amish?). My uncle was a dairyman in the 50s - early 70s and I remember gaining 5 or 10 pounds the week I visited his farm when I was a teen. Talk about full fat eating - wow did my cousins do that! But I also remember having raw milk, right from the cooling tank which was lovely to say the least. Didn't seem to endanger my health one bit, other than adding to my developing curves :-) LOL. Katcha IEing since March 2007(HI Mimi! was wondering how you are - must have had a fabulous holiday - great to hear from you too) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 Yes, Katcha, it's a pain to find a farmer who will sell you raw milk. I think it's ludicrous that our government "protects" us from raw milk (the sanitary practices in farms are so advanced now, the risk of unwanted bacteria in the milk is minimized), but it perfectly OK to sell milk laden with hormones and food that has ingredients that the government itself as declared carcinogenic. Makes total sense, right? Ugh. Mimi Subject: Re: I Know BetterTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 10:39 AM It seems that the government has declared 'raw' milk a hazard to public health and illegal to sell, cracking down on little micro farms that have. What a crock, but such are the times we live in. I would suggest that one find a little one man dairy operation but odds are those are long gone these days (unless you live near Amish?). My uncle was a dairyman in the 50s - early 70s and I remember gaining 5 or 10 pounds the week I visited his farm when I was a teen. Talk about full fat eating - wow did my cousins do that! But I also remember having raw milk, right from the cooling tank which was lovely to say the least. Didn't seem to endanger my health one bit, other than adding to my developing curves :-) LOL. Katcha IEing since March 2007(HI Mimi! was wondering how you are - must have had a fabulous holiday - great to hear from you too) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 Yes, Katcha, it's a pain to find a farmer who will sell you raw milk. I think it's ludicrous that our government "protects" us from raw milk (the sanitary practices in farms are so advanced now, the risk of unwanted bacteria in the milk is minimized), but it perfectly OK to sell milk laden with hormones and food that has ingredients that the government itself as declared carcinogenic. Makes total sense, right? Ugh. Mimi Subject: Re: I Know BetterTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 10:39 AM It seems that the government has declared 'raw' milk a hazard to public health and illegal to sell, cracking down on little micro farms that have. What a crock, but such are the times we live in. I would suggest that one find a little one man dairy operation but odds are those are long gone these days (unless you live near Amish?). My uncle was a dairyman in the 50s - early 70s and I remember gaining 5 or 10 pounds the week I visited his farm when I was a teen. Talk about full fat eating - wow did my cousins do that! But I also remember having raw milk, right from the cooling tank which was lovely to say the least. Didn't seem to endanger my health one bit, other than adding to my developing curves :-) LOL. Katcha IEing since March 2007(HI Mimi! was wondering how you are - must have had a fabulous holiday - great to hear from you too) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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