Re: Re: Keeping an Eye Open

[Guest guest]

Thanks, ladies. I actually put down food that was only half-eaten today when I got that full feeling. I can't remember when I've done that! I thought about what I had written the other day, "It's OK to stop eating now," and realized how icky my stomach would feel if I finished, and I threw it out. There was no reason to keep eating (other than that it tasted good) and now I feel more confident that I can do that again.It's hard to know how much discipline is enough. Obviously we are working against over-discipline but *no* discipline is not a good thing either.Ellie I got to that point a few weeks ago, too. Honestly, I hadn't been honoring my fullness levels very much and I could feel myself gaining. When I got to the "uh oh" part, I experimented with restriction again, which worked like gangbusters, BUT put me back into that bleak world where food was labeled "allowed" and "not allowed" and I sadly stopped baking bread and cut off other activities I enjoyed. That lasted all of two weeks before I committed once again to really honoring my body and listening to myself.

Since then, stopping at full has been much easier. I think I needed

to be reminded what restriction was really like and to ease up on last supper eating (which I was doing because I had restriction on the mind).

I feel that my weight has stabilized since then and I am working to really listen. One thing that amazed me is that it is not a constant struggle anymore. Someone on here wrote that Geneen Roth told her that overeating just "wouldn't make a lot of sense" to her after she'd been practicing IE for a while. I have had moments where this has been true, and I'm thrilled. I no longer immediately think of food when I have an uncomfortable emotion, etc. It just doesn't make sense to overeat the way it used to. I know this is a journey and not linear, but I am happy for these new-found insights.

Mimi I hear you. I recently started to get uncomfortable with what feels like a weight gain over the past few months. And while I realize some weight gain is normal when starting out on IE, I decided to see if I could interrupt whatever was leading me to overeat.

I started reading my copy of The Overfed Head which is helping me listen more closely to the body. I realize now that I've been lying to myself a bit by luxuriating in eating and not bothering to notice as truthfully the effects of my eating. Also, I've been in my head with this more than in my body.

Right now - I'm hungry and asking what I actually feel like eating, rather than reflexing into choosing what I'd want if my fff's were to become illegal again tomorrow.

It's tricky though - and sometimes I lie to myself about what I want because my head is still in the power/control game. I'm learning that if I sort of breathe into the body - I can tell if I really want something or not.

Takes discipline though; something I've never been long on. But, I'm learning.

Sandarah

[Guest guest]

Thanks, ladies. I actually put down food that was only half-eaten today when I got that full feeling. I can't remember when I've done that! I thought about what I had written the other day, "It's OK to stop eating now," and realized how icky my stomach would feel if I finished, and I threw it out. There was no reason to keep eating (other than that it tasted good) and now I feel more confident that I can do that again.It's hard to know how much discipline is enough. Obviously we are working against over-discipline but *no* discipline is not a good thing either.Ellie I got to that point a few weeks ago, too. Honestly, I hadn't been honoring my fullness levels very much and I could feel myself gaining. When I got to the "uh oh" part, I experimented with restriction again, which worked like gangbusters, BUT put me back into that bleak world where food was labeled "allowed" and "not allowed" and I sadly stopped baking bread and cut off other activities I enjoyed. That lasted all of two weeks before I committed once again to really honoring my body and listening to myself.

Since then, stopping at full has been much easier. I think I needed

to be reminded what restriction was really like and to ease up on last supper eating (which I was doing because I had restriction on the mind).

I feel that my weight has stabilized since then and I am working to really listen. One thing that amazed me is that it is not a constant struggle anymore. Someone on here wrote that Geneen Roth told her that overeating just "wouldn't make a lot of sense" to her after she'd been practicing IE for a while. I have had moments where this has been true, and I'm thrilled. I no longer immediately think of food when I have an uncomfortable emotion, etc. It just doesn't make sense to overeat the way it used to. I know this is a journey and not linear, but I am happy for these new-found insights.

Mimi I hear you. I recently started to get uncomfortable with what feels like a weight gain over the past few months. And while I realize some weight gain is normal when starting out on IE, I decided to see if I could interrupt whatever was leading me to overeat.

I started reading my copy of The Overfed Head which is helping me listen more closely to the body. I realize now that I've been lying to myself a bit by luxuriating in eating and not bothering to notice as truthfully the effects of my eating. Also, I've been in my head with this more than in my body.

Right now - I'm hungry and asking what I actually feel like eating, rather than reflexing into choosing what I'd want if my fff's were to become illegal again tomorrow.

It's tricky though - and sometimes I lie to myself about what I want because my head is still in the power/control game. I'm learning that if I sort of breathe into the body - I can tell if I really want something or not.

Takes discipline though; something I've never been long on. But, I'm learning.

Sandarah

[Guest guest]

Thanks, ladies. I actually put down food that was only half-eaten today when I got that full feeling. I can't remember when I've done that! I thought about what I had written the other day, "It's OK to stop eating now," and realized how icky my stomach would feel if I finished, and I threw it out. There was no reason to keep eating (other than that it tasted good) and now I feel more confident that I can do that again.It's hard to know how much discipline is enough. Obviously we are working against over-discipline but *no* discipline is not a good thing either.Ellie I got to that point a few weeks ago, too. Honestly, I hadn't been honoring my fullness levels very much and I could feel myself gaining. When I got to the "uh oh" part, I experimented with restriction again, which worked like gangbusters, BUT put me back into that bleak world where food was labeled "allowed" and "not allowed" and I sadly stopped baking bread and cut off other activities I enjoyed. That lasted all of two weeks before I committed once again to really honoring my body and listening to myself.

Since then, stopping at full has been much easier. I think I needed

to be reminded what restriction was really like and to ease up on last supper eating (which I was doing because I had restriction on the mind).

I feel that my weight has stabilized since then and I am working to really listen. One thing that amazed me is that it is not a constant struggle anymore. Someone on here wrote that Geneen Roth told her that overeating just "wouldn't make a lot of sense" to her after she'd been practicing IE for a while. I have had moments where this has been true, and I'm thrilled. I no longer immediately think of food when I have an uncomfortable emotion, etc. It just doesn't make sense to overeat the way it used to. I know this is a journey and not linear, but I am happy for these new-found insights.

Mimi I hear you. I recently started to get uncomfortable with what feels like a weight gain over the past few months. And while I realize some weight gain is normal when starting out on IE, I decided to see if I could interrupt whatever was leading me to overeat.

I started reading my copy of The Overfed Head which is helping me listen more closely to the body. I realize now that I've been lying to myself a bit by luxuriating in eating and not bothering to notice as truthfully the effects of my eating. Also, I've been in my head with this more than in my body.

Right now - I'm hungry and asking what I actually feel like eating, rather than reflexing into choosing what I'd want if my fff's were to become illegal again tomorrow.

It's tricky though - and sometimes I lie to myself about what I want because my head is still in the power/control game. I'm learning that if I sort of breathe into the body - I can tell if I really want something or not.

Takes discipline though; something I've never been long on. But, I'm learning.

Sandarah

[Guest guest]

a while back, folks were talking about " mouth hunger " versus " stomach hunger. " i thought this was a helpful thing to think about. what sounds like it would taste good right now versus what would feel good in my stomach.

not to say that you shouldn't ever listen to stomach hunger... but maybe it's good to just differentiate between the two. and in reference to the very funny " conversation " about eating a pound of bacon to avoid eating an apple, which i loved... i have to say that eating an apple off the tree would be listening to mouth hunger, not stomach hunger. that is, even if i am hungry, eating an apple alone leaves me feeling AWFUL. my blood sugar plunges and i can't keep my eyes open. i HATE that feelings.

so even a " healthy " food like an apple isn't always healthy.of course, pair that apple with some peanut butter and i feel great! but some folks thing foods with fat are the devil, which just goes to show that " healthy food " is relative.

best,abby

 

Thanks, ladies. I actually put down food that was only half-eaten today when I got that full feeling. I can't remember when I've done that! I thought about what I had written the other day, " It's OK to stop eating now, " and realized how icky my stomach would feel if I finished, and I threw it out. There was no reason to keep eating (other than that it tasted good) and now I feel more confident that I can do that again.

It's hard to know how much discipline is enough. Obviously we are working against over-discipline but *no* discipline is not a good thing either.

Ellie

I got to that point a few weeks ago, too. Honestly, I hadn't been honoring my fullness levels very much and I could feel myself gaining. When I got to the " uh oh " part, I experimented with restriction again, which worked like gangbusters, BUT put me back into that bleak world where food was labeled " allowed " and " not allowed " and I sadly stopped baking bread and cut off other activities I enjoyed. That lasted all of two weeks before I committed once again to really honoring my body and listening to myself.

 

Since then, stopping at full has been much easier. I think I needed

to be reminded what restriction was really like and to ease up on last supper eating (which I was doing because I had restriction on the mind).

I feel that my weight has stabilized since then and I am working to really listen. One thing that amazed me is that it is not a constant struggle anymore. Someone on here wrote that Geneen Roth told her that overeating just " wouldn't make a lot of sense " to her after she'd been practicing IE for a while. I have had moments where this has been true, and I'm thrilled. I no longer immediately think of food when I have an uncomfortable emotion, etc. It just doesn't make sense to overeat the way it used to. I know this is a journey and not linear, but I am happy for these new-found insights.

 

Mimi

I hear you. I recently started to get uncomfortable with what feels like a weight gain over the past few months. And while I realize some weight gain is normal when starting out on IE, I decided to see if I could interrupt whatever was leading me to overeat.

I started reading my copy of The Overfed Head which is helping me listen more closely to the body. I realize now that I've been lying to myself a bit by luxuriating in eating and not bothering to notice as truthfully the effects of my eating. Also, I've been in my head with this more than in my body.

Right now - I'm hungry and asking what I actually feel like eating, rather than reflexing into choosing what I'd want if my fff's were to become illegal again tomorrow.

It's tricky though - and sometimes I lie to myself about what I want because my head is still in the power/control game. I'm learning that if I sort of breathe into the body - I can tell if I really want something or not.

Takes discipline though; something I've never been long on. But, I'm learning.

Sandarah

[Guest guest]

a while back, folks were talking about " mouth hunger " versus " stomach hunger. " i thought this was a helpful thing to think about. what sounds like it would taste good right now versus what would feel good in my stomach.

not to say that you shouldn't ever listen to stomach hunger... but maybe it's good to just differentiate between the two. and in reference to the very funny " conversation " about eating a pound of bacon to avoid eating an apple, which i loved... i have to say that eating an apple off the tree would be listening to mouth hunger, not stomach hunger. that is, even if i am hungry, eating an apple alone leaves me feeling AWFUL. my blood sugar plunges and i can't keep my eyes open. i HATE that feelings.

so even a " healthy " food like an apple isn't always healthy.of course, pair that apple with some peanut butter and i feel great! but some folks thing foods with fat are the devil, which just goes to show that " healthy food " is relative.

best,abby

 

Thanks, ladies. I actually put down food that was only half-eaten today when I got that full feeling. I can't remember when I've done that! I thought about what I had written the other day, " It's OK to stop eating now, " and realized how icky my stomach would feel if I finished, and I threw it out. There was no reason to keep eating (other than that it tasted good) and now I feel more confident that I can do that again.

It's hard to know how much discipline is enough. Obviously we are working against over-discipline but *no* discipline is not a good thing either.

Ellie

I got to that point a few weeks ago, too. Honestly, I hadn't been honoring my fullness levels very much and I could feel myself gaining. When I got to the " uh oh " part, I experimented with restriction again, which worked like gangbusters, BUT put me back into that bleak world where food was labeled " allowed " and " not allowed " and I sadly stopped baking bread and cut off other activities I enjoyed. That lasted all of two weeks before I committed once again to really honoring my body and listening to myself.

 

Since then, stopping at full has been much easier. I think I needed

to be reminded what restriction was really like and to ease up on last supper eating (which I was doing because I had restriction on the mind).

I feel that my weight has stabilized since then and I am working to really listen. One thing that amazed me is that it is not a constant struggle anymore. Someone on here wrote that Geneen Roth told her that overeating just " wouldn't make a lot of sense " to her after she'd been practicing IE for a while. I have had moments where this has been true, and I'm thrilled. I no longer immediately think of food when I have an uncomfortable emotion, etc. It just doesn't make sense to overeat the way it used to. I know this is a journey and not linear, but I am happy for these new-found insights.

 

Mimi

I hear you. I recently started to get uncomfortable with what feels like a weight gain over the past few months. And while I realize some weight gain is normal when starting out on IE, I decided to see if I could interrupt whatever was leading me to overeat.

I started reading my copy of The Overfed Head which is helping me listen more closely to the body. I realize now that I've been lying to myself a bit by luxuriating in eating and not bothering to notice as truthfully the effects of my eating. Also, I've been in my head with this more than in my body.

Right now - I'm hungry and asking what I actually feel like eating, rather than reflexing into choosing what I'd want if my fff's were to become illegal again tomorrow.

It's tricky though - and sometimes I lie to myself about what I want because my head is still in the power/control game. I'm learning that if I sort of breathe into the body - I can tell if I really want something or not.

Takes discipline though; something I've never been long on. But, I'm learning.

Sandarah

[Guest guest]

Definitely, adding fat and protein to a sweet food (even fruit) slows its impact on the blood sugar mechanism. Fats aren't bad! Except "partially hydrogenated vegetable oil" (solid vegetable shortening like Crisco) -- although as they said in the movie "The Help," it's great for squeaky hinges, chapped skin, diaper rash, and pretty much anything that needs an all-purpose lube -- just don't eat it! (At least, not much...)Ellie To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2011 2:43 PM Subject: Re: Re: Keeping an Eye Open

a while back, folks were talking about "mouth hunger" versus "stomach hunger."i thought this was a helpful thing to think about. what sounds like it would taste good right now versus what would feel good in my stomach.

not to say that you shouldn't ever listen to stomach hunger... but maybe it's good to just differentiate between the two. and in reference to the very funny "conversation" about eating a pound of bacon to avoid eating an apple, which i loved... i have to say that eating an apple off the tree would be listening to mouth hunger, not stomach hunger. that is, even if i am hungry, eating an apple alone leaves me feeling AWFUL. my blood sugar plunges and i can't keep my eyes open. i HATE that feelings.

so even a "healthy" food like an apple isn't always healthy.of course, pair that apple with some peanut butter and i feel great! but some folks thing foods with fat are the devil, which just goes to show that "healthy food" is relative.

best,abby

[Guest guest]

Definitely, adding fat and protein to a sweet food (even fruit) slows its impact on the blood sugar mechanism. Fats aren't bad! Except "partially hydrogenated vegetable oil" (solid vegetable shortening like Crisco) -- although as they said in the movie "The Help," it's great for squeaky hinges, chapped skin, diaper rash, and pretty much anything that needs an all-purpose lube -- just don't eat it! (At least, not much...)Ellie To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2011 2:43 PM Subject: Re: Re: Keeping an Eye Open

a while back, folks were talking about "mouth hunger" versus "stomach hunger."i thought this was a helpful thing to think about. what sounds like it would taste good right now versus what would feel good in my stomach.

not to say that you shouldn't ever listen to stomach hunger... but maybe it's good to just differentiate between the two. and in reference to the very funny "conversation" about eating a pound of bacon to avoid eating an apple, which i loved... i have to say that eating an apple off the tree would be listening to mouth hunger, not stomach hunger. that is, even if i am hungry, eating an apple alone leaves me feeling AWFUL. my blood sugar plunges and i can't keep my eyes open. i HATE that feelings.

so even a "healthy" food like an apple isn't always healthy.of course, pair that apple with some peanut butter and i feel great! but some folks thing foods with fat are the devil, which just goes to show that "healthy food" is relative.

best,abby

[Guest guest]

Definitely, adding fat and protein to a sweet food (even fruit) slows its impact on the blood sugar mechanism. Fats aren't bad! Except "partially hydrogenated vegetable oil" (solid vegetable shortening like Crisco) -- although as they said in the movie "The Help," it's great for squeaky hinges, chapped skin, diaper rash, and pretty much anything that needs an all-purpose lube -- just don't eat it! (At least, not much...)Ellie To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2011 2:43 PM Subject: Re: Re: Keeping an Eye Open

a while back, folks were talking about "mouth hunger" versus "stomach hunger."i thought this was a helpful thing to think about. what sounds like it would taste good right now versus what would feel good in my stomach.

not to say that you shouldn't ever listen to stomach hunger... but maybe it's good to just differentiate between the two. and in reference to the very funny "conversation" about eating a pound of bacon to avoid eating an apple, which i loved... i have to say that eating an apple off the tree would be listening to mouth hunger, not stomach hunger. that is, even if i am hungry, eating an apple alone leaves me feeling AWFUL. my blood sugar plunges and i can't keep my eyes open. i HATE that feelings.

so even a "healthy" food like an apple isn't always healthy.of course, pair that apple with some peanut butter and i feel great! but some folks thing foods with fat are the devil, which just goes to show that "healthy food" is relative.

best,abby

[Guest guest]

Thinking of the desire for a food (usually outside of physical need) as the memory of having had pleasant sensations with it before -- this very interesting. It brings me a question: remembering the taste and sensations from before, wanting it again, remembering that when I had that before I wanted more and more and couldn't stop and ate too much of it, unwisely..... is it possible that it *might* be better just not to start on that one? Is it possible my intuition is telling me not to go there?Ellie To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Friday, December 9, 2011 7:18 AM Subject: Re: Keeping an Eye Open

I don't actually like the term "mouth hunger at all", because for me it doesn't seem to be coming from my mouth. It's more like mind-hunger. It's my mind that tells me that it wants something. Stomach hunger I get, though sometimes it's more like whole body. A character talked about that in Barbara Kingsolver's Poisonwood Bible, where the family was essentially starving, the difference between stomach hunger and body hunger. She said the feeling in your stomach goes away, but then your whole body in NEEDING food. Of course we're never at that point, but sometimes I will get a bit shaky, and very cranky, and be unable to make any decisions, and my first thought is not that I am hungry, but usually I am, and eating takes care of it.

Ideally, what your mouth wants will be something that will satisfy your body as well. I'm really trying to listen to that.

Tilley

> > >

> > > a while back, folks were talking about "mouth hunger" versus "stomach

> > > hunger."

> > >

> > > i thought this was a helpful thing to think about. what sounds like it

> > > would taste good right now versus what would feel good in my stomach.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Ellie, I have some foods I still can not have in the house without devouring them, like chocolate, cookies, etc. So I choose not to buy them.  I have not been able to get to the point where I see them as neither bad or good.  I still think in terms of willpower, but am re-evaluating that as perhaps my intuition is telling me that those foods do not honor my body.  And for me it is not just being over weight, but having a fatty liver that is inflamed and that is not good.  The doctor told me the only solution is to lose weight and take vitamin E. So fatty foods and sugary foods that are changed into fat do not honor my body. Exercise would help a lot too. Sandy

 

Thinking of the desire for a food (usually outside of physical need) as the memory of having had pleasant sensations with it before -- this very interesting. 

It brings me a question: remembering the taste and sensations from before, wanting it again, remembering that when I had that before I wanted more and more and couldn't stop and ate too much of it, unwisely..... is it possible that it *might* be better just not to start on that one? Is it possible my intuition is telling me not to go there?

Ellie

To: IntuitiveEating_Support

Sent: Friday, December 9, 2011 7:18 AM Subject: Re: Keeping an Eye Open

 

I don't actually like the term " mouth hunger at all " , because for me it doesn't seem to be coming from my mouth. It's more like mind-hunger. It's my mind that tells me that it wants something. Stomach hunger I get, though sometimes it's more like whole body. A character talked about that in Barbara Kingsolver's Poisonwood Bible, where the family was essentially starving, the difference between stomach hunger and body hunger. She said the feeling in your stomach goes away, but then your whole body in NEEDING food. Of course we're never at that point, but sometimes I will get a bit shaky, and very cranky, and be unable to make any decisions, and my first thought is not that I am hungry, but usually I am, and eating takes care of it.

Ideally, what your mouth wants will be something that will satisfy your body as well. I'm really trying to listen to that.

Tilley

> > >

> > > a while back, folks were talking about " mouth hunger " versus " stomach

> > > hunger. "

> > >

> > > i thought this was a helpful thing to think about. what sounds like it

> > > would taste good right now versus what would feel good in my stomach.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Ellie, I have some foods I still can not have in the house without devouring them, like chocolate, cookies, etc. So I choose not to buy them.  I have not been able to get to the point where I see them as neither bad or good.  I still think in terms of willpower, but am re-evaluating that as perhaps my intuition is telling me that those foods do not honor my body.  And for me it is not just being over weight, but having a fatty liver that is inflamed and that is not good.  The doctor told me the only solution is to lose weight and take vitamin E. So fatty foods and sugary foods that are changed into fat do not honor my body. Exercise would help a lot too. Sandy

 

Thinking of the desire for a food (usually outside of physical need) as the memory of having had pleasant sensations with it before -- this very interesting. 

It brings me a question: remembering the taste and sensations from before, wanting it again, remembering that when I had that before I wanted more and more and couldn't stop and ate too much of it, unwisely..... is it possible that it *might* be better just not to start on that one? Is it possible my intuition is telling me not to go there?

Ellie

To: IntuitiveEating_Support

Sent: Friday, December 9, 2011 7:18 AM Subject: Re: Keeping an Eye Open

 

I don't actually like the term " mouth hunger at all " , because for me it doesn't seem to be coming from my mouth. It's more like mind-hunger. It's my mind that tells me that it wants something. Stomach hunger I get, though sometimes it's more like whole body. A character talked about that in Barbara Kingsolver's Poisonwood Bible, where the family was essentially starving, the difference between stomach hunger and body hunger. She said the feeling in your stomach goes away, but then your whole body in NEEDING food. Of course we're never at that point, but sometimes I will get a bit shaky, and very cranky, and be unable to make any decisions, and my first thought is not that I am hungry, but usually I am, and eating takes care of it.

Ideally, what your mouth wants will be something that will satisfy your body as well. I'm really trying to listen to that.

Tilley

> > >

> > > a while back, folks were talking about " mouth hunger " versus " stomach

> > > hunger. "

> > >

> > > i thought this was a helpful thing to think about. what sounds like it

> > > would taste good right now versus what would feel good in my stomach.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Ellie, I have some foods I still can not have in the house without devouring them, like chocolate, cookies, etc. So I choose not to buy them.  I have not been able to get to the point where I see them as neither bad or good.  I still think in terms of willpower, but am re-evaluating that as perhaps my intuition is telling me that those foods do not honor my body.  And for me it is not just being over weight, but having a fatty liver that is inflamed and that is not good.  The doctor told me the only solution is to lose weight and take vitamin E. So fatty foods and sugary foods that are changed into fat do not honor my body. Exercise would help a lot too. Sandy

 

Thinking of the desire for a food (usually outside of physical need) as the memory of having had pleasant sensations with it before -- this very interesting. 

It brings me a question: remembering the taste and sensations from before, wanting it again, remembering that when I had that before I wanted more and more and couldn't stop and ate too much of it, unwisely..... is it possible that it *might* be better just not to start on that one? Is it possible my intuition is telling me not to go there?

Ellie

To: IntuitiveEating_Support

Sent: Friday, December 9, 2011 7:18 AM Subject: Re: Keeping an Eye Open

 

I don't actually like the term " mouth hunger at all " , because for me it doesn't seem to be coming from my mouth. It's more like mind-hunger. It's my mind that tells me that it wants something. Stomach hunger I get, though sometimes it's more like whole body. A character talked about that in Barbara Kingsolver's Poisonwood Bible, where the family was essentially starving, the difference between stomach hunger and body hunger. She said the feeling in your stomach goes away, but then your whole body in NEEDING food. Of course we're never at that point, but sometimes I will get a bit shaky, and very cranky, and be unable to make any decisions, and my first thought is not that I am hungry, but usually I am, and eating takes care of it.

Ideally, what your mouth wants will be something that will satisfy your body as well. I'm really trying to listen to that.

Tilley

> > >

> > > a while back, folks were talking about " mouth hunger " versus " stomach

> > > hunger. "

> > >

> > > i thought this was a helpful thing to think about. what sounds like it

> > > would taste good right now versus what would feel good in my stomach.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

They're good..... too many of them are bad :-) Ellie

Ellie, I have some foods I still can not have in the house without devouring them, like chocolate, cookies, etc. So I choose not to buy them. I have not been able to get to the point where I see them as neither bad or good.

[Guest guest]

They're good..... too many of them are bad :-) Ellie

Ellie, I have some foods I still can not have in the house without devouring them, like chocolate, cookies, etc. So I choose not to buy them. I have not been able to get to the point where I see them as neither bad or good.

[Guest guest]

They're good..... too many of them are bad :-) Ellie

Ellie, I have some foods I still can not have in the house without devouring them, like chocolate, cookies, etc. So I choose not to buy them. I have not been able to get to the point where I see them as neither bad or good.