Guest guest Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 Hi, I think I'm probably the one who posted something that caused the question to be asked -- are there good or bad points? I didn't mean to say that the actual *points* are either good or bad. You're right of course - a point is a point. But some of us have discovered that when we hit a plateau or a roadblock or whatever you call it, if we take a look at our journals and what is IN the points we eat, we find that we could make better choices. For example, eating our fill of McD burgers, WW sundae cones and JP bars and Lays baked chips, while staying within our points, is perfectly permissible with WW. That's what makes the program so much fun. But, if we eat that way for a while and suddenly find we aren't losing anymore, sometimes just by eating less " junk " and more protein and *complex* carbs, we find that we begin losing again. We've eaten the same number of points each day, but our choices were wiser. (By the way, I am not -- definitely NOT -- a health-food afficionado! I didn't get where I am weightwise by eating healthy!!) Having said that . . . maybe there are people who can lose a hundred pounds while eating chips and ice cream every day, but for my own body it doesn't work. I do certainly enjoy planning some of my points for my favorite goodies . .. .. otherwise I couldn't make this a lifelong eating change -- and that very freedom is what makes WW so livable! Anyway, that's all I meant when I said there are different *kinds* of points. Of course, anyone may choose to disagree! I didn't mean to incite a riot! I'm still learning what works for me... And what works this month may need tweaking next month! Bette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 Hi, I think I'm probably the one who posted something that caused the question to be asked -- are there good or bad points? I didn't mean to say that the actual *points* are either good or bad. You're right of course - a point is a point. But some of us have discovered that when we hit a plateau or a roadblock or whatever you call it, if we take a look at our journals and what is IN the points we eat, we find that we could make better choices. For example, eating our fill of McD burgers, WW sundae cones and JP bars and Lays baked chips, while staying within our points, is perfectly permissible with WW. That's what makes the program so much fun. But, if we eat that way for a while and suddenly find we aren't losing anymore, sometimes just by eating less " junk " and more protein and *complex* carbs, we find that we begin losing again. We've eaten the same number of points each day, but our choices were wiser. (By the way, I am not -- definitely NOT -- a health-food afficionado! I didn't get where I am weightwise by eating healthy!!) Having said that . . . maybe there are people who can lose a hundred pounds while eating chips and ice cream every day, but for my own body it doesn't work. I do certainly enjoy planning some of my points for my favorite goodies . .. .. otherwise I couldn't make this a lifelong eating change -- and that very freedom is what makes WW so livable! Anyway, that's all I meant when I said there are different *kinds* of points. Of course, anyone may choose to disagree! I didn't mean to incite a riot! I'm still learning what works for me... And what works this month may need tweaking next month! Bette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 Hi, I think I'm probably the one who posted something that caused the question to be asked -- are there good or bad points? I didn't mean to say that the actual *points* are either good or bad. You're right of course - a point is a point. But some of us have discovered that when we hit a plateau or a roadblock or whatever you call it, if we take a look at our journals and what is IN the points we eat, we find that we could make better choices. For example, eating our fill of McD burgers, WW sundae cones and JP bars and Lays baked chips, while staying within our points, is perfectly permissible with WW. That's what makes the program so much fun. But, if we eat that way for a while and suddenly find we aren't losing anymore, sometimes just by eating less " junk " and more protein and *complex* carbs, we find that we begin losing again. We've eaten the same number of points each day, but our choices were wiser. (By the way, I am not -- definitely NOT -- a health-food afficionado! I didn't get where I am weightwise by eating healthy!!) Having said that . . . maybe there are people who can lose a hundred pounds while eating chips and ice cream every day, but for my own body it doesn't work. I do certainly enjoy planning some of my points for my favorite goodies . .. .. otherwise I couldn't make this a lifelong eating change -- and that very freedom is what makes WW so livable! Anyway, that's all I meant when I said there are different *kinds* of points. Of course, anyone may choose to disagree! I didn't mean to incite a riot! I'm still learning what works for me... And what works this month may need tweaking next month! Bette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 yes, i am like you. i love my junk food and i am never going to be able to give it up. i think that is why i have failed on so many other diets, cause i couldn't eat what i wanted. and with weight watchers we can basically eat what we want as long as we stay within our point range. i eat ice cream almost every day, yummy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 yes, i am like you. i love my junk food and i am never going to be able to give it up. i think that is why i have failed on so many other diets, cause i couldn't eat what i wanted. and with weight watchers we can basically eat what we want as long as we stay within our point range. i eat ice cream almost every day, yummy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 yes, i am like you. i love my junk food and i am never going to be able to give it up. i think that is why i have failed on so many other diets, cause i couldn't eat what i wanted. and with weight watchers we can basically eat what we want as long as we stay within our point range. i eat ice cream almost every day, yummy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 Your right about all the foods being good points. WW does suggest to eat healthier by incorporating fruits, veggies, etc. but if eating sugar packets & sundae cones all day works for the individual...go for it! =) I don't eat nearly as healthy...I don't really care whether somethings from Whole Foods or from Burger King. I'm losing weight 'cause I'm exercising and eating w/in my points and that rocks!!! =) 175/155/130 good or bad points? hi, i have read a few of your posts and it sounds like some of you are talking about good choices or bad choices, but staying within your point range. i thought a point was a point no matter what it was. could someone explain to me what you meant? maybe eating too many points at one time, or eating too late at night, or just getting your points from junk food? seems if you stay within your point range, it wouldn't matter where the points come from? thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 Your right about all the foods being good points. WW does suggest to eat healthier by incorporating fruits, veggies, etc. but if eating sugar packets & sundae cones all day works for the individual...go for it! =) I don't eat nearly as healthy...I don't really care whether somethings from Whole Foods or from Burger King. I'm losing weight 'cause I'm exercising and eating w/in my points and that rocks!!! =) 175/155/130 good or bad points? hi, i have read a few of your posts and it sounds like some of you are talking about good choices or bad choices, but staying within your point range. i thought a point was a point no matter what it was. could someone explain to me what you meant? maybe eating too many points at one time, or eating too late at night, or just getting your points from junk food? seems if you stay within your point range, it wouldn't matter where the points come from? thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 Your right about all the foods being good points. WW does suggest to eat healthier by incorporating fruits, veggies, etc. but if eating sugar packets & sundae cones all day works for the individual...go for it! =) I don't eat nearly as healthy...I don't really care whether somethings from Whole Foods or from Burger King. I'm losing weight 'cause I'm exercising and eating w/in my points and that rocks!!! =) 175/155/130 good or bad points? hi, i have read a few of your posts and it sounds like some of you are talking about good choices or bad choices, but staying within your point range. i thought a point was a point no matter what it was. could someone explain to me what you meant? maybe eating too many points at one time, or eating too late at night, or just getting your points from junk food? seems if you stay within your point range, it wouldn't matter where the points come from? thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 Mmmm.. Ice cream.. My husband has to buy SO Sundae Cones in bulk, 'cause I will eat a whole box in 2 days. =) Re: good or bad points? yes, i am like you. i love my junk food and i am never going to be able to give it up. i think that is why i have failed on so many other diets, cause i couldn't eat what i wanted. and with weight watchers we can basically eat what we want as long as we stay within our point range. i eat ice cream almost every day, yummy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 Technically, you can lose weight as long as you just count your points. The general formula for losing weight is to eat less than you are burning. (Or burn more than you are eating, depending on how you want to look at it.) The good or bad choices come into play when it comes to fueling the body. You COULD eat all of your points each day eating just chocolate chip cookies OR for the same amount of points you could have quite a bit more food that your body is better able to utilize. Protein, Carbohydrates, Fat.. the body needs some of each of these and they each provide a different benefit for the body. If you want your body to perform at its best, then the food going in should also be nutritious. (Kind of like the saying " Garbage in = garbage out. " ) good or bad points? hi, i have read a few of your posts and it sounds like some of you are talking about good choices or bad choices, but staying within your point range. i thought a point was a point no matter what it was. could someone explain to me what you meant? maybe eating too many points at one time, or eating too late at night, or just getting your points from junk food? seems if you stay within your point range, it wouldn't matter where the points come from? thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 Technically, you can lose weight as long as you just count your points. The general formula for losing weight is to eat less than you are burning. (Or burn more than you are eating, depending on how you want to look at it.) The good or bad choices come into play when it comes to fueling the body. You COULD eat all of your points each day eating just chocolate chip cookies OR for the same amount of points you could have quite a bit more food that your body is better able to utilize. Protein, Carbohydrates, Fat.. the body needs some of each of these and they each provide a different benefit for the body. If you want your body to perform at its best, then the food going in should also be nutritious. (Kind of like the saying " Garbage in = garbage out. " ) good or bad points? hi, i have read a few of your posts and it sounds like some of you are talking about good choices or bad choices, but staying within your point range. i thought a point was a point no matter what it was. could someone explain to me what you meant? maybe eating too many points at one time, or eating too late at night, or just getting your points from junk food? seems if you stay within your point range, it wouldn't matter where the points come from? thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 This topic comes up every now and again on this list... Yes, a point is a point and as long as you burn more calories than you consume you will loose weight. However, a lot of people on this list are interested in more than just loosing weight to look good. They want to live healthier and longer lives with fewer medical problems. So a lot of people will talk about not eating as healthy as they should, not getting in all their veggies or milk, not eating enough protein, too many refined carbs, too much sugar, etc... You will also find that most everyone on this list does not consider WW to be a " diet " but a way of life for the rest of their life (hence the name SERIOUS Weight Watchers). At least in the sense that we don't plan to loose the weight and then go right back to eating the way we used to before WW once the extra pounds are gone, we plan to keep this up forever because it's healthy and good for us and also very do-able. There are also a lot of people who wouldn't dream of changing what they eat but instead limit how much they eat. So it's fine if you want to eat junk food all the time or just once in a while, choice is up to you ) Same goes for when you eat (late at night) and how often or how many points in a sitting. I have read through other peoples journals and about die when I see people that will eat ten or fifteen points at a single meal, but that's just because I happen to be one of those that would rather eat five or six small meals than three big ones ) Kris 194/144/128 -----Original Message----- hi, i have read a few of your posts and it sounds like some of you are talking about good choices or bad choices, but staying within your point range. i thought a point was a point no matter what it was. could someone explain to me what you meant? maybe eating too many points at one time, or eating too late at night, or just getting your points from junk food? seems if you stay within your point range, it wouldn't matter where the points come from? thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 This topic comes up every now and again on this list... Yes, a point is a point and as long as you burn more calories than you consume you will loose weight. However, a lot of people on this list are interested in more than just loosing weight to look good. They want to live healthier and longer lives with fewer medical problems. So a lot of people will talk about not eating as healthy as they should, not getting in all their veggies or milk, not eating enough protein, too many refined carbs, too much sugar, etc... You will also find that most everyone on this list does not consider WW to be a " diet " but a way of life for the rest of their life (hence the name SERIOUS Weight Watchers). At least in the sense that we don't plan to loose the weight and then go right back to eating the way we used to before WW once the extra pounds are gone, we plan to keep this up forever because it's healthy and good for us and also very do-able. There are also a lot of people who wouldn't dream of changing what they eat but instead limit how much they eat. So it's fine if you want to eat junk food all the time or just once in a while, choice is up to you ) Same goes for when you eat (late at night) and how often or how many points in a sitting. I have read through other peoples journals and about die when I see people that will eat ten or fifteen points at a single meal, but that's just because I happen to be one of those that would rather eat five or six small meals than three big ones ) Kris 194/144/128 -----Original Message----- hi, i have read a few of your posts and it sounds like some of you are talking about good choices or bad choices, but staying within your point range. i thought a point was a point no matter what it was. could someone explain to me what you meant? maybe eating too many points at one time, or eating too late at night, or just getting your points from junk food? seems if you stay within your point range, it wouldn't matter where the points come from? thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 That's the beauty of the WW.. you don't HAVE to give up the junk, just make sure to count the points. (Which is what you wrote.) LOL The good/bad choices also involve volume and satisfaction. If you are willing to eat vegetable soup, you can make a big pot of the 5 can soup that is three points for the whole pot. (Not just willing, but that you actually like it too.) How many cookies can you eat that totals 3 points AND you are stuffed and can't eat another bite? One thing that I found that helps me at times is to carry a box of DOTS in my purse. (Not the huge size.) I know they are there if I NEED them, but somehow, I just don't. Re: good or bad points? yes, i am like you. i love my junk food and i am never going to be able to give it up. i think that is why i have failed on so many other diets, cause i couldn't eat what i wanted. and with weight watchers we can basically eat what we want as long as we stay within our point range. i eat ice cream almost every day, yummy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 That's the beauty of the WW.. you don't HAVE to give up the junk, just make sure to count the points. (Which is what you wrote.) LOL The good/bad choices also involve volume and satisfaction. If you are willing to eat vegetable soup, you can make a big pot of the 5 can soup that is three points for the whole pot. (Not just willing, but that you actually like it too.) How many cookies can you eat that totals 3 points AND you are stuffed and can't eat another bite? One thing that I found that helps me at times is to carry a box of DOTS in my purse. (Not the huge size.) I know they are there if I NEED them, but somehow, I just don't. Re: good or bad points? yes, i am like you. i love my junk food and i am never going to be able to give it up. i think that is why i have failed on so many other diets, cause i couldn't eat what i wanted. and with weight watchers we can basically eat what we want as long as we stay within our point range. i eat ice cream almost every day, yummy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 And... it all makes a difference on how many points you are allowed each day. I have 31 points... whereas the lowest value is 20 (I think?). Those 11 points are a big difference between what we'd eat. Although I don't care to eat HUGE meals all that often. It just feels wrong to each so much. (Not really wrong, that isn't the right word.) -----Original Message----- From: Jay & Kris Swofford Same goes for when you eat (late at night) and how often or how many points in a sitting. I have read through other peoples journals and about die when I see people that will eat ten or fifteen points at a single meal, but that's just because I happen to be one of those that would rather eat five or six small meals than three big ones ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 And... it all makes a difference on how many points you are allowed each day. I have 31 points... whereas the lowest value is 20 (I think?). Those 11 points are a big difference between what we'd eat. Although I don't care to eat HUGE meals all that often. It just feels wrong to each so much. (Not really wrong, that isn't the right word.) -----Original Message----- From: Jay & Kris Swofford Same goes for when you eat (late at night) and how often or how many points in a sitting. I have read through other peoples journals and about die when I see people that will eat ten or fifteen points at a single meal, but that's just because I happen to be one of those that would rather eat five or six small meals than three big ones ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 maybe i should start cutting back on my junk food and trying to add more protein. because i have been at the same weight for 3 weeks and I just can't get it to move. i will give it a try for a few weeks and see what happens. it is hard for me though to find low point foods that are high in protein. i used to be a vegetarian and it is hard for me to eat much meat. any one have good ideas for low point, high protein foods? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 maybe i should start cutting back on my junk food and trying to add more protein. because i have been at the same weight for 3 weeks and I just can't get it to move. i will give it a try for a few weeks and see what happens. it is hard for me though to find low point foods that are high in protein. i used to be a vegetarian and it is hard for me to eat much meat. any one have good ideas for low point, high protein foods? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 maybe i should start cutting back on my junk food and trying to add more protein. because i have been at the same weight for 3 weeks and I just can't get it to move. i will give it a try for a few weeks and see what happens. it is hard for me though to find low point foods that are high in protein. i used to be a vegetarian and it is hard for me to eat much meat. any one have good ideas for low point, high protein foods? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2003 Report Share Posted October 11, 2003 Beans and rice!! Together they make a complete protein. I would just try adding beans to soups, make some homemade chili with lots of different kinds of beans. Taco soup with refried beans. Beans are also high fiber and very filling. Kris -----Original Message----- maybe i should start cutting back on my junk food and trying to add more protein. because i have been at the same weight for 3 weeks and I just can't get it to move. i will give it a try for a few weeks and see what happens. it is hard for me though to find low point foods that are high in protein. i used to be a vegetarian and it is hard for me to eat much meat. any one have good ideas for low point, high protein foods? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2003 Report Share Posted October 11, 2003 Beans and rice!! Together they make a complete protein. I would just try adding beans to soups, make some homemade chili with lots of different kinds of beans. Taco soup with refried beans. Beans are also high fiber and very filling. Kris -----Original Message----- maybe i should start cutting back on my junk food and trying to add more protein. because i have been at the same weight for 3 weeks and I just can't get it to move. i will give it a try for a few weeks and see what happens. it is hard for me though to find low point foods that are high in protein. i used to be a vegetarian and it is hard for me to eat much meat. any one have good ideas for low point, high protein foods? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2003 Report Share Posted October 11, 2003 Beans and rice!! Together they make a complete protein. I would just try adding beans to soups, make some homemade chili with lots of different kinds of beans. Taco soup with refried beans. Beans are also high fiber and very filling. Kris -----Original Message----- maybe i should start cutting back on my junk food and trying to add more protein. because i have been at the same weight for 3 weeks and I just can't get it to move. i will give it a try for a few weeks and see what happens. it is hard for me though to find low point foods that are high in protein. i used to be a vegetarian and it is hard for me to eat much meat. any one have good ideas for low point, high protein foods? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2003 Report Share Posted October 11, 2003 I agree with Bette and others that have posted. Now, 80+ pounds down, I find that if I have too many sugary snacks during the week, I tend to lose slower or not lose vs. making healthier choices. So while " a point is a point " , " not all points are created equal " - may sound contradictory, but hopefully you get my point. :-) What often helps, is looking at that chocolate chip cookie, figuring out the points - and then realizing that I could just scarf it down and I'd still be looking for something else, or I can find something for the same # of points that would be a lot more filling and keep me satisfied a lot longer. In those cases, the chocolate chip cookies, most often, become just " not worth it " . It's a cost/benefit analysis. mitch mousikos@... wrote: > Hi, > I think I'm probably the one who posted something that caused the > question to > be asked -- are there good or bad points? I didn't mean to say that the > actual *points* are either good or bad. You're right of course - a > point is a > point. But some of us have discovered that when we hit a plateau or a > roadblock > or whatever you call it, if we take a look at our journals and what is > IN the > points we eat, we find that we could make better choices. For > example, eating > our fill of McD burgers, WW sundae cones and JP bars and Lays baked > chips, > while staying within our points, is perfectly permissible with WW. > That's what > makes the program so much fun. But, if we eat that way for a while and > suddenly find we aren't losing anymore, sometimes just by eating less > " junk " and > more protein and *complex* carbs, we find that we begin losing again. > We've > eaten the same number of points each day, but our choices were wiser. > (By the > way, I am not -- definitely NOT -- a health-food afficionado! I > didn't get where > I am weightwise by eating healthy!!) > > Having said that . . . maybe there are people who can lose a hundred > pounds > while eating chips and ice cream every day, but for my own body it > doesn't > work. I do certainly enjoy planning some of my points for my favorite > goodies . . > . otherwise I couldn't make this a lifelong eating change -- and that > very > freedom is what makes WW so livable! > > Anyway, that's all I meant when I said there are different *kinds* of > points. > Of course, anyone may choose to disagree! I didn't mean to incite a riot! > > I'm still learning what works for me... And what works this month may > need > tweaking next month! > Bette > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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