Re: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response to Cheney incident

February 16, 2006

Well, I wouldn't think, sight unseen or otherwise, that the 78 year old

needed to be flown. What would a helo flight do for him? Nothing except up

his bill $10,000.

Not only that, but his risk of death or injury quadruples the minute he gets

into that pile of nuts, bolts, and wires just waiting to fly apart.

No flight for this guy.

Gene G.

> Everything about the entire incident is tainted with politics..... medical

> judgments in those situations always come in second... You would think,

> sight unseen, that any 78 year old would need the flight... especially one who

> has good medical coverage, that is factor sometimes to as the system works.

> You know they were trying to keep it quiet.... and you know their people made

> the decisions... not the EMS providers.

>

> ExLngHrn@... wrote: Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

>

> -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> Austin, Texas

>

> Anatomy of medical response to shooting

> Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

> By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

> February 16, 2006

>

> In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting of

> Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat

> the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

> Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

> 5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in

> Kenedy County.

> " That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

> spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

people

> that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

> Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

> U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed quail,

and

> Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second covey

> of quail.

> The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

> air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

> Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said HALO-Flight

> executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital Kleberg

in

> Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

> Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

> Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel with

> Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

> " I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

> that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

scene.

> Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

> Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

> p.m., Zahren said.

> " It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

> said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

> The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50 p.m.,

> Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

> HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

> personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

> " Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care or

> a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

> The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and landed

> at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington was

> awake and talking during the flight, he said.

> Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

> powellj@...

>

February 16, 2006

Well, I wouldn't think, sight unseen or otherwise, that the 78 year old

needed to be flown. What would a helo flight do for him? Nothing except up

his bill $10,000.

Not only that, but his risk of death or injury quadruples the minute he gets

into that pile of nuts, bolts, and wires just waiting to fly apart.

No flight for this guy.

Gene G.

> Everything about the entire incident is tainted with politics..... medical

> judgments in those situations always come in second... You would think,

> sight unseen, that any 78 year old would need the flight... especially one who

> has good medical coverage, that is factor sometimes to as the system works.

> You know they were trying to keep it quiet.... and you know their people made

> the decisions... not the EMS providers.

>

> ExLngHrn@... wrote: Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

>

> -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> Austin, Texas

>

> Anatomy of medical response to shooting

> Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

> By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

> February 16, 2006

>

> In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting of

> Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat

> the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

> Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

> 5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in

> Kenedy County.

> " That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

> spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

people

> that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

> Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

> U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed quail,

and

> Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second covey

> of quail.

> The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

> air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

> Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said HALO-Flight

> executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital Kleberg

in

> Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

> Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

> Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel with

> Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

> " I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

> that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

scene.

> Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

> Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

> p.m., Zahren said.

> " It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

> said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

> The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50 p.m.,

> Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

> HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

> personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

> " Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care or

> a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

> The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and landed

> at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington was

> awake and talking during the flight, he said.

> Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

> powellj@...

>

February 16, 2006

He's alive, did not require surgery, and will be going home. That says

enough. They made the right decision. Also, I have never heard of a " silent

heart attack " from inflammation. Sounds like he had some a-fib and his

enzymes kicked-up-probably from the injury. The media can screw up anything

medical or otherwise.

_____

From: Paramedicine [mailto:Paramedicine ] On

Behalf Of ExLngHrn@...

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:20 PM

To: Paramedicine ; ems-l@...; EMS-L@...;

Subject: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response to Cheney incident

Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Anatomy of medical response to shooting

Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

February 16, 2006

In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting of

Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat

the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in

Kenedy County.

" That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

people that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed quail,

and Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second

covey of quail.

The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said HALO-Flight

executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital

Kleberg in Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel

with Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

" I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

scene. Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

p.m., Zahren said.

" It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50 p.m.,

Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

" Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care or

a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and landed

at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington was

awake and talking during the flight, he said.

Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

powellj@...

February 16, 2006

He's alive, did not require surgery, and will be going home. That says

enough. They made the right decision. Also, I have never heard of a " silent

heart attack " from inflammation. Sounds like he had some a-fib and his

enzymes kicked-up-probably from the injury. The media can screw up anything

medical or otherwise.

_____

From: Paramedicine [mailto:Paramedicine ] On

Behalf Of ExLngHrn@...

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:20 PM

To: Paramedicine ; ems-l@...; EMS-L@...;

Subject: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response to Cheney incident

Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Anatomy of medical response to shooting

Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

February 16, 2006

In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting of

Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat

the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in

Kenedy County.

" That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

people that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed quail,

and Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second

covey of quail.

The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said HALO-Flight

executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital

Kleberg in Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel

with Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

" I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

scene. Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

p.m., Zahren said.

" It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50 p.m.,

Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

" Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care or

a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and landed

at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington was

awake and talking during the flight, he said.

Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

powellj@...

February 16, 2006

He's alive, did not require surgery, and will be going home. That says

enough. They made the right decision. Also, I have never heard of a " silent

heart attack " from inflammation. Sounds like he had some a-fib and his

enzymes kicked-up-probably from the injury. The media can screw up anything

medical or otherwise.

_____

From: Paramedicine [mailto:Paramedicine ] On

Behalf Of ExLngHrn@...

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:20 PM

To: Paramedicine ; ems-l@...; EMS-L@...;

Subject: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response to Cheney incident

Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Anatomy of medical response to shooting

Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

February 16, 2006

In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting of

Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat

the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in

Kenedy County.

" That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

people that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed quail,

and Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second

covey of quail.

The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said HALO-Flight

executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital

Kleberg in Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel

with Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

" I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

scene. Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

p.m., Zahren said.

" It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50 p.m.,

Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

" Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care or

a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and landed

at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington was

awake and talking during the flight, he said.

Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

powellj@...

February 16, 2006

Everything about the entire incident is tainted with politics..... medical

judgments in those situations always come in second... You would think, sight

unseen, that any 78 year old would need the flight... especially one who has

good medical coverage, that is factor sometimes to as the system works. You

know they were trying to keep it quiet.... and you know their people made the

decisions... not the EMS providers.

ExLngHrn@... wrote: Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Anatomy of medical response to shooting

Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

February 16, 2006

In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting of

Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat the

injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and 5:50

p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in Kenedy

County.

" That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service spokesman

Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our people that

were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford, U.S.

ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed quail, and

Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second covey of

quail.

The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the air

ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to Christus

Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said HALO-Flight executive

director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital Kleberg in

Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel with

Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

" I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks that

were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the scene.

Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20 p.m.,

Zahren said.

" It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren said.

" It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50 p.m.,

Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical personnel

decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

" Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care or a

doctor preference, " Rowe said.

The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and landed at

the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington was awake

and talking during the flight, he said.

Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

powellj@...

February 16, 2006

Everything about the entire incident is tainted with politics..... medical

judgments in those situations always come in second... You would think, sight

unseen, that any 78 year old would need the flight... especially one who has

good medical coverage, that is factor sometimes to as the system works. You

know they were trying to keep it quiet.... and you know their people made the

decisions... not the EMS providers.

ExLngHrn@... wrote: Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Anatomy of medical response to shooting

Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

February 16, 2006

In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting of

Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat the

injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and 5:50

p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in Kenedy

County.

" That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service spokesman

Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our people that

were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford, U.S.

ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed quail, and

Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second covey of

quail.

The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the air

ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to Christus

Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said HALO-Flight executive

director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital Kleberg in

Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel with

Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

" I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks that

were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the scene.

Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20 p.m.,

Zahren said.

" It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren said.

" It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50 p.m.,

Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical personnel

decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

" Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care or a

doctor preference, " Rowe said.

The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and landed at

the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington was awake

and talking during the flight, he said.

Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

powellj@...

February 16, 2006

I can tell you are not the lawyer in the bunch.... overkill is always the best

bet... when the insurance is good.... Think if he was not alive... did require

surgery... didn't go home.... With political thinking... if I had been there, I

would have voted for the flight.... Too much can go south with a 78 year old...

I never buy lottery tickets either...

" Bledsoe, DO " wrote: He's alive, did not require

surgery, and will be going home. That says

enough. They made the right decision. Also, I have never heard of a " silent

heart attack " from inflammation. Sounds like he had some a-fib and his

enzymes kicked-up-probably from the injury. The media can screw up anything

medical or otherwise.

_____

From: Paramedicine [mailto:Paramedicine ] On

Behalf Of ExLngHrn@...

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:20 PM

To: Paramedicine ; ems-l@...; EMS-L@...;

Subject: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response to Cheney incident

Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Anatomy of medical response to shooting

Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

February 16, 2006

In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting of

Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat

the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in

Kenedy County.

" That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

people that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed quail,

and Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second

covey of quail.

The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said HALO-Flight

executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital

Kleberg in Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel

with Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

" I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

scene. Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

p.m., Zahren said.

" It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50 p.m.,

Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

" Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care or

a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and landed

at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington was

awake and talking during the flight, he said.

Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

powellj@...

February 16, 2006

I can tell you are not the lawyer in the bunch.... overkill is always the best

bet... when the insurance is good.... Think if he was not alive... did require

surgery... didn't go home.... With political thinking... if I had been there, I

would have voted for the flight.... Too much can go south with a 78 year old...

I never buy lottery tickets either...

" Bledsoe, DO " wrote: He's alive, did not require

surgery, and will be going home. That says

enough. They made the right decision. Also, I have never heard of a " silent

heart attack " from inflammation. Sounds like he had some a-fib and his

enzymes kicked-up-probably from the injury. The media can screw up anything

medical or otherwise.

_____

From: Paramedicine [mailto:Paramedicine ] On

Behalf Of ExLngHrn@...

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:20 PM

To: Paramedicine ; ems-l@...; EMS-L@...;

Subject: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response to Cheney incident

Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Anatomy of medical response to shooting

Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

February 16, 2006

In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting of

Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat

the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in

Kenedy County.

" That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

people that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed quail,

and Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second

covey of quail.

The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said HALO-Flight

executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital

Kleberg in Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel

with Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

" I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

scene. Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

p.m., Zahren said.

" It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50 p.m.,

Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

" Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care or

a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and landed

at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington was

awake and talking during the flight, he said.

Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

powellj@...

February 16, 2006

I can tell you are not the lawyer in the bunch.... overkill is always the best

bet... when the insurance is good.... Think if he was not alive... did require

surgery... didn't go home.... With political thinking... if I had been there, I

would have voted for the flight.... Too much can go south with a 78 year old...

I never buy lottery tickets either...

" Bledsoe, DO " wrote: He's alive, did not require

surgery, and will be going home. That says

enough. They made the right decision. Also, I have never heard of a " silent

heart attack " from inflammation. Sounds like he had some a-fib and his

enzymes kicked-up-probably from the injury. The media can screw up anything

medical or otherwise.

_____

From: Paramedicine [mailto:Paramedicine ] On

Behalf Of ExLngHrn@...

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:20 PM

To: Paramedicine ; ems-l@...; EMS-L@...;

Subject: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response to Cheney incident

Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Anatomy of medical response to shooting

Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

February 16, 2006

In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting of

Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat

the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in

Kenedy County.

" That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

people that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed quail,

and Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second

covey of quail.

The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said HALO-Flight

executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital

Kleberg in Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel

with Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

" I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

scene. Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

p.m., Zahren said.

" It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50 p.m.,

Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

" Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care or

a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and landed

at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington was

awake and talking during the flight, he said.

Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

powellj@...

February 16, 2006

He was transfered... by flight to Corpus....

hatfield wrote: I didn't see anything in the

report, or from later reports that indicated

that he needed to be flown, I think the medics on the ground (most likely

accompanied by a physician) made a sound decision. Worked out best for all

involved, except for the flight service who didn't get to bill anyone.

Mike

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response to

Cheney incident

Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Anatomy of medical response to shooting

Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

February 16, 2006

In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting of

Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat

the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in

Kenedy County.

" That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

people that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed quail,

and Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second

covey of quail.

The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said HALO-Flight

executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital

Kleberg in Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel

with Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

" I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

scene. Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

p.m., Zahren said.

" It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50 p.m.,

Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

" Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care or

a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and landed

at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington was

awake and talking during the flight, he said.

Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

powellj@...

February 16, 2006

He was transfered... by flight to Corpus....

hatfield wrote: I didn't see anything in the

report, or from later reports that indicated

that he needed to be flown, I think the medics on the ground (most likely

accompanied by a physician) made a sound decision. Worked out best for all

involved, except for the flight service who didn't get to bill anyone.

Mike

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response to

Cheney incident

Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Anatomy of medical response to shooting

Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

February 16, 2006

In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting of

Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat

the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in

Kenedy County.

" That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

people that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed quail,

and Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second

covey of quail.

The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said HALO-Flight

executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital

Kleberg in Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel

with Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

" I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

scene. Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

p.m., Zahren said.

" It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50 p.m.,

Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

" Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care or

a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and landed

at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington was

awake and talking during the flight, he said.

Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

powellj@...

February 16, 2006

Just goes to show you, the whole system is out of control. What if it were

one of the 20 or so that will crash this year if current stats are correct?

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Red

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:51 PM

To:

Subject: RE: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response

to Cheney incident

He was transfered... by flight to Corpus....

hatfield wrote: I didn't see anything in

the report, or from later reports that indicated

that he needed to be flown, I think the medics on the ground (most likely

accompanied by a physician) made a sound decision. Worked out best for all

involved, except for the flight service who didn't get to bill anyone.

Mike

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response to

Cheney incident

Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Anatomy of medical response to shooting

Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

February 16, 2006

In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting of

Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat

the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in

Kenedy County.

" That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

people that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed quail,

and Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second

covey of quail.

The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said HALO-Flight

executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital

Kleberg in Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel

with Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

" I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

scene. Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

p.m., Zahren said.

" It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50 p.m.,

Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

" Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care or

a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and landed

at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington was

awake and talking during the flight, he said.

Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

powellj@...

February 16, 2006

Now you're in the swing of it... you too qualify to work with government.. It

is never about getting the job done... it is about making sure nothing can be

blamed on you, which is an unattainable goal...

" Bledsoe, DO " wrote: Just goes to show you, the

whole system is out of control. What if it were

one of the 20 or so that will crash this year if current stats are correct?

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Red

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:51 PM

To:

Subject: RE: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response

to Cheney incident

He was transfered... by flight to Corpus....

hatfield wrote: I didn't see anything in

the report, or from later reports that indicated

that he needed to be flown, I think the medics on the ground (most likely

accompanied by a physician) made a sound decision. Worked out best for all

involved, except for the flight service who didn't get to bill anyone.

Mike

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response to

Cheney incident

Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Anatomy of medical response to shooting

Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

February 16, 2006

In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting of

Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat

the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in

Kenedy County.

" That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

people that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed quail,

and Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second

covey of quail.

The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said HALO-Flight

executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital

Kleberg in Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel

with Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

" I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

scene. Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

p.m., Zahren said.

" It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50 p.m.,

Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

" Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care or

a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and landed

at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington was

awake and talking during the flight, he said.

Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

powellj@...

February 16, 2006

Now you're in the swing of it... you too qualify to work with government.. It

is never about getting the job done... it is about making sure nothing can be

blamed on you, which is an unattainable goal...

" Bledsoe, DO " wrote: Just goes to show you, the

whole system is out of control. What if it were

one of the 20 or so that will crash this year if current stats are correct?

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Red

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:51 PM

To:

Subject: RE: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response

to Cheney incident

He was transfered... by flight to Corpus....

hatfield wrote: I didn't see anything in

the report, or from later reports that indicated

that he needed to be flown, I think the medics on the ground (most likely

accompanied by a physician) made a sound decision. Worked out best for all

involved, except for the flight service who didn't get to bill anyone.

Mike

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response to

Cheney incident

Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Anatomy of medical response to shooting

Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

February 16, 2006

In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting of

Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat

the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in

Kenedy County.

" That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

people that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed quail,

and Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second

covey of quail.

The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said HALO-Flight

executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital

Kleberg in Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel

with Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

" I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

scene. Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

p.m., Zahren said.

" It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50 p.m.,

Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

" Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care or

a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and landed

at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington was

awake and talking during the flight, he said.

Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

powellj@...

February 16, 2006

Now you're in the swing of it... you too qualify to work with government.. It

is never about getting the job done... it is about making sure nothing can be

blamed on you, which is an unattainable goal...

" Bledsoe, DO " wrote: Just goes to show you, the

whole system is out of control. What if it were

one of the 20 or so that will crash this year if current stats are correct?

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Red

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:51 PM

To:

Subject: RE: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response

to Cheney incident

He was transfered... by flight to Corpus....

hatfield wrote: I didn't see anything in

the report, or from later reports that indicated

that he needed to be flown, I think the medics on the ground (most likely

accompanied by a physician) made a sound decision. Worked out best for all

involved, except for the flight service who didn't get to bill anyone.

Mike

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response to

Cheney incident

Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Anatomy of medical response to shooting

Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

February 16, 2006

In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting of

Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat

the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in

Kenedy County.

" That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

people that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed quail,

and Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second

covey of quail.

The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said HALO-Flight

executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital

Kleberg in Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel

with Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

" I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

scene. Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

p.m., Zahren said.

" It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50 p.m.,

Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

" Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care or

a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and landed

at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington was

awake and talking during the flight, he said.

Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

powellj@...

February 16, 2006

You sir... are not government material..... you are relying to much on the facts

and the real needs....

hatfield wrote: Because he is 78, he needs to

be flown? Because he was hit with birdshot, he

needs to be flown? What about his true medical condition? What of that,

required flight? The fact that he has good medical coverage? This is a

factor when flying?

Mike

And I stand corrected, he was flown.

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

Re: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response

to Cheney incident

Everything about the entire incident is tainted with politics..... medical

judgments in those situations always come in second... You would think,

sight unseen, that any 78 year old would need the flight... especially one

who has good medical coverage, that is factor sometimes to as the system

works. You know they were trying to keep it quiet.... and you know their

people made the decisions... not the EMS providers.

ExLngHrn@... wrote: Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Anatomy of medical response to shooting

Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

February 16, 2006

In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting of

Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat

the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in

Kenedy County.

" That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

people that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed quail,

and Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second

covey of quail.

The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said HALO-Flight

executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital

Kleberg in Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel

with Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

" I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

scene. Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

p.m., Zahren said.

" It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50 p.m.,

Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

" Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care or

a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and landed

at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington was

awake and talking during the flight, he said.

Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

powellj@...

February 16, 2006

You sir... are not government material..... you are relying to much on the facts

and the real needs....

hatfield wrote: Because he is 78, he needs to

be flown? Because he was hit with birdshot, he

needs to be flown? What about his true medical condition? What of that,

required flight? The fact that he has good medical coverage? This is a

factor when flying?

Mike

And I stand corrected, he was flown.

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

Re: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response

to Cheney incident

Everything about the entire incident is tainted with politics..... medical

judgments in those situations always come in second... You would think,

sight unseen, that any 78 year old would need the flight... especially one

who has good medical coverage, that is factor sometimes to as the system

works. You know they were trying to keep it quiet.... and you know their

people made the decisions... not the EMS providers.

ExLngHrn@... wrote: Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Anatomy of medical response to shooting

Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

February 16, 2006

In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting of

Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat

the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in

Kenedy County.

" That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

people that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed quail,

and Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second

covey of quail.

The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said HALO-Flight

executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital

Kleberg in Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel

with Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

" I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

scene. Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

p.m., Zahren said.

" It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50 p.m.,

Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

" Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care or

a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and landed

at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington was

awake and talking during the flight, he said.

Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

powellj@...

February 16, 2006

There you are wrong. I will make my decisions in the best interest of my

patients knowing I have the knowledge and education to defend it in front of

any tryer of fact. Any time you deviate from that dictum you are in a much

more difficult position to justify.

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Red

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 5:04 PM

To:

Subject: RE: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response

to Cheney incident

Now you're in the swing of it... you too qualify to work with government..

It is never about getting the job done... it is about making sure nothing

can be blamed on you, which is an unattainable goal...

" Bledsoe, DO " wrote: Just goes to show you,

the whole system is out of control. What if it were

one of the 20 or so that will crash this year if current stats are correct?

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Red

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:51 PM

To:

Subject: RE: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response

to Cheney incident

He was transfered... by flight to Corpus....

hatfield wrote: I didn't see anything in

the report, or from later reports that indicated

that he needed to be flown, I think the medics on the ground (most likely

accompanied by a physician) made a sound decision. Worked out best for all

involved, except for the flight service who didn't get to bill anyone.

Mike

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response to

Cheney incident

Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Anatomy of medical response to shooting

Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

February 16, 2006

In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting of

Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat

the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in

Kenedy County.

" That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

people that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed quail,

and Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second

covey of quail.

The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said HALO-Flight

executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital

Kleberg in Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel

with Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

" I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

scene. Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

p.m., Zahren said.

" It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50 p.m.,

Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

" Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care or

a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and landed

at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington was

awake and talking during the flight, he said.

Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

powellj@...

February 16, 2006

There you are wrong. I will make my decisions in the best interest of my

patients knowing I have the knowledge and education to defend it in front of

any tryer of fact. Any time you deviate from that dictum you are in a much

more difficult position to justify.

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Red

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 5:04 PM

To:

Subject: RE: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response

to Cheney incident

Now you're in the swing of it... you too qualify to work with government..

It is never about getting the job done... it is about making sure nothing

can be blamed on you, which is an unattainable goal...

" Bledsoe, DO " wrote: Just goes to show you,

the whole system is out of control. What if it were

one of the 20 or so that will crash this year if current stats are correct?

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Red

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:51 PM

To:

Subject: RE: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response

to Cheney incident

He was transfered... by flight to Corpus....

hatfield wrote: I didn't see anything in

the report, or from later reports that indicated

that he needed to be flown, I think the medics on the ground (most likely

accompanied by a physician) made a sound decision. Worked out best for all

involved, except for the flight service who didn't get to bill anyone.

Mike

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response to

Cheney incident

Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Anatomy of medical response to shooting

Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

February 16, 2006

In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting of

Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat

the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in

Kenedy County.

" That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

people that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed quail,

and Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second

covey of quail.

The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said HALO-Flight

executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital

Kleberg in Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel

with Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

" I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

scene. Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

p.m., Zahren said.

" It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50 p.m.,

Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

" Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care or

a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and landed

at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington was

awake and talking during the flight, he said.

Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

powellj@...

February 16, 2006

There you are wrong. I will make my decisions in the best interest of my

patients knowing I have the knowledge and education to defend it in front of

any tryer of fact. Any time you deviate from that dictum you are in a much

more difficult position to justify.

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Red

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 5:04 PM

To:

Subject: RE: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response

to Cheney incident

Now you're in the swing of it... you too qualify to work with government..

It is never about getting the job done... it is about making sure nothing

can be blamed on you, which is an unattainable goal...

" Bledsoe, DO " wrote: Just goes to show you,

the whole system is out of control. What if it were

one of the 20 or so that will crash this year if current stats are correct?

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Red

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:51 PM

To:

Subject: RE: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response

to Cheney incident

He was transfered... by flight to Corpus....

hatfield wrote: I didn't see anything in

the report, or from later reports that indicated

that he needed to be flown, I think the medics on the ground (most likely

accompanied by a physician) made a sound decision. Worked out best for all

involved, except for the flight service who didn't get to bill anyone.

Mike

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response to

Cheney incident

Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Anatomy of medical response to shooting

Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

February 16, 2006

In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting of

Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat

the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in

Kenedy County.

" That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

people that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed quail,

and Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second

covey of quail.

The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said HALO-Flight

executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital

Kleberg in Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel

with Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

" I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

scene. Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

p.m., Zahren said.

" It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50 p.m.,

Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

" Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care or

a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and landed

at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington was

awake and talking during the flight, he said.

Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

powellj@...

February 16, 2006

I think you're making some very bold statements with very little information

to support them. Medical judgments made at the scene, I can assure you

(based not only on procedure, but sources close to the incident), were in

fact paramount. Age alone should never be a single determinant of flying

someone. Nor should insurance. There are a lot of " you knows " in your

statement that are very questionable. " Their people " did have input towards

the decision of whether or not the flight would be made....but " their

people " were clinicians too. The ultimate decision, however, rested not on

the " their people. "

I agree with you in one thing though....the entire event ever since the

patient's arrival at the hospital has been tainted with politics...and gross

exaggeration.

Re: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response

to Cheney incident

> Everything about the entire incident is tainted with politics..... medical

> judgments in those situations always come in second... You would think,

> sight unseen, that any 78 year old would need the flight... especially one

> who has good medical coverage, that is factor sometimes to as the system

> works. You know they were trying to keep it quiet.... and you know their

> people made the decisions... not the EMS providers.

>

> ExLngHrn@... wrote: Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

>

> -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> Austin, Texas

>

> Anatomy of medical response to shooting

> Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

> By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

> February 16, 2006

>

> In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting

> of Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to

> treat the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

> Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

> 5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch

> in Kenedy County.

> " That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

> spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

> people that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

> Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

> U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed

> quail, and Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a

> second covey of quail.

> The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

> air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

> Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said

> HALO-Flight executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn

> Hospital Kleberg in Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

> Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

> Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel

> with Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

> " I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

> that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

> scene. Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

> Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

> p.m., Zahren said.

> " It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

> said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

> The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50

> p.m., Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

> HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

> personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

> " Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care

> or a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

> The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and

> landed at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said.

> Whittington was awake and talking during the flight, he said.

> Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

> powellj@...

>

February 16, 2006