Re: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response to Cheney incident

February 16, 2006

I guess I am now hopelessly jaded and a pessimist... I had the privilege of

spending two weeks at the Army War College this summer, got to attend many of

the briefings. The Reserves and the Guard use it to train their best for

command positions... It is a two year masters degree program in strategic

studies....

I attended a seminar that was designed to teach these colonels how to deal

with the media. They had a panel of 4 journalists... one from The New Yorker...

as liberal a Yankee newspaper as even put in ink, FOX, NBC, and last but not

least the retired guy that work for CNN. They flat out stated... you have to

feed us.... our employers are spending a lot of money to send us to Iraq and

such places.... they demand stories from us... and positive humanitarian stories

don't deliver.... The colonels were being taught.... never give false

information.... don't try to hide things... if you do the press will create

whatever story they want, no matter the consequences... it's a business... media

that is....

All but the retired guy weren't worth shooting.... One guy admitted that his

only credential was being able to write, a high school diploma and a few college

hours, and being willing to go to the story.... No training or briefing on the

country, it's customs, the military...etc....

I had a better plan.....just shoot every 4th journalists and the other 3 would

shape right up.... I voted for the New Yorker guy... he was the most smug,

egotistical, idiot I had ever heard speak on anything... He did have a masters

in journalism....

Debra Parsons

Red wrote:

You sir... are not government material..... you are relying to much on the

facts and the real needs....

hatfield wrote: Because he is 78, he needs to

be flown? Because he was hit with birdshot, he

needs to be flown? What about his true medical condition? What of that,

required flight? The fact that he has good medical coverage? This is a

factor when flying?

Mike

And I stand corrected, he was flown.

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

Re: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response

to Cheney incident

Everything about the entire incident is tainted with politics..... medical

judgments in those situations always come in second... You would think,

sight unseen, that any 78 year old would need the flight... especially one

who has good medical coverage, that is factor sometimes to as the system

works. You know they were trying to keep it quiet.... and you know their

people made the decisions... not the EMS providers.

ExLngHrn@... wrote: Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Anatomy of medical response to shooting

Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

February 16, 2006

In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting of

Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat

the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in

Kenedy County.

" That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

people that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed quail,

and Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second

covey of quail.

The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said HALO-Flight

executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital

Kleberg in Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel

with Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

" I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

scene. Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

p.m., Zahren said.

" It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50 p.m.,

Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

" Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care or

a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and landed

at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington was

awake and talking during the flight, he said.

Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

powellj@...

February 16, 2006

The roads in that area are flat as a pancake and smooth as glass. So that's

not a valid reason for air transport. Helicopters are not always smooth, to

which I can attest. They vibrate, they can be noisier than a ground

ambulance, the crew usually has much less working space, it's harder to

monitor

vital signs, and it's a dangerous form of transportation compared to ground

ambulance doing a routine transport, which this would have been.

So the reasons for air transport are specious. As was my former post,

tongue in cheek, about being flown to a hospital in San . Yes, I would

rather have been at the trauma center in SA, but could easily have gone by

ground.

GG

E.(Gene) Gandy

POB 1651

Albany, TX 76430

wegandy1938@...

February 16, 2006

The roads in that area are flat as a pancake and smooth as glass. So that's

not a valid reason for air transport. Helicopters are not always smooth, to

which I can attest. They vibrate, they can be noisier than a ground

ambulance, the crew usually has much less working space, it's harder to

monitor

vital signs, and it's a dangerous form of transportation compared to ground

ambulance doing a routine transport, which this would have been.

So the reasons for air transport are specious. As was my former post,

tongue in cheek, about being flown to a hospital in San . Yes, I would

rather have been at the trauma center in SA, but could easily have gone by

ground.

GG

E.(Gene) Gandy

POB 1651

Albany, TX 76430

wegandy1938@...

February 16, 2006

My point exactly....... and everything you say is correct.... but in the end...

what comes out... not good medical judgements, not that this is pretty common

among hunters... I've been sprayed, but it was far enough that it just rained

pellets, but whatever the media and opposing political groups twist into coming

out. That is our world...

" W. Graham " wrote: I think you're making

some very bold statements with very little information

to support them. Medical judgments made at the scene, I can assure you

(based not only on procedure, but sources close to the incident), were in

fact paramount. Age alone should never be a single determinant of flying

someone. Nor should insurance. There are a lot of " you knows " in your

statement that are very questionable. " Their people " did have input towards

the decision of whether or not the flight would be made....but " their

people " were clinicians too. The ultimate decision, however, rested not on

the " their people. "

I agree with you in one thing though....the entire event ever since the

patient's arrival at the hospital has been tainted with politics...and gross

exaggeration.

Re: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response

to Cheney incident

> Everything about the entire incident is tainted with politics..... medical

> judgments in those situations always come in second... You would think,

> sight unseen, that any 78 year old would need the flight... especially one

> who has good medical coverage, that is factor sometimes to as the system

> works. You know they were trying to keep it quiet.... and you know their

> people made the decisions... not the EMS providers.

>

> ExLngHrn@... wrote: Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

>

> -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> Austin, Texas

>

> Anatomy of medical response to shooting

> Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

> By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

> February 16, 2006

>

> In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting

> of Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to

> treat the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

> Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

> 5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch

> in Kenedy County.

> " That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

> spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

> people that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

> Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

> U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed

> quail, and Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a

> second covey of quail.

> The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

> air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

> Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said

> HALO-Flight executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn

> Hospital Kleberg in Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

> Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

> Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel

> with Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

> " I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

> that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

> scene. Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

> Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

> p.m., Zahren said.

> " It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

> said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

> The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50

> p.m., Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

> HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

> personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

> " Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care

> or a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

> The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and

> landed at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said.

> Whittington was awake and talking during the flight, he said.

> Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

> powellj@...

>

February 16, 2006

My point exactly....... and everything you say is correct.... but in the end...

what comes out... not good medical judgements, not that this is pretty common

among hunters... I've been sprayed, but it was far enough that it just rained

pellets, but whatever the media and opposing political groups twist into coming

out. That is our world...

" W. Graham " wrote: I think you're making

some very bold statements with very little information

to support them. Medical judgments made at the scene, I can assure you

(based not only on procedure, but sources close to the incident), were in

fact paramount. Age alone should never be a single determinant of flying

someone. Nor should insurance. There are a lot of " you knows " in your

statement that are very questionable. " Their people " did have input towards

the decision of whether or not the flight would be made....but " their

people " were clinicians too. The ultimate decision, however, rested not on

the " their people. "

I agree with you in one thing though....the entire event ever since the

patient's arrival at the hospital has been tainted with politics...and gross

exaggeration.

Re: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response

to Cheney incident

> Everything about the entire incident is tainted with politics..... medical

> judgments in those situations always come in second... You would think,

> sight unseen, that any 78 year old would need the flight... especially one

> who has good medical coverage, that is factor sometimes to as the system

> works. You know they were trying to keep it quiet.... and you know their

> people made the decisions... not the EMS providers.

>

> ExLngHrn@... wrote: Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

>

> -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> Austin, Texas

>

> Anatomy of medical response to shooting

> Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

> By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

> February 16, 2006

>

> In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting

> of Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to

> treat the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

> Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

> 5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch

> in Kenedy County.

> " That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

> spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

> people that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

> Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

> U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed

> quail, and Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a

> second covey of quail.

> The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

> air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

> Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said

> HALO-Flight executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn

> Hospital Kleberg in Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

> Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

> Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel

> with Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

> " I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

> that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

> scene. Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

> Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

> p.m., Zahren said.

> " It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

> said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

> The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50

> p.m., Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

> HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

> personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

> " Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care

> or a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

> The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and

> landed at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said.

> Whittington was awake and talking during the flight, he said.

> Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

> powellj@...

>

February 16, 2006

My point exactly....... and everything you say is correct.... but in the end...

what comes out... not good medical judgements, not that this is pretty common

among hunters... I've been sprayed, but it was far enough that it just rained

pellets, but whatever the media and opposing political groups twist into coming

out. That is our world...

" W. Graham " wrote: I think you're making

some very bold statements with very little information

to support them. Medical judgments made at the scene, I can assure you

(based not only on procedure, but sources close to the incident), were in

fact paramount. Age alone should never be a single determinant of flying

someone. Nor should insurance. There are a lot of " you knows " in your

statement that are very questionable. " Their people " did have input towards

the decision of whether or not the flight would be made....but " their

people " were clinicians too. The ultimate decision, however, rested not on

the " their people. "

I agree with you in one thing though....the entire event ever since the

patient's arrival at the hospital has been tainted with politics...and gross

exaggeration.

Re: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response

to Cheney incident

> Everything about the entire incident is tainted with politics..... medical

> judgments in those situations always come in second... You would think,

> sight unseen, that any 78 year old would need the flight... especially one

> who has good medical coverage, that is factor sometimes to as the system

> works. You know they were trying to keep it quiet.... and you know their

> people made the decisions... not the EMS providers.

>

> ExLngHrn@... wrote: Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

>

> -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> Austin, Texas

>

> Anatomy of medical response to shooting

> Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

> By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

> February 16, 2006

>

> In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting

> of Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to

> treat the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

> Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

> 5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch

> in Kenedy County.

> " That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

> spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

> people that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

> Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

> U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed

> quail, and Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a

> second covey of quail.

> The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

> air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

> Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said

> HALO-Flight executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn

> Hospital Kleberg in Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

> Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

> Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel

> with Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

> " I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

> that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

> scene. Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

> Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

> p.m., Zahren said.

> " It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

> said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

> The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50

> p.m., Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

> HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

> personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

> " Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care

> or a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

> The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and

> landed at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said.

> Whittington was awake and talking during the flight, he said.

> Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

> powellj@...

>

February 16, 2006

There you go...now you've done it... no government agency will ever hire you

now....

" Bledsoe, DO " wrote:

There you are wrong. I will make my decisions in the best interest of my

patients knowing I have the knowledge and education to defend it in front of

any tryer of fact. Any time you deviate from that dictum you are in a much

more difficult position to justify.

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Red

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 5:04 PM

To:

Subject: RE: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response

to Cheney incident

Now you're in the swing of it... you too qualify to work with government..

It is never about getting the job done... it is about making sure nothing

can be blamed on you, which is an unattainable goal...

" Bledsoe, DO " wrote: Just goes to show you,

the whole system is out of control. What if it were

one of the 20 or so that will crash this year if current stats are correct?

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Red

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:51 PM

To:

Subject: RE: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response

to Cheney incident

He was transfered... by flight to Corpus....

hatfield wrote: I didn't see anything in

the report, or from later reports that indicated

that he needed to be flown, I think the medics on the ground (most likely

accompanied by a physician) made a sound decision. Worked out best for all

involved, except for the flight service who didn't get to bill anyone.

Mike

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response to

Cheney incident

Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Anatomy of medical response to shooting

Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

February 16, 2006

In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting of

Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat

the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in

Kenedy County.

" That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

people that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed quail,

and Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second

covey of quail.

The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said HALO-Flight

executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital

Kleberg in Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel

with Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

" I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

scene. Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

p.m., Zahren said.

" It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50 p.m.,

Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

" Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care or

a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and landed

at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington was

awake and talking during the flight, he said.

Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

powellj@...

February 16, 2006

There you go...now you've done it... no government agency will ever hire you

now....

" Bledsoe, DO " wrote:

There you are wrong. I will make my decisions in the best interest of my

patients knowing I have the knowledge and education to defend it in front of

any tryer of fact. Any time you deviate from that dictum you are in a much

more difficult position to justify.

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Red

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 5:04 PM

To:

Subject: RE: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response

to Cheney incident

Now you're in the swing of it... you too qualify to work with government..

It is never about getting the job done... it is about making sure nothing

can be blamed on you, which is an unattainable goal...

" Bledsoe, DO " wrote: Just goes to show you,

the whole system is out of control. What if it were

one of the 20 or so that will crash this year if current stats are correct?

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Red

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:51 PM

To:

Subject: RE: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response

to Cheney incident

He was transfered... by flight to Corpus....

hatfield wrote: I didn't see anything in

the report, or from later reports that indicated

that he needed to be flown, I think the medics on the ground (most likely

accompanied by a physician) made a sound decision. Worked out best for all

involved, except for the flight service who didn't get to bill anyone.

Mike

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response to

Cheney incident

Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Anatomy of medical response to shooting

Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

February 16, 2006

In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting of

Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat

the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in

Kenedy County.

" That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

people that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed quail,

and Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second

covey of quail.

The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said HALO-Flight

executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital

Kleberg in Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel

with Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

" I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

scene. Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

p.m., Zahren said.

" It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50 p.m.,

Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

" Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care or

a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and landed

at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington was

awake and talking during the flight, he said.

Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

powellj@...

February 16, 2006

There you go...now you've done it... no government agency will ever hire you

now....

" Bledsoe, DO " wrote:

There you are wrong. I will make my decisions in the best interest of my

patients knowing I have the knowledge and education to defend it in front of

any tryer of fact. Any time you deviate from that dictum you are in a much

more difficult position to justify.

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Red

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 5:04 PM

To:

Subject: RE: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response

to Cheney incident

Now you're in the swing of it... you too qualify to work with government..

It is never about getting the job done... it is about making sure nothing

can be blamed on you, which is an unattainable goal...

" Bledsoe, DO " wrote: Just goes to show you,

the whole system is out of control. What if it were

one of the 20 or so that will crash this year if current stats are correct?

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Red

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:51 PM

To:

Subject: RE: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response

to Cheney incident

He was transfered... by flight to Corpus....

hatfield wrote: I didn't see anything in

the report, or from later reports that indicated

that he needed to be flown, I think the medics on the ground (most likely

accompanied by a physician) made a sound decision. Worked out best for all

involved, except for the flight service who didn't get to bill anyone.

Mike

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response to

Cheney incident

Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Anatomy of medical response to shooting

Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

February 16, 2006

In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting of

Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat

the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in

Kenedy County.

" That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

people that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed quail,

and Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second

covey of quail.

The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said HALO-Flight

executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital

Kleberg in Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel

with Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

" I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

scene. Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

p.m., Zahren said.

" It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50 p.m.,

Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

" Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care or

a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and landed

at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington was

awake and talking during the flight, he said.

Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

powellj@...

February 16, 2006

No. Please define. I was a biology major in my college years.

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Red

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 6:15 PM

To:

Subject: RE: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response

to Cheney incident

I know you guys know the word facetious....

Red wrote: There you go...now you've done it...

no government agency will ever hire you now....

" Bledsoe, DO " wrote:

There you are wrong. I will make my decisions in the best interest of my

patients knowing I have the knowledge and education to defend it in front of

any tryer of fact. Any time you deviate from that dictum you are in a much

more difficult position to justify.

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Red

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 5:04 PM

To:

Subject: RE: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response

to Cheney incident

Now you're in the swing of it... you too qualify to work with government..

It is never about getting the job done... it is about making sure nothing

can be blamed on you, which is an unattainable goal...

" Bledsoe, DO " wrote: Just goes to show you,

the whole system is out of control. What if it were

one of the 20 or so that will crash this year if current stats are correct?

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Red

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:51 PM

To:

Subject: RE: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response

to Cheney incident

He was transfered... by flight to Corpus....

hatfield wrote: I didn't see anything in

the report, or from later reports that indicated

that he needed to be flown, I think the medics on the ground (most likely

accompanied by a physician) made a sound decision. Worked out best for all

involved, except for the flight service who didn't get to bill anyone.

Mike

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response to

Cheney incident

Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Anatomy of medical response to shooting

Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

February 16, 2006

In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting of

Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat

the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in

Kenedy County.

" That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

people that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed quail,

and Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second

covey of quail.

The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said HALO-Flight

executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital

Kleberg in Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel

with Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

" I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

scene. Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

p.m., Zahren said.

" It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50 p.m.,

Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

" Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care or

a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and landed

at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington was

awake and talking during the flight, he said.

Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

powellj@...

February 16, 2006

No. Please define. I was a biology major in my college years.

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Red

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 6:15 PM

To:

Subject: RE: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response

to Cheney incident

I know you guys know the word facetious....

Red wrote: There you go...now you've done it...

no government agency will ever hire you now....

" Bledsoe, DO " wrote:

There you are wrong. I will make my decisions in the best interest of my

patients knowing I have the knowledge and education to defend it in front of

any tryer of fact. Any time you deviate from that dictum you are in a much

more difficult position to justify.

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Red

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 5:04 PM

To:

Subject: RE: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response

to Cheney incident

Now you're in the swing of it... you too qualify to work with government..

It is never about getting the job done... it is about making sure nothing

can be blamed on you, which is an unattainable goal...

" Bledsoe, DO " wrote: Just goes to show you,

the whole system is out of control. What if it were

one of the 20 or so that will crash this year if current stats are correct?

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Red

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:51 PM

To:

Subject: RE: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response

to Cheney incident

He was transfered... by flight to Corpus....

hatfield wrote: I didn't see anything in

the report, or from later reports that indicated

that he needed to be flown, I think the medics on the ground (most likely

accompanied by a physician) made a sound decision. Worked out best for all

involved, except for the flight service who didn't get to bill anyone.

Mike

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response to

Cheney incident

Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Anatomy of medical response to shooting

Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

February 16, 2006

In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting of

Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat

the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in

Kenedy County.

" That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

people that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed quail,

and Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second

covey of quail.

The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said HALO-Flight

executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital

Kleberg in Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel

with Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

" I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

scene. Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

p.m., Zahren said.

" It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50 p.m.,

Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

" Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care or

a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and landed

at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington was

awake and talking during the flight, he said.

Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

powellj@...

February 16, 2006

I didn't see anything in the report, or from later reports that indicated

that he needed to be flown, I think the medics on the ground (most likely

accompanied by a physician) made a sound decision. Worked out best for all

involved, except for the flight service who didn't get to bill anyone.

Mike

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response to

Cheney incident

Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Anatomy of medical response to shooting

Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

February 16, 2006

In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting of

Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat

the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in

Kenedy County.

" That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

people that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed quail,

and Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second

covey of quail.

The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said HALO-Flight

executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital

Kleberg in Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel

with Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

" I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

scene. Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

p.m., Zahren said.

" It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50 p.m.,

Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

" Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care or

a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and landed

at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington was

awake and talking during the flight, he said.

Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

powellj@...

February 16, 2006

I didn't see anything in the report, or from later reports that indicated

that he needed to be flown, I think the medics on the ground (most likely

accompanied by a physician) made a sound decision. Worked out best for all

involved, except for the flight service who didn't get to bill anyone.

Mike

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response to

Cheney incident

Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Anatomy of medical response to shooting

Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

February 16, 2006

In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting of

Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat

the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in

Kenedy County.

" That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

people that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed quail,

and Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second

covey of quail.

The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said HALO-Flight

executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital

Kleberg in Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel

with Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

" I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

scene. Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

p.m., Zahren said.

" It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50 p.m.,

Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

" Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care or

a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and landed

at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington was

awake and talking during the flight, he said.

Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

powellj@...

February 16, 2006

Because he is 78, he needs to be flown? Because he was hit with birdshot, he

needs to be flown? What about his true medical condition? What of that,

required flight? The fact that he has good medical coverage? This is a

factor when flying?

Mike

And I stand corrected, he was flown.

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

Re: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response

to Cheney incident

Everything about the entire incident is tainted with politics..... medical

judgments in those situations always come in second... You would think,

sight unseen, that any 78 year old would need the flight... especially one

who has good medical coverage, that is factor sometimes to as the system

works. You know they were trying to keep it quiet.... and you know their

people made the decisions... not the EMS providers.

ExLngHrn@... wrote: Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Anatomy of medical response to shooting

Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

February 16, 2006

In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting of

Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat

the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in

Kenedy County.

" That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

people that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed quail,

and Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second

covey of quail.

The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said HALO-Flight

executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital

Kleberg in Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel

with Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

" I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

scene. Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

p.m., Zahren said.

" It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50 p.m.,

Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

" Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care or

a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and landed

at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington was

awake and talking during the flight, he said.

Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

powellj@...

February 16, 2006

Because he is 78, he needs to be flown? Because he was hit with birdshot, he

needs to be flown? What about his true medical condition? What of that,

required flight? The fact that he has good medical coverage? This is a

factor when flying?

Mike

And I stand corrected, he was flown.

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

Re: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response

to Cheney incident

Everything about the entire incident is tainted with politics..... medical

judgments in those situations always come in second... You would think,

sight unseen, that any 78 year old would need the flight... especially one

who has good medical coverage, that is factor sometimes to as the system

works. You know they were trying to keep it quiet.... and you know their

people made the decisions... not the EMS providers.

ExLngHrn@... wrote: Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Anatomy of medical response to shooting

Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

February 16, 2006

In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting of

Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat

the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in

Kenedy County.

" That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

people that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed quail,

and Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second

covey of quail.

The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said HALO-Flight

executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital

Kleberg in Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel

with Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

" I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

scene. Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

p.m., Zahren said.

" It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50 p.m.,

Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

" Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care or

a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and landed

at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington was

awake and talking during the flight, he said.

Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

powellj@...

February 16, 2006

Because he is 78, he needs to be flown? Because he was hit with birdshot, he

needs to be flown? What about his true medical condition? What of that,

required flight? The fact that he has good medical coverage? This is a

factor when flying?

Mike

And I stand corrected, he was flown.

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

Re: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response

to Cheney incident

Everything about the entire incident is tainted with politics..... medical

judgments in those situations always come in second... You would think,

sight unseen, that any 78 year old would need the flight... especially one

who has good medical coverage, that is factor sometimes to as the system

works. You know they were trying to keep it quiet.... and you know their

people made the decisions... not the EMS providers.

ExLngHrn@... wrote: Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Anatomy of medical response to shooting

Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

February 16, 2006

In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting of

Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat

the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in

Kenedy County.

" That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

people that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed quail,

and Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second

covey of quail.

The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said HALO-Flight

executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital

Kleberg in Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel

with Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

" I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

scene. Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

p.m., Zahren said.

" It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50 p.m.,

Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

" Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care or

a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and landed

at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington was

awake and talking during the flight, he said.

Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

powellj@...

February 16, 2006

One answer is to look at the times:

Halo Flight arrived at Kingsville at 7:29pm; arrived at Chriistus Spohn in

Corpus at 8:09pm. Given 5-10 minutes on the ground to start with, that gives a

flight of about 30-35 minutes. Ground ambulance travel time on the same route

would be about triple that, and would be a rougher trip - for a 78 year old with

a number of unnatural holes in his body.

Christus Spohn is a Level III trauma facility; the Kingsville hospital is a

Level IV. Greater capabilities and more experience with GSW.

As for why he wasn't flown to Kingsville, that is also shown by the times. It

took about 25 minutes to get him to Kingsville by ground ambulance; it took

about the same amount of time to get the bird to Kingsville once it was called -

meaning he got to the hospital in Kingsville more quickly by ground. So,

transport by air was not only not needed for that portion, it was a worse choice

for the patient.

For the transfer to the higher-level facility, transport by air was much

faster and smoother for the patient. Reasonable call again, and a medical one

that the Kingsville hospital would have made on a routine basis.

wegandy1938@... wrote:

Well, I wouldn't think, sight unseen or otherwise, that the 78 year old

needed to be flown. What would a helo flight do for him? Nothing except up

his bill $10,000.

Not only that, but his risk of death or injury quadruples the minute he gets

into that pile of nuts, bolts, and wires just waiting to fly apart.

No flight for this guy.

Gene G.

> Everything about the entire incident is tainted with politics..... medical

> judgments in those situations always come in second... You would think,

> sight unseen, that any 78 year old would need the flight... especially one who

> has good medical coverage, that is factor sometimes to as the system works.

> You know they were trying to keep it quiet.... and you know their people made

> the decisions... not the EMS providers.

>

> ExLngHrn@... wrote: Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

>

> -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> Austin, Texas

>

> Anatomy of medical response to shooting

> Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

> By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

> February 16, 2006

>

> In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting of

> Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat

> the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

> Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

> 5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in

> Kenedy County.

> " That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

> spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

people

> that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

> Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

> U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed quail,

and

> Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second covey

> of quail.

> The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

> air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

> Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said HALO-Flight

> executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital Kleberg

in

> Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

> Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

> Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel with

> Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

> " I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

> that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

scene.

> Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

> Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

> p.m., Zahren said.

> " It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

> said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

> The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50 p.m.,

> Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

> HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

> personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

> " Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care or

> a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

> The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and landed

> at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington was

> awake and talking during the flight, he said.

> Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

> powellj@...

>

February 16, 2006

One answer is to look at the times:

Halo Flight arrived at Kingsville at 7:29pm; arrived at Chriistus Spohn in

Corpus at 8:09pm. Given 5-10 minutes on the ground to start with, that gives a

flight of about 30-35 minutes. Ground ambulance travel time on the same route

would be about triple that, and would be a rougher trip - for a 78 year old with

a number of unnatural holes in his body.

Christus Spohn is a Level III trauma facility; the Kingsville hospital is a

Level IV. Greater capabilities and more experience with GSW.

As for why he wasn't flown to Kingsville, that is also shown by the times. It

took about 25 minutes to get him to Kingsville by ground ambulance; it took

about the same amount of time to get the bird to Kingsville once it was called -

meaning he got to the hospital in Kingsville more quickly by ground. So,

transport by air was not only not needed for that portion, it was a worse choice

for the patient.

For the transfer to the higher-level facility, transport by air was much

faster and smoother for the patient. Reasonable call again, and a medical one

that the Kingsville hospital would have made on a routine basis.

wegandy1938@... wrote:

Well, I wouldn't think, sight unseen or otherwise, that the 78 year old

needed to be flown. What would a helo flight do for him? Nothing except up

his bill $10,000.

Not only that, but his risk of death or injury quadruples the minute he gets

into that pile of nuts, bolts, and wires just waiting to fly apart.

No flight for this guy.

Gene G.

> Everything about the entire incident is tainted with politics..... medical

> judgments in those situations always come in second... You would think,

> sight unseen, that any 78 year old would need the flight... especially one who

> has good medical coverage, that is factor sometimes to as the system works.

> You know they were trying to keep it quiet.... and you know their people made

> the decisions... not the EMS providers.

>

> ExLngHrn@... wrote: Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

>

> -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> Austin, Texas

>

> Anatomy of medical response to shooting

> Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

> By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

> February 16, 2006

>

> In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting of

> Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat

> the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

> Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

> 5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in

> Kenedy County.

> " That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

> spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

people

> that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

> Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

> U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed quail,

and

> Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second covey

> of quail.

> The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

> air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

> Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said HALO-Flight

> executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital Kleberg

in

> Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

> Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

> Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel with

> Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

> " I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

> that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

scene.

> Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

> Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

> p.m., Zahren said.

> " It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

> said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

> The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50 p.m.,

> Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

> HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

> personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

> " Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care or

> a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

> The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and landed

> at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington was

> awake and talking during the flight, he said.

> Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

> powellj@...

>

February 16, 2006

I beg to differ, if he made the trip to Kingsville by ground, then he was in

a facility that could have at least provided stabilization, which I am

certain they did. If he was stabilized, then why would he need air transport

from there? Smoother? Not hardly, not the birds I have been in, I would take

a bus any day. Age and birdshot alone do not constitute the need for air

transport.

Mike

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

Re: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response

to Cheney incident

One answer is to look at the times:

Halo Flight arrived at Kingsville at 7:29pm; arrived at Chriistus Spohn in

Corpus at 8:09pm. Given 5-10 minutes on the ground to start with, that

gives a flight of about 30-35 minutes. Ground ambulance travel time on the

same route would be about triple that, and would be a rougher trip - for a

78 year old with a number of unnatural holes in his body.

Christus Spohn is a Level III trauma facility; the Kingsville hospital is

a Level IV. Greater capabilities and more experience with GSW.

As for why he wasn't flown to Kingsville, that is also shown by the times.

It took about 25 minutes to get him to Kingsville by ground ambulance; it

took about the same amount of time to get the bird to Kingsville once it was

called - meaning he got to the hospital in Kingsville more quickly by

ground. So, transport by air was not only not needed for that portion, it

was a worse choice for the patient.

For the transfer to the higher-level facility, transport by air was much

faster and smoother for the patient. Reasonable call again, and a medical

one that the Kingsville hospital would have made on a routine basis.

wegandy1938@... wrote:

Well, I wouldn't think, sight unseen or otherwise, that the 78 year old

needed to be flown. What would a helo flight do for him? Nothing except up

his bill $10,000.

Not only that, but his risk of death or injury quadruples the minute he gets

into that pile of nuts, bolts, and wires just waiting to fly apart.

No flight for this guy.

Gene G.

> Everything about the entire incident is tainted with politics..... medical

> judgments in those situations always come in second... You would think,

> sight unseen, that any 78 year old would need the flight... especially one

who

> has good medical coverage, that is factor sometimes to as the system

works.

> You know they were trying to keep it quiet.... and you know their people

made

> the decisions... not the EMS providers.

>

> ExLngHrn@... wrote: Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

>

> -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> Austin, Texas

>

> Anatomy of medical response to shooting

> Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

> By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

> February 16, 2006

>

> In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting

of

> Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat

> the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

> Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

> 5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch

in

> Kenedy County.

> " That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

> spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

people

> that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

> Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

> U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed

quail, and

> Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second

covey

> of quail.

> The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

> air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

> Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said

HALO-Flight

> executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital

Kleberg in

> Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

> Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

> Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel

with

> Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

> " I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

> that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

scene.

> Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

> Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

> p.m., Zahren said.

> " It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

> said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

> The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50

p.m.,

> Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

> HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

> personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

> " Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care

or

> a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

> The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and

landed

> at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington

was

> awake and talking during the flight, he said.

> Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

> powellj@...

>

February 16, 2006

I beg to differ, if he made the trip to Kingsville by ground, then he was in

a facility that could have at least provided stabilization, which I am

certain they did. If he was stabilized, then why would he need air transport

from there? Smoother? Not hardly, not the birds I have been in, I would take

a bus any day. Age and birdshot alone do not constitute the need for air

transport.

Mike

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

Re: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response

to Cheney incident

One answer is to look at the times:

Halo Flight arrived at Kingsville at 7:29pm; arrived at Chriistus Spohn in

Corpus at 8:09pm. Given 5-10 minutes on the ground to start with, that

gives a flight of about 30-35 minutes. Ground ambulance travel time on the

same route would be about triple that, and would be a rougher trip - for a

78 year old with a number of unnatural holes in his body.

Christus Spohn is a Level III trauma facility; the Kingsville hospital is

a Level IV. Greater capabilities and more experience with GSW.

As for why he wasn't flown to Kingsville, that is also shown by the times.

It took about 25 minutes to get him to Kingsville by ground ambulance; it

took about the same amount of time to get the bird to Kingsville once it was

called - meaning he got to the hospital in Kingsville more quickly by

ground. So, transport by air was not only not needed for that portion, it

was a worse choice for the patient.

For the transfer to the higher-level facility, transport by air was much

faster and smoother for the patient. Reasonable call again, and a medical

one that the Kingsville hospital would have made on a routine basis.

wegandy1938@... wrote:

Well, I wouldn't think, sight unseen or otherwise, that the 78 year old

needed to be flown. What would a helo flight do for him? Nothing except up

his bill $10,000.

Not only that, but his risk of death or injury quadruples the minute he gets

into that pile of nuts, bolts, and wires just waiting to fly apart.

No flight for this guy.

Gene G.

> Everything about the entire incident is tainted with politics..... medical

> judgments in those situations always come in second... You would think,

> sight unseen, that any 78 year old would need the flight... especially one

who

> has good medical coverage, that is factor sometimes to as the system

works.

> You know they were trying to keep it quiet.... and you know their people

made

> the decisions... not the EMS providers.

>

> ExLngHrn@... wrote: Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

>

> -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> Austin, Texas

>

> Anatomy of medical response to shooting

> Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

> By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

> February 16, 2006

>

> In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting

of

> Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat

> the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

> Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

> 5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch

in

> Kenedy County.

> " That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

> spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

people

> that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

> Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

> U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed

quail, and

> Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second

covey

> of quail.

> The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

> air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

> Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said

HALO-Flight

> executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital

Kleberg in

> Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

> Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

> Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel

with

> Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

> " I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

> that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

scene.

> Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

> Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

> p.m., Zahren said.

> " It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

> said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

> The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50

p.m.,

> Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

> HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

> personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

> " Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care

or

> a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

> The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and

landed

> at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington

was

> awake and talking during the flight, he said.

> Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

> powellj@...

>

February 16, 2006

I beg to differ, if he made the trip to Kingsville by ground, then he was in

a facility that could have at least provided stabilization, which I am

certain they did. If he was stabilized, then why would he need air transport

from there? Smoother? Not hardly, not the birds I have been in, I would take

a bus any day. Age and birdshot alone do not constitute the need for air

transport.

Mike

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

Re: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response

to Cheney incident

One answer is to look at the times:

Halo Flight arrived at Kingsville at 7:29pm; arrived at Chriistus Spohn in

Corpus at 8:09pm. Given 5-10 minutes on the ground to start with, that

gives a flight of about 30-35 minutes. Ground ambulance travel time on the

same route would be about triple that, and would be a rougher trip - for a

78 year old with a number of unnatural holes in his body.

Christus Spohn is a Level III trauma facility; the Kingsville hospital is

a Level IV. Greater capabilities and more experience with GSW.

As for why he wasn't flown to Kingsville, that is also shown by the times.

It took about 25 minutes to get him to Kingsville by ground ambulance; it

took about the same amount of time to get the bird to Kingsville once it was

called - meaning he got to the hospital in Kingsville more quickly by

ground. So, transport by air was not only not needed for that portion, it

was a worse choice for the patient.

For the transfer to the higher-level facility, transport by air was much

faster and smoother for the patient. Reasonable call again, and a medical

one that the Kingsville hospital would have made on a routine basis.

wegandy1938@... wrote:

Well, I wouldn't think, sight unseen or otherwise, that the 78 year old

needed to be flown. What would a helo flight do for him? Nothing except up

his bill $10,000.

Not only that, but his risk of death or injury quadruples the minute he gets

into that pile of nuts, bolts, and wires just waiting to fly apart.

No flight for this guy.

Gene G.

> Everything about the entire incident is tainted with politics..... medical

> judgments in those situations always come in second... You would think,

> sight unseen, that any 78 year old would need the flight... especially one

who

> has good medical coverage, that is factor sometimes to as the system

works.

> You know they were trying to keep it quiet.... and you know their people

made

> the decisions... not the EMS providers.

>

> ExLngHrn@... wrote: Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

>

> -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> Austin, Texas

>

> Anatomy of medical response to shooting

> Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

> By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

> February 16, 2006

>

> In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting

of

> Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat

> the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

> Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

> 5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch

in

> Kenedy County.

> " That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

> spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

people

> that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

> Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

> U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed

quail, and

> Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second

covey

> of quail.

> The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

> air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

> Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said

HALO-Flight

> executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital

Kleberg in

> Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

> Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

> Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel

with

> Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

> " I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

> that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

scene.

> Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

> Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

> p.m., Zahren said.

> " It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

> said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

> The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50

p.m.,

> Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

> HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

> personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

> " Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care

or

> a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

> The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and

landed

> at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington

was

> awake and talking during the flight, he said.

> Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

> powellj@...

>

February 17, 2006

No one seems to get this...... the guy got excellent care..... there was a

medical team with the vice-president..... listen to the news. My point is

politics and the media.... this morning some of the media are calling on the

vice president to resign......

STEVE BOWMAN wrote: One answer is to look at the times:

Halo Flight arrived at Kingsville at 7:29pm; arrived at Chriistus Spohn in

Corpus at 8:09pm. Given 5-10 minutes on the ground to start with, that gives a

flight of about 30-35 minutes. Ground ambulance travel time on the same route

would be about triple that, and would be a rougher trip - for a 78 year old with

a number of unnatural holes in his body.

Christus Spohn is a Level III trauma facility; the Kingsville hospital is a

Level IV. Greater capabilities and more experience with GSW.

As for why he wasn't flown to Kingsville, that is also shown by the times. It

took about 25 minutes to get him to Kingsville by ground ambulance; it took

about the same amount of time to get the bird to Kingsville once it was called -

meaning he got to the hospital in Kingsville more quickly by ground. So,

transport by air was not only not needed for that portion, it was a worse choice

for the patient.

For the transfer to the higher-level facility, transport by air was much

faster and smoother for the patient. Reasonable call again, and a medical one

that the Kingsville hospital would have made on a routine basis.

wegandy1938@... wrote:

Well, I wouldn't think, sight unseen or otherwise, that the 78 year old

needed to be flown. What would a helo flight do for him? Nothing except up

his bill $10,000.

Not only that, but his risk of death or injury quadruples the minute he gets

into that pile of nuts, bolts, and wires just waiting to fly apart.

No flight for this guy.

Gene G.

> Everything about the entire incident is tainted with politics..... medical

> judgments in those situations always come in second... You would think,

> sight unseen, that any 78 year old would need the flight... especially one who

> has good medical coverage, that is factor sometimes to as the system works.

> You know they were trying to keep it quiet.... and you know their people made

> the decisions... not the EMS providers.

>

> ExLngHrn@... wrote: Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

>

> -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> Austin, Texas

>

> Anatomy of medical response to shooting

> Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

> By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

> February 16, 2006

>

> In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting of

> Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat

> the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

> Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

> 5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in

> Kenedy County.

> " That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

> spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

people

> that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

> Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

> U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed quail,

and

> Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second covey

> of quail.

> The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

> air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

> Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said HALO-Flight

> executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital Kleberg

in

> Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

> Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

> Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel with

> Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

> " I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

> that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

scene.

> Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

> Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

> p.m., Zahren said.

> " It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

> said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

> The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50 p.m.,

> Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

> HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

> personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

> " Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care or

> a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

> The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and landed

> at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington was

> awake and talking during the flight, he said.

> Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

> powellj@...

>

February 17, 2006

No one seems to get this...... the guy got excellent care..... there was a

medical team with the vice-president..... listen to the news. My point is

politics and the media.... this morning some of the media are calling on the

vice president to resign......

STEVE BOWMAN wrote: One answer is to look at the times:

Halo Flight arrived at Kingsville at 7:29pm; arrived at Chriistus Spohn in

Corpus at 8:09pm. Given 5-10 minutes on the ground to start with, that gives a

flight of about 30-35 minutes. Ground ambulance travel time on the same route

would be about triple that, and would be a rougher trip - for a 78 year old with

a number of unnatural holes in his body.

Christus Spohn is a Level III trauma facility; the Kingsville hospital is a

Level IV. Greater capabilities and more experience with GSW.

As for why he wasn't flown to Kingsville, that is also shown by the times. It

took about 25 minutes to get him to Kingsville by ground ambulance; it took

about the same amount of time to get the bird to Kingsville once it was called -

meaning he got to the hospital in Kingsville more quickly by ground. So,

transport by air was not only not needed for that portion, it was a worse choice

for the patient.

For the transfer to the higher-level facility, transport by air was much

faster and smoother for the patient. Reasonable call again, and a medical one

that the Kingsville hospital would have made on a routine basis.

wegandy1938@... wrote:

Well, I wouldn't think, sight unseen or otherwise, that the 78 year old

needed to be flown. What would a helo flight do for him? Nothing except up

his bill $10,000.

Not only that, but his risk of death or injury quadruples the minute he gets

into that pile of nuts, bolts, and wires just waiting to fly apart.

No flight for this guy.

Gene G.

> Everything about the entire incident is tainted with politics..... medical

> judgments in those situations always come in second... You would think,

> sight unseen, that any 78 year old would need the flight... especially one who

> has good medical coverage, that is factor sometimes to as the system works.

> You know they were trying to keep it quiet.... and you know their people made

> the decisions... not the EMS providers.

>

> ExLngHrn@... wrote: Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

>

> -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> Austin, Texas

>

> Anatomy of medical response to shooting

> Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

> By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

> February 16, 2006

>

> In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting of

> Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat

> the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

> Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

> 5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in

> Kenedy County.

> " That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

> spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

people

> that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

> Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

> U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed quail,

and

> Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second covey

> of quail.

> The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

> air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

> Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said HALO-Flight

> executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital Kleberg

in

> Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

> Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

> Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel with

> Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

> " I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

> that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

scene.

> Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

> Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

> p.m., Zahren said.

> " It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

> said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

> The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50 p.m.,

> Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

> HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

> personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

> " Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care or

> a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

> The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and landed

> at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington was

> awake and talking during the flight, he said.

> Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

> powellj@...

>

February 17, 2006

No one seems to get this...... the guy got excellent care..... there was a

medical team with the vice-president..... listen to the news. My point is

politics and the media.... this morning some of the media are calling on the

vice president to resign......

STEVE BOWMAN wrote: One answer is to look at the times:

Halo Flight arrived at Kingsville at 7:29pm; arrived at Chriistus Spohn in

Corpus at 8:09pm. Given 5-10 minutes on the ground to start with, that gives a

flight of about 30-35 minutes. Ground ambulance travel time on the same route

would be about triple that, and would be a rougher trip - for a 78 year old with

a number of unnatural holes in his body.

Christus Spohn is a Level III trauma facility; the Kingsville hospital is a

Level IV. Greater capabilities and more experience with GSW.

As for why he wasn't flown to Kingsville, that is also shown by the times. It

took about 25 minutes to get him to Kingsville by ground ambulance; it took

about the same amount of time to get the bird to Kingsville once it was called -

meaning he got to the hospital in Kingsville more quickly by ground. So,

transport by air was not only not needed for that portion, it was a worse choice

for the patient.

For the transfer to the higher-level facility, transport by air was much

faster and smoother for the patient. Reasonable call again, and a medical one

that the Kingsville hospital would have made on a routine basis.

wegandy1938@... wrote:

Well, I wouldn't think, sight unseen or otherwise, that the 78 year old

needed to be flown. What would a helo flight do for him? Nothing except up

his bill $10,000.

Not only that, but his risk of death or injury quadruples the minute he gets

into that pile of nuts, bolts, and wires just waiting to fly apart.

No flight for this guy.

Gene G.

> Everything about the entire incident is tainted with politics..... medical

> judgments in those situations always come in second... You would think,

> sight unseen, that any 78 year old would need the flight... especially one who

> has good medical coverage, that is factor sometimes to as the system works.

> You know they were trying to keep it quiet.... and you know their people made

> the decisions... not the EMS providers.

>

> ExLngHrn@... wrote: Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

>

> -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> Austin, Texas

>

> Anatomy of medical response to shooting

> Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

> By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

> February 16, 2006

>

> In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting of

> Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat

> the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

> Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

> 5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in

> Kenedy County.

> " That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

> spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

people

> that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

> Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

> U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed quail,

and

> Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second covey

> of quail.

> The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

> air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

> Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said HALO-Flight

> executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital Kleberg

in

> Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

> Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

> Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel with

> Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

> " I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

> that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

scene.

> Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

> Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

> p.m., Zahren said.

> " It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

> said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

> The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50 p.m.,

> Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

> HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

> personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

> " Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care or

> a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

> The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and landed

> at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington was

> awake and talking during the flight, he said.

> Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

> powellj@...

>

February 17, 2006

Man....if I get on 45 today and I'm in a wreck so bad my head is hanging on by a

thread...... I want you guys to come get me..... you really do show a passion

and devotion to professionalism. Truly there seems to be a much higher standard

of practice among the people on this site...... and a devotion to academic

questions. A lot fewer mistakes are made by people who are left brained and

always thinking of the science of something.

Debra Parsons

hatfield wrote:

I beg to differ, if he made the trip to Kingsville by ground, then he was in

a facility that could have at least provided stabilization, which I am

certain they did. If he was stabilized, then why would he need air transport

from there? Smoother? Not hardly, not the birds I have been in, I would take

a bus any day. Age and birdshot alone do not constitute the need for air

transport.

Mike

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

Re: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response

to Cheney incident

One answer is to look at the times:

Halo Flight arrived at Kingsville at 7:29pm; arrived at Chriistus Spohn in

Corpus at 8:09pm. Given 5-10 minutes on the ground to start with, that

gives a flight of about 30-35 minutes. Ground ambulance travel time on the

same route would be about triple that, and would be a rougher trip - for a

78 year old with a number of unnatural holes in his body.

Christus Spohn is a Level III trauma facility; the Kingsville hospital is

a Level IV. Greater capabilities and more experience with GSW.

As for why he wasn't flown to Kingsville, that is also shown by the times.

It took about 25 minutes to get him to Kingsville by ground ambulance; it

took about the same amount of time to get the bird to Kingsville once it was

called - meaning he got to the hospital in Kingsville more quickly by

ground. So, transport by air was not only not needed for that portion, it

was a worse choice for the patient.

For the transfer to the higher-level facility, transport by air was much

faster and smoother for the patient. Reasonable call again, and a medical

one that the Kingsville hospital would have made on a routine basis.

wegandy1938@... wrote:

Well, I wouldn't think, sight unseen or otherwise, that the 78 year old

needed to be flown. What would a helo flight do for him? Nothing except up

his bill $10,000.

Not only that, but his risk of death or injury quadruples the minute he gets

into that pile of nuts, bolts, and wires just waiting to fly apart.

No flight for this guy.

Gene G.

> Everything about the entire incident is tainted with politics..... medical

> judgments in those situations always come in second... You would think,

> sight unseen, that any 78 year old would need the flight... especially one

who

> has good medical coverage, that is factor sometimes to as the system

works.

> You know they were trying to keep it quiet.... and you know their people

made

> the decisions... not the EMS providers.

>

> ExLngHrn@... wrote: Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

>

> -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> Austin, Texas

>

> Anatomy of medical response to shooting

> Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

> By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

> February 16, 2006

>

> In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting

of

> Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat

> the injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

> Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and

> 5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch

in

> Kenedy County.

> " That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service

> spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our

people

> that were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

> Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford,

> U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed

quail, and

> Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second

covey

> of quail.

> The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the

> air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to

> Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said

HALO-Flight

> executive director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital

Kleberg in

> Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

> Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

> Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel

with

> Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

> " I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks

> that were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the

scene.

> Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

> Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20

> p.m., Zahren said.

> " It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren

> said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

> The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50

p.m.,

> Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

> HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical

> personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

> " Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care

or

> a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

> The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and

landed

> at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington

was

> awake and talking during the flight, he said.

> Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

> powellj@...

>

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