Re: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response to Cheney incident

February 17, 2006

I stand corrected. I knew should have asked the history teacher down the hall,

and not taken a students word for it, I'm just responsible to teach 'em this

medical stuff......

-MH

>>> THEDUDMAN@... 2/17/2006 1:20 pm >>>

,

Small correction to your piece about a VP who has shot someone...

Hamilton was not a VP who shot somebody...it was Burr, Jefferson's

first VP from 1800 to 1804...who did so in a duel in July 1804...shortly after

losing out on the NY Governor's election...

Hamilton, unfortunately, was involved in that he was the receiver of

the round from Burr....I also believe this was the last legal duel in the United

States.

Just wanted to correct the history piece...I am a little familiar with this as

Mr. Burr is way back in my family ancestory....

Dudley

Re: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response to

Cheney incident

We have 2 sections of farmland south of Stratford(Pheasant Capital of Texas).

The first couple of days of pheasant season, I'll guarantee that a few hunters

will get peppered by shot. Usually not a big deal, ask Stratford EMS how many

times they have called a helicopter for a 'peppering'. I suppose since this is

the second VP who has shot somebody ( Hamilton was the first), the

press has to overblow it.

-MH

>>> ExLngHrn@... 2/16/2006 4:19 pm >>>

Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Anatomy of medical response to shooting

Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

February 16, 2006

In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting of

Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat the

injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and 5:50

p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in Kenedy

County.

" That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service spokesman

Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our people that

were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford, U.S.

ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed quail, and

Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second covey of

quail.

The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the air

ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to Christus

Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said HALO-Flight executive

director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital Kleberg in

Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel with

Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

" I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks that

were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the scene.

Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20 p.m.,

Zahren said.

" It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren said.

" It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50 p.m.,

Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical personnel

decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

" Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care or a

doctor preference, " Rowe said.

The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and landed at

the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington was awake

and talking during the flight, he said.

Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

powellj@...

February 17, 2006

I stand corrected. I knew should have asked the history teacher down the hall,

and not taken a students word for it, I'm just responsible to teach 'em this

medical stuff......

-MH

>>> THEDUDMAN@... 2/17/2006 1:20 pm >>>

,

Small correction to your piece about a VP who has shot someone...

Hamilton was not a VP who shot somebody...it was Burr, Jefferson's

first VP from 1800 to 1804...who did so in a duel in July 1804...shortly after

losing out on the NY Governor's election...

Hamilton, unfortunately, was involved in that he was the receiver of

the round from Burr....I also believe this was the last legal duel in the United

States.

Just wanted to correct the history piece...I am a little familiar with this as

Mr. Burr is way back in my family ancestory....

Dudley

Re: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS response to

Cheney incident

We have 2 sections of farmland south of Stratford(Pheasant Capital of Texas).

The first couple of days of pheasant season, I'll guarantee that a few hunters

will get peppered by shot. Usually not a big deal, ask Stratford EMS how many

times they have called a helicopter for a 'peppering'. I suppose since this is

the second VP who has shot somebody ( Hamilton was the first), the

press has to overblow it.

-MH

>>> ExLngHrn@... 2/16/2006 4:19 pm >>>

Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Anatomy of medical response to shooting

Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

February 16, 2006

In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting of

Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat the

injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and 5:50

p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in Kenedy

County.

" That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service spokesman

Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our people that

were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford, U.S.

ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed quail, and

Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second covey of

quail.

The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the air

ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to Christus

Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said HALO-Flight executive

director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital Kleberg in

Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel with

Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

" I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks that

were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the scene.

Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20 p.m.,

Zahren said.

" It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren said.

" It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50 p.m.,

Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical personnel

decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

" Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care or a

doctor preference, " Rowe said.

The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and landed at

the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington was awake

and talking during the flight, he said.

Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

powellj@...

February 17, 2006

Mike,

Lol, ya that's what I meant..I knew what I was talking about anyway..

> >

> > The bullet moving

> > into his coronary system happened well after he'd been in the

> > hospital and reported by the press as " stable and in good

condition " .

>

> For the record there was no bullet - only birdshot (which is much

smaller

> than buckshot). VERY different animals. IIRC, it was #8 shot -

very tiny.

> The trauma/kinetics are significantly different between the two

(or three).

>

> Mike

>

February 17, 2006

To what end? The hospital should have been able to establish that this was not

needed, and sent him by ground. Helicopters are not about creature comfort, and

the risks outweighed the benefit in this case.

Helo was a horrible call. I'd bet the rent-a-doc in the ER had some strange

notion that the helo was some miracle working machine.

STEVE BOWMAN wrote:

<SNIPPED> For the transfer to the higher-level facility, transport by air was

much faster and smoother for the patient.

E. Tate, LP

Whitehouse, Texas

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February 17, 2006

To what end? The hospital should have been able to establish that this was not

needed, and sent him by ground. Helicopters are not about creature comfort, and

the risks outweighed the benefit in this case.

Helo was a horrible call. I'd bet the rent-a-doc in the ER had some strange

notion that the helo was some miracle working machine.

STEVE BOWMAN wrote:

<SNIPPED> For the transfer to the higher-level facility, transport by air was

much faster and smoother for the patient.

E. Tate, LP

Whitehouse, Texas

What’s stopping you from joining EMSAT? http://www.TexasEMSAT.org

---------------------------------

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February 17, 2006

To what end? The hospital should have been able to establish that this was not

needed, and sent him by ground. Helicopters are not about creature comfort, and

the risks outweighed the benefit in this case.

Helo was a horrible call. I'd bet the rent-a-doc in the ER had some strange

notion that the helo was some miracle working machine.

STEVE BOWMAN wrote:

<SNIPPED> For the transfer to the higher-level facility, transport by air was

much faster and smoother for the patient.

E. Tate, LP

Whitehouse, Texas

What’s stopping you from joining EMSAT? http://www.TexasEMSAT.org

---------------------------------

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February 17, 2006

Jay Leno said Cheney should get an award............... for shooting a lawyer.

Sorry Gene, Wes, , and others....

That's funny right there, I don't care who ya are....

Tater

Hudson wrote:

We have 2 sections of farmland south of Stratford(Pheasant Capital of Texas).

The first couple of days of pheasant season, I'll guarantee that a few hunters

will get peppered by shot. Usually not a big deal, ask Stratford EMS how many

times they have called a helicopter for a 'peppering'. I suppose since this is

the second VP who has shot somebody ( Hamilton was the first), the

press has to overblow it.

-MH

>>> ExLngHrn@... 2/16/2006 4:19 pm >>>

Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Anatomy of medical response to shooting

Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

February 16, 2006

In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting of

Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat the

injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and 5:50

p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in Kenedy

County.

" That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service spokesman

Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our people that

were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford, U.S.

ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed quail, and

Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second covey of

quail.

The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the air

ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to Christus

Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said HALO-Flight executive

director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital Kleberg in

Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel with

Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

" I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks that

were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the scene.

Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20 p.m.,

Zahren said.

" It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren said.

" It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50 p.m.,

Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical personnel

decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

" Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care or a

doctor preference, " Rowe said.

The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and landed at

the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington was awake

and talking during the flight, he said.

Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

powellj@...

February 17, 2006

Jay Leno said Cheney should get an award............... for shooting a lawyer.

Sorry Gene, Wes, , and others....

That's funny right there, I don't care who ya are....

Tater

Hudson wrote:

We have 2 sections of farmland south of Stratford(Pheasant Capital of Texas).

The first couple of days of pheasant season, I'll guarantee that a few hunters

will get peppered by shot. Usually not a big deal, ask Stratford EMS how many

times they have called a helicopter for a 'peppering'. I suppose since this is

the second VP who has shot somebody ( Hamilton was the first), the

press has to overblow it.

-MH

>>> ExLngHrn@... 2/16/2006 4:19 pm >>>

Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Anatomy of medical response to shooting

Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

February 16, 2006

In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting of

Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat the

injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and 5:50

p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in Kenedy

County.

" That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service spokesman

Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our people that

were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford, U.S.

ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed quail, and

Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second covey of

quail.

The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the air

ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to Christus

Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said HALO-Flight executive

director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital Kleberg in

Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel with

Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

" I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks that

were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the scene.

Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20 p.m.,

Zahren said.

" It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren said.

" It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50 p.m.,

Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical personnel

decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

" Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care or a

doctor preference, " Rowe said.

The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and landed at

the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington was awake

and talking during the flight, he said.

Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

powellj@...

February 17, 2006

Jay Leno said Cheney should get an award............... for shooting a lawyer.

Sorry Gene, Wes, , and others....

That's funny right there, I don't care who ya are....

Tater

Hudson wrote:

We have 2 sections of farmland south of Stratford(Pheasant Capital of Texas).

The first couple of days of pheasant season, I'll guarantee that a few hunters

will get peppered by shot. Usually not a big deal, ask Stratford EMS how many

times they have called a helicopter for a 'peppering'. I suppose since this is

the second VP who has shot somebody ( Hamilton was the first), the

press has to overblow it.

-MH

>>> ExLngHrn@... 2/16/2006 4:19 pm >>>

Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Anatomy of medical response to shooting

Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

February 16, 2006

In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental shooting of

Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew scrambled to treat the

injured man while the Secret Service called for medical backup.

Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between 5:30 and 5:50

p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in Kenedy

County.

" That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret Service spokesman

Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's coming from our people that

were down there and the local agents from Mc. "

Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam Willeford, U.S.

ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to retrieve downed quail, and

Cheney accidentally sprayed him with birdshot while firing on a second covey of

quail.

The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m., putting the air

ambulance service on standby in case Whittington needed to be flown to Christus

Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's trauma center, said HALO-Flight executive

director Randy Rowe. Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital Kleberg in

Kingsville was notified that Whittington was en route.

Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision to take

Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel who travel with

Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

" I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical folks that

were there would have weighed more into that than our people on the scene.

Decisions were made on their advice at that point. "

Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about 6:20 p.m.,

Zahren said.

" It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, " Zahren said.

" It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the victim. "

The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and 6:50 p.m.,

Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg medical personnel

decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

" Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of care or a

doctor preference, " Rowe said.

The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m. and landed at

the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe said. Whittington was awake

and talking during the flight, he said.

Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

powellj@...

February 17, 2006

Steve,

How SURE are you? I just recently was in that region teaching, and I have

driven that road a number of times. It is flat and pretty straight. There

is a " back way " that the medics will know that cuts across the country and has

very little traffic. I'm betting that if the Poor Harry had been loaded into

the ambulance as soon as the transfer decision was made, he would have been

at the hospital in Corpus just as soon as the helo, if not sooner, not even

running Code 3.

So I don't buy the " much faster " statement.

Gene.

> I sincerely doubt it. Do the math; generally ground transport is faster

> for a short distance. What is the distance from Kingsville to Corpus Christi,

> 50 miles+/-? Ground would have been much faster and not any less

> comfortable.

>

> Tater

>

> STEVE BOWMAN wrote:

> The only thing that we can be SURE of is that the helicopter got him there

> much faster.

>

February 17, 2006

Steve,

How SURE are you? I just recently was in that region teaching, and I have

driven that road a number of times. It is flat and pretty straight. There

is a " back way " that the medics will know that cuts across the country and has

very little traffic. I'm betting that if the Poor Harry had been loaded into

the ambulance as soon as the transfer decision was made, he would have been

at the hospital in Corpus just as soon as the helo, if not sooner, not even

running Code 3.

So I don't buy the " much faster " statement.

Gene.

> I sincerely doubt it. Do the math; generally ground transport is faster

> for a short distance. What is the distance from Kingsville to Corpus Christi,

> 50 miles+/-? Ground would have been much faster and not any less

> comfortable.

>

> Tater

>

> STEVE BOWMAN wrote:

> The only thing that we can be SURE of is that the helicopter got him there

> much faster.

>

February 17, 2006

Steve,

How SURE are you? I just recently was in that region teaching, and I have

driven that road a number of times. It is flat and pretty straight. There

is a " back way " that the medics will know that cuts across the country and has

very little traffic. I'm betting that if the Poor Harry had been loaded into

the ambulance as soon as the transfer decision was made, he would have been

at the hospital in Corpus just as soon as the helo, if not sooner, not even

running Code 3.

So I don't buy the " much faster " statement.

Gene.

> I sincerely doubt it. Do the math; generally ground transport is faster

> for a short distance. What is the distance from Kingsville to Corpus Christi,

> 50 miles+/-? Ground would have been much faster and not any less

> comfortable.

>

> Tater

>

> STEVE BOWMAN wrote:

> The only thing that we can be SURE of is that the helicopter got him there

> much faster.

>

February 17, 2006

Tater,

What's up brother? I think Dave's top ten was the best

February 13, 2006

Top Ten Dick Cheney Excuses

10. " Heart palpitation caused trigger finger to spasm "

9. " Wanted to get the Iraq mess off the front page "

8. " Not enough Jim Beam "

7. " Trying to stop the spread of bird flu "

6. " I love to shoot people "

5. " Guy was making cracks about my lesbian daughter "

4. " I thought the guy was trying to go 'gay cowboy' on me "

3. " Excuse? I hit him, didn't I? "

2. " Until Democrats approve medicare reform, we have to make some

tough choices for the elderly "

1. " Made a bet with Gretzky's wife "

Danny

> We have 2 sections of farmland south of Stratford(Pheasant

Capital of Texas). The first couple of days of pheasant season, I'll

guarantee that a few hunters will get peppered by shot. Usually not

a big deal, ask Stratford EMS how many times they have called a

helicopter for a 'peppering'. I suppose since this is the second VP

who has shot somebody ( Hamilton was the first), the press

has to overblow it.

>

> -MH

>

> >>> ExLngHrn@... 2/16/2006 4:19 pm >>>

> Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

>

> -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> Austin, Texas

>

> Anatomy of medical response to shooting

> Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

> By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

> February 16, 2006

>

> In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental

shooting of Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew

scrambled to treat the injured man while the Secret Service called

for medical backup.

> Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between

5:30 and 5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre

Armstrong Ranch in Kenedy County.

> " That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret

Service spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's

coming from our people that were down there and the local agents from

Mc. "

> Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam

Willeford, U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to

retrieve downed quail, and Cheney accidentally sprayed him with

birdshot while firing on a second covey of quail.

> The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m.,

putting the air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington

needed to be flown to Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's

trauma center, said HALO-Flight executive director Randy Rowe.

Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital Kleberg in Kingsville was

notified that Whittington was en route.

> Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision

to take Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel

who travel with Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

> " I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical

folks that were there would have weighed more into that than our

people on the scene. Decisions were made on their advice at that

point. "

> Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about

6:20 p.m., Zahren said.

> " It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, "

Zahren said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the

victim. "

> The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and

6:50 p.m., Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

> HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg

medical personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

> " Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of

care or a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

> The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m.

and landed at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe

said. Whittington was awake and talking during the flight, he said.

> Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

powellj@...

>

February 17, 2006

Tater,

What's up brother? I think Dave's top ten was the best

February 13, 2006

Top Ten Dick Cheney Excuses

10. " Heart palpitation caused trigger finger to spasm "

9. " Wanted to get the Iraq mess off the front page "

8. " Not enough Jim Beam "

7. " Trying to stop the spread of bird flu "

6. " I love to shoot people "

5. " Guy was making cracks about my lesbian daughter "

4. " I thought the guy was trying to go 'gay cowboy' on me "

3. " Excuse? I hit him, didn't I? "

2. " Until Democrats approve medicare reform, we have to make some

tough choices for the elderly "

1. " Made a bet with Gretzky's wife "

Danny

> We have 2 sections of farmland south of Stratford(Pheasant

Capital of Texas). The first couple of days of pheasant season, I'll

guarantee that a few hunters will get peppered by shot. Usually not

a big deal, ask Stratford EMS how many times they have called a

helicopter for a 'peppering'. I suppose since this is the second VP

who has shot somebody ( Hamilton was the first), the press

has to overblow it.

>

> -MH

>

> >>> ExLngHrn@... 2/16/2006 4:19 pm >>>

> Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

>

> -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> Austin, Texas

>

> Anatomy of medical response to shooting

> Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

> By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

> February 16, 2006

>

> In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental

shooting of Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew

scrambled to treat the injured man while the Secret Service called

for medical backup.

> Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between

5:30 and 5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre

Armstrong Ranch in Kenedy County.

> " That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret

Service spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's

coming from our people that were down there and the local agents from

Mc. "

> Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam

Willeford, U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to

retrieve downed quail, and Cheney accidentally sprayed him with

birdshot while firing on a second covey of quail.

> The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m.,

putting the air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington

needed to be flown to Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's

trauma center, said HALO-Flight executive director Randy Rowe.

Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital Kleberg in Kingsville was

notified that Whittington was en route.

> Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision

to take Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel

who travel with Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

> " I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical

folks that were there would have weighed more into that than our

people on the scene. Decisions were made on their advice at that

point. "

> Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about

6:20 p.m., Zahren said.

> " It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, "

Zahren said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the

victim. "

> The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and

6:50 p.m., Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

> HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg

medical personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

> " Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of

care or a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

> The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m.

and landed at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe

said. Whittington was awake and talking during the flight, he said.

> Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

powellj@...

>

February 17, 2006

Tater,

What's up brother? I think Dave's top ten was the best

February 13, 2006

Top Ten Dick Cheney Excuses

10. " Heart palpitation caused trigger finger to spasm "

9. " Wanted to get the Iraq mess off the front page "

8. " Not enough Jim Beam "

7. " Trying to stop the spread of bird flu "

6. " I love to shoot people "

5. " Guy was making cracks about my lesbian daughter "

4. " I thought the guy was trying to go 'gay cowboy' on me "

3. " Excuse? I hit him, didn't I? "

2. " Until Democrats approve medicare reform, we have to make some

tough choices for the elderly "

1. " Made a bet with Gretzky's wife "

Danny

> We have 2 sections of farmland south of Stratford(Pheasant

Capital of Texas). The first couple of days of pheasant season, I'll

guarantee that a few hunters will get peppered by shot. Usually not

a big deal, ask Stratford EMS how many times they have called a

helicopter for a 'peppering'. I suppose since this is the second VP

who has shot somebody ( Hamilton was the first), the press

has to overblow it.

>

> -MH

>

> >>> ExLngHrn@... 2/16/2006 4:19 pm >>>

> Comments on the aeromedical aspect?

>

> -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> Austin, Texas

>

> Anatomy of medical response to shooting

> Secret Service alerts an air ambulance at 6 p.m. initially

> By Corpus Christi Caller-Times

> February 16, 2006

>

> In the minutes following Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental

shooting of Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, Cheney's medical crew

scrambled to treat the injured man while the Secret Service called

for medical backup.

> Whittington, 78, was struck on the face, neck and chest between

5:30 and 5:50 p.m. Saturday while quail hunting at the 50,000-acre

Armstrong Ranch in Kenedy County.

> " That's approximate from the information we have got, " Secret

Service spokesman Zahren said of the accident's time. " That's

coming from our people that were down there and the local agents from

Mc. "

> Whittington had stepped away from Cheney and fellow hunter Pam

Willeford, U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, to

retrieve downed quail, and Cheney accidentally sprayed him with

birdshot while firing on a second covey of quail.

> The Secret Service notified HALO-Flight dispatch about 6 p.m.,

putting the air ambulance service on standby in case Whittington

needed to be flown to Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial, the area's

trauma center, said HALO-Flight executive director Randy Rowe.

Minutes later, Christus Spohn Hospital Kleberg in Kingsville was

notified that Whittington was en route.

> Both Cheney's office and the Secret Service have said the decision

to take Whittington to Kingsville first was made by medical personnel

who travel with Cheney, who has a history of heart problems.

> " I can't comment to why he wasn't flown, " Zahren said. " The medical

folks that were there would have weighed more into that than our

people on the scene. Decisions were made on their advice at that

point. "

> Whittington was taken by ambulance to the Kingsville hospital about

6:20 p.m., Zahren said.

> " It was an ambulance on standby for the vice president's visit, "

Zahren said. " It had been dedicated and it was given up to treat the

victim. "

> The ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital between 6:45 and

6:50 p.m., Christus Spohn spokeswoman Wheeler said.

> HALO-Flight was called again at 7:07 p.m. after Spohn Kleberg

medical personnel decided Whittington needed more advanced treatment.

> " Typically, why we get calls for transfers is for a higher level of

care or a doctor preference, " Rowe said.

> The air ambulance arrived at the Kingsville hospital at 7:29 p.m.

and landed at the Corpus Christi trauma center at 8:19 p.m., Rowe

said. Whittington was awake and talking during the flight, he said.

> Contact at 886-3716 or HYPERLINK mailto:powellj@...

powellj@...

>

February 17, 2006

" the risks outweighed the benefit in this case " - and you know this because?

The doctor(s) in the ER at the hospital in Kingsville made the call to fly him

(according to the newspaper article). What criteria they used in making their

decision was not stated; however, good medical practice would normally dictate

that such a decision be made in the manner that is of most benefit to the

patient. Since we don't know the qualifications of the physician(s) involved or

the criteria they applied, second-guessing them is dangerous.

The only thing that we can be SURE of is that the helicopter got him there

much faster. The comment about " smoother " that I made before was based on a

fair amount of time spent in the back of both helicopters and ambulances - the

latter as both patient and crew. Even on a reasonably smooth road, it's not a

fun ride in teh back of an ambulance. You feel every bump, sway, turn, etc.

The major movement in the back of a heklicopter in good weather is vibration (a

fair amount of that, I admit). If I were the patient, I would rather fly,

thank you - especially when the choices are flying for 30-40 minutes or driving

for 2-3 hours. . .

" E. Tate " wrote:

To what end? The hospital should have been able to establish that this was not

needed, and sent him by ground. Helicopters are not about creature comfort, and

the risks outweighed the benefit in this case.

Helo was a horrible call. I'd bet the rent-a-doc in the ER had some strange

notion that the helo was some miracle working machine.

STEVE BOWMAN wrote:

For the transfer to the higher-level facility, transport by air was much faster

and smoother for the patient.

E. Tate, LP

Whitehouse, Texas

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