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Welcome to the group...even though I'm not very active. I'm pretty

much in your situation in that I just found out that I can't get my

teeth straightened by an orth unless I get the surgery to correct my

underbite. What is and open bite? is that where you bite down and

there's a gap between your upper and lower teeth in the front? I

don't know if the pics should scare you cuz it's a temporary thing.

The pics don't scare me at all in terms of the appearance cuz I know

it's temporary, but the potential for depression because of the

discomfort and inability to eat real food scares me. The cost, too,

scares me, and probably won't be able to have the surgery if

insurance doesn't pick up a significant portion of it, and may just

have to suffer the consequences later in life from a bad underbite

and crooked teeth. I'm already 38, and if I can't afford it now, by

the time I could I'd probably be too old for it to be worth it.

I think reading other posts and talking with your surgeon you'll come

up with questions. What did he say, by the way? If you don't mind,

what kind of cost was he talking about? I have an appt with and

surgeon July 3.

> Hi Everyone. I am new to the group, found it thru a search engine.

I

> am 24 and last week met with an Oral surgeon thru the

recommendation

> of my boss, an orthodontist. I have an open bite, have for years,

> even though i already went thru the braces routine. The pictures i

> have seen, as well as the cost of surgery has sent me into shock

> mode! Although the surgeon has discussed a discount of some amount,

i

> haven't gotten that far with him yet. I am to have an MRI this

friday

> so he can get an idea of how bad damage is to my jaw.

>

> I dont even know what questions to ask and feel very overwhelmed by

> the whole thing. HELP!

> I've read some of your posts here and am just not sure where to

> start.

> Thanks for any input.

>

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Sleemie:

Your right with your guess regarding my specific problem. My teeth

wont meet when i try to bite. Actually only 2 of my teeth (on each

side) actually meet when i bite but they are also crooked. I'm just

starting to sort thru all the postings and did find one from

another " new to group " that gave ALOT of questions and such to ask

your surgeon.

My first appt. last week cost me $170 (!!!) and no one told me there

would be charge for that first appointment. So i recommend you check

with yours if this will be your first consult. My dr. has yet to give

me any prices as he said he needs to see my MRI first, which i will

have done this friday. My insurance covers 100% of the MRI (i called

today to check, the dr. didn't do that for me) and said they'd cover

70% of my surgery, which is pretty good coverage. I dont know that i

can even cover the balance but for now i'm just going one step at a

time. My dr. said if i dont get the surgery i could loose alot of my

teeth over the next 20 years due to the way my bite is.

Whoa! That's not scarey at all huh? I'll let you know of any prices i

get once i start to get that far, if i get that far. Still undecided

how much i want to do or can afford to do for now.

Thanks for your input though.

> > Hi Everyone. I am new to the group, found it thru a search

engine.

> I

> > am 24 and last week met with an Oral surgeon thru the

> recommendation

> > of my boss, an orthodontist. I have an open bite, have for years,

> > even though i already went thru the braces routine. The pictures

i

> > have seen, as well as the cost of surgery has sent me into shock

> > mode! Although the surgeon has discussed a discount of some

amount,

> i

> > haven't gotten that far with him yet. I am to have an MRI this

> friday

> > so he can get an idea of how bad damage is to my jaw.

> >

> > I dont even know what questions to ask and feel very overwhelmed

by

> > the whole thing. HELP!

> > I've read some of your posts here and am just not sure where to

> > start.

> > Thanks for any input.

> >

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Sleemie:

Your right with your guess regarding my specific problem. My teeth

wont meet when i try to bite. Actually only 2 of my teeth (on each

side) actually meet when i bite but they are also crooked. I'm just

starting to sort thru all the postings and did find one from

another " new to group " that gave ALOT of questions and such to ask

your surgeon.

My first appt. last week cost me $170 (!!!) and no one told me there

would be charge for that first appointment. So i recommend you check

with yours if this will be your first consult. My dr. has yet to give

me any prices as he said he needs to see my MRI first, which i will

have done this friday. My insurance covers 100% of the MRI (i called

today to check, the dr. didn't do that for me) and said they'd cover

70% of my surgery, which is pretty good coverage. I dont know that i

can even cover the balance but for now i'm just going one step at a

time. My dr. said if i dont get the surgery i could loose alot of my

teeth over the next 20 years due to the way my bite is.

Whoa! That's not scarey at all huh? I'll let you know of any prices i

get once i start to get that far, if i get that far. Still undecided

how much i want to do or can afford to do for now.

Thanks for your input though.

> > Hi Everyone. I am new to the group, found it thru a search

engine.

> I

> > am 24 and last week met with an Oral surgeon thru the

> recommendation

> > of my boss, an orthodontist. I have an open bite, have for years,

> > even though i already went thru the braces routine. The pictures

i

> > have seen, as well as the cost of surgery has sent me into shock

> > mode! Although the surgeon has discussed a discount of some

amount,

> i

> > haven't gotten that far with him yet. I am to have an MRI this

> friday

> > so he can get an idea of how bad damage is to my jaw.

> >

> > I dont even know what questions to ask and feel very overwhelmed

by

> > the whole thing. HELP!

> > I've read some of your posts here and am just not sure where to

> > start.

> > Thanks for any input.

> >

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Sleemie:

Your right with your guess regarding my specific problem. My teeth

wont meet when i try to bite. Actually only 2 of my teeth (on each

side) actually meet when i bite but they are also crooked. I'm just

starting to sort thru all the postings and did find one from

another " new to group " that gave ALOT of questions and such to ask

your surgeon.

My first appt. last week cost me $170 (!!!) and no one told me there

would be charge for that first appointment. So i recommend you check

with yours if this will be your first consult. My dr. has yet to give

me any prices as he said he needs to see my MRI first, which i will

have done this friday. My insurance covers 100% of the MRI (i called

today to check, the dr. didn't do that for me) and said they'd cover

70% of my surgery, which is pretty good coverage. I dont know that i

can even cover the balance but for now i'm just going one step at a

time. My dr. said if i dont get the surgery i could loose alot of my

teeth over the next 20 years due to the way my bite is.

Whoa! That's not scarey at all huh? I'll let you know of any prices i

get once i start to get that far, if i get that far. Still undecided

how much i want to do or can afford to do for now.

Thanks for your input though.

> > Hi Everyone. I am new to the group, found it thru a search

engine.

> I

> > am 24 and last week met with an Oral surgeon thru the

> recommendation

> > of my boss, an orthodontist. I have an open bite, have for years,

> > even though i already went thru the braces routine. The pictures

i

> > have seen, as well as the cost of surgery has sent me into shock

> > mode! Although the surgeon has discussed a discount of some

amount,

> i

> > haven't gotten that far with him yet. I am to have an MRI this

> friday

> > so he can get an idea of how bad damage is to my jaw.

> >

> > I dont even know what questions to ask and feel very overwhelmed

by

> > the whole thing. HELP!

> > I've read some of your posts here and am just not sure where to

> > start.

> > Thanks for any input.

> >

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Here's another site for you:

http://www.geocities.com/orthognathicinfo/

Welcome. And yes, the surgery comes with sticker shock. The good news

is that sometimes it is covered by your medical insurance -- not

dental, but medical.

I guess you know what ortho you're gonna use!

Ask the surgeon how long he thinks it will take you to get ready for

the surgery; how many of these procedures he's done; how often he

does them; whether he ever has relapses, and if so, how many; what

you can expect in long-term retention; exactly what procedures he

recommends; whether he wires or splints or both, post op; how long

his patients typically take to recover; what his fees are; whether he

has partners who assist him; whether he makes his own cuts, or shares

that duty with his assistant; how long he thinks the procedure will

take; where he does it, and how well the nurses there are prepared to

deal with orthognathic surgery patients; whether he asks for

autologous blood donations; whether he usually needs transfusion(s);

How long you'll be in the hospital; and whatever else you think you

want to know.

Your boss can also help you, I'll bet, with any questions that arise.

If it's any comfort to you, I don't know anybody who has been through

this who didn't start out frightened and overwhelmed. Truly, the

worst part of this surgery is the anticipation. The actual surgery

generally tends to be not so bad as the expectation. You may have

numbness post-op (ask the surgeon what he expects), but most people

do not have much pain. You may have extensive swelling and weakness,

however.

I think most people are well pleased with their results, especially

looking back at having done. I hope that you will, too, however you

decide to go at it.

Cammie

> Hi Everyone. I am new to the group, found it thru a search engine.

I

> am 24 and last week met with an Oral surgeon thru the

recommendation

> of my boss, an orthodontist. I have an open bite, have for years,

> even though i already went thru the braces routine. The pictures i

> have seen, as well as the cost of surgery has sent me into shock

> mode! Although the surgeon has discussed a discount of some amount,

i

> haven't gotten that far with him yet. I am to have an MRI this

friday

> so he can get an idea of how bad damage is to my jaw.

>

> I dont even know what questions to ask and feel very overwhelmed by

> the whole thing. HELP!

> I've read some of your posts here and am just not sure where to

> start.

> Thanks for any input.

>

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Post op hair loss is normal and temporary. It is because of the fast weight

loss. The key word is TEMPORARY. Your hair gets thin not totally falls out.

Colleen

new to group

Hello, I have just recently joined your group.I have just returned

from my orentation at Brigham and Women's hospital in Boston.I'm

wondering if anyone has had experience with this facility. The staff

seemed great, but I would still prefer a couple of personal

references. Also, can anyone elaborate on the post-op hair-loss. Do

you actually loose all of it? How about the incisions with the lap

vs. the open. I have tried to find photos but haven't been successful.

Thanks very much,

Sherri

North of Boston

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Post op hair loss is normal and temporary. It is because of the fast weight

loss. The key word is TEMPORARY. Your hair gets thin not totally falls out.

Colleen

new to group

Hello, I have just recently joined your group.I have just returned

from my orentation at Brigham and Women's hospital in Boston.I'm

wondering if anyone has had experience with this facility. The staff

seemed great, but I would still prefer a couple of personal

references. Also, can anyone elaborate on the post-op hair-loss. Do

you actually loose all of it? How about the incisions with the lap

vs. the open. I have tried to find photos but haven't been successful.

Thanks very much,

Sherri

North of Boston

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Post op hair loss is normal and temporary. It is because of the fast weight

loss. The key word is TEMPORARY. Your hair gets thin not totally falls out.

Colleen

new to group

Hello, I have just recently joined your group.I have just returned

from my orentation at Brigham and Women's hospital in Boston.I'm

wondering if anyone has had experience with this facility. The staff

seemed great, but I would still prefer a couple of personal

references. Also, can anyone elaborate on the post-op hair-loss. Do

you actually loose all of it? How about the incisions with the lap

vs. the open. I have tried to find photos but haven't been successful.

Thanks very much,

Sherri

North of Boston

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I had open RNY. My scar starts from my breast bone and is about 6 inches long.

I had no staples or stitches on my incision. My Dr uses the new 'glue' and it

looks beautiful. Hardly a scar at all. It truly looks like a plastic surgery

did my surgery. I did not have lap so I can't answer from experience but have

talked to people who stated they where in more pain because the 4 little cuts go

thru muscle. But their scars are a lot smaller. Maybe we can hear from some

laps. I was not in pain after surgery. I am a chicken when it comes to pain

but I never used the morphine drip in hospital or pain meds when I came home.

You need to ask your dr. how he cuts because every dr is different. Mine showed

me on an office visit how he would be making the incision.

I hope this answers your question

Colleen

new to group

Hello, I have just recently joined your group.I have just returned

from my orentation at Brigham and Women's hospital in Boston.I'm

wondering if anyone has had experience with this facility. The staff

seemed great, but I would still prefer a couple of personal

references. Also, can anyone elaborate on the post-op hair-loss. Do

you actually loose all of it? How about the incisions with the lap

vs. the open. I have tried to find photos but haven't been successful.

Thanks very much,

Sherri

North of Boston

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I had open RNY. My scar starts from my breast bone and is about 6 inches long.

I had no staples or stitches on my incision. My Dr uses the new 'glue' and it

looks beautiful. Hardly a scar at all. It truly looks like a plastic surgery

did my surgery. I did not have lap so I can't answer from experience but have

talked to people who stated they where in more pain because the 4 little cuts go

thru muscle. But their scars are a lot smaller. Maybe we can hear from some

laps. I was not in pain after surgery. I am a chicken when it comes to pain

but I never used the morphine drip in hospital or pain meds when I came home.

You need to ask your dr. how he cuts because every dr is different. Mine showed

me on an office visit how he would be making the incision.

I hope this answers your question

Colleen

new to group

Hello, I have just recently joined your group.I have just returned

from my orentation at Brigham and Women's hospital in Boston.I'm

wondering if anyone has had experience with this facility. The staff

seemed great, but I would still prefer a couple of personal

references. Also, can anyone elaborate on the post-op hair-loss. Do

you actually loose all of it? How about the incisions with the lap

vs. the open. I have tried to find photos but haven't been successful.

Thanks very much,

Sherri

North of Boston

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I had open RNY. My scar starts from my breast bone and is about 6 inches long.

I had no staples or stitches on my incision. My Dr uses the new 'glue' and it

looks beautiful. Hardly a scar at all. It truly looks like a plastic surgery

did my surgery. I did not have lap so I can't answer from experience but have

talked to people who stated they where in more pain because the 4 little cuts go

thru muscle. But their scars are a lot smaller. Maybe we can hear from some

laps. I was not in pain after surgery. I am a chicken when it comes to pain

but I never used the morphine drip in hospital or pain meds when I came home.

You need to ask your dr. how he cuts because every dr is different. Mine showed

me on an office visit how he would be making the incision.

I hope this answers your question

Colleen

new to group

Hello, I have just recently joined your group.I have just returned

from my orentation at Brigham and Women's hospital in Boston.I'm

wondering if anyone has had experience with this facility. The staff

seemed great, but I would still prefer a couple of personal

references. Also, can anyone elaborate on the post-op hair-loss. Do

you actually loose all of it? How about the incisions with the lap

vs. the open. I have tried to find photos but haven't been successful.

Thanks very much,

Sherri

North of Boston

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I am also new to the group. I had LAP and a hernia repair on 1/15/04. I am so

glad to have found your web site. It has been so-o-o-o-o-o-o helpful. Just

about everything that I have experienced has been discussed. I am on 1 oz. of

protein 3X's a day, 1 Flinstone vit. and a Tums per day. I'm investigating

taking more supplements. So I found some subligual B12 and some protein shakes

that I like if they're watered down. Three weeks after my first surgery, I

had to have an open hernia repair on a repair that I'd had done about 3 years

ago. I had alot of pain and it took a long time to get going with exercising and

such, but I'm AOK now and glad I was able to have this done because I would

have quit probably a month after I started! I'm 48, a nurse, own a personal

care home, and have a great husband of 14 years who supports me at all times. I

am very lucky. We went to the grocery store this AM and I said to him,did you

notice how I can fly around the store now? He said yep and without huffing

and puffing! I suffer from asthma, diabetes(which has been resolved) high

cholo. But I'm doing just fine now. Enough rambling.

POWER TO THE LOSERS.

268/228/?

1/15/04

Dr. Elias

PA

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I am also new to the group. I had LAP and a hernia repair on 1/15/04. I am so

glad to have found your web site. It has been so-o-o-o-o-o-o helpful. Just

about everything that I have experienced has been discussed. I am on 1 oz. of

protein 3X's a day, 1 Flinstone vit. and a Tums per day. I'm investigating

taking more supplements. So I found some subligual B12 and some protein shakes

that I like if they're watered down. Three weeks after my first surgery, I

had to have an open hernia repair on a repair that I'd had done about 3 years

ago. I had alot of pain and it took a long time to get going with exercising and

such, but I'm AOK now and glad I was able to have this done because I would

have quit probably a month after I started! I'm 48, a nurse, own a personal

care home, and have a great husband of 14 years who supports me at all times. I

am very lucky. We went to the grocery store this AM and I said to him,did you

notice how I can fly around the store now? He said yep and without huffing

and puffing! I suffer from asthma, diabetes(which has been resolved) high

cholo. But I'm doing just fine now. Enough rambling.

POWER TO THE LOSERS.

268/228/?

1/15/04

Dr. Elias

PA

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welcome aboard, sherri. think i have 5 incisions, pretty much faded

except for the bellybutton one. oddly enough, i almost hope the scars

never fade, they're a reminder of my sacrifice.

lori h.

23 grateful months post-op

> Hello, I have just recently joined your group.I have just returned

> from my orentation at Brigham and Women's hospital in Boston.I'm

> wondering if anyone has had experience with this facility. The staff

> seemed great, but I would still prefer a couple of personal

> references. Also, can anyone elaborate on the post-op hair-loss. Do

> you actually loose all of it? How about the incisions with the lap

> vs. the open. I have tried to find photos but haven't been successful.

> Thanks very much,

> Sherri

> North of Boston

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welcome aboard, sherri. think i have 5 incisions, pretty much faded

except for the bellybutton one. oddly enough, i almost hope the scars

never fade, they're a reminder of my sacrifice.

lori h.

23 grateful months post-op

> Hello, I have just recently joined your group.I have just returned

> from my orentation at Brigham and Women's hospital in Boston.I'm

> wondering if anyone has had experience with this facility. The staff

> seemed great, but I would still prefer a couple of personal

> references. Also, can anyone elaborate on the post-op hair-loss. Do

> you actually loose all of it? How about the incisions with the lap

> vs. the open. I have tried to find photos but haven't been successful.

> Thanks very much,

> Sherri

> North of Boston

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welcome aboard, sherri. think i have 5 incisions, pretty much faded

except for the bellybutton one. oddly enough, i almost hope the scars

never fade, they're a reminder of my sacrifice.

lori h.

23 grateful months post-op

> Hello, I have just recently joined your group.I have just returned

> from my orentation at Brigham and Women's hospital in Boston.I'm

> wondering if anyone has had experience with this facility. The staff

> seemed great, but I would still prefer a couple of personal

> references. Also, can anyone elaborate on the post-op hair-loss. Do

> you actually loose all of it? How about the incisions with the lap

> vs. the open. I have tried to find photos but haven't been successful.

> Thanks very much,

> Sherri

> North of Boston

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welcome dearie255. wtg on the 40 lbs!

lori h.

> I am also new to the group. I had LAP and a hernia repair on

1/15/04. I am so

> glad to have found your web site. It has been so-o-o-o-o-o-o

helpful. Just

> about everything that I have experienced has been discussed. I am

on 1 oz. of

> protein 3X's a day, 1 Flinstone vit. and a Tums per day. I'm

investigating

> taking more supplements. So I found some subligual B12 and some

protein shakes

> that I like if they're watered down. Three weeks after my first

surgery, I

> had to have an open hernia repair on a repair that I'd had done

about 3 years

> ago. I had alot of pain and it took a long time to get going with

exercising and

> such, but I'm AOK now and glad I was able to have this done because

I would

> have quit probably a month after I started! I'm 48, a nurse, own a

personal

> care home, and have a great husband of 14 years who supports me at

all times. I

> am very lucky. We went to the grocery store this AM and I said to

him,did you

> notice how I can fly around the store now? He said yep and without

huffing

> and puffing! I suffer from asthma, diabetes(which has been

resolved) high

> cholo. But I'm doing just fine now. Enough rambling.

> POWER TO THE LOSERS.

> 268/228/?

> 1/15/04

> Dr. Elias

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Sherri,

I had my surgery at Beth Israel, my surgeon was Dr. Forse who went to Boston

Medical Center after my surgery. I believe that some of the people who handle

the GBP surgery may have worked with Dr. Forse at one time or another. Being in

Boston, having your surgery is one of the better places to be.

I suffered hair-loss but it was due to the loss of the protein that was severely

reduced to the surgery. Your surgeon or even your PCP could recommend a

dermatologist to determine your loss. I did not lose all of it.

I have the rows of staples and my incision runs from just below my breasts to

above my belly button. 10 days after the surgery I had the staples removed and

could drive after that but I lost 12 weeks from work but some of that was my

fault.

I am in Haverhill, where are you?

Patty Spakoski

new to group

Hello, I have just recently joined your group.I have just returned

from my orentation at Brigham and Women's hospital in Boston.I'm

wondering if anyone has had experience with this facility. The staff

seemed great, but I would still prefer a couple of personal

references. Also, can anyone elaborate on the post-op hair-loss. Do

you actually loose all of it? How about the incisions with the lap

vs. the open. I have tried to find photos but haven't been successful.

Thanks very much,

Sherri

North of Boston

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Sherri,

I had my surgery at Beth Israel, my surgeon was Dr. Forse who went to Boston

Medical Center after my surgery. I believe that some of the people who handle

the GBP surgery may have worked with Dr. Forse at one time or another. Being in

Boston, having your surgery is one of the better places to be.

I suffered hair-loss but it was due to the loss of the protein that was severely

reduced to the surgery. Your surgeon or even your PCP could recommend a

dermatologist to determine your loss. I did not lose all of it.

I have the rows of staples and my incision runs from just below my breasts to

above my belly button. 10 days after the surgery I had the staples removed and

could drive after that but I lost 12 weeks from work but some of that was my

fault.

I am in Haverhill, where are you?

Patty Spakoski

new to group

Hello, I have just recently joined your group.I have just returned

from my orentation at Brigham and Women's hospital in Boston.I'm

wondering if anyone has had experience with this facility. The staff

seemed great, but I would still prefer a couple of personal

references. Also, can anyone elaborate on the post-op hair-loss. Do

you actually loose all of it? How about the incisions with the lap

vs. the open. I have tried to find photos but haven't been successful.

Thanks very much,

Sherri

North of Boston

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Sherri,

I had my surgery at Beth Israel, my surgeon was Dr. Forse who went to Boston

Medical Center after my surgery. I believe that some of the people who handle

the GBP surgery may have worked with Dr. Forse at one time or another. Being in

Boston, having your surgery is one of the better places to be.

I suffered hair-loss but it was due to the loss of the protein that was severely

reduced to the surgery. Your surgeon or even your PCP could recommend a

dermatologist to determine your loss. I did not lose all of it.

I have the rows of staples and my incision runs from just below my breasts to

above my belly button. 10 days after the surgery I had the staples removed and

could drive after that but I lost 12 weeks from work but some of that was my

fault.

I am in Haverhill, where are you?

Patty Spakoski

new to group

Hello, I have just recently joined your group.I have just returned

from my orentation at Brigham and Women's hospital in Boston.I'm

wondering if anyone has had experience with this facility. The staff

seemed great, but I would still prefer a couple of personal

references. Also, can anyone elaborate on the post-op hair-loss. Do

you actually loose all of it? How about the incisions with the lap

vs. the open. I have tried to find photos but haven't been successful.

Thanks very much,

Sherri

North of Boston

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HI Sherri!!! Welcome to the group!!!!! I had the lap in Sept, of 2003-am down

145 lbs, so far! Looking forward to your posts!!! sherri in pa.

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welcome aboard, sherri. think i have 5 incisions, pretty much faded

except for the bellybutton one. oddly enough, i almost hope the scars

never fade, they're a reminder of my sacrifice.

lori h.

23 grateful months post-op

> Hello, I have just recently joined your group.I have just returned

> from my orentation at Brigham and Women's hospital in Boston.I'm

> wondering if anyone has had experience with this facility. The staff

> seemed great, but I would still prefer a couple of personal

> references. Also, can anyone elaborate on the post-op hair-loss. Do

> you actually loose all of it? How about the incisions with the lap

> vs. the open. I have tried to find photos but haven't been successful.

> Thanks very much,

> Sherri

> North of Boston

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HI Sherri!!! Welcome to the group!!!!! I had the lap in Sept, of 2003-am down

145 lbs, so far! Looking forward to your posts!!! sherri in pa.

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welcome aboard, sherri. think i have 5 incisions, pretty much faded

except for the bellybutton one. oddly enough, i almost hope the scars

never fade, they're a reminder of my sacrifice.

lori h.

23 grateful months post-op

> Hello, I have just recently joined your group.I have just returned

> from my orentation at Brigham and Women's hospital in Boston.I'm

> wondering if anyone has had experience with this facility. The staff

> seemed great, but I would still prefer a couple of personal

> references. Also, can anyone elaborate on the post-op hair-loss. Do

> you actually loose all of it? How about the incisions with the lap

> vs. the open. I have tried to find photos but haven't been successful.

> Thanks very much,

> Sherri

> North of Boston

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