Re: Fascinating study on Cluster B pds RE psychopathy

[Guest guest]

You're correct: the current edition, the DSM-IV, uses the term " antisocial pd. "

Earlier editions used the terms " psychopathic pd " and later " sociopathic pd "

somewhat interchangeably.

The confusion comes in (this is my interpretation from reading about this) when

the APA were working on edition #4 of the DSM, they removed some of the criteria

defining " sociopathic pd " , AND changed the term to " antisocial pd. "

Dr. Hare, an expert psychiatrist and researcher specializing in the criminally

insane, didn't agree with the reduction of criteria, and developed a protocol

called the Hare Psychopathy Checklist. His list of criteria is more like the

DSM-III criteria, and is based on Hervey Cleckley's original definitions and

descriptions of psychopathy/sociopathy in his book " The Mask of Sanity. "

Dr. Hare's criteria and checklist are now considered to be the " gold standard "

for diagnosing psychopathy among forensic communities (incarcerated criminals)

and Dr. Hare believes that psychopathy should have its own, separate

classification because its sort of... beyond antisocial criteria. Psychopathy

has more features than antisocial pd, I think is his reason.

As far as I know, at this point, though, the DSM is not going to have a separate

listing for psychopathy in edition #5. But I'm not positive about that.

-Annie

>

> >

> >

> > Below is the link to an article that references a scholarly article

> > promoting the idea that the Cluster B personality disorders are more related

> > to psychopathy than previously considered.

> >

> > I personally find this fascinating because I've noted that my own mother

> > seems to evidence traits and behaviors of all the Cluster B disorders from

> > time to time, and I've noted there is more than just a little overlap

> > between the diagnostic traits and behaviors of the Cluster B group, AND that

> > these traits and behaviors overlap with the diagnostic criteria of

> > psychopathy.

> >

> > Here's the article at LoveFraud that mentions the earlier article:

> >

> >

http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2009/02/06/sociopaths-cluster-b-personality-disord\

ers-and-psychopathy/

> >

> > A PDF of the root article itself is not available unless you are a

> > subscriber to " Behavioral Sciences & The Law " publication, and I haven't

> > been able to locate it independently online yet. But here's the info about

> > it:

> >

> > " The relationship between DSM-IV cluster B personality disorders and

> > psychopathy according to Hare's criteria: clarification and resolution of

> > previous contradictions " (pages 901†" 911)

> >

> > Christian Huchzermeier, Friedemann Geiger, Emelie Bruß, Nils Godt, Denis

> > Köhler, Günter Hinrichs and f B. Aldenhoff

> >

> > Article first published online: 23 FEB 2007 | DOI: 10.1002/bsl.722

> >

> > I personally find this fascinating because I've been posting for years RE

> > my wondering if the Cluster B personality disorders could be considered

> > " psychopathy lite " ?

> >

> > It seems my question occurred to some legitimate psychiatric researchers as

> > well.

> >

> > -Annie

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You're correct: the current edition, the DSM-IV, uses the term " antisocial pd. "

Earlier editions used the terms " psychopathic pd " and later " sociopathic pd "

somewhat interchangeably.

The confusion comes in (this is my interpretation from reading about this) when

the APA were working on edition #4 of the DSM, they removed some of the criteria

defining " sociopathic pd " , AND changed the term to " antisocial pd. "

Dr. Hare, an expert psychiatrist and researcher specializing in the criminally

insane, didn't agree with the reduction of criteria, and developed a protocol

called the Hare Psychopathy Checklist. His list of criteria is more like the

DSM-III criteria, and is based on Hervey Cleckley's original definitions and

descriptions of psychopathy/sociopathy in his book " The Mask of Sanity. "

Dr. Hare's criteria and checklist are now considered to be the " gold standard "

for diagnosing psychopathy among forensic communities (incarcerated criminals)

and Dr. Hare believes that psychopathy should have its own, separate

classification because its sort of... beyond antisocial criteria. Psychopathy

has more features than antisocial pd, I think is his reason.

As far as I know, at this point, though, the DSM is not going to have a separate

listing for psychopathy in edition #5. But I'm not positive about that.

-Annie

>

> >

> >

> > Below is the link to an article that references a scholarly article

> > promoting the idea that the Cluster B personality disorders are more related

> > to psychopathy than previously considered.

> >

> > I personally find this fascinating because I've noted that my own mother

> > seems to evidence traits and behaviors of all the Cluster B disorders from

> > time to time, and I've noted there is more than just a little overlap

> > between the diagnostic traits and behaviors of the Cluster B group, AND that

> > these traits and behaviors overlap with the diagnostic criteria of

> > psychopathy.

> >

> > Here's the article at LoveFraud that mentions the earlier article:

> >

> >

http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2009/02/06/sociopaths-cluster-b-personality-disord\

ers-and-psychopathy/

> >

> > A PDF of the root article itself is not available unless you are a

> > subscriber to " Behavioral Sciences & The Law " publication, and I haven't

> > been able to locate it independently online yet. But here's the info about

> > it:

> >

> > " The relationship between DSM-IV cluster B personality disorders and

> > psychopathy according to Hare's criteria: clarification and resolution of

> > previous contradictions " (pages 901†" 911)

> >

> > Christian Huchzermeier, Friedemann Geiger, Emelie Bruß, Nils Godt, Denis

> > Köhler, Günter Hinrichs and f B. Aldenhoff

> >

> > Article first published online: 23 FEB 2007 | DOI: 10.1002/bsl.722

> >

> > I personally find this fascinating because I've been posting for years RE

> > my wondering if the Cluster B personality disorders could be considered

> > " psychopathy lite " ?

> >

> > It seems my question occurred to some legitimate psychiatric researchers as

> > well.

> >

> > -Annie

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ok, thanks for helping to clear that up Annie! I do remember taking about

the Hare Psychopathy Checklist in that class as well, probably because my

professor was a former cop. She had a real interest in criminal

psychopathy. It was a good class, very interesting. And since it's an

accelerated program, it was a LOT to take in in one month lol. We did talk

a bit about other PD's including BPD but not too much. You're talking a

psych 101 type class. So yeah.

Ty again, Mia

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 4:51 PM, anuria67854 wrote:

>

>

> You're correct: the current edition, the DSM-IV, uses the term " antisocial

> pd. "

>

> Earlier editions used the terms " psychopathic pd " and later " sociopathic

> pd " somewhat interchangeably.

>

> The confusion comes in (this is my interpretation from reading about this)

> when the APA were working on edition #4 of the DSM, they removed some of the

> criteria defining " sociopathic pd " , AND changed the term to " antisocial pd. "

>

>

> Dr. Hare, an expert psychiatrist and researcher specializing in the

> criminally insane, didn't agree with the reduction of criteria, and

> developed a protocol called the Hare Psychopathy Checklist. His list of

> criteria is more like the DSM-III criteria, and is based on Hervey

> Cleckley's original definitions and descriptions of psychopathy/sociopathy

> in his book " The Mask of Sanity. "

>

> Dr. Hare's criteria and checklist are now considered to be the " gold

> standard " for diagnosing psychopathy among forensic communities

> (incarcerated criminals) and Dr. Hare believes that psychopathy should have

> its own, separate classification because its sort of... beyond antisocial

> criteria. Psychopathy has more features than antisocial pd, I think is his

> reason.

>

> As far as I know, at this point, though, the DSM is not going to have a

> separate listing for psychopathy in edition #5. But I'm not positive about

> that.

>

> -Annie

>

[Guest guest]

Ok, thanks for helping to clear that up Annie! I do remember taking about

the Hare Psychopathy Checklist in that class as well, probably because my

professor was a former cop. She had a real interest in criminal

psychopathy. It was a good class, very interesting. And since it's an

accelerated program, it was a LOT to take in in one month lol. We did talk

a bit about other PD's including BPD but not too much. You're talking a

psych 101 type class. So yeah.

Ty again, Mia

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 4:51 PM, anuria67854 wrote:

>

>

> You're correct: the current edition, the DSM-IV, uses the term " antisocial

> pd. "

>

> Earlier editions used the terms " psychopathic pd " and later " sociopathic

> pd " somewhat interchangeably.

>

> The confusion comes in (this is my interpretation from reading about this)

> when the APA were working on edition #4 of the DSM, they removed some of the

> criteria defining " sociopathic pd " , AND changed the term to " antisocial pd. "

>

>

> Dr. Hare, an expert psychiatrist and researcher specializing in the

> criminally insane, didn't agree with the reduction of criteria, and

> developed a protocol called the Hare Psychopathy Checklist. His list of

> criteria is more like the DSM-III criteria, and is based on Hervey

> Cleckley's original definitions and descriptions of psychopathy/sociopathy

> in his book " The Mask of Sanity. "

>

> Dr. Hare's criteria and checklist are now considered to be the " gold

> standard " for diagnosing psychopathy among forensic communities

> (incarcerated criminals) and Dr. Hare believes that psychopathy should have

> its own, separate classification because its sort of... beyond antisocial

> criteria. Psychopathy has more features than antisocial pd, I think is his

> reason.

>

> As far as I know, at this point, though, the DSM is not going to have a

> separate listing for psychopathy in edition #5. But I'm not positive about

> that.

>

> -Annie

>

[Guest guest]

Ok, thanks for helping to clear that up Annie! I do remember taking about

the Hare Psychopathy Checklist in that class as well, probably because my

professor was a former cop. She had a real interest in criminal

psychopathy. It was a good class, very interesting. And since it's an

accelerated program, it was a LOT to take in in one month lol. We did talk

a bit about other PD's including BPD but not too much. You're talking a

psych 101 type class. So yeah.

Ty again, Mia

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 4:51 PM, anuria67854 wrote:

>

>

> You're correct: the current edition, the DSM-IV, uses the term " antisocial

> pd. "

>

> Earlier editions used the terms " psychopathic pd " and later " sociopathic

> pd " somewhat interchangeably.

>

> The confusion comes in (this is my interpretation from reading about this)

> when the APA were working on edition #4 of the DSM, they removed some of the

> criteria defining " sociopathic pd " , AND changed the term to " antisocial pd. "

>

>

> Dr. Hare, an expert psychiatrist and researcher specializing in the

> criminally insane, didn't agree with the reduction of criteria, and

> developed a protocol called the Hare Psychopathy Checklist. His list of

> criteria is more like the DSM-III criteria, and is based on Hervey

> Cleckley's original definitions and descriptions of psychopathy/sociopathy

> in his book " The Mask of Sanity. "

>

> Dr. Hare's criteria and checklist are now considered to be the " gold

> standard " for diagnosing psychopathy among forensic communities

> (incarcerated criminals) and Dr. Hare believes that psychopathy should have

> its own, separate classification because its sort of... beyond antisocial

> criteria. Psychopathy has more features than antisocial pd, I think is his

> reason.

>

> As far as I know, at this point, though, the DSM is not going to have a

> separate listing for psychopathy in edition #5. But I'm not positive about

> that.

>

> -Annie

>

[Guest guest]

I meant to add this:

(referring to Cleckley's book:)

" 'The Mask of Sanity' is distinguished by its central thesis, that the

psychopath exhibits normal function according to standard psychiatric criteria,

yet privately engages in destructive behaviors. "

This alone, to me, should have psychiatrists re-thinking the definition of the

Cluster B disorders when the patient exhibits that trait.

Low-funtioning pd individuals who exhibit their traits and behaviors all over

the place, indiscriminately, in an out-of-control way seem to me to have quite a

different disorder from individuals like my nada who can (virtually all the

time) choose when and where and against whom to act out.

I think that's the basis of research studies comparing the Cluster B disorders

to psychopathy.

-Annie

>

> You're correct: the current edition, the DSM-IV, uses the term " antisocial

pd. "

>

> Earlier editions used the terms " psychopathic pd " and later " sociopathic pd "

somewhat interchangeably.

>

> The confusion comes in (this is my interpretation from reading about this)

when the APA were working on edition #4 of the DSM, they removed some of the

criteria defining " sociopathic pd " , AND changed the term to " antisocial pd. "

>

> Dr. Hare, an expert psychiatrist and researcher specializing in the criminally

insane, didn't agree with the reduction of criteria, and developed a protocol

called the Hare Psychopathy Checklist. His list of criteria is more like the

DSM-III criteria, and is based on Hervey Cleckley's original definitions and

descriptions of psychopathy/sociopathy in his book " The Mask of Sanity. "

>

> Dr. Hare's criteria and checklist are now considered to be the " gold standard "

for diagnosing psychopathy among forensic communities (incarcerated criminals)

and Dr. Hare believes that psychopathy should have its own, separate

classification because its sort of... beyond antisocial criteria. Psychopathy

has more features than antisocial pd, I think is his reason.

>

> As far as I know, at this point, though, the DSM is not going to have a

separate listing for psychopathy in edition #5. But I'm not positive about

that.

>

> -Annie

[Guest guest]

I meant to add this:

(referring to Cleckley's book:)

" 'The Mask of Sanity' is distinguished by its central thesis, that the

psychopath exhibits normal function according to standard psychiatric criteria,

yet privately engages in destructive behaviors. "

This alone, to me, should have psychiatrists re-thinking the definition of the

Cluster B disorders when the patient exhibits that trait.

Low-funtioning pd individuals who exhibit their traits and behaviors all over

the place, indiscriminately, in an out-of-control way seem to me to have quite a

different disorder from individuals like my nada who can (virtually all the

time) choose when and where and against whom to act out.

I think that's the basis of research studies comparing the Cluster B disorders

to psychopathy.

-Annie

>

> You're correct: the current edition, the DSM-IV, uses the term " antisocial

pd. "

>

> Earlier editions used the terms " psychopathic pd " and later " sociopathic pd "

somewhat interchangeably.

>

> The confusion comes in (this is my interpretation from reading about this)

when the APA were working on edition #4 of the DSM, they removed some of the

criteria defining " sociopathic pd " , AND changed the term to " antisocial pd. "

>

> Dr. Hare, an expert psychiatrist and researcher specializing in the criminally

insane, didn't agree with the reduction of criteria, and developed a protocol

called the Hare Psychopathy Checklist. His list of criteria is more like the

DSM-III criteria, and is based on Hervey Cleckley's original definitions and

descriptions of psychopathy/sociopathy in his book " The Mask of Sanity. "

>

> Dr. Hare's criteria and checklist are now considered to be the " gold standard "

for diagnosing psychopathy among forensic communities (incarcerated criminals)

and Dr. Hare believes that psychopathy should have its own, separate

classification because its sort of... beyond antisocial criteria. Psychopathy

has more features than antisocial pd, I think is his reason.

>

> As far as I know, at this point, though, the DSM is not going to have a

separate listing for psychopathy in edition #5. But I'm not positive about

that.

>

> -Annie

[Guest guest]

I meant to add this:

(referring to Cleckley's book:)

" 'The Mask of Sanity' is distinguished by its central thesis, that the

psychopath exhibits normal function according to standard psychiatric criteria,

yet privately engages in destructive behaviors. "

This alone, to me, should have psychiatrists re-thinking the definition of the

Cluster B disorders when the patient exhibits that trait.

Low-funtioning pd individuals who exhibit their traits and behaviors all over

the place, indiscriminately, in an out-of-control way seem to me to have quite a

different disorder from individuals like my nada who can (virtually all the

time) choose when and where and against whom to act out.

I think that's the basis of research studies comparing the Cluster B disorders

to psychopathy.

-Annie

>

> You're correct: the current edition, the DSM-IV, uses the term " antisocial

pd. "

>

> Earlier editions used the terms " psychopathic pd " and later " sociopathic pd "

somewhat interchangeably.

>

> The confusion comes in (this is my interpretation from reading about this)

when the APA were working on edition #4 of the DSM, they removed some of the

criteria defining " sociopathic pd " , AND changed the term to " antisocial pd. "

>

> Dr. Hare, an expert psychiatrist and researcher specializing in the criminally

insane, didn't agree with the reduction of criteria, and developed a protocol

called the Hare Psychopathy Checklist. His list of criteria is more like the

DSM-III criteria, and is based on Hervey Cleckley's original definitions and

descriptions of psychopathy/sociopathy in his book " The Mask of Sanity. "

>

> Dr. Hare's criteria and checklist are now considered to be the " gold standard "

for diagnosing psychopathy among forensic communities (incarcerated criminals)

and Dr. Hare believes that psychopathy should have its own, separate

classification because its sort of... beyond antisocial criteria. Psychopathy

has more features than antisocial pd, I think is his reason.

>

> As far as I know, at this point, though, the DSM is not going to have a

separate listing for psychopathy in edition #5. But I'm not positive about

that.

>

> -Annie

[Guest guest]

I agree. My nada also was able to control when & where she would act out.

From my point of view, she was very careful of who she allowed to see that

side. Unfortunately, it was usually just me.

But yep, I agree... there's definitely overlap with the Cluster B's and

there is something happening much differently between low & high functioning

PDs. I hope more research will be done on this.

I think it was you, Annie, who called your nada a " walking cluster B " . I've

kind of adopted that phrase myself when it comes to my nada lol.

Mia

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 5:08 PM, anuria67854 wrote:

>

>

> I meant to add this:

>

> (referring to Cleckley's book:)

>

> " 'The Mask of Sanity' is distinguished by its central thesis, that the

> psychopath exhibits normal function according to standard psychiatric

> criteria, yet privately engages in destructive behaviors. "

>

> This alone, to me, should have psychiatrists re-thinking the definition of

> the Cluster B disorders when the patient exhibits that trait.

>

> Low-funtioning pd individuals who exhibit their traits and behaviors all

> over the place, indiscriminately, in an out-of-control way seem to me to

> have quite a different disorder from individuals like my nada who can

> (virtually all the time) choose when and where and against whom to act out.

>

> I think that's the basis of research studies comparing the Cluster B

> disorders to psychopathy.

>

> -Annie

>

>

>

> >

> > You're correct: the current edition, the DSM-IV, uses the term

> " antisocial pd. "

> >

> > Earlier editions used the terms " psychopathic pd " and later " sociopathic

> pd " somewhat interchangeably.

> >

> > The confusion comes in (this is my interpretation from reading about

> this) when the APA were working on edition #4 of the DSM, they removed some

> of the criteria defining " sociopathic pd " , AND changed the term to

> " antisocial pd. "

> >

> > Dr. Hare, an expert psychiatrist and researcher specializing in the

> criminally insane, didn't agree with the reduction of criteria, and

> developed a protocol called the Hare Psychopathy Checklist. His list of

> criteria is more like the DSM-III criteria, and is based on Hervey

> Cleckley's original definitions and descriptions of psychopathy/sociopathy

> in his book " The Mask of Sanity. "

> >

> > Dr. Hare's criteria and checklist are now considered to be the " gold

> standard " for diagnosing psychopathy among forensic communities

> (incarcerated criminals) and Dr. Hare believes that psychopathy should have

> its own, separate classification because its sort of... beyond antisocial

> criteria. Psychopathy has more features than antisocial pd, I think is his

> reason.

> >

> > As far as I know, at this point, though, the DSM is not going to have a

> separate listing for psychopathy in edition #5. But I'm not positive about

> that.

> >

> > -Annie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree. My nada also was able to control when & where she would act out.

From my point of view, she was very careful of who she allowed to see that

side. Unfortunately, it was usually just me.

But yep, I agree... there's definitely overlap with the Cluster B's and

there is something happening much differently between low & high functioning

PDs. I hope more research will be done on this.

I think it was you, Annie, who called your nada a " walking cluster B " . I've

kind of adopted that phrase myself when it comes to my nada lol.

Mia

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 5:08 PM, anuria67854 wrote:

>

>

> I meant to add this:

>

> (referring to Cleckley's book:)

>

> " 'The Mask of Sanity' is distinguished by its central thesis, that the

> psychopath exhibits normal function according to standard psychiatric

> criteria, yet privately engages in destructive behaviors. "

>

> This alone, to me, should have psychiatrists re-thinking the definition of

> the Cluster B disorders when the patient exhibits that trait.

>

> Low-funtioning pd individuals who exhibit their traits and behaviors all

> over the place, indiscriminately, in an out-of-control way seem to me to

> have quite a different disorder from individuals like my nada who can

> (virtually all the time) choose when and where and against whom to act out.

>

> I think that's the basis of research studies comparing the Cluster B

> disorders to psychopathy.

>

> -Annie

>

>

>

> >

> > You're correct: the current edition, the DSM-IV, uses the term

> " antisocial pd. "

> >

> > Earlier editions used the terms " psychopathic pd " and later " sociopathic

> pd " somewhat interchangeably.

> >

> > The confusion comes in (this is my interpretation from reading about

> this) when the APA were working on edition #4 of the DSM, they removed some

> of the criteria defining " sociopathic pd " , AND changed the term to

> " antisocial pd. "

> >

> > Dr. Hare, an expert psychiatrist and researcher specializing in the

> criminally insane, didn't agree with the reduction of criteria, and

> developed a protocol called the Hare Psychopathy Checklist. His list of

> criteria is more like the DSM-III criteria, and is based on Hervey

> Cleckley's original definitions and descriptions of psychopathy/sociopathy

> in his book " The Mask of Sanity. "

> >

> > Dr. Hare's criteria and checklist are now considered to be the " gold

> standard " for diagnosing psychopathy among forensic communities

> (incarcerated criminals) and Dr. Hare believes that psychopathy should have

> its own, separate classification because its sort of... beyond antisocial

> criteria. Psychopathy has more features than antisocial pd, I think is his

> reason.

> >

> > As far as I know, at this point, though, the DSM is not going to have a

> separate listing for psychopathy in edition #5. But I'm not positive about

> that.

> >

> > -Annie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree. My nada also was able to control when & where she would act out.

From my point of view, she was very careful of who she allowed to see that

side. Unfortunately, it was usually just me.

But yep, I agree... there's definitely overlap with the Cluster B's and

there is something happening much differently between low & high functioning

PDs. I hope more research will be done on this.

I think it was you, Annie, who called your nada a " walking cluster B " . I've

kind of adopted that phrase myself when it comes to my nada lol.

Mia

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 5:08 PM, anuria67854 wrote:

>

>

> I meant to add this:

>

> (referring to Cleckley's book:)

>

> " 'The Mask of Sanity' is distinguished by its central thesis, that the

> psychopath exhibits normal function according to standard psychiatric

> criteria, yet privately engages in destructive behaviors. "

>

> This alone, to me, should have psychiatrists re-thinking the definition of

> the Cluster B disorders when the patient exhibits that trait.

>

> Low-funtioning pd individuals who exhibit their traits and behaviors all

> over the place, indiscriminately, in an out-of-control way seem to me to

> have quite a different disorder from individuals like my nada who can

> (virtually all the time) choose when and where and against whom to act out.

>

> I think that's the basis of research studies comparing the Cluster B

> disorders to psychopathy.

>

> -Annie

>

>

>

> >

> > You're correct: the current edition, the DSM-IV, uses the term

> " antisocial pd. "

> >

> > Earlier editions used the terms " psychopathic pd " and later " sociopathic

> pd " somewhat interchangeably.

> >

> > The confusion comes in (this is my interpretation from reading about

> this) when the APA were working on edition #4 of the DSM, they removed some

> of the criteria defining " sociopathic pd " , AND changed the term to

> " antisocial pd. "

> >

> > Dr. Hare, an expert psychiatrist and researcher specializing in the

> criminally insane, didn't agree with the reduction of criteria, and

> developed a protocol called the Hare Psychopathy Checklist. His list of

> criteria is more like the DSM-III criteria, and is based on Hervey

> Cleckley's original definitions and descriptions of psychopathy/sociopathy

> in his book " The Mask of Sanity. "

> >

> > Dr. Hare's criteria and checklist are now considered to be the " gold

> standard " for diagnosing psychopathy among forensic communities

> (incarcerated criminals) and Dr. Hare believes that psychopathy should have

> its own, separate classification because its sort of... beyond antisocial

> criteria. Psychopathy has more features than antisocial pd, I think is his

> reason.

> >

> > As far as I know, at this point, though, the DSM is not going to have a

> separate listing for psychopathy in edition #5. But I'm not positive about

> that.

> >

> > -Annie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, that was me. So my nada, the " Walking Cluster B " has company, now. How

sad for all of us.

-Annie

>

> I agree. My nada also was able to control when & where she would act out.

> From my point of view, she was very careful of who she allowed to see that

> side. Unfortunately, it was usually just me.

>

> But yep, I agree... there's definitely overlap with the Cluster B's and

> there is something happening much differently between low & high functioning

> PDs. I hope more research will be done on this.

>

> I think it was you, Annie, who called your nada a " walking cluster B " . I've

> kind of adopted that phrase myself when it comes to my nada lol.

>

> Mia

[Guest guest]

Yes, that was me. So my nada, the " Walking Cluster B " has company, now. How

sad for all of us.

-Annie

>

> I agree. My nada also was able to control when & where she would act out.

> From my point of view, she was very careful of who she allowed to see that

> side. Unfortunately, it was usually just me.

>

> But yep, I agree... there's definitely overlap with the Cluster B's and

> there is something happening much differently between low & high functioning

> PDs. I hope more research will be done on this.

>

> I think it was you, Annie, who called your nada a " walking cluster B " . I've

> kind of adopted that phrase myself when it comes to my nada lol.

>

> Mia