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I do think there can be a disassociation between our minds and our bodies. I

know exactly What you are.talking about. I think for me my body never got the

message from my brain that " eating this makes me feel sick " . I had the same

experience with ice cream and ate it all the time. Eventually it lost its hold

on me. I think my brain finally learned it could trust me and could have ice

cream whenever I wanted. So keep the chocolate around but work on having it only

when hungry but gentle on yourself when you do have when you're not hungry.

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Subject: Could sugar addiction be real?...

 

I've been working on IE for several months now and honestly don't feel any

further ahead than when I started. I have gone through so much chocolate that

you'd think I'd explode only to wake up the next day w/ the same craving for it.

I don't think I'll ever get sick of it and just not want it. I read something a

long time ago that said " your body will never stop craving sugar as long as you

keep it in your system " . What if this is true? I know diets aren't the answer

but I just want to eat healthier so I feel better but just can't stop eating

chocolate which I know makes me feel tired, groggy, and just plain blah. If I

know something is making me feel that way then why can't I stop it? Could there

really be an addiction?

Barb

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Barb I consumed chocolate for months and months as my 'legalizing' practice. I

knew I was eating it mainly because 1) I could (diet rebel) and 2) I really

thought I LOVED it. I gave myself permission to eat it even when not hungry so

you bet I had tight pants too. I only was able to lessen my drive to eat it when

I truly had plenty on hand and seemed to have let this insanity run its course

with me. Since then I do have chocolate moments, but nothing like I did before.

I am also much pickier with what chocolate I eat and am willing to stop after

much less than I would have previously eaten.

In regards to sugar, what I discovered for myself was that eating sweets - alone

- would spike my energy, satisfy me immediately, and then I would 'crash' not

all that long (hour at most) after. I call this my roller coaster ride of sugar

;-) I don't think its an addiction per se, but unfortunately a real body

reaction to quick energy which is quickly used up setting up another need for

the next quick boost etc. Now when I eat a treat alone, I know that I will most

likely get 'hungry' again soon. I now chose to eat in answer to that need, but

usually something more substantial - protein/fat - which smooths out the highs

and lows that sugar alone causes in me. You may want to experiment with eating

different foods to see how you react.

BEST to you, Katcha

IEing since March 2007

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> I've been working on IE for several months now and honestly don't feel any

further ahead than when I started. I have gone through so much chocolate that

you'd think I'd explode only to wake up the next day w/ the same craving for it.

I don't think I'll ever get sick of it and just not want it. I read something a

long time ago that said " your body will never stop craving sugar as long as you

keep it in your system " . What if this is true? I know diets aren't the answer

but I just want to eat healthier so I feel better but just can't stop eating

chocolate which I know makes me feel tired, groggy, and just plain blah. If I

know something is making me feel that way then why can't I stop it? Could there

really be an addiction?

>

> Barb

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The mind is a funny thing. I smoked for many years; pack a day for probably 30

years. Started at age 12. I loved smoking. I used cigarettes for everything -

company, a social prop, to settle down, to amp up, to look sophisticated, as an

appetite suppressant, etc. I had tried to quit numerous times but was so

addicted I couldn't stop.

Then I became a hypnotherapist and learned about the power of the mind. I came

to see my belief in the power of my addiction to cigarettes as a self-fulfililng

prophesy; as self hypnosis. Over time, and it took a while, I was able to smoke

very occasionally (1 cigarette a day or less) and eventually stopped entirely.

Some day I'll be able to do that with chocolate.

Speaking of which, I brought one chocolate mint patty to work in my lunch today,

ate it, enjoyed it and am not craving another. This was my first instance of

giving myself permission to eat a " forbidden food " in public and to set a

reasonable limit on what I would let myself enjoy. I'm trying a a new tact with

myself around eating.

The mind is healer, the mind is slayer...

Sandarah

> >

> > I've been working on IE for several months now and honestly don't feel any

further ahead than when I started. I have gone through so much chocolate that

you'd think I'd explode only to wake up the next day w/ the same craving for it.

I don't think I'll ever get sick of it and just not want it. I read something a

long time ago that said " your body will never stop craving sugar as long as you

keep it in your system " . What if this is true? I know diets aren't the answer

but I just want to eat healthier so I feel better but just can't stop eating

chocolate which I know makes me feel tired, groggy, and just plain blah. If I

know something is making me feel that way then why can't I stop it? Could there

really be an addiction?

> >

> > Barb

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The mind is a funny thing. I smoked for many years; pack a day for probably 30

years. Started at age 12. I loved smoking. I used cigarettes for everything -

company, a social prop, to settle down, to amp up, to look sophisticated, as an

appetite suppressant, etc. I had tried to quit numerous times but was so

addicted I couldn't stop.

Then I became a hypnotherapist and learned about the power of the mind. I came

to see my belief in the power of my addiction to cigarettes as a self-fulfililng

prophesy; as self hypnosis. Over time, and it took a while, I was able to smoke

very occasionally (1 cigarette a day or less) and eventually stopped entirely.

Some day I'll be able to do that with chocolate.

Speaking of which, I brought one chocolate mint patty to work in my lunch today,

ate it, enjoyed it and am not craving another. This was my first instance of

giving myself permission to eat a " forbidden food " in public and to set a

reasonable limit on what I would let myself enjoy. I'm trying a a new tact with

myself around eating.

The mind is healer, the mind is slayer...

Sandarah

> >

> > I've been working on IE for several months now and honestly don't feel any

further ahead than when I started. I have gone through so much chocolate that

you'd think I'd explode only to wake up the next day w/ the same craving for it.

I don't think I'll ever get sick of it and just not want it. I read something a

long time ago that said " your body will never stop craving sugar as long as you

keep it in your system " . What if this is true? I know diets aren't the answer

but I just want to eat healthier so I feel better but just can't stop eating

chocolate which I know makes me feel tired, groggy, and just plain blah. If I

know something is making me feel that way then why can't I stop it? Could there

really be an addiction?

> >

> > Barb

> >

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Sandarah -- do you think you might have been satisfied because that's all there was? Because you only brought one? I'm curious b/c I'm still trying to figure out what makes me keep going and what allows me to stop.Ellie I brought one chocolate mint patty to work in my

lunch today, ate it, enjoyed it and am not craving another. This was my first instance of giving myself permission to eat a "forbidden food" in public and to set a reasonable limit on what I would let myself enjoy. I'm trying a a new tact with myself around eating.

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I still like the 3 food groups that Gillian suggests.  Foods that you like(eat those), foods that you hate(don't eat those), and those that honor your body(eat those).  I had to incorporate this last group into my journey because I had some health issues that some of the " like " foods did not honor my body.  If sugar makes you feel so bad maybe it doesn't honor your body.  After all if you were a diabetic, you probably would not be eating much sugar.  Just like some who post on here also can not eat gluten, they CHOOSE to not eat it or most of the time. I still think I have a hard time sometimes distinuishing between " no forbiden foods " and choosing what is healthy for my body.  I also missed the point in IE that says EAT WHEN YOU ARE HUNGRY, STOP WHEN YOU ARE FULL. So in the beginning I just ate whatever I wanted(like hot fudge sundaes) even when I wasn't hungry.  I have had to go back and re-read the book.  I am only half way through and can't believe how much I " missed " . Hope something here helps a little.  Also I would like to know if my posts are getting through ok. Sandy

 

I've been working on IE for several months now and honestly don't feel any further ahead than when I started. I have gone through so much chocolate that you'd think I'd explode only to wake up the next day w/ the same craving for it. I don't think I'll ever get sick of it and just not want it. I read something a long time ago that said " your body will never stop craving sugar as long as you keep it in your system " . What if this is true? I know diets aren't the answer but I just want to eat healthier so I feel better but just can't stop eating chocolate which I know makes me feel tired, groggy, and just plain blah. If I know something is making me feel that way then why can't I stop it? Could there really be an addiction?

Barb

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Thanks Ellie. Sandy

 

They're getting through to me! (double meaning)Ellie

Hope something here helps a little.  Also I would like to know if my posts are getting through ok. Sandy

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Anyone who knows me personally knows I've been a lifelong self-proclaimed

chocoholic. While standing in a pharmacy line, I was reading an interview with

Dr. Oz. He said something which I've been wondering about because my own love

affair with sugar has seemed to evaporate in the past couple of months.

He made the point that the body is always wanting to nourish itself, that when

you eat junk food, even if you fill up your stomach, your body has not received

the nourishment it needs, so it contiues to seek nourishment, thus you keep

eating more and more junk food because your body never does get nourished. But

when you fill your body with whole foods, it receives nourishment and your

hunger declines.

Since I've been eating to honor my body, also focusing on getting a variety of

of nutrients, especially lots of fruits and veggies, I have been amazed that

I've gone for days without chocolate or other sugary treats, and then when I get

them, they are somewhat tasteless and not what my body wants at all. I would

NEVER have believed I'd have gone this long without chocolate, or at least not

much of it anymore.

This IE thing seems to have 2 parts: One, that you eat everything you feel

you've been deprived of on diets, and two, that once you are past feeling

deprived, you begin to really be able to listen to what your body wants rather

than what your mind wants. At this point is when I began to lose my need for

chocolatey and other desserts as well.

Sara

>

> I've been working on IE for several months now and honestly don't feel any

further ahead than when I started. I have gone through so much chocolate that

you'd think I'd explode only to wake up the next day w/ the same craving for it.

I don't think I'll ever get sick of it and just not want it. I read something a

long time ago that said " your body will never stop craving sugar as long as you

keep it in your system " . What if this is true? I know diets aren't the answer

but I just want to eat healthier so I feel better but just can't stop eating

chocolate which I know makes me feel tired, groggy, and just plain blah. If I

know something is making me feel that way then why can't I stop it? Could there

really be an addiction?

>

> Barb

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That's a good question. I think the answer's a two-parter. One, it was very

unusual for me to give myself permission to eat something sweet in front of

folks at work, especially the chronic dieter sitting across from me. So, it was

" special " that I could let myself eat and enjoy it in front of someone. And,

two, since my breakthrough realization that I actually do have the power to

choose inside of me, there isn't quite as much heat on those mint patties. Oh,

and plus, I knew this was a trial and not the end of the world even if I did

crave it. I'm learning that cravings won't actually kill me. Ta da! This is a

process, that's for sure.

>

> Sandarah -- do you think you might have been satisfied because that's all

there was? Because you only brought one? I'm curious b/c I'm still trying to

figure out what makes me keep going and what allows me to stop.

>

> Ellie

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> >I brought one chocolate mint patty to work in my lunch today, ate it, enjoyed

it and am not craving another. This was my first instance of giving myself

permission to eat a " forbidden food " in public and to set a reasonable limit on

what I would let myself enjoy. I'm trying a a new tact with myself around

eating.

> >

> >

> >Sandarah

> >

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Great post; thanks for sharing Sara!

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> This IE thing seems to have 2 parts: One, that you eat everything you feel

you've been deprived of on diets, and two, that once you are past feeling

deprived, you begin to really be able to listen to what your body wants rather

than what your mind wants. At this point is when I began to lose my need for

chocolatey and other desserts as well.

>

> Sara

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Great post; thanks for sharing Sara!

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>

> This IE thing seems to have 2 parts: One, that you eat everything you feel

you've been deprived of on diets, and two, that once you are past feeling

deprived, you begin to really be able to listen to what your body wants rather

than what your mind wants. At this point is when I began to lose my need for

chocolatey and other desserts as well.

>

> Sara

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Very insightful!

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--- Original Message ---

Sent: January 9, 2012 1/9/12

To: IntuitiveEating_Support

Subject: Re: Could sugar addiction be real?...

 

Anyone who knows me personally knows I've been a lifelong self-proclaimed

chocoholic. While standing in a pharmacy line, I was reading an interview with

Dr. Oz. He said something which I've been wondering about because my own love

affair with sugar has seemed to evaporate in the past couple of months.

He made the point that the body is always wanting to nourish itself, that when

you eat junk food, even if you fill up your stomach, your body has not received

the nourishment it needs, so it contiues to seek nourishment, thus you keep

eating more and more junk food because your body never does get nourished. But

when you fill your body with whole foods, it receives nourishment and your

hunger declines.

Since I've been eating to honor my body, also focusing on getting a variety of

of nutrients, especially lots of fruits and veggies, I have been amazed that

I've gone for days without chocolate or other sugary treats, and then when I get

them, they are somewhat tasteless and not what my body wants at all. I would

NEVER have believed I'd have gone this long without chocolate, or at least not

much of it anymore.

This IE thing seems to have 2 parts: One, that you eat everything you feel

you've been deprived of on diets, and two, that once you are past feeling

deprived, you begin to really be able to listen to what your body wants rather

than what your mind wants. At this point is when I began to lose my need for

chocolatey and other desserts as well.

Sara

>

> I've been working on IE for several months now and honestly don't feel any

further ahead than when I started. I have gone through so much chocolate that

you'd think I'd explode only to wake up the next day w/ the same craving for it.

I don't think I'll ever get sick of it and just not want it. I read something a

long time ago that said " your body will never stop craving sugar as long as you

keep it in your system " . What if this is true? I know diets aren't the answer

but I just want to eat healthier so I feel better but just can't stop eating

chocolate which I know makes me feel tired, groggy, and just plain blah. If I

know something is making me feel that way then why can't I stop it? Could there

really be an addiction?

>

> Barb

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Love this!!!

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....I knew this was a trial and not the end of the world even if I did crave it.

I'm learning that cravings won't actually kill me. Ta da! This is a process,

that's for sure.

>

Thanks for sharing :)

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Love this!!!

>

....I knew this was a trial and not the end of the world even if I did crave it.

I'm learning that cravings won't actually kill me. Ta da! This is a process,

that's for sure.

>

Thanks for sharing :)

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Love this!!!

>

....I knew this was a trial and not the end of the world even if I did crave it.

I'm learning that cravings won't actually kill me. Ta da! This is a process,

that's for sure.

>

Thanks for sharing :)

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"your body will never stop craving sugar as long as you keep it in your system". I struggle with this...especially with my insulin resistance...it's led to weight gain for me, as I practice more the "no restrictions!" and less the"stop when you're full!" part of IE.What I have learned, and what I struggle with, is that sugar and foods that act like sugar (your refined grains, white flours, starches) make it harder for your brain to recognize that you are full. This corresponds with Sara's quote from Dr. Oz about your body searching for the nutrition it didn't get from the sugary food.I'm recommitting to IE to keep my weight from spiraling even further upwards, to get my insulin levels under control before I am a full-fledged

diabetic. One thing that I am doing that has helped in the past is adding protein throughout my day. For ex, this week, I've been snacking on hard-boiled eggs (lazy me...bought them already hard-boiled from the grocery store!) Have to keep reminding myself...seems IE was a lot easier and a lot more natural for me when I added protein (and a few vegetables too) to my diet. I would still eat plenty of tasty, not-so-nutritious foods, and I wasn't eating anywhere near the amount of vegetables that a nutritionist OR a diet would recommend, but these small additions kept things in check. My cravings were much less powerful, and it was easier to tell when I was full. Plus, who wouldn't rather add to your diet than subtract/restrict?I'm sick of feeling like my cravings control me! I know I can control THEM. I'm not going to think like a

victim.Sara

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"your body will never stop craving sugar as long as you keep it in your system". I struggle with this...especially with my insulin resistance...it's led to weight gain for me, as I practice more the "no restrictions!" and less the"stop when you're full!" part of IE.What I have learned, and what I struggle with, is that sugar and foods that act like sugar (your refined grains, white flours, starches) make it harder for your brain to recognize that you are full. This corresponds with Sara's quote from Dr. Oz about your body searching for the nutrition it didn't get from the sugary food.I'm recommitting to IE to keep my weight from spiraling even further upwards, to get my insulin levels under control before I am a full-fledged

diabetic. One thing that I am doing that has helped in the past is adding protein throughout my day. For ex, this week, I've been snacking on hard-boiled eggs (lazy me...bought them already hard-boiled from the grocery store!) Have to keep reminding myself...seems IE was a lot easier and a lot more natural for me when I added protein (and a few vegetables too) to my diet. I would still eat plenty of tasty, not-so-nutritious foods, and I wasn't eating anywhere near the amount of vegetables that a nutritionist OR a diet would recommend, but these small additions kept things in check. My cravings were much less powerful, and it was easier to tell when I was full. Plus, who wouldn't rather add to your diet than subtract/restrict?I'm sick of feeling like my cravings control me! I know I can control THEM. I'm not going to think like a

victim.Sara

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"your body will never stop craving sugar as long as you keep it in your system". I struggle with this...especially with my insulin resistance...it's led to weight gain for me, as I practice more the "no restrictions!" and less the"stop when you're full!" part of IE.What I have learned, and what I struggle with, is that sugar and foods that act like sugar (your refined grains, white flours, starches) make it harder for your brain to recognize that you are full. This corresponds with Sara's quote from Dr. Oz about your body searching for the nutrition it didn't get from the sugary food.I'm recommitting to IE to keep my weight from spiraling even further upwards, to get my insulin levels under control before I am a full-fledged

diabetic. One thing that I am doing that has helped in the past is adding protein throughout my day. For ex, this week, I've been snacking on hard-boiled eggs (lazy me...bought them already hard-boiled from the grocery store!) Have to keep reminding myself...seems IE was a lot easier and a lot more natural for me when I added protein (and a few vegetables too) to my diet. I would still eat plenty of tasty, not-so-nutritious foods, and I wasn't eating anywhere near the amount of vegetables that a nutritionist OR a diet would recommend, but these small additions kept things in check. My cravings were much less powerful, and it was easier to tell when I was full. Plus, who wouldn't rather add to your diet than subtract/restrict?I'm sick of feeling like my cravings control me! I know I can control THEM. I'm not going to think like a

victim.Sara

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Thank you all for your responses. It has really given me a lot to think about. I

really need to learn to honor my health by making more nutritious choices so I

can feel better in my own body. I need to let all this sink in. This group is

wonderful!

Barb

>

> I've been working on IE for several months now and honestly don't feel any

further ahead than when I started. I have gone through so much chocolate that

you'd think I'd explode only to wake up the next day w/ the same craving for it.

I don't think I'll ever get sick of it and just not want it. I read something a

long time ago that said " your body will never stop craving sugar as long as you

keep it in your system " . What if this is true? I know diets aren't the answer

but I just want to eat healthier so I feel better but just can't stop eating

chocolate which I know makes me feel tired, groggy, and just plain blah. If I

know something is making me feel that way then why can't I stop it? Could there

really be an addiction?

>

> Barb

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" I'm not going to think like a victim. " Fantastic point; we can't let ourselves

fall victim to thoughts about being addicted to certain substances as the more

power we give them, the more they have. Sandarah

>

> " your body will never stop craving sugar as long as you keep it in your

system " .

>

>

> I struggle with this...especially with my insulin resistance...it's led to

weight gain for me, as I practice more the " no restrictions! " and less the " stop

when you're full! " part of IE.

>

> What I have learned, and what I struggle with, is that sugar and foods that

act like sugar (your refined grains, white flours, starches) make it harder for

your brain to recognize that you are full.  This corresponds with Sara's quote

from Dr. Oz about your body searching for the nutrition it didn't get from the

sugary food.

>

>

> I'm recommitting to IE to keep my weight from spiraling even further upwards,

to get my insulin levels under control before I am a full-fledged diabetic.  One

thing that I am doing that has helped in the past is adding protein throughout

my day.  For ex, this week, I've been snacking on hard-boiled eggs (lazy

me...bought them already hard-boiled from the grocery store!) 

>

>

> Have to keep reminding myself...seems IE was a lot easier and a lot more

natural for me when I added protein (and a few vegetables too) to my diet.  I

would still eat plenty of tasty, not-so-nutritious foods, and I wasn't eating

anywhere near the amount of vegetables that a nutritionist OR a diet would

recommend, but these small additions kept things in check.  My cravings were

much less powerful, and it was easier to tell when I was full.  Plus, who

wouldn't rather add to your diet than subtract/restrict?

>

>

> I'm sick of feeling like my cravings control me!  I know I can control THEM. 

I'm not going to think like a victim.

>

> Sara

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" I'm not going to think like a victim. " Fantastic point; we can't let ourselves

fall victim to thoughts about being addicted to certain substances as the more

power we give them, the more they have. Sandarah

>

> " your body will never stop craving sugar as long as you keep it in your

system " .

>

>

> I struggle with this...especially with my insulin resistance...it's led to

weight gain for me, as I practice more the " no restrictions! " and less the " stop

when you're full! " part of IE.

>

> What I have learned, and what I struggle with, is that sugar and foods that

act like sugar (your refined grains, white flours, starches) make it harder for

your brain to recognize that you are full.  This corresponds with Sara's quote

from Dr. Oz about your body searching for the nutrition it didn't get from the

sugary food.

>

>

> I'm recommitting to IE to keep my weight from spiraling even further upwards,

to get my insulin levels under control before I am a full-fledged diabetic.  One

thing that I am doing that has helped in the past is adding protein throughout

my day.  For ex, this week, I've been snacking on hard-boiled eggs (lazy

me...bought them already hard-boiled from the grocery store!) 

>

>

> Have to keep reminding myself...seems IE was a lot easier and a lot more

natural for me when I added protein (and a few vegetables too) to my diet.  I

would still eat plenty of tasty, not-so-nutritious foods, and I wasn't eating

anywhere near the amount of vegetables that a nutritionist OR a diet would

recommend, but these small additions kept things in check.  My cravings were

much less powerful, and it was easier to tell when I was full.  Plus, who

wouldn't rather add to your diet than subtract/restrict?

>

>

> I'm sick of feeling like my cravings control me!  I know I can control THEM. 

I'm not going to think like a victim.

>

> Sara

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" I'm not going to think like a victim. " Fantastic point; we can't let ourselves

fall victim to thoughts about being addicted to certain substances as the more

power we give them, the more they have. Sandarah

>

> " your body will never stop craving sugar as long as you keep it in your

system " .

>

>

> I struggle with this...especially with my insulin resistance...it's led to

weight gain for me, as I practice more the " no restrictions! " and less the " stop

when you're full! " part of IE.

>

> What I have learned, and what I struggle with, is that sugar and foods that

act like sugar (your refined grains, white flours, starches) make it harder for

your brain to recognize that you are full.  This corresponds with Sara's quote

from Dr. Oz about your body searching for the nutrition it didn't get from the

sugary food.

>

>

> I'm recommitting to IE to keep my weight from spiraling even further upwards,

to get my insulin levels under control before I am a full-fledged diabetic.  One

thing that I am doing that has helped in the past is adding protein throughout

my day.  For ex, this week, I've been snacking on hard-boiled eggs (lazy

me...bought them already hard-boiled from the grocery store!) 

>

>

> Have to keep reminding myself...seems IE was a lot easier and a lot more

natural for me when I added protein (and a few vegetables too) to my diet.  I

would still eat plenty of tasty, not-so-nutritious foods, and I wasn't eating

anywhere near the amount of vegetables that a nutritionist OR a diet would

recommend, but these small additions kept things in check.  My cravings were

much less powerful, and it was easier to tell when I was full.  Plus, who

wouldn't rather add to your diet than subtract/restrict?

>

>

> I'm sick of feeling like my cravings control me!  I know I can control THEM. 

I'm not going to think like a victim.

>

> Sara

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The sugar thing is a hard one. I know some people feel very strongly that highly processed white sugar triggers obsessive impulses in the brain. But then, what is the solution? Banning it only brings on further cravings. As frustrating as it is, I think you are doing the right thing by continuing to give yourself permission. However, your frustration with yourself and your taste for chocolate could be somewhat influencing the strength of your desires. I wish I had a concrete suggestion. I think this is a road you might have to travel to get to peace.

Mimi

Subject: Could sugar addiction be real?...To: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Monday, January 9, 2012, 2:07 PM

I've been working on IE for several months now and honestly don't feel any further ahead than when I started. I have gone through so much chocolate that you'd think I'd explode only to wake up the next day w/ the same craving for it. I don't think I'll ever get sick of it and just not want it. I read something a long time ago that said "your body will never stop craving sugar as long as you keep it in your system". What if this is true? I know diets aren't the answer but I just want to eat healthier so I feel better but just can't stop eating chocolate which I know makes me feel tired, groggy, and just plain blah. If I know something is making me feel that way then why can't I stop it? Could there really be an addiction?Barb

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