Guest guest Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 Well, if all you got from my post was that you need a $5.99 bottle of iodine to cure all ills then obviously i dont write very well ;-) One, my bottle of iodine is $10+ and two, all my other supps cost about $100 a month. My post was about adressing deficiency(s). Good nutrition. Natural Salt. Magnesium. Selenium. Vit C. Protein. Water. Enzymes. Tyrosine. Other stuff. So i want to be clear again, I never said it was one thing. Course I do think it's the KEY thing along with some other things, but not just one thing. Perhaps a very healthy person who ate a fairly good diet could just take iodine and cure their minor ills,tho they wouldnt be considered healthy if they had ills ;-) As for doctoring a thyroid yourself, I would trust myself over most doctors in regard to thyroid. There are literaly hundreds (thousands) of stories repeated by peoples' experiences with docs who have no clue. Most Docs know little to nothing about the thyroid. Trusting that your doc is one of the few who know is a crapshoot. If he pretends to know (which most do) this can lead to major problems. Most ignore ever so slight minor symptoms that add up after a few years to major ones. If your doc does know about thyroids then i would be shocked. Most have no clue at all what the tests they order mean. They dont even order the right tests/Labs. Most want to cut it out " just in case " when they see perceived abnormalities. For most docs, their entire knowledge of thyroid disorder is wrong. When i hear people say their thyroids are fine (or slightly off, not to worry) cause the doc said so i just cringe. There just arent that many that know. But, if you like docs, and if you like having a doc to tell you what to do and you like tests, then at least find one that one that does know rather than listening to and using the services of one who doesnt know (and probably wont know or learn because of their own misconceptions and false knowledge). As for your friend, without knowing what she actually tried in her quest to detox naturally i have no idea what caused her problem. One cant say it was the iodine, nor can they say it wasnt. Knowing if it was the iodine or not is unclear. Knowing even what kind of iodine is unclear. Knowing what else she was taking is unclear. Perhaps she didnt think salt or Se was important. Perhaps the dieoff scared her enough that she envisioned it worse than it was and OCD caused more of a panic. Perhaps she was already adrenal fatiqued and that with the dieoff was too much. Perhaps if she had pushed on thru it, with a steady dosage and with the correct supplements, she would have balanced out and felt great. If panic was the main symptom, based on what you posted, I would guess really bad adrenals, not enough salt, not enough C. Hydrocortisone probably would have helped more than an anxiety Rx. Is she healthy now? Relating a story without all the facts and only the fear, is another way to spread Iodophobia. Kinda like stories that spread fear about chelation. Similiar to how people tell one story that biomed wont treat autism so a million others believe it too. When someone hears of someone that had a bad experience ask what else could there be that effected the situation. Typically it's not enough companion supplements, or too much iodine for a too toxic and damaged body. Or, even not enough. Sometimes the people are so liver congested that taking anything that kicks up the dust is going to make them ill. So they get afraid and they stop, losing out on something their body desperately needs. I mean alot of people decide to try iodine without using the companion supplements then dont understand why they feel bad. (And even then go on to tell others how bad they felt taking iodine but left out some facts?) One girl decided she needed 200mg Iodine(extremely high dosage reserved for cancer patients with a whole lot of additional support), even when many said it was too much, she thought she didnt need salt either and then couldnt understand why she felt bad. She blamed the iodine. People dont always tell or even know themselves the whole story. I had one i talked to who swore it was the iodine but come to find out she also decided to start 600mg Alpha Lipoic Acid at the same time but forgot to mention it or think it was related. She stopped the ALA and the symptoms went away. You just never know. My point is to not assume it's the iodine (it isnt always the iodine) but what else is missing. Or detoxing. Or healing. I just dont get people blasting something they know so little about. People are way too dependent on letting someone else tell them what their bodies need. And when that someones opinion being listened to (docs) has a stake in what they sell(medicine), when their way of life is at stake, their livelyhood, Do you really think they will suggest or even investigate a $10 bottle of iodine with a hundred bucks worth of supplements if it means they dont get their $500 office visit? They tell enough people and there goes the big house. Then the vacation house. Then the boat. There may be a few altruistic docs but they are few and far between. And they are starting to use iodine For some docs they just believe what they are told, mostly by Pharm reps,and they spew it back to patients, never even really knowing what they speak of. I guess maybe i have met too many stupid or think they know it all doctors. Then there are the docs that are so set in their own protocols they cant see another path. There are quite alot of us that dont have thousands of dollars (or even hundreds) to try things that may or may not work and even spending the hundred or so i spend each month is difficult, so I really wish there was an all in one $5.99 bottle instead :-) Hope you dont feel blasted, not my intent :-) Cheryl > > Gosh, I am mostly a lurker, and I do not want to stir up any trouble, and I get that there are can be different solutions for different things- > I'll be honest, Iodine scares me. I have a friend who was trying to detox herself naturally last summer- she did some iodine, and got deathly sick- it whacked her out for months on end, to the point she needed to get medication for panic attacks she was having- > and, it scares me because of the effect on the thyroid, and the thyroid is soooo sensitive, and crucial. I don't want to try and doctor that myself. > Please don't blast me. Just an opinion. Believe you and me both, would I love a $5.99 cent product to cure EVERYTHING in my daughter? You betcha. I just spent $5,000 with a HD-IVIG to stop brain damamge. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 Amen sister! > > > > > > ...and I'm one, btw, who thinks she ought to go ahead with the abx. But > >if it > > > > > > > > were ME, I'd prob give the iodine a shot.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: T Lynn <t.lynn28@> > > > To: mb12 valtrex > > > Sent: Sat, March 5, 2011 5:10:49 PM > > > Subject: Re: Re: Strep... > > > > > >  > > > On the same note, how many doctors have told us that biomedical intervention > > > > would not address our children's " autism " . ?? Just sayin'. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 I understand the bitterness towards Dr.'s, big pharma. I get it. I I have my very own stories about it. But just like iodine alone won't 'fix' 100%, 100% of Dr.'s are not all evil. I have a PANDAS Dr. I do trust him. No, I don't have a money tree in my backyard. Nor do I care to defend my friends detox protocol, where she is at, exactly what she did. I'm just stating an opinion. It has nothing to do with you. It had to do with PANDAS treatment. I am glad you have found healing. Truly I am. Best wishes, > > Well, if all you got from my post was that you need a $5.99 bottle of iodine to cure all ills then obviously i dont write very well ;-) > > One, my bottle of iodine is $10+ and two, all my other supps cost about $100 a month. My post was about adressing deficiency(s). Good nutrition. Natural Salt. Magnesium. Selenium. Vit C. Protein. Water. Enzymes. Tyrosine. Other stuff. > > So i want to be clear again, I never said it was one thing. Course I do think it's the KEY thing along with some other things, but not just one thing. > > Perhaps a very healthy person who ate a fairly good diet could just take iodine and cure their minor ills,tho they wouldnt be considered healthy if they had ills ;-) > > As for doctoring a thyroid yourself, I would trust myself over most doctors in regard to thyroid. There are literaly hundreds (thousands) of stories repeated by peoples' experiences with docs who have no clue. Most Docs know little to nothing about the thyroid. Trusting that your doc is one of the few who know is a crapshoot. If he pretends to know (which most do) this can lead to major problems. Most ignore ever so slight minor symptoms that add up after a few years to major ones. If your doc does know about thyroids then i would be shocked. Most have no clue at all what the tests they order mean. They dont even order the right tests/Labs. Most want to cut it out " just in case " when they see perceived abnormalities. For most docs, their entire knowledge of thyroid disorder is wrong. When i hear people say their thyroids are fine (or slightly off, not to worry) cause the doc said so i just cringe. There just arent that many that know. But, if you like docs, and if you like having a doc to tell you what to do and you like tests, then at least find one that one that does know rather than listening to and using the services of one who doesnt know (and probably wont know or learn because of their own misconceptions and false knowledge). > > As for your friend, without knowing what she actually tried in her quest to detox naturally i have no idea what caused her problem. One cant say it was the iodine, nor can they say it wasnt. Knowing if it was the iodine or not is unclear. Knowing even what kind of iodine is unclear. Knowing what else she was taking is unclear. Perhaps she didnt think salt or Se was important. Perhaps the dieoff scared her enough that she envisioned it worse than it was and OCD caused more of a panic. Perhaps she was already adrenal fatiqued and that with the dieoff was too much. Perhaps if she had pushed on thru it, with a steady dosage and with the correct supplements, she would have balanced out and felt great. If panic was the main symptom, based on what you posted, I would guess really bad adrenals, not enough salt, not enough C. Hydrocortisone probably would have helped more than an anxiety Rx. Is she healthy now? > > Relating a story without all the facts and only the fear, is another way to spread Iodophobia. Kinda like stories that spread fear about chelation. Similiar to how people tell one story that biomed wont treat autism so a million others believe it too. > > When someone hears of someone that had a bad experience ask what else could there be that effected the situation. Typically it's not enough companion supplements, or too much iodine for a too toxic and damaged body. Or, even not enough. Sometimes the people are so liver congested that taking anything that kicks up the dust is going to make them ill. So they get afraid and they stop, losing out on something their body desperately needs. > > I mean alot of people decide to try iodine without using the companion supplements then dont understand why they feel bad. (And even then go on to tell others how bad they felt taking iodine but left out some facts?) One girl decided she needed 200mg Iodine(extremely high dosage reserved for cancer patients with a whole lot of additional support), even when many said it was too much, she thought she didnt need salt either and then couldnt understand why she felt bad. She blamed the iodine. > > People dont always tell or even know themselves the whole story. I had one i talked to who swore it was the iodine but come to find out she also decided to start 600mg Alpha Lipoic Acid at the same time but forgot to mention it or think it was related. She stopped the ALA and the symptoms went away. You just never know. My point is to not assume it's the iodine (it isnt always the iodine) but what else is missing. Or detoxing. Or healing. > > I just dont get people blasting something they know so little about. People are way too dependent on letting someone else tell them what their bodies need. And when that someones opinion being listened to (docs) has a stake in what they sell(medicine), when their way of life is at stake, their livelyhood, Do you really think they will suggest or even investigate a $10 bottle of iodine with a hundred bucks worth of supplements if it means they dont get their $500 office visit? They tell enough people and there goes the big house. Then the vacation house. Then the boat. There may be a few altruistic docs but they are few and far between. And they are starting to use iodine > > For some docs they just believe what they are told, mostly by Pharm reps,and they spew it back to patients, never even really knowing what they speak of. I guess maybe i have met too many stupid or think they know it all doctors. Then there are the docs that are so set in their own protocols they cant see another path. > > There are quite alot of us that dont have thousands of dollars (or even hundreds) to try things that may or may not work and even spending the hundred or so i spend each month is difficult, so I really wish there was an all in one $5.99 bottle instead :-) > > Hope you dont feel blasted, not my intent :-) > > Cheryl > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 You said 100%, I said most, which doesnt mean all. I dont have a bitterness toward doctors, i just know for the most part they dont have a clue. It's not bitterness. Its just a scary fact. And people follow these doctors' advice when they really ought not to. There are good doctors to be found. Natural docs seem to be good. Alot of the Dans! are good. I also feel if people were taught from an early age to manage their own health there wouldnt be this dependency on doctors to be healthy. I dont even have bitterness to big Pharma. Just sadness. It is making people live chronically sick lives, be forever in deep debt. It is destroying the humans and it makes me sad. I wasnt asking you to defend your friend's detox protocol. I was trying to help. Possibly offer a reason. A solution for her or others with similiar experience. Sorry you felt differently. Cheryl > > I understand the bitterness towards Dr.'s, big pharma. I get it. I I have my very own stories about it. > But just like iodine alone won't 'fix' 100%, 100% of Dr.'s are not all evil. > I have a PANDAS Dr. I do trust him. No, I don't have a money tree in my backyard. Nor do I care to defend my friends detox protocol, where she is at, exactly what she did. > I'm just stating an opinion. It has nothing to do with you. It had to do with PANDAS treatment. > I am glad you have found healing. Truly I am. > Best wishes, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 Tammy, That was so well put - Jeanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 Tammy, That was so well put - Jeanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 Tammy, That was so well put - Jeanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 Strep is one of those things that you need to treat with antibiotics, in my opinion. Pamela From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of sunshineanniemSent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 12:06 AMTo: mb12 valtrex Subject: Strep... My 8 year old son Leo who is currently opperating on the Atusim spectrum has strep throat. We have been using the bio medical treatment for four years, we have working on establishing a healthy gut for what seems like a very long time. He constanly battles yeast. I am afriad to give him amoxicillin. I am thinking about treating it naturally with berberine. Many people have told me that " antibiotics are not that big of a deal, just give him probiotics " but thats not true for our kids...right?Any ideas would be greatly appreciated!Thanks,AnnieP.S. Prior to this Leo has been doing realy well- little to no stimming, higher brain functioning, learning to read, developing friendships, gaining weight, loves to eat, loves his family. This last year has brought a lot of growth for Leo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 Strep is one of those things that you need to treat with antibiotics, in my opinion. Pamela From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of sunshineanniemSent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 12:06 AMTo: mb12 valtrex Subject: Strep... My 8 year old son Leo who is currently opperating on the Atusim spectrum has strep throat. We have been using the bio medical treatment for four years, we have working on establishing a healthy gut for what seems like a very long time. He constanly battles yeast. I am afriad to give him amoxicillin. I am thinking about treating it naturally with berberine. Many people have told me that " antibiotics are not that big of a deal, just give him probiotics " but thats not true for our kids...right?Any ideas would be greatly appreciated!Thanks,AnnieP.S. Prior to this Leo has been doing realy well- little to no stimming, higher brain functioning, learning to read, developing friendships, gaining weight, loves to eat, loves his family. This last year has brought a lot of growth for Leo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 Test his immune system to make sure it is functioning properly. Make sure someone in the family is not a Strep carrier. Can even be the family dog. Also, consider PANDAS. Pamela From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of Tasha P.Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 9:28 AMTo: mb12 valtrex Subject: Strep... My 8 year old has also been fighting strep for the past several months. Our ped always gives him Zithromax for it. My son does poorly with Amoxicillin (yeast and behaviors get much worse). His issues always improve on Zithromax but he has high clostridia markers on the OAT so that might be why. The Zithromax cures the strep temporarily for him but it keeps coming back. Our ped said strep throat must be treated with antibiotics to prevent complications. He also said the strep is not just coming back in his body, he keeps picking it up somewhere. This doesn't seem accurate to me because I see the improvement on the Zithromax and then can see the symptoms immediately start creeping back as soon as the antibiotic is finished. I don't know what the best treatment is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 Test his immune system to make sure it is functioning properly. Make sure someone in the family is not a Strep carrier. Can even be the family dog. Also, consider PANDAS. Pamela From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of Tasha P.Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 9:28 AMTo: mb12 valtrex Subject: Strep... My 8 year old has also been fighting strep for the past several months. Our ped always gives him Zithromax for it. My son does poorly with Amoxicillin (yeast and behaviors get much worse). His issues always improve on Zithromax but he has high clostridia markers on the OAT so that might be why. The Zithromax cures the strep temporarily for him but it keeps coming back. Our ped said strep throat must be treated with antibiotics to prevent complications. He also said the strep is not just coming back in his body, he keeps picking it up somewhere. This doesn't seem accurate to me because I see the improvement on the Zithromax and then can see the symptoms immediately start creeping back as soon as the antibiotic is finished. I don't know what the best treatment is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 what test do you run to see if you are a strep carrier? > > Test his immune system to make sure it is functioning properly. Make sure > someone in the family is not a Strep carrier. Can even be the family dog. > Also, consider PANDAS. > > > > Pamela > > > > From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On > Behalf Of Tasha P. > Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 9:28 AM > To: mb12 valtrex > Subject: Strep... > > > > > > My 8 year old has also been fighting strep for the past several months. Our > ped always gives him Zithromax for it. My son does poorly with Amoxicillin > (yeast and behaviors get much worse). His issues always improve on Zithromax > but he has high clostridia markers on the OAT so that might be why. The > Zithromax cures the strep temporarily for him but it keeps coming back. Our > ped said strep throat must be treated with antibiotics to prevent > complications. He also said the strep is not just coming back in his body, > he keeps picking it up somewhere. This doesn't seem accurate to me because I > see the improvement on the Zithromax and then can see the symptoms > immediately start creeping back as soon as the antibiotic is finished. I > don't know what the best treatment is. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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