Guest guest Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Whoa. Yeah, the part about enjoying the attention and the " status of illness " sounds just like my nada. My T wondered allowed if she either neglected herself or hurt herself intentionally when she was pregnant with my little brother who died. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 11:39 PM, anuria67854 wrote: > > > Excerpt from the article " The Last Frontier: Myths and the Female > Psychopathic Killer " > > " In November 1997, the Journal of Pediatrics published the results of a > terrifying experiment; doctors at several hospitals in Great Britain had > decided to covertly videotape 39 parents –most of them mothers– whom medical > personnel had begun to suspect were deliberately bringing their young > children to the brink of death (Southall et al., 1997). > > In 30 of the 39 cases, the parents were observed intentionally suffocating > their children; in two they were seen attempting to poison a child; in a > third, the mother under surveillance deliberately broke her 3-month-old > daughter's arm. Many of the > parents seemed as methodical and as brazen, as scoured of fear or > conscience, as any serial killer. " Abuse was inflicted without provocation > and with premeditation, and in some instances, involved elaborate and > plausible lies to explain consequences " (Southall et > al., 1997). > > For example, one mother claimed that she had suffocated her son because of > stress related to his crying and continually waking her from sleep. However, > under surveillance, the mother was seen, with premeditated planning, to > suffocate her infant when he was deeply asleep. The majority of other cases > showed attempted suffocation when the child was asleep or lying passively on > the bed. > > The disturbing feature was that these were women (and a few men) who > masqueraded as good parents, the sort who rushed their children to the > emergency room when they had trouble breathing, and stood by them with > fortitude and devotion while the doctors puzzled out what was wrong. They > were conning; they could give the appearance of the concerned mom the minute > a doctor or nurse walked in the room, enjoy the social prestige of a > mysterious disease, the proximity to powerful > medical professionals, they liked the attention and the drama—the wail of > the sirens, the adrenalin rush of the emergency room > (Brown, n.d.). > > With further investigation, it turned out that the 39 patients under > surveillance, ages 1 month to nearly 3 years old, had 41 siblings, and that > 12 of those siblings had died suddenly and unexpectedly. " > **** > > Sadly, it seems that the only way to really protect children from parental > abuse is to have them under camera surveillance everywhere, 24/7. > > -Annie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Isn't that " Munchausen by proxy " ? Where they hurt their children to get attention and sympathy for themselves? Is that a part of BPD? I know my nada took me to the doctor a lot when I was little but I don't know why. As I grew up she told me I had all these horrible health problems but I don't remember feeling particularly unhealthy (I do have a weird heart rhythm but that's all). Now I think she's sabotaging her own health to get attention. Losing weight but the doctors can't find a problem. Makes me wonder if she's throwing out all the food she buys at the grocery store. She loves going to the ER, smiles, laughs, talks about what a good time she's having and she adores the " good looking " ambulance guys and firefighters. Excuse me, I think I'll go throw up now. LOL > > The disturbing feature was that these were women (and a few men) who masqueraded as good parents, the sort who rushed their children to the emergency room when they had trouble breathing, and stood by them with fortitude and devotion while the doctors puzzled out what was wrong. They were conning; they could give the appearance of the concerned mom the minute a doctor or nurse walked in the room, enjoy the social prestige of a mysterious disease, the proximity to powerful > medical professionals, they liked the attention and the drama—the wail of the sirens, the adrenalin rush of the emergency room > (Brown, n.d.). > -Annie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Yes: claiming that your child is ill or even creating illness or injury to your child in order to get attention and sympathy from doctors is called " Factitious Disorder by proxy " but is better known by its older name " Munchausen's By Proxy Syndrome " . According to the article I read, the current opinion in the psychological community is that these behaviors happen when the parent has psychopathic traits and histrionic traits. Statistically, its the mothers who do this. The mother craves attention for herself (histrionic) and feels no compunction about using or even harming her child to get the attention she craves (psychopathy.) " Factitious disorders are conditions in which a person *acts* as if he or she has an illness by deliberately producing, feigning, or exaggerating symptoms. Factitious disorder by proxy is a condition in which a person deliberately produces, feigns, or exaggerates symptoms in a person who is in their care.... People with this condition may produce symptoms by contaminating urine samples, taking hallucinogens, injecting themselves with bacteria to produce infections, and other such similar behaviour. People with this condition might be motivated to perpetrate factitious disorders either as a patient or by proxy as a caregiver to gain any variety of benefits including attention, nurturance, sympathy, and leniency that are unobtainable any other way. " -Annie > > > > > > The disturbing feature was that these were women (and a few men) who masqueraded as good parents, the sort who rushed their children to the emergency room when they had trouble breathing, and stood by them with fortitude and devotion while the doctors puzzled out what was wrong. They were conning; they could give the appearance of the concerned mom the minute a doctor or nurse walked in the room, enjoy the social prestige of a mysterious disease, the proximity to powerful > > medical professionals, they liked the attention and the drama—the wail of the sirens, the adrenalin rush of the emergency room > > (Brown, n.d.). > > > > -Annie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Yes: claiming that your child is ill or even creating illness or injury to your child in order to get attention and sympathy from doctors is called " Factitious Disorder by proxy " but is better known by its older name " Munchausen's By Proxy Syndrome " . According to the article I read, the current opinion in the psychological community is that these behaviors happen when the parent has psychopathic traits and histrionic traits. Statistically, its the mothers who do this. The mother craves attention for herself (histrionic) and feels no compunction about using or even harming her child to get the attention she craves (psychopathy.) " Factitious disorders are conditions in which a person *acts* as if he or she has an illness by deliberately producing, feigning, or exaggerating symptoms. Factitious disorder by proxy is a condition in which a person deliberately produces, feigns, or exaggerates symptoms in a person who is in their care.... People with this condition may produce symptoms by contaminating urine samples, taking hallucinogens, injecting themselves with bacteria to produce infections, and other such similar behaviour. People with this condition might be motivated to perpetrate factitious disorders either as a patient or by proxy as a caregiver to gain any variety of benefits including attention, nurturance, sympathy, and leniency that are unobtainable any other way. " -Annie > > > > > > The disturbing feature was that these were women (and a few men) who masqueraded as good parents, the sort who rushed their children to the emergency room when they had trouble breathing, and stood by them with fortitude and devotion while the doctors puzzled out what was wrong. They were conning; they could give the appearance of the concerned mom the minute a doctor or nurse walked in the room, enjoy the social prestige of a mysterious disease, the proximity to powerful > > medical professionals, they liked the attention and the drama—the wail of the sirens, the adrenalin rush of the emergency room > > (Brown, n.d.). > > > > -Annie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Yes: claiming that your child is ill or even creating illness or injury to your child in order to get attention and sympathy from doctors is called " Factitious Disorder by proxy " but is better known by its older name " Munchausen's By Proxy Syndrome " . According to the article I read, the current opinion in the psychological community is that these behaviors happen when the parent has psychopathic traits and histrionic traits. Statistically, its the mothers who do this. The mother craves attention for herself (histrionic) and feels no compunction about using or even harming her child to get the attention she craves (psychopathy.) " Factitious disorders are conditions in which a person *acts* as if he or she has an illness by deliberately producing, feigning, or exaggerating symptoms. Factitious disorder by proxy is a condition in which a person deliberately produces, feigns, or exaggerates symptoms in a person who is in their care.... People with this condition may produce symptoms by contaminating urine samples, taking hallucinogens, injecting themselves with bacteria to produce infections, and other such similar behaviour. People with this condition might be motivated to perpetrate factitious disorders either as a patient or by proxy as a caregiver to gain any variety of benefits including attention, nurturance, sympathy, and leniency that are unobtainable any other way. " -Annie > > > > > > The disturbing feature was that these were women (and a few men) who masqueraded as good parents, the sort who rushed their children to the emergency room when they had trouble breathing, and stood by them with fortitude and devotion while the doctors puzzled out what was wrong. They were conning; they could give the appearance of the concerned mom the minute a doctor or nurse walked in the room, enjoy the social prestige of a mysterious disease, the proximity to powerful > > medical professionals, they liked the attention and the drama—the wail of the sirens, the adrenalin rush of the emergency room > > (Brown, n.d.). > > > > -Annie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Well... it really depends on *why* your nada was stealing and ingesting her pet dog's antibiotics. " Factitious Disorder " is about claiming to be ill, exaggerating symptoms, or deliberately making yourself ill in order to get attention and care from doctors and sympathy from friends and loved ones. " Factitious Disorder by Proxy " is about making someone else ill for that purpose. So, if ingesting the antibiotics made your nada ill so she could go see her doctor or go to the emergency room for treatment (and attention and sympathy) then, it may be due to " factitious disorder. " " Hypochondria " is about genuinely believing that your health is fragile and being terrified that illness will kill you. Minor things like a cold are interpreted as life-threatening pneumonia. A pimple is interpreted as skin cancer. If your nada truly believed that she needed the dog's antibiotics to keep herself alive, then she is probably a " hypochondriac " . True hypochondriacs are living in constant high anxiety; I find them kind of pathetic. Those with factitious disorder know that they're not ill, but they're trying hard to *appear* ill or injured in order to get attention, care and sympathy. This is a seriously dangerous disorder when its " by proxy " , because there is a high death rate for the poor little helpless victims: the children of these severely mentally ill people are in great danger from their own parents who are willing to smother or poison or brutalize their baby in order to gain sympathy for themselves as " the poor suffering mother of a sick or dying child. " -Annie > > Hey Annie, do you think stealing the dog's antibiotics and taking them > yourself would fit this disorder? Because I certainly caught my nada doing > that and she was smug and proud of herself and fought with me when I said > she shouldn't. > > I always found that horrifying. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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