Re: Why am I tired, why can't I think?

[Guest guest]

Very good info, where is the data??????????

rheumatic Why am I tired, why can't I think?

> Hi Gang! Geoff here.

>

> Guess today's my day. The RBF site has this tidbit which may be very

> helpful for the more analytical amongst us

>

> From : http://www.roadback.org/about/protocol.shtml

>

> Disease Characteristics

>

> The toxic substances characteristically present in inflamed tissues as

well

> as toxins from organism die-off escape into the blood stream and are

> transported to the liver where they are destroyed. As they pass through

the

> system, they react at the point of greatest antigen accumulation and may

> affect the body in a devastating fashion because of their persistence:

>

> in the bone marrow, these toxic materials interfere with

> formation

> of blood and therefore anemia is commonly observed in severe

> rheumatoid arthritis and cannot be corrected until the disease

> has

> improved

>

> in the central nervous system these toxins promote depression,

> inability

> to concentrate, loss of memory, loss of interest in one's

> vocational effort,

> mental irritability and epiloidal type seizures

>

> in the muscular system these toxins are responsible for

excessive

> fatigue

> and persistent weakness which is difficult to overcome by

> physical means

>

> gland functions are also depressed

>

> there is an effect upon the digestive system and many other

basic

> physiological processes

>

> every organ system may be involved at one time or another

>

> Those patients in whom arthritis has a severe onset but in whom it

subsides

> rapidly without residual change and who subsequently have recurrent,

similar

> episodes, seem to be less likely to develop destructive joint changes than

> patients in whom the onset is gradual with smoldering involvement. In the

> course of time, through the continuity of the antimycoplasma treatment

> method, there is a gradual reduction in the many sites of joint

inflammation

> and the toxic substances generally diminish.

>

> Geoff

> soli Deo gloria

>

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[Guest guest]

Gincur wrote:

> > Disease Characteristics (snip)

> Very good info, where is the data??????????

To what data are you referring? If you are asking for detailed chemical

(re)actions, you will need to contact the RBF folks

(http://www.roadback.org/about/protocol.shtml) who were kind enough to

publish the information posted.

Geoff

soli Deo gloria

www.HealingYou.org - Your nonprofit source for remedies and aids in fighting

these diseases, information on weaning from drugs, and nutritional kits for

repairing damage; 100% volunteer staffed.

[Guest guest]

l am asking for documentation. l went on the RB page and found nothing to

document what they were saying. l do a lot of research and always use

documentation to varify the statements that are being made.(not chemical

reactions) thanks anyways. Message -----

From: " Geoff " <geoff@...>

<gincur@...>; " RA Support Group " <rheumatic >

Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 5:09 PM

Subject: Re: rheumatic Why am I tired, why can't I think?

> Gincur wrote:

>

> > > Disease Characteristics (snip)

>

> > Very good info, where is the data??????????

>

> To what data are you referring? If you are asking for detailed chemical

> (re)actions, you will need to contact the RBF folks

> (http://www.roadback.org/about/protocol.shtml) who were kind enough to

> publish the information posted.

>

> Geoff

> soli Deo gloria

>

> www.HealingYou.org - Your nonprofit source for remedies and aids in

fighting

> these diseases, information on weaning from drugs, and nutritional kits

for

> repairing damage; 100% volunteer staffed.

>

>

>

>

> To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Gincur wrote:

> l am asking for documentation. l went on the RB page and found nothing to

> document what they were saying. l do a lot of research and always use

> documentation to varify the statements that are being made.

I understand. In that case you will have to contact the RBF privately; I

merely posted the information for our edification, replete with hyperlink.

Beyond that, the research is yours, or theirs, or many others as may be

appropriate. From my point of view, it is somewhat relieving to see some

information explaining in lay terms what we as a group experience in terms

of real life. I plead guilty to giving RBF a " free ride " on their posted

information, rather than " calling them on it, " thus impugning them.

Not to be discouraging, but FWIW what you seem to be seeking is life-cycle

information on the various mycoplasma BTB associated with these diseases and

the chemical reactions in re same. If that is correct, your desire could

well encompass several lifetimes of research, depending on the level of

minutiae you require. At minimum I would anticipate your spending not less

than 30 8-hour days on the Internet gathering volumes of data from various

Universities, medical and research institutions dating back at least 20

years in a field that is still currently under hot and active research and

requisite debate with new information emerging almost daily. It appears

like a huge undertaking to me, and you have my sincere best wishes for a

successful search to whatever degree of completeness you wish. There are

several very " detail oriented " people on this list that will doubtless

appreciate and benefit from your endeavor.

Geoff

soli Deo gloria

www.HealingYou.org - Your nonprofit source for remedies and aids in fighting

these diseases, information on weaning from drugs, and nutritional kits for

repairing damage; 100% volunteer staffed.

[Guest guest]

Gincur wrote:

> l am asking for documentation. l went on the RB page and found nothing to

> document what they were saying. l do a lot of research and always use

> documentation to varify the statements that are being made.

I understand. In that case you will have to contact the RBF privately; I

merely posted the information for our edification, replete with hyperlink.

Beyond that, the research is yours, or theirs, or many others as may be

appropriate. From my point of view, it is somewhat relieving to see some

information explaining in lay terms what we as a group experience in terms

of real life. I plead guilty to giving RBF a " free ride " on their posted

information, rather than " calling them on it, " thus impugning them.

Not to be discouraging, but FWIW you seem to be seeking life-cycle

information on the various mycoplasma BTB associated with these diseases and

the chemical reactions in re same, which is the documentation that would

support the information RBF posted. If that is correct, your desire could

well encompass several lifetimes of research, depending on the level of

minutiae you require. At minimum I would anticipate your spending not less

than a few days getting the most minimal life cycle data as to how they are

found, what cell-wall deficient organisms generally seem to do, etc., and if

minimally more detailed information is required, not less than 30 8-hour

days on the Internet gathering volumes of data from various Universities,

medical and research institutions dating back at least 20 years in a field

that is still currently under hot and active research and requisite debate

with new information emerging almost daily. Cell-wall deficient organisms

are not at all well understood. Even a large organism like the previously

believed-to-be-well-known Candida Albicans yeast has only recently been

found to have a hydra state in which its tentacles can puncture the lining

of the intestinal tract thus opening it to passage of undigested foods into

the bloodstream and from that lending credence to the concept of yeast

overgrowth and LGS (Leaky Gut Syndrome.) Contrast that with trying to

research something as small and evasive as any of the many mycoplasma found

only recently with any degree of affirmation thanks to the technological

advances making the location of pieces of stray DNA flowing loose in the

host being identifiable as belonging to the mycoplasma and you have a sense

of the difficulty involved, and thus the volumes of information through

which you may need to wade.

It would appear to me that this will be a huge undertaking, and you have my

sincere best wishes for a successful search to whatever degree of

completeness you wish. There are several very " detail oriented " people on

this list that will doubtless appreciate and benefit from your endeavor.

Geoff

soli Deo gloria

www.HealingYou.org - Your nonprofit source for remedies and aids in fighting

these diseases, information on weaning from drugs, and nutritional kits for

repairing damage; 100% volunteer staffed.