Re: Keeping an Eye Open...taste memory

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I'm wordy today... For me the taste memory thing is about craving a food

experience that I've had in the past and wanting the whole experience to happen

just because I'm eating that food. I remember the perfect cheeseburger I had at

the end of a long retreat one time. Whenever I order a cheeseburger, it's

really THAT cheeseburger I want.

When I eat chocolate cake with ice cream, I want the cake and ice cream

experience I used to have when I was, say, eight. It's not that way with all

foods, but there are some foods that carry a lot of memories and emotions with

them that I am trying to re-enact by eating that food. Definitely not a body

hunger thing; but maybe, sometimes, a soul hunger thing. Or just an, I don't

want to be feeling these feelings - I want to be feeling THOSE feelings thing.

Humans are complicated.

Sandarah

> >

> > Thinking of the desire for a food (usually outside of physical need) as the

memory of having had pleasant sensations with it before -- this very

interesting. 

> >

> > It brings me a question: remembering the taste and sensations from before,

wanting it again, remembering that when I had that before I wanted more and more

and couldn't stop and ate too much of it, unwisely..... is it possible that it

*might* be better just not to start on that one? Is it possible my intuition is

telling me not to go there?

> >

> > Ellie

>

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Done - Katcha

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> > > Thinking of the desire for a food (usually outside of physical need) as

the memory of having had pleasant sensations with it before -- this very

interesting.Â

> > >

> > > It brings me a question: remembering the taste and sensations from before,

wanting it again, remembering that when I had that before I wanted more and more

and couldn't stop and ate too much of it, unwisely..... is it possible that it

*might* be better just not to start on that one? Is it possible my intuition is

telling me not to go there?

> > >

> > > Ellie

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Done - Katcha

> > >

> > > Thinking of the desire for a food (usually outside of physical need) as

the memory of having had pleasant sensations with it before -- this very

interesting.Â

> > >

> > > It brings me a question: remembering the taste and sensations from before,

wanting it again, remembering that when I had that before I wanted more and more

and couldn't stop and ate too much of it, unwisely..... is it possible that it

*might* be better just not to start on that one? Is it possible my intuition is

telling me not to go there?

> > >

> > > Ellie

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Done - Katcha

> > >

> > > Thinking of the desire for a food (usually outside of physical need) as

the memory of having had pleasant sensations with it before -- this very

interesting.Â

> > >

> > > It brings me a question: remembering the taste and sensations from before,

wanting it again, remembering that when I had that before I wanted more and more

and couldn't stop and ate too much of it, unwisely..... is it possible that it

*might* be better just not to start on that one? Is it possible my intuition is

telling me not to go there?

> > >

> > > Ellie

> >

>

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I just want another snickerdoodle because they taste and feel good and the one I just ate is gone. Repeat until all are gone.Ellie To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Friday, December 9, 2011 12:35 PM Subject: Re: Keeping an Eye Open...taste memory

I'm wordy today... For me the taste memory thing is about craving a food experience that I've had in the past and wanting the whole experience to happen just because I'm eating that food. I remember the perfect cheeseburger I had at the end of a long retreat one time. Whenever I order a cheeseburger, it's really THAT cheeseburger I want.

When I eat chocolate cake with ice cream, I want the cake and ice cream experience I used to have when I was, say, eight. It's not that way with all foods, but there are some foods that carry a lot of memories and emotions with them that I am trying to re-enact by eating that food. Definitely not a body hunger thing; but maybe, sometimes, a soul hunger thing. Or just an, I don't want to be feeling these feelings - I want to be feeling THOSE feelings thing.

Humans are complicated.

Sandarah

> >

> > Thinking of the desire for a food (usually outside of physical need) as the memory of having had pleasant sensations with it before -- this very interesting.Â

> >

> > It brings me a question: remembering the taste and sensations from before, wanting it again, remembering that when I had that before I wanted more and more and couldn't stop and ate too much of it, unwisely..... is it possible that it *might* be better just not to start on that one? Is it possible my intuition is telling me not to go there?

> >

> > Ellie

>

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I just want another snickerdoodle because they taste and feel good and the one I just ate is gone. Repeat until all are gone.Ellie To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Friday, December 9, 2011 12:35 PM Subject: Re: Keeping an Eye Open...taste memory

I'm wordy today... For me the taste memory thing is about craving a food experience that I've had in the past and wanting the whole experience to happen just because I'm eating that food. I remember the perfect cheeseburger I had at the end of a long retreat one time. Whenever I order a cheeseburger, it's really THAT cheeseburger I want.

When I eat chocolate cake with ice cream, I want the cake and ice cream experience I used to have when I was, say, eight. It's not that way with all foods, but there are some foods that carry a lot of memories and emotions with them that I am trying to re-enact by eating that food. Definitely not a body hunger thing; but maybe, sometimes, a soul hunger thing. Or just an, I don't want to be feeling these feelings - I want to be feeling THOSE feelings thing.

Humans are complicated.

Sandarah

> >

> > Thinking of the desire for a food (usually outside of physical need) as the memory of having had pleasant sensations with it before -- this very interesting.Â

> >

> > It brings me a question: remembering the taste and sensations from before, wanting it again, remembering that when I had that before I wanted more and more and couldn't stop and ate too much of it, unwisely..... is it possible that it *might* be better just not to start on that one? Is it possible my intuition is telling me not to go there?

> >

> > Ellie

>

[Guest guest]

I just want another snickerdoodle because they taste and feel good and the one I just ate is gone. Repeat until all are gone.Ellie To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Friday, December 9, 2011 12:35 PM Subject: Re: Keeping an Eye Open...taste memory

I'm wordy today... For me the taste memory thing is about craving a food experience that I've had in the past and wanting the whole experience to happen just because I'm eating that food. I remember the perfect cheeseburger I had at the end of a long retreat one time. Whenever I order a cheeseburger, it's really THAT cheeseburger I want.

When I eat chocolate cake with ice cream, I want the cake and ice cream experience I used to have when I was, say, eight. It's not that way with all foods, but there are some foods that carry a lot of memories and emotions with them that I am trying to re-enact by eating that food. Definitely not a body hunger thing; but maybe, sometimes, a soul hunger thing. Or just an, I don't want to be feeling these feelings - I want to be feeling THOSE feelings thing.

Humans are complicated.

Sandarah

> >

> > Thinking of the desire for a food (usually outside of physical need) as the memory of having had pleasant sensations with it before -- this very interesting.Â

> >

> > It brings me a question: remembering the taste and sensations from before, wanting it again, remembering that when I had that before I wanted more and more and couldn't stop and ate too much of it, unwisely..... is it possible that it *might* be better just not to start on that one? Is it possible my intuition is telling me not to go there?

> >

> > Ellie

>

[Guest guest]

That makes so much sense! I tend to crave foods associated with good memories,

like the cookies my mom always made or the pb & j I used to eat at Grandma's

house, the cheesecake I ate on my first anniversary or the dumplings I had on my

birthday in China. It makes sense that the memory of a food would contribute to

it's appeal just as more (or more than) it's actual taste.

> > >

> > > Thinking of the desire for a food (usually outside of physical need) as

the memory of having had pleasant sensations with it before -- this very

interesting. 

> > >

> > > It brings me a question: remembering the taste and sensations from before,

wanting it again, remembering that when I had that before I wanted more and more

and couldn't stop and ate too much of it, unwisely..... is it possible that it

*might* be better just not to start on that one? Is it possible my intuition is

telling me not to go there?

> > >

> > > Ellie

> >

>

[Guest guest]

That makes so much sense! I tend to crave foods associated with good memories,

like the cookies my mom always made or the pb & j I used to eat at Grandma's

house, the cheesecake I ate on my first anniversary or the dumplings I had on my

birthday in China. It makes sense that the memory of a food would contribute to

it's appeal just as more (or more than) it's actual taste.

> > >

> > > Thinking of the desire for a food (usually outside of physical need) as

the memory of having had pleasant sensations with it before -- this very

interesting. 

> > >

> > > It brings me a question: remembering the taste and sensations from before,

wanting it again, remembering that when I had that before I wanted more and more

and couldn't stop and ate too much of it, unwisely..... is it possible that it

*might* be better just not to start on that one? Is it possible my intuition is

telling me not to go there?

> > >

> > > Ellie

> >

>

[Guest guest]

That makes so much sense! I tend to crave foods associated with good memories,

like the cookies my mom always made or the pb & j I used to eat at Grandma's

house, the cheesecake I ate on my first anniversary or the dumplings I had on my

birthday in China. It makes sense that the memory of a food would contribute to

it's appeal just as more (or more than) it's actual taste.

> > >

> > > Thinking of the desire for a food (usually outside of physical need) as

the memory of having had pleasant sensations with it before -- this very

interesting. 

> > >

> > > It brings me a question: remembering the taste and sensations from before,

wanting it again, remembering that when I had that before I wanted more and more

and couldn't stop and ate too much of it, unwisely..... is it possible that it

*might* be better just not to start on that one? Is it possible my intuition is

telling me not to go there?

> > >

> > > Ellie

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Repeat until you are sick! (ha ha) You may want to check out the legalizing

suggestion in Overcoming Overeating where the supply of 'charged' foods NEVER

stops. (you stock up and keep it plentiful) As long as any food holds a

'charged' value for you, it keeps you in diet mentality over it.

Peace with food can and does happen.

Katcha

IEing since March 2007

(PS I get your ironic humor over this - it really is a speed bump in the IE

journey for most of us)

>

> I just want another snickerdoodle because they taste and feel good and the one

I just ate is gone. Repeat until all are gone.

>

> Ellie

[Guest guest]

Repeat until you are sick! (ha ha) You may want to check out the legalizing

suggestion in Overcoming Overeating where the supply of 'charged' foods NEVER

stops. (you stock up and keep it plentiful) As long as any food holds a

'charged' value for you, it keeps you in diet mentality over it.

Peace with food can and does happen.

Katcha

IEing since March 2007

(PS I get your ironic humor over this - it really is a speed bump in the IE

journey for most of us)

>

> I just want another snickerdoodle because they taste and feel good and the one

I just ate is gone. Repeat until all are gone.

>

> Ellie

[Guest guest]

Repeat until you are sick! (ha ha) You may want to check out the legalizing

suggestion in Overcoming Overeating where the supply of 'charged' foods NEVER

stops. (you stock up and keep it plentiful) As long as any food holds a

'charged' value for you, it keeps you in diet mentality over it.

Peace with food can and does happen.

Katcha

IEing since March 2007

(PS I get your ironic humor over this - it really is a speed bump in the IE

journey for most of us)

>

> I just want another snickerdoodle because they taste and feel good and the one

I just ate is gone. Repeat until all are gone.

>

> Ellie

[Guest guest]

I forget whether I've read OO or not. I was on a list for awhile. I gained weight.... the heaviest I've ever been.But it just occurred to me..... having "charged" foods available doesn't mean I have to *eat* them. It's still my own choice. Neither eating them nor not eating them is an obligation.Ellie From: jain_daugh

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 11:30 AM Subject: Re: Keeping an Eye Open...taste memory

Repeat until you are sick! (ha ha) You may want to check out the legalizing suggestion in Overcoming Overeating where the supply of 'charged' foods NEVER stops. (you stock up and keep it plentiful) As long as any food holds a 'charged' value for you, it keeps you in diet mentality over it.

Peace with food can and does happen.

Katcha

IEing since March 2007

(PS I get your ironic humor over this - it really is a speed bump in the IE journey for most of us)

>

> I just want another snickerdoodle because they taste and feel good and the one I just ate is gone. Repeat until all are gone.

>

> Ellie

[Guest guest]

I forget whether I've read OO or not. I was on a list for awhile. I gained weight.... the heaviest I've ever been.But it just occurred to me..... having "charged" foods available doesn't mean I have to *eat* them. It's still my own choice. Neither eating them nor not eating them is an obligation.Ellie From: jain_daugh

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 11:30 AM Subject: Re: Keeping an Eye Open...taste memory

Repeat until you are sick! (ha ha) You may want to check out the legalizing suggestion in Overcoming Overeating where the supply of 'charged' foods NEVER stops. (you stock up and keep it plentiful) As long as any food holds a 'charged' value for you, it keeps you in diet mentality over it.

Peace with food can and does happen.

Katcha

IEing since March 2007

(PS I get your ironic humor over this - it really is a speed bump in the IE journey for most of us)

>

> I just want another snickerdoodle because they taste and feel good and the one I just ate is gone. Repeat until all are gone.

>

> Ellie

[Guest guest]

I forget whether I've read OO or not. I was on a list for awhile. I gained weight.... the heaviest I've ever been.But it just occurred to me..... having "charged" foods available doesn't mean I have to *eat* them. It's still my own choice. Neither eating them nor not eating them is an obligation.Ellie From: jain_daugh

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 11:30 AM Subject: Re: Keeping an Eye Open...taste memory

Repeat until you are sick! (ha ha) You may want to check out the legalizing suggestion in Overcoming Overeating where the supply of 'charged' foods NEVER stops. (you stock up and keep it plentiful) As long as any food holds a 'charged' value for you, it keeps you in diet mentality over it.

Peace with food can and does happen.

Katcha

IEing since March 2007

(PS I get your ironic humor over this - it really is a speed bump in the IE journey for most of us)

>

> I just want another snickerdoodle because they taste and feel good and the one I just ate is gone. Repeat until all are gone.

>

> Ellie

[Guest guest]

I dunno; I agree with whoever said it to me some time back about the M & M binge

I was on. I don't have to torment myself by having certain foods in my face all

of the time. I have permission to have them, but some foods, I'm gonna have to

drive somewhere and get them.

I like to have a little space between me and the habit of eating just to eat. I

gained a ton of weight on OO and so did practically everyone who was posting on

the site when I was on it.

Legalizing in OO seemed to be legal bingeing with no balance between having a

cupboard full of everything that was formerly forbidden and buying larger and

larger and larger pants to accommodate food being legal. I don't want to go

back there either. I'll just keep the M & M's in the store until and unless I

decide that I'm actually hungry for them.

Sandarah

>

> I forget whether I've read OO or not. I was on a list for awhile. I gained

weight.... the heaviest I've ever been.

>

> But it just occurred to me..... having " charged " foods available doesn't mean

I have to *eat* them. It's still my own choice. Neither eating them nor not

eating them is an obligation.

>

[Guest guest]

I dunno; I agree with whoever said it to me some time back about the M & M binge

I was on. I don't have to torment myself by having certain foods in my face all

of the time. I have permission to have them, but some foods, I'm gonna have to

drive somewhere and get them.

I like to have a little space between me and the habit of eating just to eat. I

gained a ton of weight on OO and so did practically everyone who was posting on

the site when I was on it.

Legalizing in OO seemed to be legal bingeing with no balance between having a

cupboard full of everything that was formerly forbidden and buying larger and

larger and larger pants to accommodate food being legal. I don't want to go

back there either. I'll just keep the M & M's in the store until and unless I

decide that I'm actually hungry for them.

Sandarah

>

> I forget whether I've read OO or not. I was on a list for awhile. I gained

weight.... the heaviest I've ever been.

>

> But it just occurred to me..... having " charged " foods available doesn't mean

I have to *eat* them. It's still my own choice. Neither eating them nor not

eating them is an obligation.

>

[Guest guest]

I dunno; I agree with whoever said it to me some time back about the M & M binge

I was on. I don't have to torment myself by having certain foods in my face all

of the time. I have permission to have them, but some foods, I'm gonna have to

drive somewhere and get them.

I like to have a little space between me and the habit of eating just to eat. I

gained a ton of weight on OO and so did practically everyone who was posting on

the site when I was on it.

Legalizing in OO seemed to be legal bingeing with no balance between having a

cupboard full of everything that was formerly forbidden and buying larger and

larger and larger pants to accommodate food being legal. I don't want to go

back there either. I'll just keep the M & M's in the store until and unless I

decide that I'm actually hungry for them.

Sandarah

>

> I forget whether I've read OO or not. I was on a list for awhile. I gained

weight.... the heaviest I've ever been.

>

> But it just occurred to me..... having " charged " foods available doesn't mean

I have to *eat* them. It's still my own choice. Neither eating them nor not

eating them is an obligation.

>

[Guest guest]

I used to feel like that (not having stuff in the house) but I decided that

since I was no longer going to weigh myself that I would try to always have

yummy treats readily available, and it really didn't take all that long for them

to lose their magic. I have some of my all-time favorites--like pecan

pie--actually in the house, and it is really nice knowing that I can have some

of it whenever I want. It's still really delicious, and I know that it's a food

that I trully love, but it's just that. Nothing more. No special power at all.

But I think a huge part of that no longer having special power is that it's

there.

A funny thing is that for some reason, that losing of power has extended out

into the rat of the world. I go to a party, and I can look very objectively at

all the sweets and decide if I really want any of them. I have to admit that

almost nothing compares to my pecan pie in the freezer. Maybe a slice of

chocolate cheesecake (but not too much, since chocolate really does give me

migraines), but that might be about it. This is a totally new feeling for me.

Also, I know that when this discussion went around before I said that I only

bought my boys chips if they would agree to keep that in the pantry and not on

top of the fridge where I'd be tempted to grab a handful every time I walk

through the kitchen. Well, they're on the fridge now, and I hardly ever have

any. A few times I've gotten a few, but they didn't really taste all that

great, especially compared to.....(fill that in with anything that you're

currently finding really delicious--for me it was a chicken sandwich on sesame

bread with sweet relish), so why bother.

That's really it, then. When you allow yourself to always eat what you really

want to eat (chocolate cheesecake and all), then you have no desire to eat the

things you don't really want to eat, but used to always eat. I know that,s what

folks have been saying all along, but I don't think I ever truly believed it

until this moment. Wow.

My partner and I came home from a party last night where I didn't overeat at all

(very likely a first), and we're both thinking that we needed fruit, so we drove

to a 24 hour grocery store and bought clementines which I really wanted and

pomegranates which he really wanted.

I am encouraged.

Tilley

> >

> > I forget whether I've read OO or not. I was on a list for awhile. I gained

weight.... the heaviest I've ever been.

> >

> > But it just occurred to me..... having " charged " foods available doesn't

mean I have to *eat* them. It's still my own choice. Neither eating them nor not

eating them is an obligation.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Wow, Tilley, this post sounds great. Wasn't it just a week or so ago you wrote one titled "I'm So Discouraged?" This is great!Ellie To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 11:00 PM

Subject: Re: Keeping an Eye Open...taste memory

I used to feel like that (not having stuff in the house) but I decided that since I was no longer going to weigh myself that I would try to always have yummy treats readily available, and it really didn't take all that long for them to lose their magic. I have some of my all-time favorites--like pecan pie--actually in the house, and it is really nice knowing that I can have some of it whenever I want. It's still really delicious, and I know that it's a food that I trully love, but it's just that. Nothing more. No special power at all. But I think a huge part of that no longer having special power is that it's there.

A funny thing is that for some reason, that losing of power has extended out into the rat of the world. I go to a party, and I can look very objectively at all the sweets and decide if I really want any of them. I have to admit that almost nothing compares to my pecan pie in the freezer. Maybe a slice of chocolate cheesecake (but not too much, since chocolate really does give me migraines), but that might be about it. This is a totally new feeling for me. Also, I know that when this discussion went around before I said that I only bought my boys chips if they would agree to keep that in the pantry and not on top of the fridge where I'd be tempted to grab a handful every time I walk through the kitchen. Well, they're on the fridge now, and I hardly ever have any. A few times I've gotten a few, but they didn't really taste all that great, especially compared to.....(fill that in with anything that you're currently finding really delicious--for me it

was a chicken sandwich on sesame bread with sweet relish), so why bother.

That's really it, then. When you allow yourself to always eat what you really want to eat (chocolate cheesecake and all), then you have no desire to eat the things you don't really want to eat, but used to always eat. I know that,s what folks have been saying all along, but I don't think I ever truly believed it until this moment. Wow.

My partner and I came home from a party last night where I didn't overeat at all (very likely a first), and we're both thinking that we needed fruit, so we drove to a 24 hour grocery store and bought clementines which I really wanted and pomegranates which he really wanted.

I am encouraged.

Tilley