Guest guest Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Hi,Im about 8 mos in to IE as a way of life, and I can say from experience that initial binging as u described sometimes happens, but it's not a sign that IE isn't working/effective. Look inside yourself to the moments immediately before, during n after the binge. What were u thinking or/and feeling? What can u learn from this experience? I tend to do a mind/body scan before n after each course to see where im at in relation to the food n the world around me. I have also learned that it is a gradual process of getting used to eating all foods in different combinations without the diet-mindset of shame and guilt surrounding each food item. These things take time! Best wishes to u on your journey, Kerry.Sent from my Android phone on T-Mobile. America’s first nationwide 4G network.----- Reply message -----To: <IntuitiveEating_Support >Subject: get past a bingeDate: Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:32 amhey everyone i dont know if anyone else posts their personal failures (or successes) but i have no one else to talk about this to( i cant tell my husband Im on a non-diet, he will be apalled) anyways last night i ate an entire box of peanut butter wafers covered in white chocolate. and i was NOT hungry. i just cant get over it. im so angry i feel like i want to rip soemthing up and yell. im going to the gym now with this full stomach like a rock. arrrgggfeel like a failure and have shall we say very negative feelings towards self right nowwhy would i binge when i am allowed to eat anything anyway????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Hi,Im about 8 mos in to IE as a way of life, and I can say from experience that initial binging as u described sometimes happens, but it's not a sign that IE isn't working/effective. Look inside yourself to the moments immediately before, during n after the binge. What were u thinking or/and feeling? What can u learn from this experience? I tend to do a mind/body scan before n after each course to see where im at in relation to the food n the world around me. I have also learned that it is a gradual process of getting used to eating all foods in different combinations without the diet-mindset of shame and guilt surrounding each food item. These things take time! Best wishes to u on your journey, Kerry.Sent from my Android phone on T-Mobile. America’s first nationwide 4G network.----- Reply message -----To: <IntuitiveEating_Support >Subject: get past a bingeDate: Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:32 amhey everyone i dont know if anyone else posts their personal failures (or successes) but i have no one else to talk about this to( i cant tell my husband Im on a non-diet, he will be apalled) anyways last night i ate an entire box of peanut butter wafers covered in white chocolate. and i was NOT hungry. i just cant get over it. im so angry i feel like i want to rip soemthing up and yell. im going to the gym now with this full stomach like a rock. arrrgggfeel like a failure and have shall we say very negative feelings towards self right nowwhy would i binge when i am allowed to eat anything anyway????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Hi,Im about 8 mos in to IE as a way of life, and I can say from experience that initial binging as u described sometimes happens, but it's not a sign that IE isn't working/effective. Look inside yourself to the moments immediately before, during n after the binge. What were u thinking or/and feeling? What can u learn from this experience? I tend to do a mind/body scan before n after each course to see where im at in relation to the food n the world around me. I have also learned that it is a gradual process of getting used to eating all foods in different combinations without the diet-mindset of shame and guilt surrounding each food item. These things take time! Best wishes to u on your journey, Kerry.Sent from my Android phone on T-Mobile. America’s first nationwide 4G network.----- Reply message -----To: <IntuitiveEating_Support >Subject: get past a bingeDate: Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:32 amhey everyone i dont know if anyone else posts their personal failures (or successes) but i have no one else to talk about this to( i cant tell my husband Im on a non-diet, he will be apalled) anyways last night i ate an entire box of peanut butter wafers covered in white chocolate. and i was NOT hungry. i just cant get over it. im so angry i feel like i want to rip soemthing up and yell. im going to the gym now with this full stomach like a rock. arrrgggfeel like a failure and have shall we say very negative feelings towards self right nowwhy would i binge when i am allowed to eat anything anyway????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 It's going to take time for the diet rebel to really get that the days of restricting are gone - equal to the time it requires to genuinely let go of the desire to restrict. The diet rebel (inner child, whatever) is all too aware that restriction may just be around the corner and will continue to grab what it can until equilibrium is achieved. Most important point is, don't judge and create more toxic shame and self-wounding. One of the triggers of the addiction cycle is shame and self-loathing; so ease up and learn to be as kind as possible with this part who has been manipulated, denied and punished for a long time. Dieting is like living as ringmaster with the diet rebel as the lion who's been beaten into submission. That lion has now got to learn trust and that there is a new day dawning. And, the ringmaster has to learn to give up control and let go of the whip. When bingeing, try and stay present with what's going on. Put words on the self talk, hidden feelings and layers of experience. " Oh, I'm being mean to myself " , " Oh, I'm berating myself " , " Oh, I think I'm a pig for doing this " , " Oh, I feel afraid " , " Oh, this tastes too sweet but I'm eating it anyway " , etc. Naming what you're feeling and the thoughts you never really hear helps dis-identify with the thinking behavior, the feelings behaviors as well as the doing behavior. Best wishes with that sore tummy. Sandarah > > hey everyone i dont know if anyone else posts their personal failures (or successes) but i have no one else to talk about this to( i cant tell my husband Im on a non-diet, he will be apalled) anyways last night i ate an entire box of peanut butter wafers covered in white chocolate. and i was NOT hungry. i just cant get over it. im so angry i feel like i want to rip soemthing up and yell. im going to the gym now with this full stomach like a rock. arrrggg > feel like a failure and have shall we say very negative feelings towards self right now > why would i binge when i am allowed to eat anything anyway????????? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 It's going to take time for the diet rebel to really get that the days of restricting are gone - equal to the time it requires to genuinely let go of the desire to restrict. The diet rebel (inner child, whatever) is all too aware that restriction may just be around the corner and will continue to grab what it can until equilibrium is achieved. Most important point is, don't judge and create more toxic shame and self-wounding. One of the triggers of the addiction cycle is shame and self-loathing; so ease up and learn to be as kind as possible with this part who has been manipulated, denied and punished for a long time. Dieting is like living as ringmaster with the diet rebel as the lion who's been beaten into submission. That lion has now got to learn trust and that there is a new day dawning. And, the ringmaster has to learn to give up control and let go of the whip. When bingeing, try and stay present with what's going on. Put words on the self talk, hidden feelings and layers of experience. " Oh, I'm being mean to myself " , " Oh, I'm berating myself " , " Oh, I think I'm a pig for doing this " , " Oh, I feel afraid " , " Oh, this tastes too sweet but I'm eating it anyway " , etc. Naming what you're feeling and the thoughts you never really hear helps dis-identify with the thinking behavior, the feelings behaviors as well as the doing behavior. Best wishes with that sore tummy. Sandarah > > hey everyone i dont know if anyone else posts their personal failures (or successes) but i have no one else to talk about this to( i cant tell my husband Im on a non-diet, he will be apalled) anyways last night i ate an entire box of peanut butter wafers covered in white chocolate. and i was NOT hungry. i just cant get over it. im so angry i feel like i want to rip soemthing up and yell. im going to the gym now with this full stomach like a rock. arrrggg > feel like a failure and have shall we say very negative feelings towards self right now > why would i binge when i am allowed to eat anything anyway????????? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 > > hey everyone i dont know if anyone else posts their personal failures (or successes) but i have no one else to talk about this to( i cant tell my husband Im on a non-diet, he will be apalled) anyways last night i ate an entire box of peanut butter wafers covered in white chocolate. and i was NOT hungry. i just cant get over it. im so angry i feel like i want to rip soemthing up and yell. im going to the gym now with this full stomach like a rock. arrrggg > feel like a failure and have shall we say very negative feelings towards self right now > why would i binge when i am allowed to eat anything anyway????????? > A similar thing happened to me yesterday but I know why. I ran out the door in the morning and only took a banana and water. I didn't eat lunch until after noon and then only soup and salad which I know was only about 300 calories. When I got home I just could not get full. So I ate and ate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 > > hey everyone i dont know if anyone else posts their personal failures (or successes) but i have no one else to talk about this to( i cant tell my husband Im on a non-diet, he will be apalled) anyways last night i ate an entire box of peanut butter wafers covered in white chocolate. and i was NOT hungry. i just cant get over it. im so angry i feel like i want to rip soemthing up and yell. im going to the gym now with this full stomach like a rock. arrrggg > feel like a failure and have shall we say very negative feelings towards self right now > why would i binge when i am allowed to eat anything anyway????????? > A similar thing happened to me yesterday but I know why. I ran out the door in the morning and only took a banana and water. I didn't eat lunch until after noon and then only soup and salad which I know was only about 300 calories. When I got home I just could not get full. So I ate and ate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 > > hey everyone i dont know if anyone else posts their personal failures (or successes) but i have no one else to talk about this to( i cant tell my husband Im on a non-diet, he will be apalled) anyways last night i ate an entire box of peanut butter wafers covered in white chocolate. and i was NOT hungry. i just cant get over it. im so angry i feel like i want to rip soemthing up and yell. im going to the gym now with this full stomach like a rock. arrrggg > feel like a failure and have shall we say very negative feelings towards self right now > why would i binge when i am allowed to eat anything anyway????????? > A similar thing happened to me yesterday but I know why. I ran out the door in the morning and only took a banana and water. I didn't eat lunch until after noon and then only soup and salad which I know was only about 300 calories. When I got home I just could not get full. So I ate and ate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 I think you got some excellent advice and I would just add to what Sandarah said that I found it very helpful to promise myself that being present when over-eating (I don't like the word binging... it sounds harsh to me... who is to say what is a binge versus overeating?) does NOT mean that I have to stop eating! otherwise, it was too scary to stay present. it's a hard promise to keep sometimes but i think it's really important.at some point, i lost the urge to overeat. it just stopped happening without me trying to prevent it. now it only happens on rare occasions, like with cookies at thanksgiving -- that was the last time for me. > > hey everyone i dont know if anyone else posts their personal failures (or successes) but i have no one else to talk about this to( i cant tell my husband Im on a non-diet, he will be apalled) anyways last night i ate an entire box of peanut butter wafers covered in white chocolate. and i was NOT hungry. i just cant get over it. im so angry i feel like i want to rip soemthing up and yell. im going to the gym now with this full stomach like a rock. arrrggg > feel like a failure and have shall we say very negative feelings towards self right now > why would i binge when i am allowed to eat anything anyway????????? > A similar thing happened to me yesterday but I know why. I ran out the door in the morning and only took a banana and water. I didn't eat lunch until after noon and then only soup and salad which I know was only about 300 calories. When I got home I just could not get full. So I ate and ate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 I think you got some excellent advice and I would just add to what Sandarah said that I found it very helpful to promise myself that being present when over-eating (I don't like the word binging... it sounds harsh to me... who is to say what is a binge versus overeating?) does NOT mean that I have to stop eating! otherwise, it was too scary to stay present. it's a hard promise to keep sometimes but i think it's really important.at some point, i lost the urge to overeat. it just stopped happening without me trying to prevent it. now it only happens on rare occasions, like with cookies at thanksgiving -- that was the last time for me. > > hey everyone i dont know if anyone else posts their personal failures (or successes) but i have no one else to talk about this to( i cant tell my husband Im on a non-diet, he will be apalled) anyways last night i ate an entire box of peanut butter wafers covered in white chocolate. and i was NOT hungry. i just cant get over it. im so angry i feel like i want to rip soemthing up and yell. im going to the gym now with this full stomach like a rock. arrrggg > feel like a failure and have shall we say very negative feelings towards self right now > why would i binge when i am allowed to eat anything anyway????????? > A similar thing happened to me yesterday but I know why. I ran out the door in the morning and only took a banana and water. I didn't eat lunch until after noon and then only soup and salad which I know was only about 300 calories. When I got home I just could not get full. So I ate and ate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 I think you got some excellent advice and I would just add to what Sandarah said that I found it very helpful to promise myself that being present when over-eating (I don't like the word binging... it sounds harsh to me... who is to say what is a binge versus overeating?) does NOT mean that I have to stop eating! otherwise, it was too scary to stay present. it's a hard promise to keep sometimes but i think it's really important.at some point, i lost the urge to overeat. it just stopped happening without me trying to prevent it. now it only happens on rare occasions, like with cookies at thanksgiving -- that was the last time for me. > > hey everyone i dont know if anyone else posts their personal failures (or successes) but i have no one else to talk about this to( i cant tell my husband Im on a non-diet, he will be apalled) anyways last night i ate an entire box of peanut butter wafers covered in white chocolate. and i was NOT hungry. i just cant get over it. im so angry i feel like i want to rip soemthing up and yell. im going to the gym now with this full stomach like a rock. arrrggg > feel like a failure and have shall we say very negative feelings towards self right now > why would i binge when i am allowed to eat anything anyway????????? > A similar thing happened to me yesterday but I know why. I ran out the door in the morning and only took a banana and water. I didn't eat lunch until after noon and then only soup and salad which I know was only about 300 calories. When I got home I just could not get full. So I ate and ate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Yes, good catch. The point to observing (if possible) is to stay with yourself and not get back into the battle for control. Yep. > > > > > > hey everyone i dont know if anyone else posts their personal failures > > (or successes) but i have no one else to talk about this to( i cant tell my > > husband Im on a non-diet, he will be apalled) anyways last night i ate an > > entire box of peanut butter wafers covered in white chocolate. and i was > > NOT hungry. i just cant get over it. im so angry i feel like i want to rip > > soemthing up and yell. im going to the gym now with this full stomach > > like a rock. arrrggg > > > feel like a failure and have shall we say very negative feelings towards > > self right now > > > why would i binge when i am allowed to eat anything anyway????????? > > > > > A similar thing happened to me yesterday but I know why. I ran out the > > door in the morning and only took a banana and water. I didn't eat lunch > > until after noon and then only soup and salad which I know was only about > > 300 calories. When I got home I just could not get full. So I ate and ate. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Yes, good catch. The point to observing (if possible) is to stay with yourself and not get back into the battle for control. Yep. > > > > > > hey everyone i dont know if anyone else posts their personal failures > > (or successes) but i have no one else to talk about this to( i cant tell my > > husband Im on a non-diet, he will be apalled) anyways last night i ate an > > entire box of peanut butter wafers covered in white chocolate. and i was > > NOT hungry. i just cant get over it. im so angry i feel like i want to rip > > soemthing up and yell. im going to the gym now with this full stomach > > like a rock. arrrggg > > > feel like a failure and have shall we say very negative feelings towards > > self right now > > > why would i binge when i am allowed to eat anything anyway????????? > > > > > A similar thing happened to me yesterday but I know why. I ran out the > > door in the morning and only took a banana and water. I didn't eat lunch > > until after noon and then only soup and salad which I know was only about > > 300 calories. When I got home I just could not get full. So I ate and ate. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Yes, good catch. The point to observing (if possible) is to stay with yourself and not get back into the battle for control. Yep. > > > > > > hey everyone i dont know if anyone else posts their personal failures > > (or successes) but i have no one else to talk about this to( i cant tell my > > husband Im on a non-diet, he will be apalled) anyways last night i ate an > > entire box of peanut butter wafers covered in white chocolate. and i was > > NOT hungry. i just cant get over it. im so angry i feel like i want to rip > > soemthing up and yell. im going to the gym now with this full stomach > > like a rock. arrrggg > > > feel like a failure and have shall we say very negative feelings towards > > self right now > > > why would i binge when i am allowed to eat anything anyway????????? > > > > > A similar thing happened to me yesterday but I know why. I ran out the > > door in the morning and only took a banana and water. I didn't eat lunch > > until after noon and then only soup and salad which I know was only about > > 300 calories. When I got home I just could not get full. So I ate and ate. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 now i did that today! wasnt hungry in the morning before the gym because of yesterdays binge, just had iced coffee, and after workout i could not get full. i ate a lot and almost felt like losing control but i think i am ok. feel calm now. a bit overful but not guilty or yuck. i will say that i find the day after a binge, my signals are MESSED UP. completely out of whack. thats why i often binge few days in a row, vicious cycle cuz makes it harder and harder to stop. sooo annoying To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:55 AMSubject: Re: get past a binge >> hey everyone i dont know if anyone else posts their personal failures (or successes) but i have no one else to talk about this to( i cant tell my husband Im on a non-diet, he will be apalled) anyways last night i ate an entire box of peanut butter wafers covered in white chocolate. and i was NOT hungry. i just cant get over it. im so angry i feel like i want to rip soemthing up and yell. im going to the gym now with this full stomach like a rock. arrrggg> feel like a failure and have shall we say very negative feelings towards self right now> why would i binge when i am allowed to eat anything anyway?????????>A similar thing happened to me yesterday but I know why. I ran out the door in the morning and only took a banana and water. I didn't eat lunch until after noon and then only soup and salad which I know was only about 300 calories. When I got home I just could not get full. So I ate and ate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 maybe you could try gently offering yourself food after a binge, even if you are not hungry? i think it might help to interrupt the cycle. i like to think of talking to myself as if I was my child. very gently, like, " i know you ate too much last night, honey, but how about a little too eat now, even if you don't feel that hungry, so that you don't wind up too hungry later? " lots of books I've read have talked about the importance of feeding yourself again after a binge. now i did that today! wasnt hungry in the morning before the gym because of yesterdays binge, just had iced coffee, and after workout i could not get full. i ate a lot and almost felt like losing control but i think i am ok. feel calm now. a bit overful but not guilty or yuck. i will say that i find the day after a binge, my signals are MESSED UP. completely out of whack. thats why i often binge few days in a row, vicious cycle cuz makes it harder and harder to stop. sooo annoying To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:55 AM Subject: Re: get past a binge >> hey everyone i dont know if anyone else posts their personal failures (or successes) but i have no one else to talk about this to( i cant tell my husband Im on a non-diet, he will be apalled) anyways last night i ate an entire box of peanut butter wafers covered in white chocolate. and i was NOT hungry. i just cant get over it. im so angry i feel like i want to rip soemthing up and yell. im going to the gym now with this full stomach like a rock. arrrggg > feel like a failure and have shall we say very negative feelings towards self right now> why would i binge when i am allowed to eat anything anyway?????????>A similar thing happened to me yesterday but I know why. I ran out the door in the morning and only took a banana and water. I didn't eat lunch until after noon and then only soup and salad which I know was only about 300 calories. When I got home I just could not get full. So I ate and ate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 maybe you could try gently offering yourself food after a binge, even if you are not hungry? i think it might help to interrupt the cycle. i like to think of talking to myself as if I was my child. very gently, like, " i know you ate too much last night, honey, but how about a little too eat now, even if you don't feel that hungry, so that you don't wind up too hungry later? " lots of books I've read have talked about the importance of feeding yourself again after a binge. now i did that today! wasnt hungry in the morning before the gym because of yesterdays binge, just had iced coffee, and after workout i could not get full. i ate a lot and almost felt like losing control but i think i am ok. feel calm now. a bit overful but not guilty or yuck. i will say that i find the day after a binge, my signals are MESSED UP. completely out of whack. thats why i often binge few days in a row, vicious cycle cuz makes it harder and harder to stop. sooo annoying To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:55 AM Subject: Re: get past a binge >> hey everyone i dont know if anyone else posts their personal failures (or successes) but i have no one else to talk about this to( i cant tell my husband Im on a non-diet, he will be apalled) anyways last night i ate an entire box of peanut butter wafers covered in white chocolate. and i was NOT hungry. i just cant get over it. im so angry i feel like i want to rip soemthing up and yell. im going to the gym now with this full stomach like a rock. arrrggg > feel like a failure and have shall we say very negative feelings towards self right now> why would i binge when i am allowed to eat anything anyway?????????>A similar thing happened to me yesterday but I know why. I ran out the door in the morning and only took a banana and water. I didn't eat lunch until after noon and then only soup and salad which I know was only about 300 calories. When I got home I just could not get full. So I ate and ate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 when im in the IE mode what u wrote here would totally click. right now its like another language. what? promise myself that as long as im present i can keep overeating? dont be upset at ur self? for doing the most disgusting thing to urself? sometimes i tell myself- ur not on a diet ur not on a diet-- and i immediately feel satisfied and in control. other times i feel like im a wild animal and must wolf down food and run to the hills... (sounds like a beautiful poem, huh? dont really know what i even meant by it!) To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:51 AMSubject: Re: get past a binge It's going to take time for the diet rebel to really get that the days of restricting are gone - equal to the time it requires to genuinely let go of the desire to restrict. The diet rebel (inner child, whatever) is all too aware that restriction may just be around the corner and will continue to grab what it can until equilibrium is achieved.Most important point is, don't judge and create more toxic shame and self-wounding. One of the triggers of the addiction cycle is shame and self-loathing; so ease up and learn to be as kind as possible with this part who has been manipulated, denied and punished for a long time. Dieting is like living as ringmaster with the diet rebel as the lion who's been beaten into submission. That lion has now got to learn trust and that there is a new day dawning. And, the ringmaster has to learn to give up control and let go of the whip.When bingeing, try and stay present with what's going on. Put words on the self talk, hidden feelings and layers of experience. "Oh, I'm being mean to myself", "Oh, I'm berating myself", "Oh, I think I'm a pig for doing this", "Oh, I feel afraid", "Oh, this tastes too sweet but I'm eating it anyway", etc. Naming what you're feeling and the thoughts you never really hear helps dis-identify with the thinking behavior, the feelings behaviors as well as the doing behavior. Best wishes with that sore tummy. Sandarah >> hey everyone i dont know if anyone else posts their personal failures (or successes) but i have no one else to talk about this to( i cant tell my husband Im on a non-diet, he will be apalled) anyways last night i ate an entire box of peanut butter wafers covered in white chocolate. and i was NOT hungry. i just cant get over it. im so angry i feel like i want to rip soemthing up and yell. im going to the gym now with this full stomach like a rock. arrrggg> feel like a failure and have shall we say very negative feelings towards self right now> why would i binge when i am allowed to eat anything anyway?????????> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 when im in the IE mode what u wrote here would totally click. right now its like another language. what? promise myself that as long as im present i can keep overeating? dont be upset at ur self? for doing the most disgusting thing to urself? sometimes i tell myself- ur not on a diet ur not on a diet-- and i immediately feel satisfied and in control. other times i feel like im a wild animal and must wolf down food and run to the hills... (sounds like a beautiful poem, huh? dont really know what i even meant by it!) To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:51 AMSubject: Re: get past a binge It's going to take time for the diet rebel to really get that the days of restricting are gone - equal to the time it requires to genuinely let go of the desire to restrict. The diet rebel (inner child, whatever) is all too aware that restriction may just be around the corner and will continue to grab what it can until equilibrium is achieved.Most important point is, don't judge and create more toxic shame and self-wounding. One of the triggers of the addiction cycle is shame and self-loathing; so ease up and learn to be as kind as possible with this part who has been manipulated, denied and punished for a long time. Dieting is like living as ringmaster with the diet rebel as the lion who's been beaten into submission. That lion has now got to learn trust and that there is a new day dawning. And, the ringmaster has to learn to give up control and let go of the whip.When bingeing, try and stay present with what's going on. Put words on the self talk, hidden feelings and layers of experience. "Oh, I'm being mean to myself", "Oh, I'm berating myself", "Oh, I think I'm a pig for doing this", "Oh, I feel afraid", "Oh, this tastes too sweet but I'm eating it anyway", etc. Naming what you're feeling and the thoughts you never really hear helps dis-identify with the thinking behavior, the feelings behaviors as well as the doing behavior. Best wishes with that sore tummy. Sandarah >> hey everyone i dont know if anyone else posts their personal failures (or successes) but i have no one else to talk about this to( i cant tell my husband Im on a non-diet, he will be apalled) anyways last night i ate an entire box of peanut butter wafers covered in white chocolate. and i was NOT hungry. i just cant get over it. im so angry i feel like i want to rip soemthing up and yell. im going to the gym now with this full stomach like a rock. arrrggg> feel like a failure and have shall we say very negative feelings towards self right now> why would i binge when i am allowed to eat anything anyway?????????> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 when im in the IE mode what u wrote here would totally click. right now its like another language. what? promise myself that as long as im present i can keep overeating? dont be upset at ur self? for doing the most disgusting thing to urself? sometimes i tell myself- ur not on a diet ur not on a diet-- and i immediately feel satisfied and in control. other times i feel like im a wild animal and must wolf down food and run to the hills... (sounds like a beautiful poem, huh? dont really know what i even meant by it!) To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:51 AMSubject: Re: get past a binge It's going to take time for the diet rebel to really get that the days of restricting are gone - equal to the time it requires to genuinely let go of the desire to restrict. The diet rebel (inner child, whatever) is all too aware that restriction may just be around the corner and will continue to grab what it can until equilibrium is achieved.Most important point is, don't judge and create more toxic shame and self-wounding. One of the triggers of the addiction cycle is shame and self-loathing; so ease up and learn to be as kind as possible with this part who has been manipulated, denied and punished for a long time. Dieting is like living as ringmaster with the diet rebel as the lion who's been beaten into submission. That lion has now got to learn trust and that there is a new day dawning. And, the ringmaster has to learn to give up control and let go of the whip.When bingeing, try and stay present with what's going on. Put words on the self talk, hidden feelings and layers of experience. "Oh, I'm being mean to myself", "Oh, I'm berating myself", "Oh, I think I'm a pig for doing this", "Oh, I feel afraid", "Oh, this tastes too sweet but I'm eating it anyway", etc. Naming what you're feeling and the thoughts you never really hear helps dis-identify with the thinking behavior, the feelings behaviors as well as the doing behavior. Best wishes with that sore tummy. Sandarah >> hey everyone i dont know if anyone else posts their personal failures (or successes) but i have no one else to talk about this to( i cant tell my husband Im on a non-diet, he will be apalled) anyways last night i ate an entire box of peanut butter wafers covered in white chocolate. and i was NOT hungry. i just cant get over it. im so angry i feel like i want to rip soemthing up and yell. im going to the gym now with this full stomach like a rock. arrrggg> feel like a failure and have shall we say very negative feelings towards self right now> why would i binge when i am allowed to eat anything anyway?????????> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 i understand what ur saying and i definitely do not starve myself ever, but after a binge i feel too full the next morning to even consider eating. would just add to that gross lump of lead in stomach feeling. does anyone here eat the next day after a binge even when not hungry? To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 3:50 PMSubject: Re: Re: get past a binge maybe you could try gently offering yourself food after a binge, even if you are not hungry? i think it might help to interrupt the cycle. i like to think of talking to myself as if I was my child. very gently, like, "i know you ate too much last night, honey, but how about a little too eat now, even if you don't feel that hungry, so that you don't wind up too hungry later?" lots of books I've read have talked about the importance of feeding yourself again after a binge. now i did that today! wasnt hungry in the morning before the gym because of yesterdays binge, just had iced coffee, and after workout i could not get full. i ate a lot and almost felt like losing control but i think i am ok. feel calm now. a bit overful but not guilty or yuck. i will say that i find the day after a binge, my signals are MESSED UP. completely out of whack. thats why i often binge few days in a row, vicious cycle cuz makes it harder and harder to stop. sooo annoying To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:55 AMSubject: Re: get past a binge >> hey everyone i dont know if anyone else posts their personal failures (or successes) but i have no one else to talk about this to( i cant tell my husband Im on a non-diet, he will be apalled) anyways last night i ate an entire box of peanut butter wafers covered in white chocolate. and i was NOT hungry. i just cant get over it. im so angry i feel like i want to rip soemthing up and yell. im going to the gym now with this full stomach like a rock. arrrggg> feel like a failure and have shall we say very negative feelings towards self right now> why would i binge when i am allowed to eat anything anyway?????????>A similar thing happened to me yesterday but I know why. I ran out the door in the morning and only took a banana and water. I didn't eat lunch until after noon and then only soup and salad which I know was only about 300 calories. When I got home I just could not get full. So I ate and ate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 i understand what ur saying and i definitely do not starve myself ever, but after a binge i feel too full the next morning to even consider eating. would just add to that gross lump of lead in stomach feeling. does anyone here eat the next day after a binge even when not hungry? To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 3:50 PMSubject: Re: Re: get past a binge maybe you could try gently offering yourself food after a binge, even if you are not hungry? i think it might help to interrupt the cycle. i like to think of talking to myself as if I was my child. very gently, like, "i know you ate too much last night, honey, but how about a little too eat now, even if you don't feel that hungry, so that you don't wind up too hungry later?" lots of books I've read have talked about the importance of feeding yourself again after a binge. now i did that today! wasnt hungry in the morning before the gym because of yesterdays binge, just had iced coffee, and after workout i could not get full. i ate a lot and almost felt like losing control but i think i am ok. feel calm now. a bit overful but not guilty or yuck. i will say that i find the day after a binge, my signals are MESSED UP. completely out of whack. thats why i often binge few days in a row, vicious cycle cuz makes it harder and harder to stop. sooo annoying To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:55 AMSubject: Re: get past a binge >> hey everyone i dont know if anyone else posts their personal failures (or successes) but i have no one else to talk about this to( i cant tell my husband Im on a non-diet, he will be apalled) anyways last night i ate an entire box of peanut butter wafers covered in white chocolate. and i was NOT hungry. i just cant get over it. im so angry i feel like i want to rip soemthing up and yell. im going to the gym now with this full stomach like a rock. arrrggg> feel like a failure and have shall we say very negative feelings towards self right now> why would i binge when i am allowed to eat anything anyway?????????>A similar thing happened to me yesterday but I know why. I ran out the door in the morning and only took a banana and water. I didn't eat lunch until after noon and then only soup and salad which I know was only about 300 calories. When I got home I just could not get full. So I ate and ate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Oops, I was trying to reply all, and think I just replied to Sima.... This subject is of interest to me because in spite of some recent success in changing my relationship with food, I also binged last night. It was apple bread pudding with vanilla glaze, which of course I just had to add icecream to. Then that started a scrounge for anything sweet that I could find. I did stop, sooner than I would have in days past, but nevertheless it was not a proud moment. I typically do not eat much the next morning/day after a binge, as if to 'even out' the calorie intake, but this morning I chose to try it differently. I realized that restricting the day after a binge is like the other side of the same coin, if that makes sense. The pendulum just swings from one end to the other, either way I'm preoccupied with food. My thought is this behavior change may help break the cycle for me. I also like the idea of staying present if overeating and will incorporate this tool as well. I really benefit from reading these posts and enjoy being part of this group. Regards,Kathy Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android To: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 4:01 PMSubject: Re: Re: get past a binge i understand what ur saying and i definitely do not starve myself ever, but after a binge i feel too full the next morning to even consider eating. would just add to that gross lump of lead in stomach feeling. does anyone here eat the next day after a binge even when not hungry? To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 3:50 PMSubject: Re: Re: get past a binge maybe you could try gently offering yourself food after a binge, even if you are not hungry? i think it might help to interrupt the cycle. i like to think of talking to myself as if I was my child. very gently, like, "i know you ate too much last night, honey, but how about a little too eat now, even if you don't feel that hungry, so that you don't wind up too hungry later?" lots of books I've read have talked about the importance of feeding yourself again after a binge. now i did that today! wasnt hungry in the morning before the gym because of yesterdays binge, just had iced coffee, and after workout i could not get full. i ate a lot and almost felt like losing control but i think i am ok. feel calm now. a bit overful but not guilty or yuck. i will say that i find the day after a binge, my signals are MESSED UP. completely out of whack. thats why i often binge few days in a row, vicious cycle cuz makes it harder and harder to stop. sooo annoying To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:55 AMSubject: Re: get past a binge >> hey everyone i dont know if anyone else posts their personal failures (or successes) but i have no one else to talk about this to( i cant tell my husband Im on a non-diet, he will be apalled) anyways last night i ate an entire box of peanut butter wafers covered in white chocolate. and i was NOT hungry. i just cant get over it. im so angry i feel like i want to rip soemthing up and yell. im going to the gym now with this full stomach like a rock. arrrggg> feel like a failure and have shall we say very negative feelings towards self right now> why would i binge when i am allowed to eat anything anyway?????????>A similar thing happened to me yesterday but I know why. I ran out the door in the morning and only took a banana and water. I didn't eat lunch until after noon and then only soup and salad which I know was only about 300 calories. When I got home I just could not get full. So I ate and ate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Oops, I was trying to reply all, and think I just replied to Sima.... This subject is of interest to me because in spite of some recent success in changing my relationship with food, I also binged last night. It was apple bread pudding with vanilla glaze, which of course I just had to add icecream to. Then that started a scrounge for anything sweet that I could find. I did stop, sooner than I would have in days past, but nevertheless it was not a proud moment. I typically do not eat much the next morning/day after a binge, as if to 'even out' the calorie intake, but this morning I chose to try it differently. I realized that restricting the day after a binge is like the other side of the same coin, if that makes sense. The pendulum just swings from one end to the other, either way I'm preoccupied with food. My thought is this behavior change may help break the cycle for me. I also like the idea of staying present if overeating and will incorporate this tool as well. I really benefit from reading these posts and enjoy being part of this group. Regards,Kathy Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android To: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 4:01 PMSubject: Re: Re: get past a binge i understand what ur saying and i definitely do not starve myself ever, but after a binge i feel too full the next morning to even consider eating. would just add to that gross lump of lead in stomach feeling. does anyone here eat the next day after a binge even when not hungry? To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 3:50 PMSubject: Re: Re: get past a binge maybe you could try gently offering yourself food after a binge, even if you are not hungry? i think it might help to interrupt the cycle. i like to think of talking to myself as if I was my child. very gently, like, "i know you ate too much last night, honey, but how about a little too eat now, even if you don't feel that hungry, so that you don't wind up too hungry later?" lots of books I've read have talked about the importance of feeding yourself again after a binge. now i did that today! wasnt hungry in the morning before the gym because of yesterdays binge, just had iced coffee, and after workout i could not get full. i ate a lot and almost felt like losing control but i think i am ok. feel calm now. a bit overful but not guilty or yuck. i will say that i find the day after a binge, my signals are MESSED UP. completely out of whack. thats why i often binge few days in a row, vicious cycle cuz makes it harder and harder to stop. sooo annoying To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:55 AMSubject: Re: get past a binge >> hey everyone i dont know if anyone else posts their personal failures (or successes) but i have no one else to talk about this to( i cant tell my husband Im on a non-diet, he will be apalled) anyways last night i ate an entire box of peanut butter wafers covered in white chocolate. and i was NOT hungry. i just cant get over it. im so angry i feel like i want to rip soemthing up and yell. im going to the gym now with this full stomach like a rock. arrrggg> feel like a failure and have shall we say very negative feelings towards self right now> why would i binge when i am allowed to eat anything anyway?????????>A similar thing happened to me yesterday but I know why. I ran out the door in the morning and only took a banana and water. I didn't eat lunch until after noon and then only soup and salad which I know was only about 300 calories. When I got home I just could not get full. So I ate and ate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Oops, I was trying to reply all, and think I just replied to Sima.... This subject is of interest to me because in spite of some recent success in changing my relationship with food, I also binged last night. It was apple bread pudding with vanilla glaze, which of course I just had to add icecream to. Then that started a scrounge for anything sweet that I could find. I did stop, sooner than I would have in days past, but nevertheless it was not a proud moment. I typically do not eat much the next morning/day after a binge, as if to 'even out' the calorie intake, but this morning I chose to try it differently. I realized that restricting the day after a binge is like the other side of the same coin, if that makes sense. The pendulum just swings from one end to the other, either way I'm preoccupied with food. My thought is this behavior change may help break the cycle for me. I also like the idea of staying present if overeating and will incorporate this tool as well. I really benefit from reading these posts and enjoy being part of this group. Regards,Kathy Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android To: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 4:01 PMSubject: Re: Re: get past a binge i understand what ur saying and i definitely do not starve myself ever, but after a binge i feel too full the next morning to even consider eating. would just add to that gross lump of lead in stomach feeling. does anyone here eat the next day after a binge even when not hungry? To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 3:50 PMSubject: Re: Re: get past a binge maybe you could try gently offering yourself food after a binge, even if you are not hungry? i think it might help to interrupt the cycle. i like to think of talking to myself as if I was my child. very gently, like, "i know you ate too much last night, honey, but how about a little too eat now, even if you don't feel that hungry, so that you don't wind up too hungry later?" lots of books I've read have talked about the importance of feeding yourself again after a binge. now i did that today! wasnt hungry in the morning before the gym because of yesterdays binge, just had iced coffee, and after workout i could not get full. i ate a lot and almost felt like losing control but i think i am ok. feel calm now. a bit overful but not guilty or yuck. i will say that i find the day after a binge, my signals are MESSED UP. completely out of whack. thats why i often binge few days in a row, vicious cycle cuz makes it harder and harder to stop. sooo annoying To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:55 AMSubject: Re: get past a binge >> hey everyone i dont know if anyone else posts their personal failures (or successes) but i have no one else to talk about this to( i cant tell my husband Im on a non-diet, he will be apalled) anyways last night i ate an entire box of peanut butter wafers covered in white chocolate. and i was NOT hungry. i just cant get over it. im so angry i feel like i want to rip soemthing up and yell. im going to the gym now with this full stomach like a rock. arrrggg> feel like a failure and have shall we say very negative feelings towards self right now> why would i binge when i am allowed to eat anything anyway?????????>A similar thing happened to me yesterday but I know why. I ran out the door in the morning and only took a banana and water. I didn't eat lunch until after noon and then only soup and salad which I know was only about 300 calories. When I got home I just could not get full. So I ate and ate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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