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Welcome Sab,

> >

> >My name is Alvaro, 44 years and I have IBM . Since 4 years ago.

> >I live in Portugal, my treatment is IVIG only.

> >

> >You will enjoy the group. They give you info and advice about things you

> >might not know about.

> >

> >

> >Take care,

> >Alvaro Nunes

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Hello everyone!

I am new to the group. I was recently diagnosed with dermatomyositis

in August. I have had symptoms since January but they went

undiagnosed. I spent over two months in the hospital and only

recently returned home. My original CPK was over 20,000 and is now

down in the 500 range but I still have severe pain and weakness. I

am on methotrexate and prednisone. I am interested in hearing from

anyone in the group about how they deal with the disease and side

effects of the meds (especially edema, hair loss, telangiectasias,

skin fragility, anemia, lack of mobility, pain, etc.)

Thanks,

SAB

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Welcome Sab,

> >

> >My name is Alvaro, 44 years and I have IBM . Since 4 years ago.

> >I live in Portugal, my treatment is IVIG only.

> >

> >You will enjoy the group. They give you info and advice about things you

> >might not know about.

> >

> >

> >Take care,

> >Alvaro Nunes

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Hello everyone!

I am new to the group. I was recently diagnosed with dermatomyositis

in August. I have had symptoms since January but they went

undiagnosed. I spent over two months in the hospital and only

recently returned home. My original CPK was over 20,000 and is now

down in the 500 range but I still have severe pain and weakness. I

am on methotrexate and prednisone. I am interested in hearing from

anyone in the group about how they deal with the disease and side

effects of the meds (especially edema, hair loss, telangiectasias,

skin fragility, anemia, lack of mobility, pain, etc.)

Thanks,

SAB

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Hi SAB! Welcome to the group! I am newly diagnosied as well--October 8, 2002. I am on 60 mg Prednisone and just started my methotrexate last week. I just went on disability because it is getting too hard for me to walk much less work. This group has been so supportive. I am so glad I found it!

Vickie

Hello everyone!

I am new to the group. I was recently diagnosed with dermatomyositis

in August. I have had symptoms since January but they went

undiagnosed. I spent over two months in the hospital and only

recently returned home. My original CPK was over 20,000 and is now

down in the 500 range but I still have severe pain and weakness. I

am on methotrexate and prednisone. I am interested in hearing from

anyone in the group about how they deal with the disease and side

effects of the meds (especially edema, hair loss, telangiectasias,

skin fragility, anemia, lack of mobility, pain, etc.)

Thanks,

SAB

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Hi SAB,

Let me also welcome you to our family. I'm Lem from Oklahoma. I have

DM also and was DX last July 2001. My cpk's were also over 20,000,

more than what they could read, or that is what I was told. I have

had to take baby steps recovering. I couldn't walk and lift myself

up, or even roll over. I was put on 80mg of prednisone. Now I am up

and walking with a cane, use a scooter when I go out--hey everybody I

can go forward now. I am now on 10mg methorexate and 7 mg. of

prednisone. I also have a heart condition when the doctors put me on

zocar after a heart attack, statin drug, and that seemed to cause or

trigger the DM. I do not have one day without pain and take pain

medication. Without it I couldn't get out of bed. The doctors told me

I have alot of muscle damage with the cpks being so high and going so

long without DX and treatment. This disease is different for everyone

so don't compare yourself with the shape I'm in. Remember you are not

your disease, you are still the same terrific person you were before

you were DX. In fact I think we are all so very special and tuff in

our own ways to keep going. You take care and give the meds time to

work and help you. Good luck, lem

> Hi SAB

> Let me add my " Welcome " to the rest of them.

> I'm Teddi from Oklahoma City. I have had

> DM for almost 7 years. In the process of

> trying to get off the prednisone and am down

> to 4mg.....the lowest I have ever gotten..

> I know you will enjoy this group. Not only

> is it informative.........we have got some

> pretty good researchers in the group......

> but we have fun, a place to moan & whine

> and a lot of love.

>

>

> Teddi

> mailto:teddifromok@w...

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Hi SAB,

Let me also welcome you to our family. I'm Lem from Oklahoma. I have

DM also and was DX last July 2001. My cpk's were also over 20,000,

more than what they could read, or that is what I was told. I have

had to take baby steps recovering. I couldn't walk and lift myself

up, or even roll over. I was put on 80mg of prednisone. Now I am up

and walking with a cane, use a scooter when I go out--hey everybody I

can go forward now. I am now on 10mg methorexate and 7 mg. of

prednisone. I also have a heart condition when the doctors put me on

zocar after a heart attack, statin drug, and that seemed to cause or

trigger the DM. I do not have one day without pain and take pain

medication. Without it I couldn't get out of bed. The doctors told me

I have alot of muscle damage with the cpks being so high and going so

long without DX and treatment. This disease is different for everyone

so don't compare yourself with the shape I'm in. Remember you are not

your disease, you are still the same terrific person you were before

you were DX. In fact I think we are all so very special and tuff in

our own ways to keep going. You take care and give the meds time to

work and help you. Good luck, lem

> Hi SAB

> Let me add my " Welcome " to the rest of them.

> I'm Teddi from Oklahoma City. I have had

> DM for almost 7 years. In the process of

> trying to get off the prednisone and am down

> to 4mg.....the lowest I have ever gotten..

> I know you will enjoy this group. Not only

> is it informative.........we have got some

> pretty good researchers in the group......

> but we have fun, a place to moan & whine

> and a lot of love.

>

>

> Teddi

> mailto:teddifromok@w...

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Hi SAB,

Let me also welcome you to our family. I'm Lem from Oklahoma. I have

DM also and was DX last July 2001. My cpk's were also over 20,000,

more than what they could read, or that is what I was told. I have

had to take baby steps recovering. I couldn't walk and lift myself

up, or even roll over. I was put on 80mg of prednisone. Now I am up

and walking with a cane, use a scooter when I go out--hey everybody I

can go forward now. I am now on 10mg methorexate and 7 mg. of

prednisone. I also have a heart condition when the doctors put me on

zocar after a heart attack, statin drug, and that seemed to cause or

trigger the DM. I do not have one day without pain and take pain

medication. Without it I couldn't get out of bed. The doctors told me

I have alot of muscle damage with the cpks being so high and going so

long without DX and treatment. This disease is different for everyone

so don't compare yourself with the shape I'm in. Remember you are not

your disease, you are still the same terrific person you were before

you were DX. In fact I think we are all so very special and tuff in

our own ways to keep going. You take care and give the meds time to

work and help you. Good luck, lem

> Hi SAB

> Let me add my " Welcome " to the rest of them.

> I'm Teddi from Oklahoma City. I have had

> DM for almost 7 years. In the process of

> trying to get off the prednisone and am down

> to 4mg.....the lowest I have ever gotten..

> I know you will enjoy this group. Not only

> is it informative.........we have got some

> pretty good researchers in the group......

> but we have fun, a place to moan & whine

> and a lot of love.

>

>

> Teddi

> mailto:teddifromok@w...

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Hello Lem,

Thank you for the welcome and your story. It gives me hope. I still can't roll over in bed yet. I did make some improvements while in the hospital and since I have been home but they have been baby-steps. Some days I wonder if this is as good as it will get. I do notice the improvements occurring shortly after my methotrexate-day.

All this equipment I have to use is disheartening as well. I get so frustrated sometimes but everyone's stories have helped me feel emotionally better anyway.

You and I live very close. I hear there is a myositis support group here that meets a couple to three times a year or so. Have you ever been?

Take care,

SAB

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Hi SAB,Let me also welcome you to our family. I'm Lem from Oklahoma. I have DM also and was DX last July 2001. My cpk's were also over 20,000, more than what they could read, or that is what I was told. I have had to take baby steps recovering. I couldn't walk and lift myself up, or even roll over. I was put on 80mg of prednisone. Now I am up and walking with a cane, use a scooter when I go out--hey everybody I can go forward now. I am now on 10mg methorexate and 7 mg. of prednisone. I also have a heart condition when the doctors put me on zocar after a heart attack, statin drug, and that seemed to cause or trigger the DM. I do not have one day without pain and take pain medication. Without it I couldn't get out of bed. The doctors told me I have alot of muscle damage with the cpks being so high and going so long without DX and treatment. This disease is different for everyone so don't compare yourself with the shape I'm in. Remember you are not your disease, you are still the same terrific person you were before you were DX. In fact I think we are all so very special and tuff in our own ways to keep going. You take care and give the meds time to work and help you. Good luck, lem > Hi SAB> Let me add my "Welcome" to the rest of them.> I'm Teddi from Oklahoma City. I have had> DM for almost 7 years. In the process of> trying to get off the prednisone and am down> to 4mg.....the lowest I have ever gotten..> I know you will enjoy this group. Not only> is it informative.........we have got some> pretty good researchers in the group......> but we have fun, a place to moan & whine> and a lot of love.> > > Teddi> mailto:teddifromok@w...

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Hello Lem,

Thank you for the welcome and your story. It gives me hope. I still can't roll over in bed yet. I did make some improvements while in the hospital and since I have been home but they have been baby-steps. Some days I wonder if this is as good as it will get. I do notice the improvements occurring shortly after my methotrexate-day.

All this equipment I have to use is disheartening as well. I get so frustrated sometimes but everyone's stories have helped me feel emotionally better anyway.

You and I live very close. I hear there is a myositis support group here that meets a couple to three times a year or so. Have you ever been?

Take care,

SAB

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Hi SAB,Let me also welcome you to our family. I'm Lem from Oklahoma. I have DM also and was DX last July 2001. My cpk's were also over 20,000, more than what they could read, or that is what I was told. I have had to take baby steps recovering. I couldn't walk and lift myself up, or even roll over. I was put on 80mg of prednisone. Now I am up and walking with a cane, use a scooter when I go out--hey everybody I can go forward now. I am now on 10mg methorexate and 7 mg. of prednisone. I also have a heart condition when the doctors put me on zocar after a heart attack, statin drug, and that seemed to cause or trigger the DM. I do not have one day without pain and take pain medication. Without it I couldn't get out of bed. The doctors told me I have alot of muscle damage with the cpks being so high and going so long without DX and treatment. This disease is different for everyone so don't compare yourself with the shape I'm in. Remember you are not your disease, you are still the same terrific person you were before you were DX. In fact I think we are all so very special and tuff in our own ways to keep going. You take care and give the meds time to work and help you. Good luck, lem > Hi SAB> Let me add my "Welcome" to the rest of them.> I'm Teddi from Oklahoma City. I have had> DM for almost 7 years. In the process of> trying to get off the prednisone and am down> to 4mg.....the lowest I have ever gotten..> I know you will enjoy this group. Not only> is it informative.........we have got some> pretty good researchers in the group......> but we have fun, a place to moan & whine> and a lot of love.> > > Teddi> mailto:teddifromok@w...

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I agree with Teddi. The best part of the conference was meeting everyone and putting names with faces. Teddi, Vicki, Candy and I had a terrific time visiting with each other. I also met some other wonderful people. We met Cheri, whose wedding Vicki and I just traveled to Vegas to see. This is a wonderful support group. I think we should try to have our own conference in Vegas next year as someone suggested if the MAA isn't already doing it!!

Anyway, SAB, welcome to the group. I haven't heard your specifics. I am Zanna, 34 years young, dx 4 years ago on New Year's Eve after approx. 4 years or more of misdiagnosis. You can read my story at my website at www.polymyositis.info . This group is the best thing to happen to me since dx (my dx was the first best thing!). Without the guys on this group, I may go crazy (it would be a short trip for sure!).

Anyway, welcome!

Zanna

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I agree with Teddi. The best part of the conference was meeting everyone and putting names with faces. Teddi, Vicki, Candy and I had a terrific time visiting with each other. I also met some other wonderful people. We met Cheri, whose wedding Vicki and I just traveled to Vegas to see. This is a wonderful support group. I think we should try to have our own conference in Vegas next year as someone suggested if the MAA isn't already doing it!!

Anyway, SAB, welcome to the group. I haven't heard your specifics. I am Zanna, 34 years young, dx 4 years ago on New Year's Eve after approx. 4 years or more of misdiagnosis. You can read my story at my website at www.polymyositis.info . This group is the best thing to happen to me since dx (my dx was the first best thing!). Without the guys on this group, I may go crazy (it would be a short trip for sure!).

Anyway, welcome!

Zanna

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I agree with Teddi. The best part of the conference was meeting everyone and putting names with faces. Teddi, Vicki, Candy and I had a terrific time visiting with each other. I also met some other wonderful people. We met Cheri, whose wedding Vicki and I just traveled to Vegas to see. This is a wonderful support group. I think we should try to have our own conference in Vegas next year as someone suggested if the MAA isn't already doing it!!

Anyway, SAB, welcome to the group. I haven't heard your specifics. I am Zanna, 34 years young, dx 4 years ago on New Year's Eve after approx. 4 years or more of misdiagnosis. You can read my story at my website at www.polymyositis.info . This group is the best thing to happen to me since dx (my dx was the first best thing!). Without the guys on this group, I may go crazy (it would be a short trip for sure!).

Anyway, welcome!

Zanna

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Hi SAB, are you taking any PT? I took some in the hospital and then

when I came home. The doctors think it would help me but my ins. co.

won't pay for it. They want my wife to learn how to give me the PT.

She has MS and has a harder time standing straight and walking a

straight line herself. I understand how hard it is to be patient, I

think this disease really helps us to learn that, if we want to or

not, haha. It felt like to me I was taking baby steps at times, 1

step forward then I would fall 3 backwards but I made it and so will

you. I do have muscle damage so I'm not normal but people tell me I

never was. I have been able to go back to work which is frustrating.

Gosh, I wish I could drive my car. But I will one of these days, baby

steps first. It was really hard for me to use a wheelchair and then I

would run into people that I knew and didn't know I had been sick so

they were very surprised and said stupid things. You just use your

equipment and do what you need to do to help yourself. I think I

remember the doctors told me it takes 2-3 months to get the metho in

your system before it starts helping. I have a apt. with the MDA

clinic the 27th Nov. I am curious as to what they can do for me if

anything. I have not been to any myositis support groups. Where are

they at? Hope you are doing better today, take care, lem

> > Hi SAB

> > Let me add my " Welcome " to the rest of them.

> > I'm Teddi from Oklahoma City. I have had

> > DM for almost 7 years. In the process of

> > trying to get off the prednisone and am down

> > to 4mg.....the lowest I have ever gotten..

> > I know you will enjoy this group. Not only

> > is it informative.........we have got some

> > pretty good researchers in the group......

> > but we have fun, a place to moan & whine

> > and a lot of love.

> >

> >

> > Teddi

> > mailto:teddifromok@w...

>

>

>

>

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Hi SAB, are you taking any PT? I took some in the hospital and then

when I came home. The doctors think it would help me but my ins. co.

won't pay for it. They want my wife to learn how to give me the PT.

She has MS and has a harder time standing straight and walking a

straight line herself. I understand how hard it is to be patient, I

think this disease really helps us to learn that, if we want to or

not, haha. It felt like to me I was taking baby steps at times, 1

step forward then I would fall 3 backwards but I made it and so will

you. I do have muscle damage so I'm not normal but people tell me I

never was. I have been able to go back to work which is frustrating.

Gosh, I wish I could drive my car. But I will one of these days, baby

steps first. It was really hard for me to use a wheelchair and then I

would run into people that I knew and didn't know I had been sick so

they were very surprised and said stupid things. You just use your

equipment and do what you need to do to help yourself. I think I

remember the doctors told me it takes 2-3 months to get the metho in

your system before it starts helping. I have a apt. with the MDA

clinic the 27th Nov. I am curious as to what they can do for me if

anything. I have not been to any myositis support groups. Where are

they at? Hope you are doing better today, take care, lem

> > Hi SAB

> > Let me add my " Welcome " to the rest of them.

> > I'm Teddi from Oklahoma City. I have had

> > DM for almost 7 years. In the process of

> > trying to get off the prednisone and am down

> > to 4mg.....the lowest I have ever gotten..

> > I know you will enjoy this group. Not only

> > is it informative.........we have got some

> > pretty good researchers in the group......

> > but we have fun, a place to moan & whine

> > and a lot of love.

> >

> >

> > Teddi

> > mailto:teddifromok@w...

>

>

>

>

>

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Hi SAB, are you taking any PT? I took some in the hospital and then

when I came home. The doctors think it would help me but my ins. co.

won't pay for it. They want my wife to learn how to give me the PT.

She has MS and has a harder time standing straight and walking a

straight line herself. I understand how hard it is to be patient, I

think this disease really helps us to learn that, if we want to or

not, haha. It felt like to me I was taking baby steps at times, 1

step forward then I would fall 3 backwards but I made it and so will

you. I do have muscle damage so I'm not normal but people tell me I

never was. I have been able to go back to work which is frustrating.

Gosh, I wish I could drive my car. But I will one of these days, baby

steps first. It was really hard for me to use a wheelchair and then I

would run into people that I knew and didn't know I had been sick so

they were very surprised and said stupid things. You just use your

equipment and do what you need to do to help yourself. I think I

remember the doctors told me it takes 2-3 months to get the metho in

your system before it starts helping. I have a apt. with the MDA

clinic the 27th Nov. I am curious as to what they can do for me if

anything. I have not been to any myositis support groups. Where are

they at? Hope you are doing better today, take care, lem

> > Hi SAB

> > Let me add my " Welcome " to the rest of them.

> > I'm Teddi from Oklahoma City. I have had

> > DM for almost 7 years. In the process of

> > trying to get off the prednisone and am down

> > to 4mg.....the lowest I have ever gotten..

> > I know you will enjoy this group. Not only

> > is it informative.........we have got some

> > pretty good researchers in the group......

> > but we have fun, a place to moan & whine

> > and a lot of love.

> >

> >

> > Teddi

> > mailto:teddifromok@w...

>

>

>

>

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Correction, I left out the word 'not' as in I am not able to return

to work, wishful thinking, *sigh* lem

> > > Hi SAB

> > > Let me add my " Welcome " to the rest of them.

> > > I'm Teddi from Oklahoma City. I have had

> > > DM for almost 7 years. In the process of

> > > trying to get off the prednisone and am down

> > > to 4mg.....the lowest I have ever gotten..

> > > I know you will enjoy this group. Not only

> > > is it informative.........we have got some

> > > pretty good researchers in the group......

> > > but we have fun, a place to moan & whine

> > > and a lot of love.

> > >

> > >

> > > Teddi

> > > mailto:teddifromok@w...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Correction, I left out the word 'not' as in I am not able to return

to work, wishful thinking, *sigh* lem

> > > Hi SAB

> > > Let me add my " Welcome " to the rest of them.

> > > I'm Teddi from Oklahoma City. I have had

> > > DM for almost 7 years. In the process of

> > > trying to get off the prednisone and am down

> > > to 4mg.....the lowest I have ever gotten..

> > > I know you will enjoy this group. Not only

> > > is it informative.........we have got some

> > > pretty good researchers in the group......

> > > but we have fun, a place to moan & whine

> > > and a lot of love.

> > >

> > >

> > > Teddi

> > > mailto:teddifromok@w...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Correction, I left out the word 'not' as in I am not able to return

to work, wishful thinking, *sigh* lem

> > > Hi SAB

> > > Let me add my " Welcome " to the rest of them.

> > > I'm Teddi from Oklahoma City. I have had

> > > DM for almost 7 years. In the process of

> > > trying to get off the prednisone and am down

> > > to 4mg.....the lowest I have ever gotten..

> > > I know you will enjoy this group. Not only

> > > is it informative.........we have got some

> > > pretty good researchers in the group......

> > > but we have fun, a place to moan & whine

> > > and a lot of love.

> > >

> > >

> > > Teddi

> > > mailto:teddifromok@w...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Lem & SAB

The MAA has the K I T groups which are

support groups. The one for Texas &

Oklahoma is held in Texas. Right now

they would like to split the group and

have one in Ok. but no one wants to

take charge. You have to be a MAA

member to join. Last year I went to

the MAA convention in San Diego and

was really disappointed in the lack of

any real information. Seems like the

answer to every question was " Well,

we really don't know........ " The only

good part was I got to see Vicki &

Zanna in person. The price of membership

has gone up this year.....I believe

it is $50. I didn't rejoin.

Teddi

mailto:teddifromok@...

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Lem & SAB

The MAA has the K I T groups which are

support groups. The one for Texas &

Oklahoma is held in Texas. Right now

they would like to split the group and

have one in Ok. but no one wants to

take charge. You have to be a MAA

member to join. Last year I went to

the MAA convention in San Diego and

was really disappointed in the lack of

any real information. Seems like the

answer to every question was " Well,

we really don't know........ " The only

good part was I got to see Vicki &

Zanna in person. The price of membership

has gone up this year.....I believe

it is $50. I didn't rejoin.

Teddi

mailto:teddifromok@...

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SAB

I think we have all been in the place that you

are right now. it does seem like we will be

stuck there forever but like Lem said it's

the babysteps. One of my biggest thrills

was when (with the help of the walker) I

was able to take a shower by myself. It

was better than an Olympic gold medal!!!

Thrilled my 32 yr old son too.....he was

taking care of me which included bathing

Mom. We got through that but I think it

was harder on him than on me.....LOL

Teddi

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SAB

I think we have all been in the place that you

are right now. it does seem like we will be

stuck there forever but like Lem said it's

the babysteps. One of my biggest thrills

was when (with the help of the walker) I

was able to take a shower by myself. It

was better than an Olympic gold medal!!!

Thrilled my 32 yr old son too.....he was

taking care of me which included bathing

Mom. We got through that but I think it

was harder on him than on me.....LOL

Teddi

mailto:teddifromok@...

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SAB

I think we have all been in the place that you

are right now. it does seem like we will be

stuck there forever but like Lem said it's

the babysteps. One of my biggest thrills

was when (with the help of the walker) I

was able to take a shower by myself. It

was better than an Olympic gold medal!!!

Thrilled my 32 yr old son too.....he was

taking care of me which included bathing

Mom. We got through that but I think it

was harder on him than on me.....LOL

Teddi

mailto:teddifromok@...

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SAB,

Don't worry, you will be able to hold your grandchildren someday. My son was born 10 weeks early and when we brought him home I was getting very sick. He was only 5 pounds and I couldn't get out of a chair with him in my arms. I had to put him on the floor and use both my arms to get up and then pick him up. I couldn't even carry him to walk very far. I did improve and so will you. He is 4 now and nearly 40 pounds and 46 inches tall. I can carry him about 10 feet but that is only if he stands on the bed and holds me. I cannot pick him up and don't even try. I have learned to do things differently with him that I did with my daughter. He and I do a lot of coloring and computer games. My daughter and I used to walk every where and do gardening. They will still love you just as much. It isn't what you can do with them, it is what you can instill in them that counts.

Where is your web page? I would love to read it.

Take care,

Zanna

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SAB,

Don't worry, you will be able to hold your grandchildren someday. My son was born 10 weeks early and when we brought him home I was getting very sick. He was only 5 pounds and I couldn't get out of a chair with him in my arms. I had to put him on the floor and use both my arms to get up and then pick him up. I couldn't even carry him to walk very far. I did improve and so will you. He is 4 now and nearly 40 pounds and 46 inches tall. I can carry him about 10 feet but that is only if he stands on the bed and holds me. I cannot pick him up and don't even try. I have learned to do things differently with him that I did with my daughter. He and I do a lot of coloring and computer games. My daughter and I used to walk every where and do gardening. They will still love you just as much. It isn't what you can do with them, it is what you can instill in them that counts.

Where is your web page? I would love to read it.

Take care,

Zanna

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SAB,

Don't worry, you will be able to hold your grandchildren someday. My son was born 10 weeks early and when we brought him home I was getting very sick. He was only 5 pounds and I couldn't get out of a chair with him in my arms. I had to put him on the floor and use both my arms to get up and then pick him up. I couldn't even carry him to walk very far. I did improve and so will you. He is 4 now and nearly 40 pounds and 46 inches tall. I can carry him about 10 feet but that is only if he stands on the bed and holds me. I cannot pick him up and don't even try. I have learned to do things differently with him that I did with my daughter. He and I do a lot of coloring and computer games. My daughter and I used to walk every where and do gardening. They will still love you just as much. It isn't what you can do with them, it is what you can instill in them that counts.

Where is your web page? I would love to read it.

Take care,

Zanna

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