Guest guest Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 You might want to reconsider the data the Dr. Bledsoe provided earlier on occupational hazard for flight EMS crews vs. ground EMS crews. Consider also the per unit accident rates, not just overall rates. If you look at the percentages or ratios instead of just totals, you might change your mind. Re: Helicopter use [was RE: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS re] > So consider this... Why do we hear about all the flights that crash? > Military, civilian, medical or otherwise, it doesn't matter. We hear > about > them because they are relatively rare. We *don't* hear about every > vehicle > accident that happens every day in the country, because there are way too > many to report, and besides, vehicle collisions aren't " news " . There are > a > multitude of emergency vehicle accidents all over the country each day. > Personally, I'd feel much safer flying than I would on the ground... > > -Meris :-) > > >> >> Mike wrote: >> >> > when's the last time the Presidential copter (or any for the white >> > house staff) crashed? If they're so unsafe, why's the government >> > using them so often? >> >> Perhaps they know maintenance and a less cavalier attitude on when and >> how to fly makes a difference. Military craft still go down. Two did >> today. >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Picked a pt up the other morning (3am) with altered LOC. Wife states that pt has been seeing a neuro in Dallas for a spot on the brain. Pt has been seeing this MD in Dallas for 12 years since the spot was found per his wife. To the ER with 02, IV, LP12 monitor, and blood glucose. I also work in the ER (MedicTech) where the pt was taken. I arrived at 9a, the start of my shift. The pt was flown to Ft. Worth by helicopter, now classified as a emergency. I went in and talked to the pt & wife and they didn't understand why the wife couldn't go by private car, instead of being flown by helicopter. I told them I didn't know, but I would find out. I returned and told them that the accepting doctor wanted the pt over ASAP. Helicopter landed, crew came in, loaded pt. I helped load pt in the helicopter. The pt had only a heplock, no 02, was ambulatory, and had been in the ER over 5 hrs. So why is this now a emergency from the doctor in Dallas and require a helicopter over ground. Just my 2 cents worth. R EMT-P > >Reply-To: >To: >Subject: Re: Helicopter use [was RE: Corpus Christi newspaper >reports on EMS re] >Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 05:44:19 -0800 (PST) > >G > > No disrespect toward you is meant by my response but I have never >called for a Helo just because it is cool or exciting nor the qualified >medics I work with. We do our best to make a good clinical judgment based >on what the Pt. needs and if our local facility can provide that care or >not. Air transport does have a place in EMS as long as good decisions are >made. No I have not ever rode in a Helo and no nothing about the >maintenance of one. All I know is it flys high in the air. The service I >work with is about fifty miles from a level of care greater than four and >we do not routinely transport that far per our system. > > >wegandy1938@... wrote: > Um, Meris........MERIS!!!!! Helloooooooo! Have you ever made an >emergency >forced landing in a helicopter? I have, twice, and you can't just pull >over >on the side of the road. > >I know that intuitively it seems like ground transport is very dangerous. >It is. But air transport is SO WAY MORE! > >Resist that impulse. If man had been meant to fly, he would have been >given >wings! A helo doesn't even have those. Who wants to be under a windmill >that's kept in a straight line only by another windmill? > >If you knew what I know about helo maintenance practices, you'd never get >within 300 yards of one. > >Yes, they are fun. Yes, they are cool. Yes, they kill. My cousin and >her husband were killed in one in New Zealand 3 years ago. Ran into a >power >line landing on the same pad the pilot had landed on hundreds of times. >Why? >One little miscalculation of wind speed and direction. > >I'd rather have a flat tire. Or live to have a Fat Tire! > >Best, > >GG > > > > E.(Gene) Gandy >POB 1651 >Albany, TX 76430 >wegandy1938@... > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Picked a pt up the other morning (3am) with altered LOC. Wife states that pt has been seeing a neuro in Dallas for a spot on the brain. Pt has been seeing this MD in Dallas for 12 years since the spot was found per his wife. To the ER with 02, IV, LP12 monitor, and blood glucose. I also work in the ER (MedicTech) where the pt was taken. I arrived at 9a, the start of my shift. The pt was flown to Ft. Worth by helicopter, now classified as a emergency. I went in and talked to the pt & wife and they didn't understand why the wife couldn't go by private car, instead of being flown by helicopter. I told them I didn't know, but I would find out. I returned and told them that the accepting doctor wanted the pt over ASAP. Helicopter landed, crew came in, loaded pt. I helped load pt in the helicopter. The pt had only a heplock, no 02, was ambulatory, and had been in the ER over 5 hrs. So why is this now a emergency from the doctor in Dallas and require a helicopter over ground. Just my 2 cents worth. R EMT-P > >Reply-To: >To: >Subject: Re: Helicopter use [was RE: Corpus Christi newspaper >reports on EMS re] >Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 05:44:19 -0800 (PST) > >G > > No disrespect toward you is meant by my response but I have never >called for a Helo just because it is cool or exciting nor the qualified >medics I work with. We do our best to make a good clinical judgment based >on what the Pt. needs and if our local facility can provide that care or >not. Air transport does have a place in EMS as long as good decisions are >made. No I have not ever rode in a Helo and no nothing about the >maintenance of one. All I know is it flys high in the air. The service I >work with is about fifty miles from a level of care greater than four and >we do not routinely transport that far per our system. > > >wegandy1938@... wrote: > Um, Meris........MERIS!!!!! Helloooooooo! Have you ever made an >emergency >forced landing in a helicopter? I have, twice, and you can't just pull >over >on the side of the road. > >I know that intuitively it seems like ground transport is very dangerous. >It is. But air transport is SO WAY MORE! > >Resist that impulse. If man had been meant to fly, he would have been >given >wings! A helo doesn't even have those. Who wants to be under a windmill >that's kept in a straight line only by another windmill? > >If you knew what I know about helo maintenance practices, you'd never get >within 300 yards of one. > >Yes, they are fun. Yes, they are cool. Yes, they kill. My cousin and >her husband were killed in one in New Zealand 3 years ago. Ran into a >power >line landing on the same pad the pilot had landed on hundreds of times. >Why? >One little miscalculation of wind speed and direction. > >I'd rather have a flat tire. Or live to have a Fat Tire! > >Best, > >GG > > > > E.(Gene) Gandy >POB 1651 >Albany, TX 76430 >wegandy1938@... > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 The doctor in Fort Worth should be sent the bill. I realize that we physicians sit at the top of the medicine food chain. But, there is no reason to suffer a paralysis of intellect just because you don't want to wait. Likewise, there is no reason to disrespect or demean another member of the health care team just because you hold a coveted MD (or DO) degree. It won't be long when more and more flights are denied by insurance companies and independent reviewers actually point the finger at who made the bad decision. _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of rodney jones Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 8:21 AM To: Subject: Re: Helicopter use Picked a pt up the other morning (3am) with altered LOC. Wife states that pt has been seeing a neuro in Dallas for a spot on the brain. Pt has been seeing this MD in Dallas for 12 years since the spot was found per his wife. To the ER with 02, IV, LP12 monitor, and blood glucose. I also work in the ER (MedicTech) where the pt was taken. I arrived at 9a, the start of my shift. The pt was flown to Ft. Worth by helicopter, now classified as a emergency. I went in and talked to the pt & wife and they didn't understand why the wife couldn't go by private car, instead of being flown by helicopter. I told them I didn't know, but I would find out. I returned and told them that the accepting doctor wanted the pt over ASAP. Helicopter landed, crew came in, loaded pt. I helped load pt in the helicopter. The pt had only a heplock, no 02, was ambulatory, and had been in the ER over 5 hrs. So why is this now a emergency from the doctor in Dallas and require a helicopter over ground. Just my 2 cents worth. R EMT-P > >Reply-To: >To: >Subject: Re: Helicopter use [was RE: Corpus Christi newspaper >reports on EMS re] >Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 05:44:19 -0800 (PST) > >G > > No disrespect toward you is meant by my response but I have never >called for a Helo just because it is cool or exciting nor the qualified >medics I work with. We do our best to make a good clinical judgment based >on what the Pt. needs and if our local facility can provide that care or >not. Air transport does have a place in EMS as long as good decisions are >made. No I have not ever rode in a Helo and no nothing about the >maintenance of one. All I know is it flys high in the air. The service I >work with is about fifty miles from a level of care greater than four and >we do not routinely transport that far per our system. > > >wegandy1938@... wrote: > Um, Meris........MERIS!!!!! Helloooooooo! Have you ever made an >emergency >forced landing in a helicopter? I have, twice, and you can't just pull >over >on the side of the road. > >I know that intuitively it seems like ground transport is very dangerous. >It is. But air transport is SO WAY MORE! > >Resist that impulse. If man had been meant to fly, he would have been >given >wings! A helo doesn't even have those. Who wants to be under a windmill >that's kept in a straight line only by another windmill? > >If you knew what I know about helo maintenance practices, you'd never get >within 300 yards of one. > >Yes, they are fun. Yes, they are cool. Yes, they kill. My cousin and >her husband were killed in one in New Zealand 3 years ago. Ran into a >power >line landing on the same pad the pilot had landed on hundreds of times. >Why? >One little miscalculation of wind speed and direction. > >I'd rather have a flat tire. Or live to have a Fat Tire! > >Best, > >GG > > > > E.(Gene) Gandy >POB 1651 >Albany, TX 76430 >wegandy1938@... > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Since you obviously understand statistics well enough to discount the information which Dr. Bledsoe provided, could you tell me if the accident rates and fatality rates for helicopter EMS have a statistically significant difference from ground EMS? Wes " Bean Counter " Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B Austin, Texas P.S. -- It's not bean-counting we're pushing, it's critical thinking and rigorous application of the scientific method. In a message dated 2/19/2006 5:06:30 PM Central Standard Time, flynmedic@... writes: Bledsoe tried to scare me away from helicopters about a month ago with his statistics...but after the statistics quoted earlier on the general ground units...maybe we can find work raising the mules they will need to transport patients after they eliminate all the possibly dangerous forms of transport. Interesting how these stats contradict the statements made… which is it 60% more likely or is it 700% more likely to die. The second stats are ridiculous. I think someone is little Bean Counter happy… Fatal Crashes per Million Flight Hours (2001): Airlines 1 Commuter 6 Ground Ambulance 12 Military (non-combat) 12 All Helicopters 12 Medical Helicopters 19 NEXT>>>>>> That is the reason they equalize deaths per 100,000 person years: Average worker = 4.6 Firefighting = 11 General EMS = 12 Police Work = 13 Farming = 26 Mining = 27 Medical Helicopter = 75 Alaska Crab Fishing = 77 Dr Bledsoe--Just out of curiosity (I'm sure I'll regret this) what do you propose we do about this atrocious problem? Make us all stay home? What's the solution? And please don't say…do a study or gather more statistics. What's the real world solution here? > > >> > > >> > when's the last time the Presidential copter (or any for the > white > > >> > house staff) crashed? If they're so unsafe, why's the > government > > >> > using them so often? > > >> > > >> Perhaps they know maintenance and a less cavalier attitude on > when and > > >> how to fly makes a difference. Military craft still go down. > Two did > > >> today. > > >> > > >> -- > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Since you obviously understand statistics well enough to discount the information which Dr. Bledsoe provided, could you tell me if the accident rates and fatality rates for helicopter EMS have a statistically significant difference from ground EMS? Wes " Bean Counter " Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B Austin, Texas P.S. -- It's not bean-counting we're pushing, it's critical thinking and rigorous application of the scientific method. In a message dated 2/19/2006 5:06:30 PM Central Standard Time, flynmedic@... writes: Bledsoe tried to scare me away from helicopters about a month ago with his statistics...but after the statistics quoted earlier on the general ground units...maybe we can find work raising the mules they will need to transport patients after they eliminate all the possibly dangerous forms of transport. Interesting how these stats contradict the statements made… which is it 60% more likely or is it 700% more likely to die. The second stats are ridiculous. I think someone is little Bean Counter happy… Fatal Crashes per Million Flight Hours (2001): Airlines 1 Commuter 6 Ground Ambulance 12 Military (non-combat) 12 All Helicopters 12 Medical Helicopters 19 NEXT>>>>>> That is the reason they equalize deaths per 100,000 person years: Average worker = 4.6 Firefighting = 11 General EMS = 12 Police Work = 13 Farming = 26 Mining = 27 Medical Helicopter = 75 Alaska Crab Fishing = 77 Dr Bledsoe--Just out of curiosity (I'm sure I'll regret this) what do you propose we do about this atrocious problem? Make us all stay home? What's the solution? And please don't say…do a study or gather more statistics. What's the real world solution here? > > >> > > >> > when's the last time the Presidential copter (or any for the > white > > >> > house staff) crashed? If they're so unsafe, why's the > government > > >> > using them so often? > > >> > > >> Perhaps they know maintenance and a less cavalier attitude on > when and > > >> how to fly makes a difference. Military craft still go down. > Two did > > >> today. > > >> > > >> -- > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Since you obviously understand statistics well enough to discount the information which Dr. Bledsoe provided, could you tell me if the accident rates and fatality rates for helicopter EMS have a statistically significant difference from ground EMS? Wes " Bean Counter " Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B Austin, Texas P.S. -- It's not bean-counting we're pushing, it's critical thinking and rigorous application of the scientific method. In a message dated 2/19/2006 5:06:30 PM Central Standard Time, flynmedic@... writes: Bledsoe tried to scare me away from helicopters about a month ago with his statistics...but after the statistics quoted earlier on the general ground units...maybe we can find work raising the mules they will need to transport patients after they eliminate all the possibly dangerous forms of transport. Interesting how these stats contradict the statements made… which is it 60% more likely or is it 700% more likely to die. The second stats are ridiculous. I think someone is little Bean Counter happy… Fatal Crashes per Million Flight Hours (2001): Airlines 1 Commuter 6 Ground Ambulance 12 Military (non-combat) 12 All Helicopters 12 Medical Helicopters 19 NEXT>>>>>> That is the reason they equalize deaths per 100,000 person years: Average worker = 4.6 Firefighting = 11 General EMS = 12 Police Work = 13 Farming = 26 Mining = 27 Medical Helicopter = 75 Alaska Crab Fishing = 77 Dr Bledsoe--Just out of curiosity (I'm sure I'll regret this) what do you propose we do about this atrocious problem? Make us all stay home? What's the solution? And please don't say…do a study or gather more statistics. What's the real world solution here? > > >> > > >> > when's the last time the Presidential copter (or any for the > white > > >> > house staff) crashed? If they're so unsafe, why's the > government > > >> > using them so often? > > >> > > >> Perhaps they know maintenance and a less cavalier attitude on > when and > > >> how to fly makes a difference. Military craft still go down. > Two did > > >> today. > > >> > > >> -- > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Of course, you must be discounting the number of people killed/maimed by wayward mules, horses, and other asses over the years. Kirk EMT-B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 You should perhaps look at a different profession all together then as the statistic for it as a whole a pretty dangerous. Maybe we should just all stay home…. Jon > >> > >> > when's the last time the Presidential copter (or any for the white > >> > house staff) crashed? If they're so unsafe, why's the government > >> > using them so often? > >> > >> Perhaps they know maintenance and a less cavalier attitude on when and > >> how to fly makes a difference. Military craft still go down. Two did > >> today. > >> > >> -- > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 I believe it was Clemens that said " There are lies, damn lies, and statistics. " At any instance any of us can become a statistic whether it was our fault or not. You do the best job you can to minimize/mitigate the dangers. That's why we wear gloves, body armor, bunker gear, what have you. Kirk EMT-B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 I believe it was Clemens that said " There are lies, damn lies, and statistics. " At any instance any of us can become a statistic whether it was our fault or not. You do the best job you can to minimize/mitigate the dangers. That's why we wear gloves, body armor, bunker gear, what have you. Kirk EMT-B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Yes.away with all helicopters...Oh, maybe I should rethink flying on my next vacation. It might get hijacked or worse yet, it might crash!!! Gotta laugh at it all! Will admit, there are some good points in this long, long, long post. Bobby _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Jon Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 3:48 PM To: Subject: Re: Helicopter use You should perhaps look at a different profession all together then as the statistic for it as a whole a pretty dangerous. Maybe we should just all stay home.. Jon > >> > >> > when's the last time the Presidential copter (or any for the white > >> > house staff) crashed? If they're so unsafe, why's the government > >> > using them so often? > >> > >> Perhaps they know maintenance and a less cavalier attitude on when and > >> how to fly makes a difference. Military craft still go down. Two did > >> today. > >> > >> -- > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 I sit corrected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Aahh, but that's not what the numbers say. For commercial aviation, the chance of a crash being fatal is very, very high - but the chance of being in a crash is very, very low compared to driving. For aeromedical transport, though, the chance of being in an accident is HIGHER than EMS ground transport *AND* the chance of it being fatal is HIGHER. Significantly different risk factors. Mike > > Yes.away with all helicopters...Oh, maybe I should rethink flying on my > next > vacation. It might get hijacked or worse yet, it might crash!!! Gotta > laugh > at it all! > > Will admit, there are some good points in this long, long, long post. > > Bobby > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Aahh, but that's not what the numbers say. For commercial aviation, the chance of a crash being fatal is very, very high - but the chance of being in a crash is very, very low compared to driving. For aeromedical transport, though, the chance of being in an accident is HIGHER than EMS ground transport *AND* the chance of it being fatal is HIGHER. Significantly different risk factors. Mike > > Yes.away with all helicopters...Oh, maybe I should rethink flying on my > next > vacation. It might get hijacked or worse yet, it might crash!!! Gotta > laugh > at it all! > > Will admit, there are some good points in this long, long, long post. > > Bobby > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Bledsoe tried to scare me away from helicopters about a month ago with his statistics...but after the statistics quoted earlier on the general ground units...maybe we can find work raising the mules they will need to transport patients after they eliminate all the possibly dangerous forms of transport. Interesting how these stats contradict the statements made… which is it 60% more likely or is it 700% more likely to die. The second stats are ridiculous. I think someone is little Bean Counter happy… Fatal Crashes per Million Flight Hours (2001): Airlines 1 Commuter 6 Ground Ambulance 12 Military (non-combat) 12 All Helicopters 12 Medical Helicopters 19 NEXT>>>>>> That is the reason they equalize deaths per 100,000 person years: Average worker = 4.6 Firefighting = 11 General EMS = 12 Police Work = 13 Farming = 26 Mining = 27 Medical Helicopter = 75 Alaska Crab Fishing = 77 Dr Bledsoe--Just out of curiosity (I'm sure I'll regret this) what do you propose we do about this atrocious problem? Make us all stay home? What's the solution? And please don't say…do a study or gather more statistics. What's the real world solution here? > > >> > > >> > when's the last time the Presidential copter (or any for the > white > > >> > house staff) crashed? If they're so unsafe, why's the > government > > >> > using them so often? > > >> > > >> Perhaps they know maintenance and a less cavalier attitude on > when and > > >> how to fly makes a difference. Military craft still go down. > Two did > > >> today. > > >> > > >> -- > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Bledsoe tried to scare me away from helicopters about a month ago with his statistics...but after the statistics quoted earlier on the general ground units...maybe we can find work raising the mules they will need to transport patients after they eliminate all the possibly dangerous forms of transport. Interesting how these stats contradict the statements made… which is it 60% more likely or is it 700% more likely to die. The second stats are ridiculous. I think someone is little Bean Counter happy… Fatal Crashes per Million Flight Hours (2001): Airlines 1 Commuter 6 Ground Ambulance 12 Military (non-combat) 12 All Helicopters 12 Medical Helicopters 19 NEXT>>>>>> That is the reason they equalize deaths per 100,000 person years: Average worker = 4.6 Firefighting = 11 General EMS = 12 Police Work = 13 Farming = 26 Mining = 27 Medical Helicopter = 75 Alaska Crab Fishing = 77 Dr Bledsoe--Just out of curiosity (I'm sure I'll regret this) what do you propose we do about this atrocious problem? Make us all stay home? What's the solution? And please don't say…do a study or gather more statistics. What's the real world solution here? > > >> > > >> > when's the last time the Presidential copter (or any for the > white > > >> > house staff) crashed? If they're so unsafe, why's the > government > > >> > using them so often? > > >> > > >> Perhaps they know maintenance and a less cavalier attitude on > when and > > >> how to fly makes a difference. Military craft still go down. > Two did > > >> today. > > >> > > >> -- > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Bledsoe tried to scare me away from helicopters about a month ago with his statistics...but after the statistics quoted earlier on the general ground units...maybe we can find work raising the mules they will need to transport patients after they eliminate all the possibly dangerous forms of transport. Interesting how these stats contradict the statements made… which is it 60% more likely or is it 700% more likely to die. The second stats are ridiculous. I think someone is little Bean Counter happy… Fatal Crashes per Million Flight Hours (2001): Airlines 1 Commuter 6 Ground Ambulance 12 Military (non-combat) 12 All Helicopters 12 Medical Helicopters 19 NEXT>>>>>> That is the reason they equalize deaths per 100,000 person years: Average worker = 4.6 Firefighting = 11 General EMS = 12 Police Work = 13 Farming = 26 Mining = 27 Medical Helicopter = 75 Alaska Crab Fishing = 77 Dr Bledsoe--Just out of curiosity (I'm sure I'll regret this) what do you propose we do about this atrocious problem? Make us all stay home? What's the solution? And please don't say…do a study or gather more statistics. What's the real world solution here? > > >> > > >> > when's the last time the Presidential copter (or any for the > white > > >> > house staff) crashed? If they're so unsafe, why's the > government > > >> > using them so often? > > >> > > >> Perhaps they know maintenance and a less cavalier attitude on > when and > > >> how to fly makes a difference. Military craft still go down. > Two did > > >> today. > > >> > > >> -- > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Fly until you die. _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Jon Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 5:06 PM To: Subject: Re: Helicopter use Bledsoe tried to scare me away from helicopters about a month ago with his statistics...but after the statistics quoted earlier on the general ground units...maybe we can find work raising the mules they will need to transport patients after they eliminate all the possibly dangerous forms of transport. Interesting how these stats contradict the statements made. which is it 60% more likely or is it 700% more likely to die. The second stats are ridiculous. I think someone is little Bean Counter happy. Fatal Crashes per Million Flight Hours (2001): Airlines 1 Commuter 6 Ground Ambulance 12 Military (non-combat) 12 All Helicopters 12 Medical Helicopters 19 NEXT>>>>>> That is the reason they equalize deaths per 100,000 person years: Average worker = 4.6 Firefighting = 11 General EMS = 12 Police Work = 13 Farming = 26 Mining = 27 Medical Helicopter = 75 Alaska Crab Fishing = 77 Dr Bledsoe--Just out of curiosity (I'm sure I'll regret this) what do you propose we do about this atrocious problem? Make us all stay home? What's the solution? And please don't say.do a study or gather more statistics. What's the real world solution here? > > >> > > >> > when's the last time the Presidential copter (or any for the > white > > >> > house staff) crashed? If they're so unsafe, why's the > government > > >> > using them so often? > > >> > > >> Perhaps they know maintenance and a less cavalier attitude on > when and > > >> how to fly makes a difference. Military craft still go down. > Two did > > >> today. > > >> > > >> -- > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Fly until you die. _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Jon Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 5:06 PM To: Subject: Re: Helicopter use Bledsoe tried to scare me away from helicopters about a month ago with his statistics...but after the statistics quoted earlier on the general ground units...maybe we can find work raising the mules they will need to transport patients after they eliminate all the possibly dangerous forms of transport. Interesting how these stats contradict the statements made. which is it 60% more likely or is it 700% more likely to die. The second stats are ridiculous. I think someone is little Bean Counter happy. Fatal Crashes per Million Flight Hours (2001): Airlines 1 Commuter 6 Ground Ambulance 12 Military (non-combat) 12 All Helicopters 12 Medical Helicopters 19 NEXT>>>>>> That is the reason they equalize deaths per 100,000 person years: Average worker = 4.6 Firefighting = 11 General EMS = 12 Police Work = 13 Farming = 26 Mining = 27 Medical Helicopter = 75 Alaska Crab Fishing = 77 Dr Bledsoe--Just out of curiosity (I'm sure I'll regret this) what do you propose we do about this atrocious problem? Make us all stay home? What's the solution? And please don't say.do a study or gather more statistics. What's the real world solution here? > > >> > > >> > when's the last time the Presidential copter (or any for the > white > > >> > house staff) crashed? If they're so unsafe, why's the > government > > >> > using them so often? > > >> > > >> Perhaps they know maintenance and a less cavalier attitude on > when and > > >> how to fly makes a difference. Military craft still go down. > Two did > > >> today. > > >> > > >> -- > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Fly until you die. _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Jon Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 5:06 PM To: Subject: Re: Helicopter use Bledsoe tried to scare me away from helicopters about a month ago with his statistics...but after the statistics quoted earlier on the general ground units...maybe we can find work raising the mules they will need to transport patients after they eliminate all the possibly dangerous forms of transport. Interesting how these stats contradict the statements made. which is it 60% more likely or is it 700% more likely to die. The second stats are ridiculous. I think someone is little Bean Counter happy. Fatal Crashes per Million Flight Hours (2001): Airlines 1 Commuter 6 Ground Ambulance 12 Military (non-combat) 12 All Helicopters 12 Medical Helicopters 19 NEXT>>>>>> That is the reason they equalize deaths per 100,000 person years: Average worker = 4.6 Firefighting = 11 General EMS = 12 Police Work = 13 Farming = 26 Mining = 27 Medical Helicopter = 75 Alaska Crab Fishing = 77 Dr Bledsoe--Just out of curiosity (I'm sure I'll regret this) what do you propose we do about this atrocious problem? Make us all stay home? What's the solution? And please don't say.do a study or gather more statistics. What's the real world solution here? > > >> > > >> > when's the last time the Presidential copter (or any for the > white > > >> > house staff) crashed? If they're so unsafe, why's the > government > > >> > using them so often? > > >> > > >> Perhaps they know maintenance and a less cavalier attitude on > when and > > >> how to fly makes a difference. Military craft still go down. > Two did > > >> today. > > >> > > >> -- > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 OK. No statistics-just emotion: http://www.jems.com/Columnists/bledsoe/articles/15304/ _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Jon Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 5:06 PM To: Subject: Re: Helicopter use Bledsoe tried to scare me away from helicopters about a month ago with his statistics...but after the statistics quoted earlier on the general ground units...maybe we can find work raising the mules they will need to transport patients after they eliminate all the possibly dangerous forms of transport. Interesting how these stats contradict the statements made. which is it 60% more likely or is it 700% more likely to die. The second stats are ridiculous. I think someone is little Bean Counter happy. Fatal Crashes per Million Flight Hours (2001): Airlines 1 Commuter 6 Ground Ambulance 12 Military (non-combat) 12 All Helicopters 12 Medical Helicopters 19 NEXT>>>>>> That is the reason they equalize deaths per 100,000 person years: Average worker = 4.6 Firefighting = 11 General EMS = 12 Police Work = 13 Farming = 26 Mining = 27 Medical Helicopter = 75 Alaska Crab Fishing = 77 Dr Bledsoe--Just out of curiosity (I'm sure I'll regret this) what do you propose we do about this atrocious problem? Make us all stay home? What's the solution? And please don't say.do a study or gather more statistics. What's the real world solution here? > > >> > > >> > when's the last time the Presidential copter (or any for the > white > > >> > house staff) crashed? If they're so unsafe, why's the > government > > >> > using them so often? > > >> > > >> Perhaps they know maintenance and a less cavalier attitude on > when and > > >> how to fly makes a difference. Military craft still go down. > Two did > > >> today. > > >> > > >> -- > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Nice... > > > >> > > > >> > when's the last time the Presidential copter (or any for > the > > white > > > >> > house staff) crashed? If they're so unsafe, why's the > > government > > > >> > using them so often? > > > >> > > > >> Perhaps they know maintenance and a less cavalier attitude on > > when and > > > >> how to fly makes a difference. Military craft still go down. > > Two did > > > >> today. > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Nice... > > > >> > > > >> > when's the last time the Presidential copter (or any for > the > > white > > > >> > house staff) crashed? If they're so unsafe, why's the > > government > > > >> > using them so often? > > > >> > > > >> Perhaps they know maintenance and a less cavalier attitude on > > when and > > > >> how to fly makes a difference. Military craft still go down. > > Two did > > > >> today. > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Nice... > > > >> > > > >> > when's the last time the Presidential copter (or any for > the > > white > > > >> > house staff) crashed? If they're so unsafe, why's the > > government > > > >> > using them so often? > > > >> > > > >> Perhaps they know maintenance and a less cavalier attitude on > > when and > > > >> how to fly makes a difference. Military craft still go down. > > Two did > > > >> today. > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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