Guest guest Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 Wow, did a nerve get stepped on? Not the intention, promise. Oh, and I'm glad that you have some personal protection but sorry you've had to pull it. That's always a sticky situation to be in. Off the subject, I have the same Ruger with the stainless bull barrel; very nice target gun. In fact, I have a very nice collection of military and target weapons. I spent the weekend with my family, so no, don't believe you had any MORE fun..and I own, free and clear, my home (125k +) and one 2006 vehicle (Z71 Tahoe) I hope we all have a good day! Gods Speed, BB _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Red Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 5:09 PM To: Subject: RE: Re: Helicopter use ok..... I just read this one.... 50 is not old....and I have a handgun..... I live in Houston.......carry it whenever I travel alone, have had to pull it twice.....women cannot be stranded for any reason on the side of the road anymore without being at risk..... And competition shooting is fun... I have a competition stainless steel Ruger with a bull barrel, it's a 22 and I like the steel targets... lots of fun..so is 50.... Bet my weekend was more fun than yours.... and bet I had more money to spend...that's the beauty of 50...... Bobby Brinson wrote: Doc, first of all, you're old! Secondly, I am glad you told us about the gay bar thing!! Thirdly and lastly, very professional and sincere statement. Education is the key to all success. Sometimes that education hurts! I say all of that with nothing but respect! _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Bledsoe, DO Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 6:00 PM To: Subject: RE: Re: Helicopter use I'll be serious now. There is a saying in medicine: " Good judgment comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgment. " I am now 50-years-old and lucky to be here. When I was young, I did all sorts of stupid things. I used to drag race motorcycles. I have ridden a motorcycle at over 130 MPH on Loop 820 in Fort Worth. When I was a paramedic and EMT, we only used gloves to pick up bodies. I have had more blood on my hands than the curator of the Coliseum in Rome. I once ran an MCI for a knife fight in the most notorious gay bar in Fort Worth before we ever heard of AIDS. I was covered in blood (I was on-duty--not in the bar). We used to volunteer for all sorts of stupid experiments when I was a medical student. I took one of the first Hepatitis B vaccines ever developed--made from the serum of Oklahoma prisoners with antibodies to hepatitis B. I was a helicopter medic. We used to rappel from helicopters for the fun of it. I was once in a Bell 206 that flew under a highway bridge in Fort Worth. I have a bullet fragment in my right forearm from entering an apartment complex (oh well, " projects " ) cause I was macho and didn't want to wait for the cops. I used to collect hand guns. In 1999 I was so ill I received Last Rites from the Catholic Church. Fortunately, I survived and my outlook on life changed. I learned through all this that life is precious and medicine is a calling and a privilege as is EMS. While we all have to learn through our own experiences, it never hurts to heed the experiences of others. Now, I am very careful about wearing gloves. I am very cautious riding motorcycles and will not ride one outside of a rural environment. I am cautious in bad neighborhoods and on streets that look unsafe. I gave up hand guns and now collect something I will be glad to pass on to my grandson-first editions of Mark Twain's books. I am not for taking anybody's handguns away, I just don't feel anybody but the cops and military need them. I just have seen too many dead teenagers on my ED bed due to a gun shot from another teenager. You can interpret the second amendment as you want, that is just how I see it. I have seen more people die than most people would see in a millennium. Human life is precious. We all must believe that or we would not put up with the poor wages and other bullshit inherent in EMS. The counteracting mechanical forces of a helicopter make for a wonderful device. As Igor Sikorsky said, " If you're in trouble anywhere in the world, an airplane can land and drop you flowers; a helicopter can land and save your life. " Helicopters can save some lives. We need perhaps 10 medical helicopters for all for Texas. There are 17+ in DFW and that is why you hear stories like the one earlier today about the patient with the brain tumor. As you mature, you measure risks against benefits for everything--not just your family, but yourself. I was supposed to go to Cuba last year to do a series for JEMS. Castro was cracking down on dissidents. I decided it safest not to go. Ten years ago I would have been there and maybe never heard from again. The helicopter issue is a major problem in the US. I love helicopters. I like looking at them. I love riding in them--I have even landed one once. But, when you choose to take a mission, as occurred recently in Indiana, you are making a decision for your crew (which I know the mantra, " Three to go, one to stay. " ), but you are also making a decision for the patient who does not know the risks and benefits you do. And if you tell me that all helicopter EMS services practice safety first, I can direct you to over 70 NTSB reports that say they don't. Helicopter EMS has a macho culture--some of which due to the military influence. Now that I am older I have found myself giving eulogies for friends and co-workers. There is nothing more sobering. The JEMS article I linked was my way of dealing with the loss of life that contacted me. Each of us has a way of doing that. That was mine. Make your own mistakes. Learn. Don't place anybody else at risk while you do so. This comes from one with experience in doing so. And don't forget that there is more to life than EMS and helicopters. As Mark Twain said, " So throw off the bowline. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. " Just don't endanger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 Wow, did a nerve get stepped on? Not the intention, promise. Oh, and I'm glad that you have some personal protection but sorry you've had to pull it. That's always a sticky situation to be in. Off the subject, I have the same Ruger with the stainless bull barrel; very nice target gun. In fact, I have a very nice collection of military and target weapons. I spent the weekend with my family, so no, don't believe you had any MORE fun..and I own, free and clear, my home (125k +) and one 2006 vehicle (Z71 Tahoe) I hope we all have a good day! Gods Speed, BB _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Red Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 5:09 PM To: Subject: RE: Re: Helicopter use ok..... I just read this one.... 50 is not old....and I have a handgun..... I live in Houston.......carry it whenever I travel alone, have had to pull it twice.....women cannot be stranded for any reason on the side of the road anymore without being at risk..... And competition shooting is fun... I have a competition stainless steel Ruger with a bull barrel, it's a 22 and I like the steel targets... lots of fun..so is 50.... Bet my weekend was more fun than yours.... and bet I had more money to spend...that's the beauty of 50...... Bobby Brinson wrote: Doc, first of all, you're old! Secondly, I am glad you told us about the gay bar thing!! Thirdly and lastly, very professional and sincere statement. Education is the key to all success. Sometimes that education hurts! I say all of that with nothing but respect! _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Bledsoe, DO Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 6:00 PM To: Subject: RE: Re: Helicopter use I'll be serious now. There is a saying in medicine: " Good judgment comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgment. " I am now 50-years-old and lucky to be here. When I was young, I did all sorts of stupid things. I used to drag race motorcycles. I have ridden a motorcycle at over 130 MPH on Loop 820 in Fort Worth. When I was a paramedic and EMT, we only used gloves to pick up bodies. I have had more blood on my hands than the curator of the Coliseum in Rome. I once ran an MCI for a knife fight in the most notorious gay bar in Fort Worth before we ever heard of AIDS. I was covered in blood (I was on-duty--not in the bar). We used to volunteer for all sorts of stupid experiments when I was a medical student. I took one of the first Hepatitis B vaccines ever developed--made from the serum of Oklahoma prisoners with antibodies to hepatitis B. I was a helicopter medic. We used to rappel from helicopters for the fun of it. I was once in a Bell 206 that flew under a highway bridge in Fort Worth. I have a bullet fragment in my right forearm from entering an apartment complex (oh well, " projects " ) cause I was macho and didn't want to wait for the cops. I used to collect hand guns. In 1999 I was so ill I received Last Rites from the Catholic Church. Fortunately, I survived and my outlook on life changed. I learned through all this that life is precious and medicine is a calling and a privilege as is EMS. While we all have to learn through our own experiences, it never hurts to heed the experiences of others. Now, I am very careful about wearing gloves. I am very cautious riding motorcycles and will not ride one outside of a rural environment. I am cautious in bad neighborhoods and on streets that look unsafe. I gave up hand guns and now collect something I will be glad to pass on to my grandson-first editions of Mark Twain's books. I am not for taking anybody's handguns away, I just don't feel anybody but the cops and military need them. I just have seen too many dead teenagers on my ED bed due to a gun shot from another teenager. You can interpret the second amendment as you want, that is just how I see it. I have seen more people die than most people would see in a millennium. Human life is precious. We all must believe that or we would not put up with the poor wages and other bullshit inherent in EMS. The counteracting mechanical forces of a helicopter make for a wonderful device. As Igor Sikorsky said, " If you're in trouble anywhere in the world, an airplane can land and drop you flowers; a helicopter can land and save your life. " Helicopters can save some lives. We need perhaps 10 medical helicopters for all for Texas. There are 17+ in DFW and that is why you hear stories like the one earlier today about the patient with the brain tumor. As you mature, you measure risks against benefits for everything--not just your family, but yourself. I was supposed to go to Cuba last year to do a series for JEMS. Castro was cracking down on dissidents. I decided it safest not to go. Ten years ago I would have been there and maybe never heard from again. The helicopter issue is a major problem in the US. I love helicopters. I like looking at them. I love riding in them--I have even landed one once. But, when you choose to take a mission, as occurred recently in Indiana, you are making a decision for your crew (which I know the mantra, " Three to go, one to stay. " ), but you are also making a decision for the patient who does not know the risks and benefits you do. And if you tell me that all helicopter EMS services practice safety first, I can direct you to over 70 NTSB reports that say they don't. Helicopter EMS has a macho culture--some of which due to the military influence. Now that I am older I have found myself giving eulogies for friends and co-workers. There is nothing more sobering. The JEMS article I linked was my way of dealing with the loss of life that contacted me. Each of us has a way of doing that. That was mine. Make your own mistakes. Learn. Don't place anybody else at risk while you do so. This comes from one with experience in doing so. And don't forget that there is more to life than EMS and helicopters. As Mark Twain said, " So throw off the bowline. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. " Just don't endanger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 It would be safer to be secured while in motion but sometimes Pt. care is needed during the transport. IV intubations cpr ect. Would be safer but not possible unless you just stop Pt. care while you are moving. THEDUDMAN@... wrote: I don't see a reason to stay at home and not do anything...but I do think that it is time we, as an industry, started truly examining what and why we do what we do...and truly try and make changes that can protect all of us. This probably includes only using helicopters in finite defined circumstances, finding and mandating that all EMS personnel are restrained at ALL times the vehicle is in motion (yeah...in the back too) and other steps as they are proven to make a difference. BTW, did anyone see the recommendation late in the week that EMS personnel in the back of ambulances be made to wear helmets??? We don't need to stay home...we just need to do what is necessary to stay as safe as possible. Dudley Re: Helicopter use You should perhaps look at a different profession all together then as the statistic for it as a whole a pretty dangerous. Maybe we should just all stay home?. Jon > >> > >> > when's the last time the Presidential copter (or any for the white > >> > house staff) crashed? If they're so unsafe, why's the government > >> > using them so often? > >> > >> Perhaps they know maintenance and a less cavalier attitude on when and > >> how to fly makes a difference. Military craft still go down. Two did > >> today. > >> > >> -- > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 It would be safer to be secured while in motion but sometimes Pt. care is needed during the transport. IV intubations cpr ect. Would be safer but not possible unless you just stop Pt. care while you are moving. THEDUDMAN@... wrote: I don't see a reason to stay at home and not do anything...but I do think that it is time we, as an industry, started truly examining what and why we do what we do...and truly try and make changes that can protect all of us. This probably includes only using helicopters in finite defined circumstances, finding and mandating that all EMS personnel are restrained at ALL times the vehicle is in motion (yeah...in the back too) and other steps as they are proven to make a difference. BTW, did anyone see the recommendation late in the week that EMS personnel in the back of ambulances be made to wear helmets??? We don't need to stay home...we just need to do what is necessary to stay as safe as possible. Dudley Re: Helicopter use You should perhaps look at a different profession all together then as the statistic for it as a whole a pretty dangerous. Maybe we should just all stay home?. Jon > >> > >> > when's the last time the Presidential copter (or any for the white > >> > house staff) crashed? If they're so unsafe, why's the government > >> > using them so often? > >> > >> Perhaps they know maintenance and a less cavalier attitude on when and > >> how to fly makes a difference. Military craft still go down. Two did > >> today. > >> > >> -- > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 It would be safer to be secured while in motion but sometimes Pt. care is needed during the transport. IV intubations cpr ect. Would be safer but not possible unless you just stop Pt. care while you are moving. THEDUDMAN@... wrote: I don't see a reason to stay at home and not do anything...but I do think that it is time we, as an industry, started truly examining what and why we do what we do...and truly try and make changes that can protect all of us. This probably includes only using helicopters in finite defined circumstances, finding and mandating that all EMS personnel are restrained at ALL times the vehicle is in motion (yeah...in the back too) and other steps as they are proven to make a difference. BTW, did anyone see the recommendation late in the week that EMS personnel in the back of ambulances be made to wear helmets??? We don't need to stay home...we just need to do what is necessary to stay as safe as possible. Dudley Re: Helicopter use You should perhaps look at a different profession all together then as the statistic for it as a whole a pretty dangerous. Maybe we should just all stay home?. Jon > >> > >> > when's the last time the Presidential copter (or any for the white > >> > house staff) crashed? If they're so unsafe, why's the government > >> > using them so often? > >> > >> Perhaps they know maintenance and a less cavalier attitude on when and > >> how to fly makes a difference. Military craft still go down. Two did > >> today. > >> > >> -- > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 " Jon " wrote: > > Look, Dr. Bledsoe continually states that a helicopters > only function is speed and that only makes a difference > in 1% of patients. That a helicopter crew's closest > cousin, in danger, is an Alaskan snow crab Fisherman. > Sounds like bashing to me. So researching recorded incidents then extrapolating incident percentages and reporting the findings is " bashing " . Wow. There sure is a lot of bashing going on out there. Not a single industry immune to bashing, is there? >> " Fly till you die " Yep, I read that. What I saw was Dr. Bledsoe's frustration. He was attempting to answer your emotional tirades with cold statistics. You didn't like it so you made some silly, childish comments. Dr. Bledsoe apparently got tired of dealing with childishness and just told you to go play in the street. That is what I read in the comment. >> " And then there is the safety issue. The increased number >> of medical helicopters (now approaching 800 in the US) >> has diluted out the pilot/nurse/paramedic crew. Coupled >> with the retirement of Vietnam-era pilots, this has caused >> the air ambulance industry to continually lower pilot >> qualifications. So, as we saw in Indiana a few weeks ago, >> bad decisions are being made despite NTSB and FAA >> warnings-all in the name of profit. In terms of care, we saw >> little if any litigation over helicopter EMS. In the last year >> I have been contacted by lawyers here in Texas suing two >> Texas private EMS providers over unrecognized esophageal >> intubations following RSI. I received a similar inquiry two >> weeks ago from another state regarding a helicopter quality >> of care issue. " Again, all established facts, so definitely bashing. I can see why you don't like it. >> " If man had been meant to fly, he would have been given >> wings! A helo doesn't even have those. Who wants to be >> under a windmill that's kept in a straight line only by another >> windmill? If you knew what I know about helo maintenance >> practices, you'd never get within 300 yards of one. " That was Mr. Gandy, and I suspect he was countering your over- emotionalism with a bit of emotional jesting himself. > I could continue but I think you can see at this point. Yes, I see that you have a thin skin and wear your emotions on your sleeve and can't participate in a logical debate because you are too emotionally involved. > Our industry is cleaning up after itself. The helicopter industry is cleaning itself up reluctantly and only following threat from the FAA. > One single opinion or one set of stats shouldn't speak for > everyone in this industry. Bledsoe likes to make dramatic > quotes that basically say you're a fool if you fly 99% of the > time and you're going to die. It's just not that simple. First of all, statistics are not opinion, and there are multiple research projects in progress and several already finished, all of which indicate the same thing. Secondly, Dr. Bledsoe has not said, at least nothing I have read, anything even close to " 99% of the time you are going to die. " -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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