Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Gene, I think you're right on target. I often ask students if they have young children or animals at home, (sometimes you can't tell the difference). They crawl on the floor, everything is hand to mouth and we come home with all kinds of crap on our boots. Ever been to a large swine farm? They have better disinfection procedures than most hospitals. Barry Meffert In a message dated 8/12/2004 1:32:03 AM Central Daylight Time, wegandy1938@... writes: I've been across borders where you had to step into a pan of bleach solution to disinfect your boots before you could cross the border. That's to keep down diseases in cattle and horses. Yet we never disinfect our shoes or boots, now do we? I'm just as guilty as the next one. Once again I ask the question: Is this something that we need to worry about? Consider, for example, the prevalence of MRSA in hospitals. Are we taking that out with us and contaminating our ambulances? GG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Well I knew it was one of them yeller sicknesses of one governmental conspiracy or another . Re: Pins on Badges In a message dated 8/12/2004 12:39:41 AM Central Daylight Time, wegandy1938@... writes: On the other hand, if we end up spreading anthrax or smallpox........... you're kidding right? Sorry but even in my line of work I'm more worried about flu and HIV in the back of the buss on a day to day basis. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Home Office) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Well I knew it was one of them yeller sicknesses of one governmental conspiracy or another . Re: Pins on Badges In a message dated 8/12/2004 12:39:41 AM Central Daylight Time, wegandy1938@... writes: On the other hand, if we end up spreading anthrax or smallpox........... you're kidding right? Sorry but even in my line of work I'm more worried about flu and HIV in the back of the buss on a day to day basis. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Home Office) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Well I knew it was one of them yeller sicknesses of one governmental conspiracy or another . Re: Pins on Badges In a message dated 8/12/2004 12:39:41 AM Central Daylight Time, wegandy1938@... writes: On the other hand, if we end up spreading anthrax or smallpox........... you're kidding right? Sorry but even in my line of work I'm more worried about flu and HIV in the back of the buss on a day to day basis. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Home Office) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 In a message dated 8/12/2004 12:39:40 AM Central Standard Time, wegandy1938@... writes: I don't know. I'm just asking the questions. If you read a bunch of stuff on infection control, it leads you to ask these questions. I don't pretend to know the answers, and I don't mean to suggest the answers. If there's no problem, there's no problem. On the other hand, if we end up spreading anthrax or smallpox........... gg Besides that, it's thought provoking and that's what this thread is for. Thanks Gene \ Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 In a message dated 8/12/2004 12:52:19 AM Central Standard Time, lnmolino@... writes: you're kidding right? Sorry but even in my line of work I'm more worried about flu and HIV in the back of the buss on a day to day basis. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Home Office) That is exactly what our enemies right now think you believe. They just caught a " potentially " dangerous foreigner in Houston with many blueprints and pictures of banking institutions, port authority locations, and large office buildings. He hopes you are worrying about the flu. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 In a message dated 8/12/2004 12:52:19 AM Central Standard Time, lnmolino@... writes: you're kidding right? Sorry but even in my line of work I'm more worried about flu and HIV in the back of the buss on a day to day basis. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Home Office) That is exactly what our enemies right now think you believe. They just caught a " potentially " dangerous foreigner in Houston with many blueprints and pictures of banking institutions, port authority locations, and large office buildings. He hopes you are worrying about the flu. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 In a message dated 8/12/2004 12:52:19 AM Central Standard Time, lnmolino@... writes: you're kidding right? Sorry but even in my line of work I'm more worried about flu and HIV in the back of the buss on a day to day basis. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Home Office) That is exactly what our enemies right now think you believe. They just caught a " potentially " dangerous foreigner in Houston with many blueprints and pictures of banking institutions, port authority locations, and large office buildings. He hopes you are worrying about the flu. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Phil makes my point very well. If you didn't read Phil's post the first time around, read it again. This IS a problem, and it COULD be a legal problem given the right fact situation. Example of what could happen: You spread MRSA to an AIDS or chemotherapy patient with a compromised immune system, and you get sued. Your whole policy and procedures will be examined with a microscope. Can you and your service withstand an attack like that? GG In a message dated 8/12/2004 5:09:25 PM Central Daylight Time, preyn2@... writes: --- wegandy1938@... wrote: > Consider, for example, the prevalence > of MRSA in hospitals. Are we taking > that out with us and contaminating our > ambulances? > > GG > In Austin, the answer is YES. From information gleaned from a recent AFD Safety Bulletin, " several providers " have been treated for MRSA infections in recent months. We have a nursing home in our first-due area which occasionally houses patients with MRSA. When we respond to these patients, I stop the crew at the patient's door, don gloves and gown as a minimum, and leave the crew outside the room. Everything I need is handed to me through the door. Why? Run a culture on the handles and/or bottom of your EMS bags some time. We think nothing of dealing with filthy infected patients as long as we take off our gloves before we get in the truck, but we use these same gloves to carry our equipment, which we carried into a scene and set down as close to the patient as possible so that we won't have to reach for the equipment. Now the bottom of the bag is contaminated. Then we wrap up our gear (contaminating it in the process), pick it up (again with the contamination...), and carry it outside (which means we're now technically CROSS contaminating...). Think about what you're doing ALL the time, not just when you think it's important. It's ALWAYS important. stay safe - phil phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Phil makes my point very well. If you didn't read Phil's post the first time around, read it again. This IS a problem, and it COULD be a legal problem given the right fact situation. Example of what could happen: You spread MRSA to an AIDS or chemotherapy patient with a compromised immune system, and you get sued. Your whole policy and procedures will be examined with a microscope. Can you and your service withstand an attack like that? GG In a message dated 8/12/2004 5:09:25 PM Central Daylight Time, preyn2@... writes: --- wegandy1938@... wrote: > Consider, for example, the prevalence > of MRSA in hospitals. Are we taking > that out with us and contaminating our > ambulances? > > GG > In Austin, the answer is YES. From information gleaned from a recent AFD Safety Bulletin, " several providers " have been treated for MRSA infections in recent months. We have a nursing home in our first-due area which occasionally houses patients with MRSA. When we respond to these patients, I stop the crew at the patient's door, don gloves and gown as a minimum, and leave the crew outside the room. Everything I need is handed to me through the door. Why? Run a culture on the handles and/or bottom of your EMS bags some time. We think nothing of dealing with filthy infected patients as long as we take off our gloves before we get in the truck, but we use these same gloves to carry our equipment, which we carried into a scene and set down as close to the patient as possible so that we won't have to reach for the equipment. Now the bottom of the bag is contaminated. Then we wrap up our gear (contaminating it in the process), pick it up (again with the contamination...), and carry it outside (which means we're now technically CROSS contaminating...). Think about what you're doing ALL the time, not just when you think it's important. It's ALWAYS important. stay safe - phil phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 We have a HOT ZONE between Vidor and Beaumont. We return to Beaumont we have to go through a complete wash down and change uniforms. They also send us immediately to our dentist. This is a joke, the City of Beaumont does not condone or permit us to return after we have left Vidor. LOL Please do not burn any crosses in my yard, I am just getting the grass to grow from the last Vidor joke I printed. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 We have a HOT ZONE between Vidor and Beaumont. We return to Beaumont we have to go through a complete wash down and change uniforms. They also send us immediately to our dentist. This is a joke, the City of Beaumont does not condone or permit us to return after we have left Vidor. LOL Please do not burn any crosses in my yard, I am just getting the grass to grow from the last Vidor joke I printed. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 We have a HOT ZONE between Vidor and Beaumont. We return to Beaumont we have to go through a complete wash down and change uniforms. They also send us immediately to our dentist. This is a joke, the City of Beaumont does not condone or permit us to return after we have left Vidor. LOL Please do not burn any crosses in my yard, I am just getting the grass to grow from the last Vidor joke I printed. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Hey, I don't make this stuff up. I promise. Remote? Yep. Impossible? Nope. In the beginning I said I was throwing these things out for y'all to chew on. It's pretty well chewed. My advice: Practice the best infection control that you can. Think it through, realize what you're doing, and go to work grinning every day. GG In a message dated 8/12/2004 9:36:15 PM Central Daylight Time, cafr@... writes: Well surly but how would you go about proving that you were the host, the source, of the MRSA? Is it really possible to prove that I wasn't sick until that medic came into my house without any previous documentation? Every medic would need to undergo several expensive and time consuming tests before they start work in order to prove they weren't the host of any possible bad bacteria that could possibly make me ill. Does it need to be taken to this extreme? I'm not here to say we as medics and us as humans shouldn't be accountable for our actions, but my God life is nothing but chances and choices and mistakes and decisions made by humans. Life is a gamble. The exhaust on the EMS truck may make the patient cough and the air conditioning on the EMS truck may make the patient get goose bumps and the heat in the back of the ambulance may make the patient sweat. This is much related to MRSA or AIDS but we can take this to the extreme and just imagine all the wrong doing medics do. CE hours are great because that is how we learn about these infectious control methods and how NOT to give it to the patient; however, science can't prove everything--it only disproves things we once thought. The thing about the button/pin can also be taken to the extreme. What if the medic doesn't want to wear white cotton socks but rather orange polyester or gree nylon or no socks at all. The way the boot laces are tied as well, etc. At the end of the day, we should just do the best we can with what we have where we are and know in our hearts that we did and that we helped our patient, who would have been a complete stranger to you if you never had the opportunity to meet, out today. That sounds kind of lame but think of it that way. The Late, the Great, the one and only, Warren Zevon's " Life'll Kill Ya " : You've got an invalid haircut It hurts when you smile You'd better get out of town Before your nickname expires It's the kingdom of the spiders It's the empire of the ants You need a permit to walk around downtown You need a license to dance Life'll kill ya That's what I said Life'll kill ya Then you'll be dead Life'll find ya Wherever you go Requiescat in pace That's all she wrote From the President of the United States To the lowliest rock and roll star The doctor is in and he'll see you now He don't care who you are Some get the awful, awful diseases Some get the knife, some get the gun Some get to die in their sleep At the age of a hundred and one Life'll kill ya That's what I said Life'll kill ya Then you'll be dead Life'll find ya Wherever you go Requiescat in pace That's all she wrote Maybe you'll go to heaven See Uncle Al and Uncle Lou Maybe you'll be reincarnated Maybe that stuff's true If you were good Maybe you'll come back as someone nice And if you were bad Maybe you'll have to pay the price Life'll kill ya That's what I said Life'll kill ya Then you'll be dead Life'll find ya Wherever you go Requiescat in pace That's all she wrote Thanks for your time. On Thursday, Aug 12, 2004, at 20:52 US/Central, wegandy1938@... composed: > Phil makes my point very well. If you didn't read Phil's post the > first time > around, read it again. This IS a problem, and it COULD be a legal > problem > given the right fact situation. > > Example of what could happen: You spread MRSA to an AIDS or > chemotherapy > patient with a compromised immune system, and you get sued. Your > whole policy > and procedures will be examined with a microscope. Can you and your > service > withstand an attack like that? > > GG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Hey, I don't make this stuff up. I promise. Remote? Yep. Impossible? Nope. In the beginning I said I was throwing these things out for y'all to chew on. It's pretty well chewed. My advice: Practice the best infection control that you can. Think it through, realize what you're doing, and go to work grinning every day. GG In a message dated 8/12/2004 9:36:15 PM Central Daylight Time, cafr@... writes: Well surly but how would you go about proving that you were the host, the source, of the MRSA? Is it really possible to prove that I wasn't sick until that medic came into my house without any previous documentation? Every medic would need to undergo several expensive and time consuming tests before they start work in order to prove they weren't the host of any possible bad bacteria that could possibly make me ill. Does it need to be taken to this extreme? I'm not here to say we as medics and us as humans shouldn't be accountable for our actions, but my God life is nothing but chances and choices and mistakes and decisions made by humans. Life is a gamble. The exhaust on the EMS truck may make the patient cough and the air conditioning on the EMS truck may make the patient get goose bumps and the heat in the back of the ambulance may make the patient sweat. This is much related to MRSA or AIDS but we can take this to the extreme and just imagine all the wrong doing medics do. CE hours are great because that is how we learn about these infectious control methods and how NOT to give it to the patient; however, science can't prove everything--it only disproves things we once thought. The thing about the button/pin can also be taken to the extreme. What if the medic doesn't want to wear white cotton socks but rather orange polyester or gree nylon or no socks at all. The way the boot laces are tied as well, etc. At the end of the day, we should just do the best we can with what we have where we are and know in our hearts that we did and that we helped our patient, who would have been a complete stranger to you if you never had the opportunity to meet, out today. That sounds kind of lame but think of it that way. The Late, the Great, the one and only, Warren Zevon's " Life'll Kill Ya " : You've got an invalid haircut It hurts when you smile You'd better get out of town Before your nickname expires It's the kingdom of the spiders It's the empire of the ants You need a permit to walk around downtown You need a license to dance Life'll kill ya That's what I said Life'll kill ya Then you'll be dead Life'll find ya Wherever you go Requiescat in pace That's all she wrote From the President of the United States To the lowliest rock and roll star The doctor is in and he'll see you now He don't care who you are Some get the awful, awful diseases Some get the knife, some get the gun Some get to die in their sleep At the age of a hundred and one Life'll kill ya That's what I said Life'll kill ya Then you'll be dead Life'll find ya Wherever you go Requiescat in pace That's all she wrote Maybe you'll go to heaven See Uncle Al and Uncle Lou Maybe you'll be reincarnated Maybe that stuff's true If you were good Maybe you'll come back as someone nice And if you were bad Maybe you'll have to pay the price Life'll kill ya That's what I said Life'll kill ya Then you'll be dead Life'll find ya Wherever you go Requiescat in pace That's all she wrote Thanks for your time. On Thursday, Aug 12, 2004, at 20:52 US/Central, wegandy1938@... composed: > Phil makes my point very well. If you didn't read Phil's post the > first time > around, read it again. This IS a problem, and it COULD be a legal > problem > given the right fact situation. > > Example of what could happen: You spread MRSA to an AIDS or > chemotherapy > patient with a compromised immune system, and you get sued. Your > whole policy > and procedures will be examined with a microscope. Can you and your > service > withstand an attack like that? > > GG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Hey, I don't make this stuff up. I promise. Remote? Yep. Impossible? Nope. In the beginning I said I was throwing these things out for y'all to chew on. It's pretty well chewed. My advice: Practice the best infection control that you can. Think it through, realize what you're doing, and go to work grinning every day. GG In a message dated 8/12/2004 9:36:15 PM Central Daylight Time, cafr@... writes: Well surly but how would you go about proving that you were the host, the source, of the MRSA? Is it really possible to prove that I wasn't sick until that medic came into my house without any previous documentation? Every medic would need to undergo several expensive and time consuming tests before they start work in order to prove they weren't the host of any possible bad bacteria that could possibly make me ill. Does it need to be taken to this extreme? I'm not here to say we as medics and us as humans shouldn't be accountable for our actions, but my God life is nothing but chances and choices and mistakes and decisions made by humans. Life is a gamble. The exhaust on the EMS truck may make the patient cough and the air conditioning on the EMS truck may make the patient get goose bumps and the heat in the back of the ambulance may make the patient sweat. This is much related to MRSA or AIDS but we can take this to the extreme and just imagine all the wrong doing medics do. CE hours are great because that is how we learn about these infectious control methods and how NOT to give it to the patient; however, science can't prove everything--it only disproves things we once thought. The thing about the button/pin can also be taken to the extreme. What if the medic doesn't want to wear white cotton socks but rather orange polyester or gree nylon or no socks at all. The way the boot laces are tied as well, etc. At the end of the day, we should just do the best we can with what we have where we are and know in our hearts that we did and that we helped our patient, who would have been a complete stranger to you if you never had the opportunity to meet, out today. That sounds kind of lame but think of it that way. The Late, the Great, the one and only, Warren Zevon's " Life'll Kill Ya " : You've got an invalid haircut It hurts when you smile You'd better get out of town Before your nickname expires It's the kingdom of the spiders It's the empire of the ants You need a permit to walk around downtown You need a license to dance Life'll kill ya That's what I said Life'll kill ya Then you'll be dead Life'll find ya Wherever you go Requiescat in pace That's all she wrote From the President of the United States To the lowliest rock and roll star The doctor is in and he'll see you now He don't care who you are Some get the awful, awful diseases Some get the knife, some get the gun Some get to die in their sleep At the age of a hundred and one Life'll kill ya That's what I said Life'll kill ya Then you'll be dead Life'll find ya Wherever you go Requiescat in pace That's all she wrote Maybe you'll go to heaven See Uncle Al and Uncle Lou Maybe you'll be reincarnated Maybe that stuff's true If you were good Maybe you'll come back as someone nice And if you were bad Maybe you'll have to pay the price Life'll kill ya That's what I said Life'll kill ya Then you'll be dead Life'll find ya Wherever you go Requiescat in pace That's all she wrote Thanks for your time. On Thursday, Aug 12, 2004, at 20:52 US/Central, wegandy1938@... composed: > Phil makes my point very well. If you didn't read Phil's post the > first time > around, read it again. This IS a problem, and it COULD be a legal > problem > given the right fact situation. > > Example of what could happen: You spread MRSA to an AIDS or > chemotherapy > patient with a compromised immune system, and you get sued. Your > whole policy > and procedures will be examined with a microscope. Can you and your > service > withstand an attack like that? > > GG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Well surly but how would you go about proving that you were the host, the source, of the MRSA? Is it really possible to prove that I wasn't sick until that medic came into my house without any previous documentation? Every medic would need to undergo several expensive and time consuming tests before they start work in order to prove they weren't the host of any possible bad bacteria that could possibly make me ill. Does it need to be taken to this extreme? I'm not here to say we as medics and us as humans shouldn't be accountable for our actions, but my God life is nothing but chances and choices and mistakes and decisions made by humans. Life is a gamble. The exhaust on the EMS truck may make the patient cough and the air conditioning on the EMS truck may make the patient get goose bumps and the heat in the back of the ambulance may make the patient sweat. This is much related to MRSA or AIDS but we can take this to the extreme and just imagine all the wrong doing medics do. CE hours are great because that is how we learn about these infectious control methods and how NOT to give it to the patient; however, science can't prove everything--it only disproves things we once thought. The thing about the button/pin can also be taken to the extreme. What if the medic doesn't want to wear white cotton socks but rather orange polyester or gree nylon or no socks at all. The way the boot laces are tied as well, etc. At the end of the day, we should just do the best we can with what we have where we are and know in our hearts that we did and that we helped our patient, who would have been a complete stranger to you if you never had the opportunity to meet, out today. That sounds kind of lame but think of it that way. The Late, the Great, the one and only, Warren Zevon's " Life'll Kill Ya " : You've got an invalid haircut It hurts when you smile You'd better get out of town Before your nickname expires It's the kingdom of the spiders It's the empire of the ants You need a permit to walk around downtown You need a license to dance Life'll kill ya That's what I said Life'll kill ya Then you'll be dead Life'll find ya Wherever you go Requiescat in pace That's all she wrote From the President of the United States To the lowliest rock and roll star The doctor is in and he'll see you now He don't care who you are Some get the awful, awful diseases Some get the knife, some get the gun Some get to die in their sleep At the age of a hundred and one Life'll kill ya That's what I said Life'll kill ya Then you'll be dead Life'll find ya Wherever you go Requiescat in pace That's all she wrote Maybe you'll go to heaven See Uncle Al and Uncle Lou Maybe you'll be reincarnated Maybe that stuff's true If you were good Maybe you'll come back as someone nice And if you were bad Maybe you'll have to pay the price Life'll kill ya That's what I said Life'll kill ya Then you'll be dead Life'll find ya Wherever you go Requiescat in pace That's all she wrote Thanks for your time. On Thursday, Aug 12, 2004, at 20:52 US/Central, wegandy1938@... composed: > Phil makes my point very well. If you didn't read Phil's post the > first time > around, read it again. This IS a problem, and it COULD be a legal > problem > given the right fact situation. > > Example of what could happen: You spread MRSA to an AIDS or > chemotherapy > patient with a compromised immune system, and you get sued. Your > whole policy > and procedures will be examined with a microscope. Can you and your > service > withstand an attack like that? > > GG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Well surly but how would you go about proving that you were the host, the source, of the MRSA? Is it really possible to prove that I wasn't sick until that medic came into my house without any previous documentation? Every medic would need to undergo several expensive and time consuming tests before they start work in order to prove they weren't the host of any possible bad bacteria that could possibly make me ill. Does it need to be taken to this extreme? I'm not here to say we as medics and us as humans shouldn't be accountable for our actions, but my God life is nothing but chances and choices and mistakes and decisions made by humans. Life is a gamble. The exhaust on the EMS truck may make the patient cough and the air conditioning on the EMS truck may make the patient get goose bumps and the heat in the back of the ambulance may make the patient sweat. This is much related to MRSA or AIDS but we can take this to the extreme and just imagine all the wrong doing medics do. CE hours are great because that is how we learn about these infectious control methods and how NOT to give it to the patient; however, science can't prove everything--it only disproves things we once thought. The thing about the button/pin can also be taken to the extreme. What if the medic doesn't want to wear white cotton socks but rather orange polyester or gree nylon or no socks at all. The way the boot laces are tied as well, etc. At the end of the day, we should just do the best we can with what we have where we are and know in our hearts that we did and that we helped our patient, who would have been a complete stranger to you if you never had the opportunity to meet, out today. That sounds kind of lame but think of it that way. The Late, the Great, the one and only, Warren Zevon's " Life'll Kill Ya " : You've got an invalid haircut It hurts when you smile You'd better get out of town Before your nickname expires It's the kingdom of the spiders It's the empire of the ants You need a permit to walk around downtown You need a license to dance Life'll kill ya That's what I said Life'll kill ya Then you'll be dead Life'll find ya Wherever you go Requiescat in pace That's all she wrote From the President of the United States To the lowliest rock and roll star The doctor is in and he'll see you now He don't care who you are Some get the awful, awful diseases Some get the knife, some get the gun Some get to die in their sleep At the age of a hundred and one Life'll kill ya That's what I said Life'll kill ya Then you'll be dead Life'll find ya Wherever you go Requiescat in pace That's all she wrote Maybe you'll go to heaven See Uncle Al and Uncle Lou Maybe you'll be reincarnated Maybe that stuff's true If you were good Maybe you'll come back as someone nice And if you were bad Maybe you'll have to pay the price Life'll kill ya That's what I said Life'll kill ya Then you'll be dead Life'll find ya Wherever you go Requiescat in pace That's all she wrote Thanks for your time. On Thursday, Aug 12, 2004, at 20:52 US/Central, wegandy1938@... composed: > Phil makes my point very well. If you didn't read Phil's post the > first time > around, read it again. This IS a problem, and it COULD be a legal > problem > given the right fact situation. > > Example of what could happen: You spread MRSA to an AIDS or > chemotherapy > patient with a compromised immune system, and you get sued. Your > whole policy > and procedures will be examined with a microscope. Can you and your > service > withstand an attack like that? > > GG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Well surly but how would you go about proving that you were the host, the source, of the MRSA? Is it really possible to prove that I wasn't sick until that medic came into my house without any previous documentation? Every medic would need to undergo several expensive and time consuming tests before they start work in order to prove they weren't the host of any possible bad bacteria that could possibly make me ill. Does it need to be taken to this extreme? I'm not here to say we as medics and us as humans shouldn't be accountable for our actions, but my God life is nothing but chances and choices and mistakes and decisions made by humans. Life is a gamble. The exhaust on the EMS truck may make the patient cough and the air conditioning on the EMS truck may make the patient get goose bumps and the heat in the back of the ambulance may make the patient sweat. This is much related to MRSA or AIDS but we can take this to the extreme and just imagine all the wrong doing medics do. CE hours are great because that is how we learn about these infectious control methods and how NOT to give it to the patient; however, science can't prove everything--it only disproves things we once thought. The thing about the button/pin can also be taken to the extreme. What if the medic doesn't want to wear white cotton socks but rather orange polyester or gree nylon or no socks at all. The way the boot laces are tied as well, etc. At the end of the day, we should just do the best we can with what we have where we are and know in our hearts that we did and that we helped our patient, who would have been a complete stranger to you if you never had the opportunity to meet, out today. That sounds kind of lame but think of it that way. The Late, the Great, the one and only, Warren Zevon's " Life'll Kill Ya " : You've got an invalid haircut It hurts when you smile You'd better get out of town Before your nickname expires It's the kingdom of the spiders It's the empire of the ants You need a permit to walk around downtown You need a license to dance Life'll kill ya That's what I said Life'll kill ya Then you'll be dead Life'll find ya Wherever you go Requiescat in pace That's all she wrote From the President of the United States To the lowliest rock and roll star The doctor is in and he'll see you now He don't care who you are Some get the awful, awful diseases Some get the knife, some get the gun Some get to die in their sleep At the age of a hundred and one Life'll kill ya That's what I said Life'll kill ya Then you'll be dead Life'll find ya Wherever you go Requiescat in pace That's all she wrote Maybe you'll go to heaven See Uncle Al and Uncle Lou Maybe you'll be reincarnated Maybe that stuff's true If you were good Maybe you'll come back as someone nice And if you were bad Maybe you'll have to pay the price Life'll kill ya That's what I said Life'll kill ya Then you'll be dead Life'll find ya Wherever you go Requiescat in pace That's all she wrote Thanks for your time. On Thursday, Aug 12, 2004, at 20:52 US/Central, wegandy1938@... composed: > Phil makes my point very well. If you didn't read Phil's post the > first time > around, read it again. This IS a problem, and it COULD be a legal > problem > given the right fact situation. > > Example of what could happen: You spread MRSA to an AIDS or > chemotherapy > patient with a compromised immune system, and you get sued. Your > whole policy > and procedures will be examined with a microscope. Can you and your > service > withstand an attack like that? > > GG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2004 Report Share Posted August 15, 2004 Our infection control representative has done this on a couple of occasions. We swabbed stretcher mattresses, cell phone handles, even station items such as bathroom door handles, bunk room mattresses. You would be surprised what will grow in a culture/petrie dish afterwords. The last time we did it we had a very aggressive and fast growing type of fungus from the stretcher I believe that wasn't identified! Another step is to have your personnel wash their hands as they do, then swab them. Pretty impressive to say the least! Steve Lemming This e-mail is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of The City of Azle or its policies. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please phone Steve Lemming (817)444-7108. Please also destroy and delete the message from your computer. For more information on The City of Azle, visit our web site at: <http://azle.govoffice.com/> Re: Pins on Badges Phil makes my point very well. If you didn't read Phil's post the first time around, read it again. This IS a problem, and it COULD be a legal problem given the right fact situation. Example of what could happen: You spread MRSA to an AIDS or chemotherapy patient with a compromised immune system, and you get sued. Your whole policy and procedures will be examined with a microscope. Can you and your service withstand an attack like that? GG In a message dated 8/12/2004 5:09:25 PM Central Daylight Time, preyn2@... writes: --- wegandy1938@... wrote: > Consider, for example, the prevalence > of MRSA in hospitals. Are we taking > that out with us and contaminating our > ambulances? > > GG > In Austin, the answer is YES. From information gleaned from a recent AFD Safety Bulletin, " several providers " have been treated for MRSA infections in recent months. We have a nursing home in our first-due area which occasionally houses patients with MRSA. When we respond to these patients, I stop the crew at the patient's door, don gloves and gown as a minimum, and leave the crew outside the room. Everything I need is handed to me through the door. Why? Run a culture on the handles and/or bottom of your EMS bags some time. We think nothing of dealing with filthy infected patients as long as we take off our gloves before we get in the truck, but we use these same gloves to carry our equipment, which we carried into a scene and set down as close to the patient as possible so that we won't have to reach for the equipment. Now the bottom of the bag is contaminated. Then we wrap up our gear (contaminating it in the process), pick it up (again with the contamination...), and carry it outside (which means we're now technically CROSS contaminating...). Think about what you're doing ALL the time, not just when you think it's important. It's ALWAYS important. stay safe - phil phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2004 Report Share Posted August 15, 2004 Our infection control representative has done this on a couple of occasions. We swabbed stretcher mattresses, cell phone handles, even station items such as bathroom door handles, bunk room mattresses. You would be surprised what will grow in a culture/petrie dish afterwords. The last time we did it we had a very aggressive and fast growing type of fungus from the stretcher I believe that wasn't identified! Another step is to have your personnel wash their hands as they do, then swab them. Pretty impressive to say the least! Steve Lemming This e-mail is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of The City of Azle or its policies. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please phone Steve Lemming (817)444-7108. Please also destroy and delete the message from your computer. For more information on The City of Azle, visit our web site at: <http://azle.govoffice.com/> Re: Pins on Badges Phil makes my point very well. If you didn't read Phil's post the first time around, read it again. This IS a problem, and it COULD be a legal problem given the right fact situation. Example of what could happen: You spread MRSA to an AIDS or chemotherapy patient with a compromised immune system, and you get sued. Your whole policy and procedures will be examined with a microscope. Can you and your service withstand an attack like that? GG In a message dated 8/12/2004 5:09:25 PM Central Daylight Time, preyn2@... writes: --- wegandy1938@... wrote: > Consider, for example, the prevalence > of MRSA in hospitals. Are we taking > that out with us and contaminating our > ambulances? > > GG > In Austin, the answer is YES. From information gleaned from a recent AFD Safety Bulletin, " several providers " have been treated for MRSA infections in recent months. We have a nursing home in our first-due area which occasionally houses patients with MRSA. When we respond to these patients, I stop the crew at the patient's door, don gloves and gown as a minimum, and leave the crew outside the room. Everything I need is handed to me through the door. Why? Run a culture on the handles and/or bottom of your EMS bags some time. We think nothing of dealing with filthy infected patients as long as we take off our gloves before we get in the truck, but we use these same gloves to carry our equipment, which we carried into a scene and set down as close to the patient as possible so that we won't have to reach for the equipment. Now the bottom of the bag is contaminated. Then we wrap up our gear (contaminating it in the process), pick it up (again with the contamination...), and carry it outside (which means we're now technically CROSS contaminating...). Think about what you're doing ALL the time, not just when you think it's important. It's ALWAYS important. stay safe - phil phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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