Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 Not if you incorrectly INCUBATED him.... ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 I am in no way implying I (or anyone else should violate his constitutional rights)............. That is lawsuit city. My post says if he is in the middle of a wreck scene, a shooting, etc- he can take his pictures, wish he was there, etc with everyone else- where the other gawkers are. That is what boundries are for- police tape, police officers, etc- and in some cases EMS will have to determine the boundry. When someone crosses that boundry (media or not) they are open to an arrest if they don't leave just like anyone else. When it becomes interference is when someone can't do their jobs. IMPEDE v 1: be a hindrance or obstacle to; Staute says " Impedes, or otherwise inteferes with... " INTERFERENCE WITH PUBLIC DUTIES. (a) A person commits an offense if the person with criminal negligence interrupts, disrupts, impedes, or otherwise interferes with.... If him being on the scene is a hinderence (IE you having to watch out for his safety too, then I would say an arrest is justifiable- IF HE DONT move where everyone else is. Media or not, if he is told not to be in the middle of an accident scene, shooting, etc- he is OPEN SEASON for arrest. jh Re: Re: EMT Impersonator Hey Mike perhaps he's got a camera. Nothing like violating the mans rights on a constitutional basis. Last time I checked a picture of a public accident was news and if your not interfering this thing called the First Amendment applies and you do NOT need a press card. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Home Office) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 I am in no way implying I (or anyone else should violate his constitutional rights)............. That is lawsuit city. My post says if he is in the middle of a wreck scene, a shooting, etc- he can take his pictures, wish he was there, etc with everyone else- where the other gawkers are. That is what boundries are for- police tape, police officers, etc- and in some cases EMS will have to determine the boundry. When someone crosses that boundry (media or not) they are open to an arrest if they don't leave just like anyone else. When it becomes interference is when someone can't do their jobs. IMPEDE v 1: be a hindrance or obstacle to; Staute says " Impedes, or otherwise inteferes with... " INTERFERENCE WITH PUBLIC DUTIES. (a) A person commits an offense if the person with criminal negligence interrupts, disrupts, impedes, or otherwise interferes with.... If him being on the scene is a hinderence (IE you having to watch out for his safety too, then I would say an arrest is justifiable- IF HE DONT move where everyone else is. Media or not, if he is told not to be in the middle of an accident scene, shooting, etc- he is OPEN SEASON for arrest. jh Re: Re: EMT Impersonator Hey Mike perhaps he's got a camera. Nothing like violating the mans rights on a constitutional basis. Last time I checked a picture of a public accident was news and if your not interfering this thing called the First Amendment applies and you do NOT need a press card. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Home Office) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 Oh lord no, then he'd hatch into more little gawkers. This world has plenty of them already. Bobby Re: Re: EMT Impersonator > I know!!!! > > > INCUBATE HIM!!!! > > > Cristi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 For some reason, that sounds like it might hurt...... Re: Re: EMT Impersonator > Not if you incorrectly INCUBATED him.... > > > ;-) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 For some reason, that sounds like it might hurt...... Re: Re: EMT Impersonator > Not if you incorrectly INCUBATED him.... > > > ;-) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 For some reason, that sounds like it might hurt...... Re: Re: EMT Impersonator > Not if you incorrectly INCUBATED him.... > > > ;-) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 --- Rob wrote: > Mike is (as usual) correct when he observes that LE won't take an > interest possibly, " ...because they've had significantly more > interactions > with him and understand that he's " just a wannabe " and not a threat. " > Hassle this guy enough and it may be all it takes to turn him from a > wannabe into an enemy. Not a good idea. Well thanks, Rob! FWIW, it's probably got a lot to do with my political leanings and background... you don't meet too many Liberterian police officers. Then again, I consider it a source of pride to both enforce the laws *AND* uphold the constitution of this great State and of our nation. Too many cops get off on the enforce the laws part of the job and forget about the rest of it... although I can hear the die-hard liberals and conservatives groaning at me already! With regards to all sorts of problem people - avoiding them is usually a good way to get rid of them. They find someone who reacts more to their liking at their presence, actions, etc... and attach to them instead. Mike __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 --- Rob wrote: > Mike is (as usual) correct when he observes that LE won't take an > interest possibly, " ...because they've had significantly more > interactions > with him and understand that he's " just a wannabe " and not a threat. " > Hassle this guy enough and it may be all it takes to turn him from a > wannabe into an enemy. Not a good idea. Well thanks, Rob! FWIW, it's probably got a lot to do with my political leanings and background... you don't meet too many Liberterian police officers. Then again, I consider it a source of pride to both enforce the laws *AND* uphold the constitution of this great State and of our nation. Too many cops get off on the enforce the laws part of the job and forget about the rest of it... although I can hear the die-hard liberals and conservatives groaning at me already! With regards to all sorts of problem people - avoiding them is usually a good way to get rid of them. They find someone who reacts more to their liking at their presence, actions, etc... and attach to them instead. Mike __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 RubberNECKER " , " wrote: > Another thought... people who hang at fire scenes like this sometimes > (and this is an extreme case) are arsonists.... what's the EMS > equivalent of that??? > > B. , AAS, LP > Baylor Regional Medical Center at Grapevine > EMS Educator > Baylor EMS Medical Control > 1601 Lancaster Drive Suite #10 > Grapevine, Tx 76051-3300 > Office > Direct Line > Fax > Cell > > Pager > > Re: EMT Impersonator > > > ...I do know that he has gone into some of the local bars here trying > > to pick up women. > > Damn! There's a law against that now? Who woulda thunk it? > > This guy sounds like a nutcase wannabe who may be a threat to your ego. > However, I have yet to hear how he realistically presents a legal or > operational threat. All this speculative innuendo and conjecture about > his > intentions isn't helping your case. > > Mike is (as usual) correct when he observes that LE won't take an > interest possibly, " ...because they've had significantly more > interactions > with him and understand that he's " just a wannabe " and not a threat. " > Hassle this guy enough and it may be all it takes to turn him from a > wannabe > into an enemy. Not a good idea. > > What exactly is a TSTC EMS uniform, anyhow? > > Rob > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 RubberNECKER " , " wrote: > Another thought... people who hang at fire scenes like this sometimes > (and this is an extreme case) are arsonists.... what's the EMS > equivalent of that??? > > B. , AAS, LP > Baylor Regional Medical Center at Grapevine > EMS Educator > Baylor EMS Medical Control > 1601 Lancaster Drive Suite #10 > Grapevine, Tx 76051-3300 > Office > Direct Line > Fax > Cell > > Pager > > Re: EMT Impersonator > > > ...I do know that he has gone into some of the local bars here trying > > to pick up women. > > Damn! There's a law against that now? Who woulda thunk it? > > This guy sounds like a nutcase wannabe who may be a threat to your ego. > However, I have yet to hear how he realistically presents a legal or > operational threat. All this speculative innuendo and conjecture about > his > intentions isn't helping your case. > > Mike is (as usual) correct when he observes that LE won't take an > interest possibly, " ...because they've had significantly more > interactions > with him and understand that he's " just a wannabe " and not a threat. " > Hassle this guy enough and it may be all it takes to turn him from a > wannabe > into an enemy. Not a good idea. > > What exactly is a TSTC EMS uniform, anyhow? > > Rob > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 RubberNECKER " , " wrote: > Another thought... people who hang at fire scenes like this sometimes > (and this is an extreme case) are arsonists.... what's the EMS > equivalent of that??? > > B. , AAS, LP > Baylor Regional Medical Center at Grapevine > EMS Educator > Baylor EMS Medical Control > 1601 Lancaster Drive Suite #10 > Grapevine, Tx 76051-3300 > Office > Direct Line > Fax > Cell > > Pager > > Re: EMT Impersonator > > > ...I do know that he has gone into some of the local bars here trying > > to pick up women. > > Damn! There's a law against that now? Who woulda thunk it? > > This guy sounds like a nutcase wannabe who may be a threat to your ego. > However, I have yet to hear how he realistically presents a legal or > operational threat. All this speculative innuendo and conjecture about > his > intentions isn't helping your case. > > Mike is (as usual) correct when he observes that LE won't take an > interest possibly, " ...because they've had significantly more > interactions > with him and understand that he's " just a wannabe " and not a threat. " > Hassle this guy enough and it may be all it takes to turn him from a > wannabe > into an enemy. Not a good idea. > > What exactly is a TSTC EMS uniform, anyhow? > > Rob > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 Nope. Rubbernecker's don't CAUSE the incident. They just slow down, gawk, and make it worse. Very different idiot. Mike > > > Another thought... people who hang at fire scenes like this sometimes > > (and this is an extreme case) are arsonists.... what's the EMS > > equivalent of that??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 LMAO, so true. Would this be somewhere near the same thought pattern of a murderer often being in the crowd at the actual scene of the homicide? Mike (the other Mike) Re: EMT Impersonator Nope. Rubbernecker's don't CAUSE the incident. They just slow down, gawk, and make it worse. Very different idiot. Mike > > > Another thought... people who hang at fire scenes like this sometimes > > (and this is an extreme case) are arsonists.... what's the EMS > > equivalent of that??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 In a message dated 7/14/04 1:36:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bbledsoe@... writes: Have 5 EMS providers surround him, take him down, tie him to a back board, and make him sit through a 5 hour CISM session or 4 hours of biotrrorism training. That will make him want to be a farmer for sure. BEB No, , make him watch 5 hours of HIPAA video. That will do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 In a message dated 7/14/04 1:36:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bbledsoe@... writes: Have 5 EMS providers surround him, take him down, tie him to a back board, and make him sit through a 5 hour CISM session or 4 hours of biotrrorism training. That will make him want to be a farmer for sure. BEB No, , make him watch 5 hours of HIPAA video. That will do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 We had one working for us. He was a certified EMT working for a transfer service. He drove a blue Crown Vic with a plethora of radios and scanners. He even had dash lights and strobes. This all came to an end when he was cited for impersonating a police officer because he was responding Code 2 (emergency lights only) in his private vehicle. He was responding to the hospital to pick up a nonemergency transfer to a nursing home. He left our service shortly after. _____ From: coolclay84 Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 10:10 AM To: Subject: EMT Impersonator I've got a question. Where I live there is a young man who constantly runs around in a TSTC EMS uniform. He was once a student, but has failed the basic course numerous times. He walks around town with the shirt and ems pants in addition to that, he wears about 14 pairs of sisccors, and a glove pouch. Recently there was a funeral in which several (30-40) police, fire, and ems personel attended. This young man, made his way onto the grounds, and was walking around amongst everyone else. (Almost all of the emergency personel were fully uniformed.) At one point he attempted to make conversation with the widow, also it looked as though he was trying to sneak a peak at the body. I can't even believe someone would do such a thing. Then upon departure for the funeral procession, he was standing on the corner in a " Secret Service " type pose, with what appeared to be a cell phone ear piece in his ear (with no cell phone), which was running down his shirt. Obviously trying to impersonate someone (Possibly the DPS officer blocking traffic near where he was). There have been numerous times where he has showed up on scenes, and is always misleading people to what he is or does. There have also have been times that he was arrested for trying to arrest someone or detain some people, I'm not really sure which one. This has been going on for quite sometime and when I was at the funeral I thought that this was just totaly uncalled for. Is there anything that can be done? How much will arresting him really help? This gentleman is not certified, and I pray to god he never does get certified. So I'm assuming that this is out of TDH's reach. Anyone have any suggestions? And have any of you dealt with this kind of thing before? What happened in thoose instances? Thanks for your help. -, EMT-I PS: He is NOT associated with any type of EMS, Fire, or Police orginaization. He holds no certification of any type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 We had one working for us. He was a certified EMT working for a transfer service. He drove a blue Crown Vic with a plethora of radios and scanners. He even had dash lights and strobes. This all came to an end when he was cited for impersonating a police officer because he was responding Code 2 (emergency lights only) in his private vehicle. He was responding to the hospital to pick up a nonemergency transfer to a nursing home. He left our service shortly after. _____ From: coolclay84 Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 10:10 AM To: Subject: EMT Impersonator I've got a question. Where I live there is a young man who constantly runs around in a TSTC EMS uniform. He was once a student, but has failed the basic course numerous times. He walks around town with the shirt and ems pants in addition to that, he wears about 14 pairs of sisccors, and a glove pouch. Recently there was a funeral in which several (30-40) police, fire, and ems personel attended. This young man, made his way onto the grounds, and was walking around amongst everyone else. (Almost all of the emergency personel were fully uniformed.) At one point he attempted to make conversation with the widow, also it looked as though he was trying to sneak a peak at the body. I can't even believe someone would do such a thing. Then upon departure for the funeral procession, he was standing on the corner in a " Secret Service " type pose, with what appeared to be a cell phone ear piece in his ear (with no cell phone), which was running down his shirt. Obviously trying to impersonate someone (Possibly the DPS officer blocking traffic near where he was). There have been numerous times where he has showed up on scenes, and is always misleading people to what he is or does. There have also have been times that he was arrested for trying to arrest someone or detain some people, I'm not really sure which one. This has been going on for quite sometime and when I was at the funeral I thought that this was just totaly uncalled for. Is there anything that can be done? How much will arresting him really help? This gentleman is not certified, and I pray to god he never does get certified. So I'm assuming that this is out of TDH's reach. Anyone have any suggestions? And have any of you dealt with this kind of thing before? What happened in thoose instances? Thanks for your help. -, EMT-I PS: He is NOT associated with any type of EMS, Fire, or Police orginaization. He holds no certification of any type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 -- " Bledsoe " wrote: " ...make him sit through a 5 hour CISM session or 4 hours of biotrrorism training. That will make him want to be a farmer for sure. " I recall something about cruel and unusual punishment... :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 -- " Bledsoe " wrote: " ...make him sit through a 5 hour CISM session or 4 hours of biotrrorism training. That will make him want to be a farmer for sure. " I recall something about cruel and unusual punishment... :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 He may even be psychotic and dangerous leave him alone he will step over the legal bounds soon enough all by him self. When brought to court he will be insane and not guilty by reason of. Re: EMT Impersonator > > Just my opinion, and it's probably worth less than a cup of coffee, here goes. While I am not sure anything can be done, officially, I have a modest proposal... > > Assess whether or not he causes problems on a scene. If he is actually useful, let him help. You get an extra pair of hands for a few minutes, he feels good about himself, and everyone has a good day. > Some people just are wired different, and he sounds like someone who needs some type of life. Continue monitoring for changes in his behavior. > > HOWEVER... If he exceeds bounds or starts jumping calls.... > > Get some pictures of this wannabe and distribute these to the DPS, county sheriffs, local PDs who work the area he frequents (he sounds territorial), and if he drives, maybe some pics of his car, license number, desciption,etc. > > On a one-on-one basis, let the LEOs know the truth about this person, and suggest (if it is the case) that this person is a hazard at a scene. > > While scenes can be busy, maybe a close and personal encounter with a LEO will shut this guy down. If not, a few tickets / arrests for Obstructing a scene might cool his jets. > > Larry RN, LP, yada, yada ... > Houston > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 Rsi protocols for incubation. Re: Re: EMT Impersonator I know!!!! INCUBATE HIM!!!! Cristi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 Reminds me of a couple of situations we had here. There was one young man who had inquired several times about what he needed to do to become a volunteer with EMS. We explained the requirements, gave him applications several times, etc. He never returned an application. He once tried to get us to give him a shirt and pager so he could " help us out " . We didn't do it. Then he started showing up at calls. The first time it happened the call was at a private residence. The circumstances were such, and his conduct was such, that we thought he was an employee of the patient who lived in another house on the property. The patient had assumed that he was with us. Then, over a period of several months, one of our volunteers encountered him at several calls, all at private homes. She put two and two together and and we realized we had a problem. We sent him a letter by certified mail, and put a copy of the letter in the ambulance. The next time we encountered him at a scene, I handed him the copy. The letter didn't say anything about where he could or could not go or what he could or could not do as a private citizen. We simply pointed out that since he had not followed through on the application process he was not a member of our department and therefore had no authority or right to present himself as such. We also pointed out that he was therefore not covered under our insurance and we were not responsible should he be injured at a scene, etc., etc. He quit showing up. The other was a young man who was mildly retarded. He occasionally showed up at EMS scenes but his real love was the volunteer fire department. He rode a bicycle, wore an orange safety vest, and carried a scanner. (Get a good visual of that emergency response!) The VFD let him act in the capacity of an auxiliary member. He would hang out at the station with the guys, worked his tail off cleaning and washing trucks, went to some fire scenes with the auxiliary to help take care of the firefighters, and so forth. When they made a call he would go to the fire station (right across the street from us) and " keep an eye on the station " while they were gone, and he always came over to say hello. He was as happy as a lark and the firefighters were really nice to him--made him feel special. He would occasionally show up on EMS scenes - always in public (not private) places - and would help us carry equipment and such. When things would seem to be getting out of hand (for example, him coming to scenes where his safety might be at risk) we would talk to a local police officer who had known his family for years. The officer would talk to his guardian (grandmother) and the family would rein him in a little. A couple of years ago, the grandmother died and the young man had to move to another town to live with other relatives. We miss him. Maxine Pate hire-Pattison EMS --- coolclay84 > wrote: > > I've got a question. Where I live there is a young > man who constantly > runs around in a TSTC EMS uniform. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 Reminds me of a couple of situations we had here. There was one young man who had inquired several times about what he needed to do to become a volunteer with EMS. We explained the requirements, gave him applications several times, etc. He never returned an application. He once tried to get us to give him a shirt and pager so he could " help us out " . We didn't do it. Then he started showing up at calls. The first time it happened the call was at a private residence. The circumstances were such, and his conduct was such, that we thought he was an employee of the patient who lived in another house on the property. The patient had assumed that he was with us. Then, over a period of several months, one of our volunteers encountered him at several calls, all at private homes. She put two and two together and and we realized we had a problem. We sent him a letter by certified mail, and put a copy of the letter in the ambulance. The next time we encountered him at a scene, I handed him the copy. The letter didn't say anything about where he could or could not go or what he could or could not do as a private citizen. We simply pointed out that since he had not followed through on the application process he was not a member of our department and therefore had no authority or right to present himself as such. We also pointed out that he was therefore not covered under our insurance and we were not responsible should he be injured at a scene, etc., etc. He quit showing up. The other was a young man who was mildly retarded. He occasionally showed up at EMS scenes but his real love was the volunteer fire department. He rode a bicycle, wore an orange safety vest, and carried a scanner. (Get a good visual of that emergency response!) The VFD let him act in the capacity of an auxiliary member. He would hang out at the station with the guys, worked his tail off cleaning and washing trucks, went to some fire scenes with the auxiliary to help take care of the firefighters, and so forth. When they made a call he would go to the fire station (right across the street from us) and " keep an eye on the station " while they were gone, and he always came over to say hello. He was as happy as a lark and the firefighters were really nice to him--made him feel special. He would occasionally show up on EMS scenes - always in public (not private) places - and would help us carry equipment and such. When things would seem to be getting out of hand (for example, him coming to scenes where his safety might be at risk) we would talk to a local police officer who had known his family for years. The officer would talk to his guardian (grandmother) and the family would rein him in a little. A couple of years ago, the grandmother died and the young man had to move to another town to live with other relatives. We miss him. Maxine Pate hire-Pattison EMS --- coolclay84 > wrote: > > I've got a question. Where I live there is a young > man who constantly > runs around in a TSTC EMS uniform. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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