Guest guest Posted January 30, 2001 Report Share Posted January 30, 2001 > Hi Ben > > There is a Xtian Minister on the freedomofmind group who has an > anti-cults page. Apparently the Big Names in Xtianity, Catholic, > Episcopalian, etc., basically have drawn up a kind of " Industry > Standard " of what is real " Biblical " Xtianity that you must stick > to for them to accept as being a legitimate Xtian Church, and they > call anything a cult, however benevolent to its members, that doesnt > comply with the standard. > > P. Who, Anton? He's a pretty sharp guy for someone who excorcises demons;-) Btw, he does not consider Catholics to be real Christians (according to his cult/apologetics web site). Perhaps I shouldn't be, but I am amazed at how popular AA is with the clergy, especially Catholics. If anything it's a Christian heresy! You got to hand it to that Bill character--he was a good salesman. My guess is that AA appeals to their guild loyalty and is sufficiently non-threatening to their febile minds. Remember the story about the RC priest who proseletized, not for the church, but for AA! Unreal... Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2001 Report Share Posted January 31, 2001 > Who, Anton? He's a pretty sharp guy for someone who excorcises > demons;-) Btw, he does not consider Catholics to be real Christians > (according to his cult/apologetics web site). LOL. Only happebn to be the word's largest xtian denomination! When I get *very* depressed I start getting freaked about being possessed nd I asked him about it. I told him truthfully that I have used ouija boards and Tarot cards and he hasnt written since. > > Perhaps I shouldn't be, but I am amazed at how popular AA is with the > clergy, especially Catholics. If anything it's a Christian heresy! > You got to hand it to that Bill character--he was a good salesman. Yep. He basically broke the Catholic patent on confession and sold it to the Protestants, which is a bit like marketing something beef called " Burg Mac " and selling it to vegetarians! Interesting that many charismatic Xtians diss AA because they recknon Jesus can do it all in one go and hence you dont need it, whereas others endorse it. I remember one Xtian guy I knew being very upset that a " One step recovery man " as he called him, was going to speak at his church. " I cant believe God will allow it, " he said. " Let this man speak in my Church.... " . I didnt hear what happened but short of lightning bolts the guy probably did do his speech. P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2001 Report Share Posted January 31, 2001 > Who, Anton? He's a pretty sharp guy for someone who excorcises > demons;-) Btw, he does not consider Catholics to be real Christians > (according to his cult/apologetics web site). LOL. Only happebn to be the word's largest xtian denomination! When I get *very* depressed I start getting freaked about being possessed nd I asked him about it. I told him truthfully that I have used ouija boards and Tarot cards and he hasnt written since. > > Perhaps I shouldn't be, but I am amazed at how popular AA is with the > clergy, especially Catholics. If anything it's a Christian heresy! > You got to hand it to that Bill character--he was a good salesman. Yep. He basically broke the Catholic patent on confession and sold it to the Protestants, which is a bit like marketing something beef called " Burg Mac " and selling it to vegetarians! Interesting that many charismatic Xtians diss AA because they recknon Jesus can do it all in one go and hence you dont need it, whereas others endorse it. I remember one Xtian guy I knew being very upset that a " One step recovery man " as he called him, was going to speak at his church. " I cant believe God will allow it, " he said. " Let this man speak in my Church.... " . I didnt hear what happened but short of lightning bolts the guy probably did do his speech. P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2001 Report Share Posted January 31, 2001 > > > Perhaps I shouldn't be, but I am amazed at how popular AA is with > the > > clergy, especially Catholics. If anything it's a Christian heresy! > > You got to hand it to that Bill character--he was a good salesman. > > Yep. He basically broke the Catholic patent on confession and sold it > to the Protestants, which is a bit like marketing something beef > called " Burg Mac " and selling it to vegetarians! > Pete, Maybe I've got this wrong, but my understanding was that what did was sell the public confession of the Protestants to the Catholics who believed only in confession to/through a Priest. There is much about AA that sounds like the evangelicalism of the 18th and 19th centuries. In the early days of Methodism,for example, Wesly set up small groups called bands whose members met regularly for mutual guidance. At the meetings each person would be asked-- 1. What known sin have you committed since our last meeting? 2. What temptation have you met with? 3. How were you delivered? 4. What have you though, saim, or one of which you doubt whether it be a sin or not? 5. Have you nothing you desire to keep secret? Sounds pretty much like a 12 step meeting. There were also smaller select-bands for those passing into perfection. Here everything that was said was to remain within the group. You're right about being a great salesman. In the early 1950s he succeeded in courting the Catholic Church at the same time that Buchman's theology was considered so suspect that Catholics were told they would be excommunicated if they went to MRA retreats. There was, of course, no real difference in their theologies, but gave the impressiont that he was on the verge of converting to Catholicism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2001 Report Share Posted January 31, 2001 > Pete, > > Maybe I've got this wrong, but my understanding was that what > did was sell the public confession of the Protestants to the > Catholics who believed only in confession to/through a Priest. Yep, better description. A curious thing I've noticed is that the sex addiction XA's seem much closer to the original AA model in that in London anyway they have things like public step 1's (i.e. confessions), and when I left even communal prayers for individual members not at the meeting. Out of sight! P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2001 Report Share Posted January 31, 2001 > Pete, > > Maybe I've got this wrong, but my understanding was that what > did was sell the public confession of the Protestants to the > Catholics who believed only in confession to/through a Priest. Yep, better description. A curious thing I've noticed is that the sex addiction XA's seem much closer to the original AA model in that in London anyway they have things like public step 1's (i.e. confessions), and when I left even communal prayers for individual members not at the meeting. Out of sight! P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2001 Report Share Posted January 31, 2001 > Pete, > > Maybe I've got this wrong, but my understanding was that what > did was sell the public confession of the Protestants to the > Catholics who believed only in confession to/through a Priest. Yep, better description. A curious thing I've noticed is that the sex addiction XA's seem much closer to the original AA model in that in London anyway they have things like public step 1's (i.e. confessions), and when I left even communal prayers for individual members not at the meeting. Out of sight! P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 A clergyman writing in the Appendix of " AA COmes of Age " describes AA as " quintessentially religious " . > In a message dated 1/27/01 8:02:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, arroyoh@h... > writes: > > << You know the funny part was that he claimed it then shortly claimed that > Spiritualism doesn't equal religious. So naturally I asked him if AA was > spiritual not religious how could AA have religious aspects? As you can > imagine I have yet to receive an answer on that one. > >> > I hate it when they use that spiritual scam to avoid religious. > Spiritual indeed. > Same game, same number, same time. piper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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