Guest guest Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 > By stiffness / pulling, I don't mean bloating, it is a symptom I've > been having for many years now ( I think it started after my gall > bladder operation).. i feel something pulling in my abdomen, > abnormal..I wonder if it has to do with the bile.. or simply some > intestines irritation.. it does not happen always.. but it did > reappear in these past days.. Pulling sounds like something mechanical. Perhaps you had adhesions form after your surgery, which would bind your organs together, and when one internal organ moves or changes shape, the adhesions tug on other organs. Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 > By stiffness / pulling, I don't mean bloating, it is a symptom I've > been having for many years now ( I think it started after my gall > bladder operation).. i feel something pulling in my abdomen, > abnormal..I wonder if it has to do with the bile.. or simply some > intestines irritation.. it does not happen always.. but it did > reappear in these past days.. Pulling sounds like something mechanical. Perhaps you had adhesions form after your surgery, which would bind your organs together, and when one internal organ moves or changes shape, the adhesions tug on other organs. Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 > By stiffness / pulling, I don't mean bloating, it is a symptom I've > been having for many years now ( I think it started after my gall > bladder operation).. i feel something pulling in my abdomen, > abnormal..I wonder if it has to do with the bile.. or simply some > intestines irritation.. it does not happen always.. but it did > reappear in these past days.. Pulling sounds like something mechanical. Perhaps you had adhesions form after your surgery, which would bind your organs together, and when one internal organ moves or changes shape, the adhesions tug on other organs. Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 > > yes, I have the book 'Amalgam Illness' .. which page should I check > for that particular subject? Thanks again, > > Michel in Quebec > I don't have a page number for you Michel, sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 > > yes, I have the book 'Amalgam Illness' .. which page should I check > for that particular subject? Thanks again, > > Michel in Quebec > I don't have a page number for you Michel, sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 > > yes, I have the book 'Amalgam Illness' .. which page should I check > for that particular subject? Thanks again, > > Michel in Quebec > I don't have a page number for you Michel, sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 > > Hi , > > Thanks for your comments and encouragement.. I am going to wait a few > days before starting another round.. Actually it seems like something > was stirred up.. for the last 3 days, besides the gases problem and > digestive irritation(it looks like a mild intestinal flu), some old > symptoms have come up again, some kind of stiffness in the abdomen > area, it is like something is pulling in the liver / intestines area... > > I had my gallbladder removed 9 years ago.. I don't know if this has > something to do with it.. > i found a post from andy that may help you to figure out how to chelate safely without a gall bladder. it would be nice in this situation to be able to consult with andy or with one of the practitioners he works with. http://onibasu.com/archives/am/83873.html > I feel the two rounds on DMSA have stirred something... > > could somebody please answer this question: can chelation with DMSA > aggravate existing symptoms? yes. my existing symptoms were aggravated so much at the end of chelation rounds that i decided to chelate with dmps and chelate continuously. by chelating continuously i never have end of round symptoms. it's a party. if symptoms are difficult to cope with then the dose of chelator is likely too high. support supplements, and medications for those who need them, help to alleviate symptoms. good luck linda j Thanks.. > > Have a good day, > > Michel > > > > > > i don't know about this symptom, except that i hear parents on the > > autism group complain about it. perhaps someone else will comment. > > > > > wait and see if anyone has anything to say. > > > > glad to hear that you are chelating safely. > > > > best wishes > > > > linda j > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 > > Hi , > > Thanks for your comments and encouragement.. I am going to wait a few > days before starting another round.. Actually it seems like something > was stirred up.. for the last 3 days, besides the gases problem and > digestive irritation(it looks like a mild intestinal flu), some old > symptoms have come up again, some kind of stiffness in the abdomen > area, it is like something is pulling in the liver / intestines area... > > I had my gallbladder removed 9 years ago.. I don't know if this has > something to do with it.. > i found a post from andy that may help you to figure out how to chelate safely without a gall bladder. it would be nice in this situation to be able to consult with andy or with one of the practitioners he works with. http://onibasu.com/archives/am/83873.html > I feel the two rounds on DMSA have stirred something... > > could somebody please answer this question: can chelation with DMSA > aggravate existing symptoms? yes. my existing symptoms were aggravated so much at the end of chelation rounds that i decided to chelate with dmps and chelate continuously. by chelating continuously i never have end of round symptoms. it's a party. if symptoms are difficult to cope with then the dose of chelator is likely too high. support supplements, and medications for those who need them, help to alleviate symptoms. good luck linda j Thanks.. > > Have a good day, > > Michel > > > > > > i don't know about this symptom, except that i hear parents on the > > autism group complain about it. perhaps someone else will comment. > > > > > wait and see if anyone has anything to say. > > > > glad to hear that you are chelating safely. > > > > best wishes > > > > linda j > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 Hi , No, I don't have a white coating on my tongue, neither an unusual redness.. it is a light feeling of burning / irritation in my digestive system.. (beginning with my mouth). Also, out of curiousity I did this morning the saliva test with a glass of water, and again.. it shows no indication at all of yeast/candida infection.. Following your advice I researched the web about candida/yeast symptoms... and it is hard for me to tell.. I have some of them..ie.. some slight fungus infection in my toes, fatigue, bloating... I did take antibiotics when I was kid or teen ager.. but not in the last 15 years.. etc.. so it is hard to tell... The grapefruit extract I am taking now.. may be helping.. as I feel much better today.. almost normal.. with still the slight digestive irritation.. that's all... I wish I got your answer before I went to buy my supplements yesterday.. I bought a lot.. but didn't know about the anti-fungal you suggest... (caprylic acid).. but I guess I can still get it this week.. In my google search, I found some websites prasing a product called 'ThreeLac' as being the ultimate remedy for Candida !! what do you think of it? Do you know something about it? Thanks.. As for stopping all fruits, it is going to be hard for me.. at least I stopped bananas today! LOL... Michel > > --- In frequent-dose-chelation , " mamike84 " >> > Do you have a white coating on your tongue? Or unusual redness? > If you can get liquid probiotics, you might try swishing it around > in your mouth before swallowing. If the problem is bacteria or > yeast, that would help. > > > > Did you feel any reaction to the grapefruit seed extract (GSE)? > GSE is both antifungal and antibacterial. It will also kill the > good bacteria. I try to avoid it for that reason, though I have > found it very effective at times. > > I like caprylic acid on a regular basis. Coconut oil contains > caprylic acid, so you can try that as well. Tanalbit, oil of > oregano, rx antifungals, and there are others. Different things > work better, or are more tolerable for different people. > > > > > I managed dysbiosis (yeast/bacteria) with diet and probiotics > for several years before I started chelating. When I started > chelation, I needed to use antifungals again. > > I think oil of oregano probably works for bacteria, not sure > about caprylic acid. GSE is often effective for bacteria. > I'm sure there are others, but don't remember. > > > It seems likely that has something to do with the bile flow. > I don't know much about this, but I assume without a gall bladder > that bile dumps directly into the intestines instead of being > stored in the gall bladder. > > It is nice to get that internal sense that something is really > happening! > > -- > > You may have to try some things (or possibly do some testing) > > > to see what is going on. First you need more information. > > > Google search will find more - try searching on " candida yeast > > > symptoms " and see if that sounds like you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taking DMSA (or any chelator) can definitely aggravate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 Hi , No, I don't have a white coating on my tongue, neither an unusual redness.. it is a light feeling of burning / irritation in my digestive system.. (beginning with my mouth). Also, out of curiousity I did this morning the saliva test with a glass of water, and again.. it shows no indication at all of yeast/candida infection.. Following your advice I researched the web about candida/yeast symptoms... and it is hard for me to tell.. I have some of them..ie.. some slight fungus infection in my toes, fatigue, bloating... I did take antibiotics when I was kid or teen ager.. but not in the last 15 years.. etc.. so it is hard to tell... The grapefruit extract I am taking now.. may be helping.. as I feel much better today.. almost normal.. with still the slight digestive irritation.. that's all... I wish I got your answer before I went to buy my supplements yesterday.. I bought a lot.. but didn't know about the anti-fungal you suggest... (caprylic acid).. but I guess I can still get it this week.. In my google search, I found some websites prasing a product called 'ThreeLac' as being the ultimate remedy for Candida !! what do you think of it? Do you know something about it? Thanks.. As for stopping all fruits, it is going to be hard for me.. at least I stopped bananas today! LOL... Michel > > --- In frequent-dose-chelation , " mamike84 " >> > Do you have a white coating on your tongue? Or unusual redness? > If you can get liquid probiotics, you might try swishing it around > in your mouth before swallowing. If the problem is bacteria or > yeast, that would help. > > > > Did you feel any reaction to the grapefruit seed extract (GSE)? > GSE is both antifungal and antibacterial. It will also kill the > good bacteria. I try to avoid it for that reason, though I have > found it very effective at times. > > I like caprylic acid on a regular basis. Coconut oil contains > caprylic acid, so you can try that as well. Tanalbit, oil of > oregano, rx antifungals, and there are others. Different things > work better, or are more tolerable for different people. > > > > > I managed dysbiosis (yeast/bacteria) with diet and probiotics > for several years before I started chelating. When I started > chelation, I needed to use antifungals again. > > I think oil of oregano probably works for bacteria, not sure > about caprylic acid. GSE is often effective for bacteria. > I'm sure there are others, but don't remember. > > > It seems likely that has something to do with the bile flow. > I don't know much about this, but I assume without a gall bladder > that bile dumps directly into the intestines instead of being > stored in the gall bladder. > > It is nice to get that internal sense that something is really > happening! > > -- > > You may have to try some things (or possibly do some testing) > > > to see what is going on. First you need more information. > > > Google search will find more - try searching on " candida yeast > > > symptoms " and see if that sounds like you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taking DMSA (or any chelator) can definitely aggravate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 Hi , No, I don't have a white coating on my tongue, neither an unusual redness.. it is a light feeling of burning / irritation in my digestive system.. (beginning with my mouth). Also, out of curiousity I did this morning the saliva test with a glass of water, and again.. it shows no indication at all of yeast/candida infection.. Following your advice I researched the web about candida/yeast symptoms... and it is hard for me to tell.. I have some of them..ie.. some slight fungus infection in my toes, fatigue, bloating... I did take antibiotics when I was kid or teen ager.. but not in the last 15 years.. etc.. so it is hard to tell... The grapefruit extract I am taking now.. may be helping.. as I feel much better today.. almost normal.. with still the slight digestive irritation.. that's all... I wish I got your answer before I went to buy my supplements yesterday.. I bought a lot.. but didn't know about the anti-fungal you suggest... (caprylic acid).. but I guess I can still get it this week.. In my google search, I found some websites prasing a product called 'ThreeLac' as being the ultimate remedy for Candida !! what do you think of it? Do you know something about it? Thanks.. As for stopping all fruits, it is going to be hard for me.. at least I stopped bananas today! LOL... Michel > > --- In frequent-dose-chelation , " mamike84 " >> > Do you have a white coating on your tongue? Or unusual redness? > If you can get liquid probiotics, you might try swishing it around > in your mouth before swallowing. If the problem is bacteria or > yeast, that would help. > > > > Did you feel any reaction to the grapefruit seed extract (GSE)? > GSE is both antifungal and antibacterial. It will also kill the > good bacteria. I try to avoid it for that reason, though I have > found it very effective at times. > > I like caprylic acid on a regular basis. Coconut oil contains > caprylic acid, so you can try that as well. Tanalbit, oil of > oregano, rx antifungals, and there are others. Different things > work better, or are more tolerable for different people. > > > > > I managed dysbiosis (yeast/bacteria) with diet and probiotics > for several years before I started chelating. When I started > chelation, I needed to use antifungals again. > > I think oil of oregano probably works for bacteria, not sure > about caprylic acid. GSE is often effective for bacteria. > I'm sure there are others, but don't remember. > > > It seems likely that has something to do with the bile flow. > I don't know much about this, but I assume without a gall bladder > that bile dumps directly into the intestines instead of being > stored in the gall bladder. > > It is nice to get that internal sense that something is really > happening! > > -- > > You may have to try some things (or possibly do some testing) > > > to see what is going on. First you need more information. > > > Google search will find more - try searching on " candida yeast > > > symptoms " and see if that sounds like you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taking DMSA (or any chelator) can definitely aggravate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 Hi , Thanks again for your kind help. I am going to try and write to Andy and see if he answers, about chelating without a gall bladder.. I am already taking lecithin and taurine.. I have a question though I am taking one tablet of taurine (500 mg) a day.. is this enough or should i take more? Have a good day, Michel > > i found a post from andy that may help you to figure out how to > chelate safely without a gall bladder. it would be nice in this > situation to be able to consult with andy or with one of the > practitioners he works with. > > > http://onibasu.com/archives/am/83873.html > > > > yes. > > my existing symptoms were aggravated so much at the end of chelation > rounds that i decided to chelate with dmps and chelate continuously. > > by chelating continuously i never have end of round symptoms. it's a > party. > > if symptoms are difficult to cope with then the dose of chelator is > likely too high. support supplements, and medications for those who > need them, help to alleviate symptoms. > > good luck > > linda j > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 Hi , Thanks again for your kind help. I am going to try and write to Andy and see if he answers, about chelating without a gall bladder.. I am already taking lecithin and taurine.. I have a question though I am taking one tablet of taurine (500 mg) a day.. is this enough or should i take more? Have a good day, Michel > > i found a post from andy that may help you to figure out how to > chelate safely without a gall bladder. it would be nice in this > situation to be able to consult with andy or with one of the > practitioners he works with. > > > http://onibasu.com/archives/am/83873.html > > > > yes. > > my existing symptoms were aggravated so much at the end of chelation > rounds that i decided to chelate with dmps and chelate continuously. > > by chelating continuously i never have end of round symptoms. it's a > party. > > if symptoms are difficult to cope with then the dose of chelator is > likely too high. support supplements, and medications for those who > need them, help to alleviate symptoms. > > good luck > > linda j > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 Hi , Thanks for your clarification. You sound very knowledgeable in this field..you are right I feel it is definitely a possibility.. About tightness in the abdomen being a classic symptom of yeast overgrowth, where can I find details about this particular point. In my case this 'tightness' becomes very serious after my main meal.. and I have to lay down sometimes..for a few minutes and then I am ok.. So, you might be right, it might be due to yeast overgrowth.. Is there a way to figure it out more accurately? Have a good day, Michel > > Michel, there shouldn't be *any* yeast in your blood. The fact that > there is some shows it is an issue. > > You mentioned tightness of the abdomen - this is a classic sign of > yeast overgrowth (rather than liver,kidney issues) > > > she told me according to the test that the > > oxidative stress is my major issue !! > > Actually oxidative stress is all our major issue. Both mercury and > yeast cause an enourmous amount of oxidative stress. Thats why the > constant emphasis on things like Vit C, Vit E and the good minerals - > Mag, Zinc, selenium etc. > > . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 Thanks Lynn for your thought.. it could be a possibility.. only God knows at this point.. LOL... I had a liver test a couple of months ago at the hospital.. it is called " échographie " (in French) sorry I don't know the word in English.. and the doc found my liver to be normal.. Michel > Pulling sounds like something mechanical. Perhaps you had adhesions form > after your surgery, which would bind your organs together, and when one > internal organ moves or changes shape, the adhesions tug on other organs. > > Lynn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 Thanks Lynn for your thought.. it could be a possibility.. only God knows at this point.. LOL... I had a liver test a couple of months ago at the hospital.. it is called " échographie " (in French) sorry I don't know the word in English.. and the doc found my liver to be normal.. Michel > Pulling sounds like something mechanical. Perhaps you had adhesions form > after your surgery, which would bind your organs together, and when one > internal organ moves or changes shape, the adhesions tug on other organs. > > Lynn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 Thanks Lynn for your thought.. it could be a possibility.. only God knows at this point.. LOL... I had a liver test a couple of months ago at the hospital.. it is called " échographie " (in French) sorry I don't know the word in English.. and the doc found my liver to be normal.. Michel > Pulling sounds like something mechanical. Perhaps you had adhesions form > after your surgery, which would bind your organs together, and when one > internal organ moves or changes shape, the adhesions tug on other organs. > > Lynn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 > > > > --- In frequent-dose-chelation , " mamike84 " > >> > > Do you have a white coating on your tongue? Or unusual redness? > > If you can get liquid probiotics, you might try swishing it around > > in your mouth before swallowing. If the problem is bacteria or > > yeast, that would help. > > > > > > > > Did you feel any reaction to the grapefruit seed extract (GSE)? > > GSE is both antifungal and antibacterial. It will also kill the > > good bacteria. I try to avoid it for that reason, though I have > > found it very effective at times. > > > > I like caprylic acid on a regular basis. Coconut oil contains > > caprylic acid, so you can try that as well. Tanalbit, oil of > > oregano, rx antifungals, and there are others. Different things > > work better, or are more tolerable for different people. > > > > > > > > > > I managed dysbiosis (yeast/bacteria) with diet and probiotics > > for several years before I started chelating. When I started > > chelation, I needed to use antifungals again. > > > > I think oil of oregano probably works for bacteria, not sure > > about caprylic acid. GSE is often effective for bacteria. > > I'm sure there are others, but don't remember. > > > > > > It seems likely that has something to do with the bile flow. > > I don't know much about this, but I assume without a gall bladder > > that bile dumps directly into the intestines instead of being > > stored in the gall bladder. > > > > It is nice to get that internal sense that something is really > > happening! > > > > -- > > > You may have to try some things (or possibly do some testing) > > > > to see what is going on. First you need more information. > > > > Google search will find more - try searching on " candida yeast > > > > symptoms " and see if that sounds like you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taking DMSA (or any chelator) can definitely aggravate > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 Here's one web site of many that talks about adhesions: http://www.emedicinehealth.com/adhesions_general_and_after_surgery/article_em.ht\ m Ask your doctor how he would know if you had adhesions. Lynn >Thanks Lynn for your thought.. it could be a possibility.. only God knows at this point.. LOL... I had a liver test a couple of months ago at the hospital.. it is called " échographie " (in French) sorry I don't know the word in English.. and the doc found my liver to be normal.. Michel > Pulling sounds like something mechanical. Perhaps you had adhesions form > after your surgery, which would bind your organs together, and when one > internal organ moves or changes shape, the adhesions tug on other organs. > > Lynn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 Hey guys, Just my opinion, but Primal Defense is not that good of a product. The BEST probiotic BY FAR is Dr. Ohhira's Probiotics Plus. It takes 5 years to make and is pretty special. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 Hey guys, Just my opinion, but Primal Defense is not that good of a product. The BEST probiotic BY FAR is Dr. Ohhira's Probiotics Plus. It takes 5 years to make and is pretty special. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 Hey guys, Just my opinion, but Primal Defense is not that good of a product. The BEST probiotic BY FAR is Dr. Ohhira's Probiotics Plus. It takes 5 years to make and is pretty special. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 Hi , I would like to ask you if your GI discomfort in your first few rounds on DMSA subsided at some point by themselves.. or did you cope with the issue with some specific supplements? About my yeast protocol... I don't know exactly.. I know that when I did my live blood test the practitioner told me there is some yeast in the blood but it is not very much... Have a good day, Michel > > Hi Michel, > > I had quite a bit of bloating and GI discomfort (gurgling, gas pains) on my first few rounds > of DMSA only. What is your yeast protocol like? > > And yes, my understanding is that chelation can exaberate symptoms. Do you have a > copy of " Amalgam Illness " ? > > in Illinois, kids & I just finished round 26. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 Hi , I would like to ask you if your GI discomfort in your first few rounds on DMSA subsided at some point by themselves.. or did you cope with the issue with some specific supplements? About my yeast protocol... I don't know exactly.. I know that when I did my live blood test the practitioner told me there is some yeast in the blood but it is not very much... Have a good day, Michel > > Hi Michel, > > I had quite a bit of bloating and GI discomfort (gurgling, gas pains) on my first few rounds > of DMSA only. What is your yeast protocol like? > > And yes, my understanding is that chelation can exaberate symptoms. Do you have a > copy of " Amalgam Illness " ? > > in Illinois, kids & I just finished round 26. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 Hi , I would like to ask you if your GI discomfort in your first few rounds on DMSA subsided at some point by themselves.. or did you cope with the issue with some specific supplements? About my yeast protocol... I don't know exactly.. I know that when I did my live blood test the practitioner told me there is some yeast in the blood but it is not very much... Have a good day, Michel > > Hi Michel, > > I had quite a bit of bloating and GI discomfort (gurgling, gas pains) on my first few rounds > of DMSA only. What is your yeast protocol like? > > And yes, my understanding is that chelation can exaberate symptoms. Do you have a > copy of " Amalgam Illness " ? > > in Illinois, kids & I just finished round 26. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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