Guest guest Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 I have to agree on some points NR is not making it necessarly harder, however is more complicated. It breaks up the continuiety we have come to expect. It also makes it more expensive to achieve. It also makes the records keeping more extensive./ As for union? There was a time in this country that unions were absolutely necessary for labor. The problem is that they now are so large the the cost to the laborer to keep them is difficult. They have recieved a black eye from some things that have occured in the past. But mostely the demands are so high that management will ship jobs over seas rather than pay for them. I would like to point out that organization is absolutely necessary if we as a group plan to improve our situation. It will take organization from the majority of Texas Certified EMS persosnnel, but we can achieve our goals if we band together and speak with one loud voice. Voice of Hope for EMS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 I have to agree on some points NR is not making it necessarly harder, however is more complicated. It breaks up the continuiety we have come to expect. It also makes it more expensive to achieve. It also makes the records keeping more extensive./ As for union? There was a time in this country that unions were absolutely necessary for labor. The problem is that they now are so large the the cost to the laborer to keep them is difficult. They have recieved a black eye from some things that have occured in the past. But mostely the demands are so high that management will ship jobs over seas rather than pay for them. I would like to point out that organization is absolutely necessary if we as a group plan to improve our situation. It will take organization from the majority of Texas Certified EMS persosnnel, but we can achieve our goals if we band together and speak with one loud voice. Voice of Hope for EMS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 The statement about pay being low because of people who are willing to " do it for free " is, in my opinion, comparing apples to oranges, and not really the point. Volunteers, both in EMS and fire service, (such as myself many years ago in my home town), do it for a sense of community, and other motivations. The vast majority have another job to support themselves and their family, are not the individuals having to deal with the pay issue. These people, by definition, aren't worried about how much they are getting paid, because, of course, they are not getting paid. There are individuals who are working for very low (8-10/hr) wages right now for some private services and some municipalities. My original point on a previous post about the NR being good for pay rates still should hold true. If there are less people who are paramedic certified, then maybe the individual medic making the lower rate will see an opportunity to leave for a higher rate, or may be able to leverage a higher rate out of their current employer. It will almost inevitably increase the pay scale if the employers need to attract paramedic level individuals to hire, and will give incentives to offer more money per hour so that employer can pick and choose the most qualified of the applicants. Supply and demand. (Just like OPEC is doing to us right now at the gas pumps) Anyway, point is, it really has nothing to do with volunteering, it has to do with those of us who do it for a living. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 ) < Anyway, point is, it really has nothing to do with volunteering, it <has to do with those of us who do it for a living. Although it's not the point of the entire discussion, it may very well be a contributing factor. I'm currently a volunteer paramedic, and have been for almost 20yrs. I have a master's degree in education, and have taught special ed for many years as well. To make a long story short.....I love EMS, and I'm good at what I do. It cant pay me well enough to leave my kids and go off to work....hats off to those of you who can do it. Education didnt pay very well either, nor does the fire service(hubby's with a city FD), but many ems salaries are ridiculous. Even if I managed to find a ft paid position in EMS that paid well, I'd continue to volunteer within my own community. But, again...to leave my kids for 24 hrs at a time, for a " pittance " is not worth it. Kathi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 I live in an area near an all volunteer ems service and the last several day that is just what happened there was no volunteers to respond and because there were suppose to be volunteers there were no private services to respond so a near by area city paid service was asked to respond seems there were no available units in that city paid or municipal or private to respond I have no idea what the out come was but let the volunteers worry about it. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Re: Paramedic Shortage The statements I heard about volunteers was something to the effect of why pay people to do the job when the volunteers are doing just fine. Of course this opened up the whole discussion (and joke) about what if we gave a emergency and nobody came. This was a while back and I don't remember if it was about the fire dept or EMS. Again, these were statements I heard and are not my opinion. > The statement about pay being low because of people who are willing to > " do it for free " is, in my opinion, comparing apples to oranges, and not > really the point. Volunteers, both in EMS and fire service, (such as myself many > years ago in my home town), do it for a sense of community, and other > motivations. The vast majority have another job to support themselves and their family, > are not the individuals having to deal with the pay issue. These people, by > definition, aren't worried about how much they are getting paid, because, of > course, they are not getting paid. > There are individuals who are working for very low (8-10/hr) wages > right now for some private services and some municipalities. My original point on > a previous post about the NR being good for pay rates still should hold true. > If there are less people who are paramedic certified, then maybe the > individual medic making the lower rate will see an opportunity to leave for a higher > rate, or may be able to leverage a higher rate out of their current employer. > It will almost inevitably increase the pay scale if the employers need to > attract paramedic level individuals to hire, and will give incentives to offer > more money per hour so that employer can pick and choose the most qualified of > the applicants. Supply and demand. (Just like OPEC is doing to us right now at > the gas pumps) > Anyway, point is, it really has nothing to do with volunteering, it > has to do with those of us who do it for a living. > > Chris > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 I live in an area near an all volunteer ems service and the last several day that is just what happened there was no volunteers to respond and because there were suppose to be volunteers there were no private services to respond so a near by area city paid service was asked to respond seems there were no available units in that city paid or municipal or private to respond I have no idea what the out come was but let the volunteers worry about it. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Re: Paramedic Shortage The statements I heard about volunteers was something to the effect of why pay people to do the job when the volunteers are doing just fine. Of course this opened up the whole discussion (and joke) about what if we gave a emergency and nobody came. This was a while back and I don't remember if it was about the fire dept or EMS. Again, these were statements I heard and are not my opinion. > The statement about pay being low because of people who are willing to > " do it for free " is, in my opinion, comparing apples to oranges, and not > really the point. Volunteers, both in EMS and fire service, (such as myself many > years ago in my home town), do it for a sense of community, and other > motivations. The vast majority have another job to support themselves and their family, > are not the individuals having to deal with the pay issue. These people, by > definition, aren't worried about how much they are getting paid, because, of > course, they are not getting paid. > There are individuals who are working for very low (8-10/hr) wages > right now for some private services and some municipalities. My original point on > a previous post about the NR being good for pay rates still should hold true. > If there are less people who are paramedic certified, then maybe the > individual medic making the lower rate will see an opportunity to leave for a higher > rate, or may be able to leverage a higher rate out of their current employer. > It will almost inevitably increase the pay scale if the employers need to > attract paramedic level individuals to hire, and will give incentives to offer > more money per hour so that employer can pick and choose the most qualified of > the applicants. Supply and demand. (Just like OPEC is doing to us right now at > the gas pumps) > Anyway, point is, it really has nothing to do with volunteering, it > has to do with those of us who do it for a living. > > Chris > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2004 Report Share Posted August 21, 2004 I think the point was not to say that the volunteers are doing it for the wrong reasons or the wrong motivations. I don't think anyone has ever belittled individuals for being volunteers. Rather, the point is that if you took all of the EMS volunteers in the state away, that would in fact create the severe shortage that you speak of. Of course the effect would be that many, many communities would be left with no ambulance or first responder coverage (which noone wants to happen, of course). But I think that is the point of the statement about volunteers. Supply and demand, why buy the cow when you get the milk for free, etc. Chambers, LP Re: Re: Paramedic Shortage > The statement about pay being low because of people who are > willing to > " do it for free " is, in my opinion, comparing apples to oranges, > and not > really the point. Volunteers, both in EMS and fire service, (such > as myself many > years ago in my home town), do it for a sense of community, and > other > motivations. The vast majority have another job to support > themselves and their family, > are not the individuals having to deal with the pay issue. These > people, by > definition, aren't worried about how much they are getting paid, > because, of > course, they are not getting paid. > There are individuals who are working for very low (8- > 10/hr) wages > right now for some private services and some municipalities. My > original point on > a previous post about the NR being good for pay rates still should > hold true. > If there are less people who are paramedic certified, then maybe > the > individual medic making the lower rate will see an opportunity to > leave for a higher > rate, or may be able to leverage a higher rate out of their > current employer. > It will almost inevitably increase the pay scale if the employers > need to > attract paramedic level individuals to hire, and will give > incentives to offer > more money per hour so that employer can pick and choose the most > qualified of > the applicants. Supply and demand. (Just like OPEC is doing to us > right now at > the gas pumps) > Anyway, point is, it really has nothing to do with > volunteering, it > has to do with those of us who do it for a living. > > Chris > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 Do you remember the strike they were in? Do you remember that the government ordered them back to work or be replaced and most didn't. McGee FIREFIGHTERTWR@... wrote: AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS WERE EITHER FIRED OR THEY QUIT DUE TO POOR STRESS MANAGEMENT, WHERE DID THE GOVERNMENT THING COME FROM? TERRY W.RICHARDSON,FF/EMT/PILOT " Re: Paramedic Shortage Think about what happened to the air traffic controlers, they thought the same way, and the government proved them wrong and they all ended up out of work. All I am saying, is let's not try to get rich overnight, but I strongly believe that we do need to unite (union maybe???) and be all on the same page. McGee Brown wrote: " .............then they(companies and the government) will find someone else to do it cheaper. " Who? Hell, there is a shortage now......who are they gonna get for less money? There aren't THAT many vollies out there. magnetass sends Re: Paramedic Shortage > > Exactly. Why do plumbers and truck drivers make more then we do? Do they > go through more training? Do they earn more respect from the general > public? I think not, and by the way I am not picking on plumbers or truck > drivers, I was a long haul driver for 6 years, but the answer is that they > have stuck togather, collectivly and refused to work for less money. But > remember that is a double-edged sword. If we ask for too much more, then > they(companies and the government) will find someone else to do it > cheaper. We need to be united but fair, and remember the REAL reason we > chose this field in the first place. > > McGee > > " lwd7734@... " wrote: > > Steve, > > I agree with you on this issue and we have discussed it many times. One of > the reasons that Paramedics get paid what we do is because we love what we > do and we will accept the position at that pay. First everyone needs to > agree there is a paramedic shortage. I have seen that debated many times. > Second we need to unite and and make our voices heard. Should we join a > union? How long will that take to prove that we are a force to be reckoned > with. I believe that would take many years to accomplish and get > recognized. There is the IAFF, however, there many goal seems to be taking > over EMS and minimum staffing on fire engines. Going through my posts, it > seems that this topic go little attention. > > I would like to hear more opinions on this topic because I believe there > really is a paramadic shortage. With that said, paramedics should be > commanding better pay. > > Larry D. > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. > Now includes pop-up blocker! > Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! > > > > --------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 Do you remember the strike they were in? Do you remember that the government ordered them back to work or be replaced and most didn't. McGee FIREFIGHTERTWR@... wrote: AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS WERE EITHER FIRED OR THEY QUIT DUE TO POOR STRESS MANAGEMENT, WHERE DID THE GOVERNMENT THING COME FROM? TERRY W.RICHARDSON,FF/EMT/PILOT " Re: Paramedic Shortage Think about what happened to the air traffic controlers, they thought the same way, and the government proved them wrong and they all ended up out of work. All I am saying, is let's not try to get rich overnight, but I strongly believe that we do need to unite (union maybe???) and be all on the same page. McGee Brown wrote: " .............then they(companies and the government) will find someone else to do it cheaper. " Who? Hell, there is a shortage now......who are they gonna get for less money? There aren't THAT many vollies out there. magnetass sends Re: Paramedic Shortage > > Exactly. Why do plumbers and truck drivers make more then we do? Do they > go through more training? Do they earn more respect from the general > public? I think not, and by the way I am not picking on plumbers or truck > drivers, I was a long haul driver for 6 years, but the answer is that they > have stuck togather, collectivly and refused to work for less money. But > remember that is a double-edged sword. If we ask for too much more, then > they(companies and the government) will find someone else to do it > cheaper. We need to be united but fair, and remember the REAL reason we > chose this field in the first place. > > McGee > > " lwd7734@... " wrote: > > Steve, > > I agree with you on this issue and we have discussed it many times. One of > the reasons that Paramedics get paid what we do is because we love what we > do and we will accept the position at that pay. First everyone needs to > agree there is a paramedic shortage. I have seen that debated many times. > Second we need to unite and and make our voices heard. Should we join a > union? How long will that take to prove that we are a force to be reckoned > with. I believe that would take many years to accomplish and get > recognized. There is the IAFF, however, there many goal seems to be taking > over EMS and minimum staffing on fire engines. Going through my posts, it > seems that this topic go little attention. > > I would like to hear more opinions on this topic because I believe there > really is a paramadic shortage. With that said, paramedics should be > commanding better pay. > > Larry D. > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. > Now includes pop-up blocker! > Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! > > > > --------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 There in lies the problem. Most of us are starving our families for a career that we love so much. McGee FIREFIGHTERTWR@... wrote: YOU GOT THAT RIGHT, IF THEY DON'T WATCH IT WILL FIND SOMEONE CHEAPER TO FEEL THERE SEATS... AND COMPANIES WILL FIND THEM SELVES HIRING CERTIFIED FIRST AID/CPR PERSONELS AS DRIVERS AND ATTENDANCE......MY FULL-TIME JOB (AS PLANT PROTECTION,EMS FIREFIGHTER) BELIEVES IN PAYING ME FOR WHAT I AM TRAINED FOR AND I WORK PART-TIME FOR AN AMBULANCE SERVICE AND IT DOES NOT PAY ANYTHING NEAR WHAT I MAKE HERE AT MY FULL-TIME JOB, SOMETHING IS WRONG HERE......SO NEEDLESS TO SAY I WORK EMS ON THE SIDE JUST FOR A HOBBY I GUESS..... I WOULD LOVE TO WORK IT FULL-TIME BUT MY FAMILY AND I WOULD STARVE TO DEATH.................. TERRY W.RICHARDSON,FF/EMT/PILOT Re: Paramedic Shortage " .............then they(companies and the government) will find someone else to do it cheaper. " Who? Hell, there is a shortage now......who are they gonna get for less money? There aren't THAT many vollies out there. magnetass sends Re: Paramedic Shortage > > Exactly. Why do plumbers and truck drivers make more then we do? Do they > go through more training? Do they earn more respect from the general > public? I think not, and by the way I am not picking on plumbers or truck > drivers, I was a long haul driver for 6 years, but the answer is that they > have stuck togather, collectivly and refused to work for less money. But > remember that is a double-edged sword. If we ask for too much more, then > they(companies and the government) will find someone else to do it > cheaper. We need to be united but fair, and remember the REAL reason we > chose this field in the first place. > > McGee > > " lwd7734@... " wrote: > > Steve, > > I agree with you on this issue and we have discussed it many times. One of > the reasons that Paramedics get paid what we do is because we love what we > do and we will accept the position at that pay. First everyone needs to > agree there is a paramedic shortage. I have seen that debated many times. > Second we need to unite and and make our voices heard. Should we join a > union? How long will that take to prove that we are a force to be reckoned > with. I believe that would take many years to accomplish and get > recognized. There is the IAFF, however, there many goal seems to be taking > over EMS and minimum staffing on fire engines. Going through my posts, it > seems that this topic go little attention. > > I would like to hear more opinions on this topic because I believe there > really is a paramadic shortage. With that said, paramedics should be > commanding better pay. > > Larry D. > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. > Now includes pop-up blocker! > Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! > > > > --------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 There in lies the problem. Most of us are starving our families for a career that we love so much. McGee FIREFIGHTERTWR@... wrote: YOU GOT THAT RIGHT, IF THEY DON'T WATCH IT WILL FIND SOMEONE CHEAPER TO FEEL THERE SEATS... AND COMPANIES WILL FIND THEM SELVES HIRING CERTIFIED FIRST AID/CPR PERSONELS AS DRIVERS AND ATTENDANCE......MY FULL-TIME JOB (AS PLANT PROTECTION,EMS FIREFIGHTER) BELIEVES IN PAYING ME FOR WHAT I AM TRAINED FOR AND I WORK PART-TIME FOR AN AMBULANCE SERVICE AND IT DOES NOT PAY ANYTHING NEAR WHAT I MAKE HERE AT MY FULL-TIME JOB, SOMETHING IS WRONG HERE......SO NEEDLESS TO SAY I WORK EMS ON THE SIDE JUST FOR A HOBBY I GUESS..... I WOULD LOVE TO WORK IT FULL-TIME BUT MY FAMILY AND I WOULD STARVE TO DEATH.................. TERRY W.RICHARDSON,FF/EMT/PILOT Re: Paramedic Shortage " .............then they(companies and the government) will find someone else to do it cheaper. " Who? Hell, there is a shortage now......who are they gonna get for less money? There aren't THAT many vollies out there. magnetass sends Re: Paramedic Shortage > > Exactly. Why do plumbers and truck drivers make more then we do? Do they > go through more training? Do they earn more respect from the general > public? I think not, and by the way I am not picking on plumbers or truck > drivers, I was a long haul driver for 6 years, but the answer is that they > have stuck togather, collectivly and refused to work for less money. But > remember that is a double-edged sword. If we ask for too much more, then > they(companies and the government) will find someone else to do it > cheaper. We need to be united but fair, and remember the REAL reason we > chose this field in the first place. > > McGee > > " lwd7734@... " wrote: > > Steve, > > I agree with you on this issue and we have discussed it many times. One of > the reasons that Paramedics get paid what we do is because we love what we > do and we will accept the position at that pay. First everyone needs to > agree there is a paramedic shortage. I have seen that debated many times. > Second we need to unite and and make our voices heard. Should we join a > union? How long will that take to prove that we are a force to be reckoned > with. I believe that would take many years to accomplish and get > recognized. There is the IAFF, however, there many goal seems to be taking > over EMS and minimum staffing on fire engines. Going through my posts, it > seems that this topic go little attention. > > I would like to hear more opinions on this topic because I believe there > really is a paramadic shortage. With that said, paramedics should be > commanding better pay. > > Larry D. > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. > Now includes pop-up blocker! > Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! > > > > --------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 There in lies the problem. Most of us are starving our families for a career that we love so much. McGee FIREFIGHTERTWR@... wrote: YOU GOT THAT RIGHT, IF THEY DON'T WATCH IT WILL FIND SOMEONE CHEAPER TO FEEL THERE SEATS... AND COMPANIES WILL FIND THEM SELVES HIRING CERTIFIED FIRST AID/CPR PERSONELS AS DRIVERS AND ATTENDANCE......MY FULL-TIME JOB (AS PLANT PROTECTION,EMS FIREFIGHTER) BELIEVES IN PAYING ME FOR WHAT I AM TRAINED FOR AND I WORK PART-TIME FOR AN AMBULANCE SERVICE AND IT DOES NOT PAY ANYTHING NEAR WHAT I MAKE HERE AT MY FULL-TIME JOB, SOMETHING IS WRONG HERE......SO NEEDLESS TO SAY I WORK EMS ON THE SIDE JUST FOR A HOBBY I GUESS..... I WOULD LOVE TO WORK IT FULL-TIME BUT MY FAMILY AND I WOULD STARVE TO DEATH.................. TERRY W.RICHARDSON,FF/EMT/PILOT Re: Paramedic Shortage " .............then they(companies and the government) will find someone else to do it cheaper. " Who? Hell, there is a shortage now......who are they gonna get for less money? There aren't THAT many vollies out there. magnetass sends Re: Paramedic Shortage > > Exactly. Why do plumbers and truck drivers make more then we do? Do they > go through more training? Do they earn more respect from the general > public? I think not, and by the way I am not picking on plumbers or truck > drivers, I was a long haul driver for 6 years, but the answer is that they > have stuck togather, collectivly and refused to work for less money. But > remember that is a double-edged sword. If we ask for too much more, then > they(companies and the government) will find someone else to do it > cheaper. We need to be united but fair, and remember the REAL reason we > chose this field in the first place. > > McGee > > " lwd7734@... " wrote: > > Steve, > > I agree with you on this issue and we have discussed it many times. One of > the reasons that Paramedics get paid what we do is because we love what we > do and we will accept the position at that pay. First everyone needs to > agree there is a paramedic shortage. I have seen that debated many times. > Second we need to unite and and make our voices heard. Should we join a > union? How long will that take to prove that we are a force to be reckoned > with. I believe that would take many years to accomplish and get > recognized. There is the IAFF, however, there many goal seems to be taking > over EMS and minimum staffing on fire engines. Going through my posts, it > seems that this topic go little attention. > > I would like to hear more opinions on this topic because I believe there > really is a paramadic shortage. With that said, paramedics should be > commanding better pay. > > Larry D. > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. > Now includes pop-up blocker! > Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! > > > > --------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 What they're referring to is the big air traffic controller strike during the Regan administration. Alot of them were given a choice: come back to work at a lower rate, or don't work at all, because their position was going to be filled regardless. Needless to say, alot of them went back to their original jobs at a substantially lower salary. -Alfonso R. Ochoa > AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS WERE EITHER FIRED OR THEY QUIT DUE TO POOR STRESS MANAGEMENT, WHERE DID THE GOVERNMENT THING COME FROM? > > TERRY W.RICHARDSON,FF/EMT/PILOT > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 , I understand where you are coming from. However, have you looked at the number of paramedics in the state of Texas? Not very many. Even if you add up all of the medics from ECA to LP.... it still isn't much. Especially when you think that in houston alone there are over 2 million in population. If the government or companies think we can be replaced.....I would LOVE to see them try. Obviously if we have jobs especially in a 911 system, we do have a duty. One I will not refuse to do. Also, I do recall why I chose this job. However, the whole world has changed since then. Life has become much more expensive to live. Our pay has not caught up to the cost of living. Why should medics have to work 2 or 3 jobs to have enough money to be broke? I am glad to see this issue finally getting some attention. I had kinda lost hope for a while. Steve Gann McGee wrote: Do you remember the strike they were in? Do you remember that the government ordered them back to work or be replaced and most didn't. McGee FIREFIGHTERTWR@... wrote: AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS WERE EITHER FIRED OR THEY QUIT DUE TO POOR STRESS MANAGEMENT, WHERE DID THE GOVERNMENT THING COME FROM? TERRY W.RICHARDSON,FF/EMT/PILOT " Re: Paramedic Shortage Think about what happened to the air traffic controlers, they thought the same way, and the government proved them wrong and they all ended up out of work. All I am saying, is let's not try to get rich overnight, but I strongly believe that we do need to unite (union maybe???) and be all on the same page. McGee Brown wrote: " .............then they(companies and the government) will find someone else to do it cheaper. " Who? Hell, there is a shortage now......who are they gonna get for less money? There aren't THAT many vollies out there. magnetass sends Re: Paramedic Shortage > > Exactly. Why do plumbers and truck drivers make more then we do? Do they > go through more training? Do they earn more respect from the general > public? I think not, and by the way I am not picking on plumbers or truck > drivers, I was a long haul driver for 6 years, but the answer is that they > have stuck togather, collectivly and refused to work for less money. But > remember that is a double-edged sword. If we ask for too much more, then > they(companies and the government) will find someone else to do it > cheaper. We need to be united but fair, and remember the REAL reason we > chose this field in the first place. > > McGee > > " lwd7734@... " wrote: > > Steve, > > I agree with you on this issue and we have discussed it many times. One of > the reasons that Paramedics get paid what we do is because we love what we > do and we will accept the position at that pay. First everyone needs to > agree there is a paramedic shortage. I have seen that debated many times. > Second we need to unite and and make our voices heard. Should we join a > union? How long will that take to prove that we are a force to be reckoned > with. I believe that would take many years to accomplish and get > recognized. There is the IAFF, however, there many goal seems to be taking > over EMS and minimum staffing on fire engines. Going through my posts, it > seems that this topic go little attention. > > I would like to hear more opinions on this topic because I believe there > really is a paramadic shortage. With that said, paramedics should be > commanding better pay. > > Larry D. > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. > Now includes pop-up blocker! > Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! > > > > --------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 , I understand where you are coming from. However, have you looked at the number of paramedics in the state of Texas? Not very many. Even if you add up all of the medics from ECA to LP.... it still isn't much. Especially when you think that in houston alone there are over 2 million in population. If the government or companies think we can be replaced.....I would LOVE to see them try. Obviously if we have jobs especially in a 911 system, we do have a duty. One I will not refuse to do. Also, I do recall why I chose this job. However, the whole world has changed since then. Life has become much more expensive to live. Our pay has not caught up to the cost of living. Why should medics have to work 2 or 3 jobs to have enough money to be broke? I am glad to see this issue finally getting some attention. I had kinda lost hope for a while. Steve Gann McGee wrote: Do you remember the strike they were in? Do you remember that the government ordered them back to work or be replaced and most didn't. McGee FIREFIGHTERTWR@... wrote: AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS WERE EITHER FIRED OR THEY QUIT DUE TO POOR STRESS MANAGEMENT, WHERE DID THE GOVERNMENT THING COME FROM? TERRY W.RICHARDSON,FF/EMT/PILOT " Re: Paramedic Shortage Think about what happened to the air traffic controlers, they thought the same way, and the government proved them wrong and they all ended up out of work. All I am saying, is let's not try to get rich overnight, but I strongly believe that we do need to unite (union maybe???) and be all on the same page. McGee Brown wrote: " .............then they(companies and the government) will find someone else to do it cheaper. " Who? Hell, there is a shortage now......who are they gonna get for less money? There aren't THAT many vollies out there. magnetass sends Re: Paramedic Shortage > > Exactly. Why do plumbers and truck drivers make more then we do? Do they > go through more training? Do they earn more respect from the general > public? I think not, and by the way I am not picking on plumbers or truck > drivers, I was a long haul driver for 6 years, but the answer is that they > have stuck togather, collectivly and refused to work for less money. But > remember that is a double-edged sword. If we ask for too much more, then > they(companies and the government) will find someone else to do it > cheaper. We need to be united but fair, and remember the REAL reason we > chose this field in the first place. > > McGee > > " lwd7734@... " wrote: > > Steve, > > I agree with you on this issue and we have discussed it many times. One of > the reasons that Paramedics get paid what we do is because we love what we > do and we will accept the position at that pay. First everyone needs to > agree there is a paramedic shortage. I have seen that debated many times. > Second we need to unite and and make our voices heard. Should we join a > union? How long will that take to prove that we are a force to be reckoned > with. I believe that would take many years to accomplish and get > recognized. There is the IAFF, however, there many goal seems to be taking > over EMS and minimum staffing on fire engines. Going through my posts, it > seems that this topic go little attention. > > I would like to hear more opinions on this topic because I believe there > really is a paramadic shortage. With that said, paramedics should be > commanding better pay. > > Larry D. > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. > Now includes pop-up blocker! > Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! > > > > --------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 , I understand where you are coming from. However, have you looked at the number of paramedics in the state of Texas? Not very many. Even if you add up all of the medics from ECA to LP.... it still isn't much. Especially when you think that in houston alone there are over 2 million in population. If the government or companies think we can be replaced.....I would LOVE to see them try. Obviously if we have jobs especially in a 911 system, we do have a duty. One I will not refuse to do. Also, I do recall why I chose this job. However, the whole world has changed since then. Life has become much more expensive to live. Our pay has not caught up to the cost of living. Why should medics have to work 2 or 3 jobs to have enough money to be broke? I am glad to see this issue finally getting some attention. I had kinda lost hope for a while. Steve Gann McGee wrote: Do you remember the strike they were in? Do you remember that the government ordered them back to work or be replaced and most didn't. McGee FIREFIGHTERTWR@... wrote: AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS WERE EITHER FIRED OR THEY QUIT DUE TO POOR STRESS MANAGEMENT, WHERE DID THE GOVERNMENT THING COME FROM? TERRY W.RICHARDSON,FF/EMT/PILOT " Re: Paramedic Shortage Think about what happened to the air traffic controlers, they thought the same way, and the government proved them wrong and they all ended up out of work. All I am saying, is let's not try to get rich overnight, but I strongly believe that we do need to unite (union maybe???) and be all on the same page. McGee Brown wrote: " .............then they(companies and the government) will find someone else to do it cheaper. " Who? Hell, there is a shortage now......who are they gonna get for less money? There aren't THAT many vollies out there. magnetass sends Re: Paramedic Shortage > > Exactly. Why do plumbers and truck drivers make more then we do? Do they > go through more training? Do they earn more respect from the general > public? I think not, and by the way I am not picking on plumbers or truck > drivers, I was a long haul driver for 6 years, but the answer is that they > have stuck togather, collectivly and refused to work for less money. But > remember that is a double-edged sword. If we ask for too much more, then > they(companies and the government) will find someone else to do it > cheaper. We need to be united but fair, and remember the REAL reason we > chose this field in the first place. > > McGee > > " lwd7734@... " wrote: > > Steve, > > I agree with you on this issue and we have discussed it many times. One of > the reasons that Paramedics get paid what we do is because we love what we > do and we will accept the position at that pay. First everyone needs to > agree there is a paramedic shortage. I have seen that debated many times. > Second we need to unite and and make our voices heard. Should we join a > union? How long will that take to prove that we are a force to be reckoned > with. I believe that would take many years to accomplish and get > recognized. There is the IAFF, however, there many goal seems to be taking > over EMS and minimum staffing on fire engines. Going through my posts, it > seems that this topic go little attention. > > I would like to hear more opinions on this topic because I believe there > really is a paramadic shortage. With that said, paramedics should be > commanding better pay. > > Larry D. > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. > Now includes pop-up blocker! > Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! > > > > --------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 WELL THATS MAKES SENSE, I HAVE ONLY BEEN A PILOT FOR ABOUT 5 YEARS NOW, AND NOW YOU MENTIONED THE REAGAN ADMIN, I REMEMBER THAT. THANKS FOR THE GREAT HISTORY REMINDER TERRY W.RICHARDSON,FF/EMT/PILOT Re: Paramedic Shortage What they're referring to is the big air traffic controller strike during the Regan administration. Alot of them were given a choice: come back to work at a lower rate, or don't work at all, because their position was going to be filled regardless. Needless to say, alot of them went back to their original jobs at a substantially lower salary. -Alfonso R. Ochoa > AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS WERE EITHER FIRED OR THEY QUIT DUE TO POOR STRESS MANAGEMENT, WHERE DID THE GOVERNMENT THING COME FROM? > > TERRY W.RICHARDSON,FF/EMT/PILOT > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 WELL THATS MAKES SENSE, I HAVE ONLY BEEN A PILOT FOR ABOUT 5 YEARS NOW, AND NOW YOU MENTIONED THE REAGAN ADMIN, I REMEMBER THAT. THANKS FOR THE GREAT HISTORY REMINDER TERRY W.RICHARDSON,FF/EMT/PILOT Re: Paramedic Shortage What they're referring to is the big air traffic controller strike during the Regan administration. Alot of them were given a choice: come back to work at a lower rate, or don't work at all, because their position was going to be filled regardless. Needless to say, alot of them went back to their original jobs at a substantially lower salary. -Alfonso R. Ochoa > AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS WERE EITHER FIRED OR THEY QUIT DUE TO POOR STRESS MANAGEMENT, WHERE DID THE GOVERNMENT THING COME FROM? > > TERRY W.RICHARDSON,FF/EMT/PILOT > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 WELL THATS MAKES SENSE, I HAVE ONLY BEEN A PILOT FOR ABOUT 5 YEARS NOW, AND NOW YOU MENTIONED THE REAGAN ADMIN, I REMEMBER THAT. THANKS FOR THE GREAT HISTORY REMINDER TERRY W.RICHARDSON,FF/EMT/PILOT Re: Paramedic Shortage What they're referring to is the big air traffic controller strike during the Regan administration. Alot of them were given a choice: come back to work at a lower rate, or don't work at all, because their position was going to be filled regardless. Needless to say, alot of them went back to their original jobs at a substantially lower salary. -Alfonso R. Ochoa > AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS WERE EITHER FIRED OR THEY QUIT DUE TO POOR STRESS MANAGEMENT, WHERE DID THE GOVERNMENT THING COME FROM? > > TERRY W.RICHARDSON,FF/EMT/PILOT > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 Thank you all for this health exchange, and thanks for the history lesson. I knew it happened, just couldn't remember when. I know, like the rest of us, we need to stick togather on this issue. Most issues in general, but we must on this issue if we are ever to get ahead of the curve. As a profession, we stick togather and help one another. On the flip side we should also be responsible for sanctioning or correcting each other when errors occur. McGee Steve Gann wrote: , I understand where you are coming from. However, have you looked at the number of paramedics in the state of Texas? Not very many. Even if you add up all of the medics from ECA to LP.... it still isn't much. Especially when you think that in houston alone there are over 2 million in population. If the government or companies think we can be replaced.....I would LOVE to see them try. Obviously if we have jobs especially in a 911 system, we do have a duty. One I will not refuse to do. Also, I do recall why I chose this job. However, the whole world has changed since then. Life has become much more expensive to live. Our pay has not caught up to the cost of living. Why should medics have to work 2 or 3 jobs to have enough money to be broke? I am glad to see this issue finally getting some attention. I had kinda lost hope for a while. Steve Gann McGee wrote: Do you remember the strike they were in? Do you remember that the government ordered them back to work or be replaced and most didn't. McGee FIREFIGHTERTWR@... wrote: AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS WERE EITHER FIRED OR THEY QUIT DUE TO POOR STRESS MANAGEMENT, WHERE DID THE GOVERNMENT THING COME FROM? TERRY W.RICHARDSON,FF/EMT/PILOT " Re: Paramedic Shortage Think about what happened to the air traffic controlers, they thought the same way, and the government proved them wrong and they all ended up out of work. All I am saying, is let's not try to get rich overnight, but I strongly believe that we do need to unite (union maybe???) and be all on the same page. McGee Brown wrote: " .............then they(companies and the government) will find someone else to do it cheaper. " Who? Hell, there is a shortage now......who are they gonna get for less money? There aren't THAT many vollies out there. magnetass sends Re: Paramedic Shortage > > Exactly. Why do plumbers and truck drivers make more then we do? Do they > go through more training? Do they earn more respect from the general > public? I think not, and by the way I am not picking on plumbers or truck > drivers, I was a long haul driver for 6 years, but the answer is that they > have stuck togather, collectivly and refused to work for less money. But > remember that is a double-edged sword. If we ask for too much more, then > they(companies and the government) will find someone else to do it > cheaper. We need to be united but fair, and remember the REAL reason we > chose this field in the first place. > > McGee > > " lwd7734@... " wrote: > > Steve, > > I agree with you on this issue and we have discussed it many times. One of > the reasons that Paramedics get paid what we do is because we love what we > do and we will accept the position at that pay. First everyone needs to > agree there is a paramedic shortage. I have seen that debated many times. > Second we need to unite and and make our voices heard. Should we join a > union? How long will that take to prove that we are a force to be reckoned > with. I believe that would take many years to accomplish and get > recognized. There is the IAFF, however, there many goal seems to be taking > over EMS and minimum staffing on fire engines. Going through my posts, it > seems that this topic go little attention. > > I would like to hear more opinions on this topic because I believe there > really is a paramadic shortage. With that said, paramedics should be > commanding better pay. > > Larry D. > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. > Now includes pop-up blocker! > Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! > > > > --------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 Thank you all for this health exchange, and thanks for the history lesson. I knew it happened, just couldn't remember when. I know, like the rest of us, we need to stick togather on this issue. Most issues in general, but we must on this issue if we are ever to get ahead of the curve. As a profession, we stick togather and help one another. On the flip side we should also be responsible for sanctioning or correcting each other when errors occur. McGee Steve Gann wrote: , I understand where you are coming from. However, have you looked at the number of paramedics in the state of Texas? Not very many. Even if you add up all of the medics from ECA to LP.... it still isn't much. Especially when you think that in houston alone there are over 2 million in population. If the government or companies think we can be replaced.....I would LOVE to see them try. Obviously if we have jobs especially in a 911 system, we do have a duty. One I will not refuse to do. Also, I do recall why I chose this job. However, the whole world has changed since then. Life has become much more expensive to live. Our pay has not caught up to the cost of living. Why should medics have to work 2 or 3 jobs to have enough money to be broke? I am glad to see this issue finally getting some attention. I had kinda lost hope for a while. Steve Gann McGee wrote: Do you remember the strike they were in? Do you remember that the government ordered them back to work or be replaced and most didn't. McGee FIREFIGHTERTWR@... wrote: AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS WERE EITHER FIRED OR THEY QUIT DUE TO POOR STRESS MANAGEMENT, WHERE DID THE GOVERNMENT THING COME FROM? TERRY W.RICHARDSON,FF/EMT/PILOT " Re: Paramedic Shortage Think about what happened to the air traffic controlers, they thought the same way, and the government proved them wrong and they all ended up out of work. All I am saying, is let's not try to get rich overnight, but I strongly believe that we do need to unite (union maybe???) and be all on the same page. McGee Brown wrote: " .............then they(companies and the government) will find someone else to do it cheaper. " Who? Hell, there is a shortage now......who are they gonna get for less money? There aren't THAT many vollies out there. magnetass sends Re: Paramedic Shortage > > Exactly. Why do plumbers and truck drivers make more then we do? Do they > go through more training? Do they earn more respect from the general > public? I think not, and by the way I am not picking on plumbers or truck > drivers, I was a long haul driver for 6 years, but the answer is that they > have stuck togather, collectivly and refused to work for less money. But > remember that is a double-edged sword. If we ask for too much more, then > they(companies and the government) will find someone else to do it > cheaper. We need to be united but fair, and remember the REAL reason we > chose this field in the first place. > > McGee > > " lwd7734@... " wrote: > > Steve, > > I agree with you on this issue and we have discussed it many times. One of > the reasons that Paramedics get paid what we do is because we love what we > do and we will accept the position at that pay. First everyone needs to > agree there is a paramedic shortage. I have seen that debated many times. > Second we need to unite and and make our voices heard. Should we join a > union? How long will that take to prove that we are a force to be reckoned > with. I believe that would take many years to accomplish and get > recognized. There is the IAFF, however, there many goal seems to be taking > over EMS and minimum staffing on fire engines. Going through my posts, it > seems that this topic go little attention. > > I would like to hear more opinions on this topic because I believe there > really is a paramadic shortage. With that said, paramedics should be > commanding better pay. > > Larry D. > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. > Now includes pop-up blocker! > Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! > > > > --------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 Thank you all for this health exchange, and thanks for the history lesson. I knew it happened, just couldn't remember when. I know, like the rest of us, we need to stick togather on this issue. Most issues in general, but we must on this issue if we are ever to get ahead of the curve. As a profession, we stick togather and help one another. On the flip side we should also be responsible for sanctioning or correcting each other when errors occur. McGee Steve Gann wrote: , I understand where you are coming from. However, have you looked at the number of paramedics in the state of Texas? Not very many. Even if you add up all of the medics from ECA to LP.... it still isn't much. Especially when you think that in houston alone there are over 2 million in population. If the government or companies think we can be replaced.....I would LOVE to see them try. Obviously if we have jobs especially in a 911 system, we do have a duty. One I will not refuse to do. Also, I do recall why I chose this job. However, the whole world has changed since then. Life has become much more expensive to live. Our pay has not caught up to the cost of living. Why should medics have to work 2 or 3 jobs to have enough money to be broke? I am glad to see this issue finally getting some attention. I had kinda lost hope for a while. Steve Gann McGee wrote: Do you remember the strike they were in? Do you remember that the government ordered them back to work or be replaced and most didn't. McGee FIREFIGHTERTWR@... wrote: AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS WERE EITHER FIRED OR THEY QUIT DUE TO POOR STRESS MANAGEMENT, WHERE DID THE GOVERNMENT THING COME FROM? TERRY W.RICHARDSON,FF/EMT/PILOT " Re: Paramedic Shortage Think about what happened to the air traffic controlers, they thought the same way, and the government proved them wrong and they all ended up out of work. All I am saying, is let's not try to get rich overnight, but I strongly believe that we do need to unite (union maybe???) and be all on the same page. McGee Brown wrote: " .............then they(companies and the government) will find someone else to do it cheaper. " Who? Hell, there is a shortage now......who are they gonna get for less money? There aren't THAT many vollies out there. magnetass sends Re: Paramedic Shortage > > Exactly. Why do plumbers and truck drivers make more then we do? Do they > go through more training? Do they earn more respect from the general > public? I think not, and by the way I am not picking on plumbers or truck > drivers, I was a long haul driver for 6 years, but the answer is that they > have stuck togather, collectivly and refused to work for less money. But > remember that is a double-edged sword. If we ask for too much more, then > they(companies and the government) will find someone else to do it > cheaper. We need to be united but fair, and remember the REAL reason we > chose this field in the first place. > > McGee > > " lwd7734@... " wrote: > > Steve, > > I agree with you on this issue and we have discussed it many times. One of > the reasons that Paramedics get paid what we do is because we love what we > do and we will accept the position at that pay. First everyone needs to > agree there is a paramedic shortage. I have seen that debated many times. > Second we need to unite and and make our voices heard. Should we join a > union? How long will that take to prove that we are a force to be reckoned > with. I believe that would take many years to accomplish and get > recognized. There is the IAFF, however, there many goal seems to be taking > over EMS and minimum staffing on fire engines. Going through my posts, it > seems that this topic go little attention. > > I would like to hear more opinions on this topic because I believe there > really is a paramadic shortage. With that said, paramedics should be > commanding better pay. > > Larry D. > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. > Now includes pop-up blocker! > Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! > > > > --------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Even though I work for I fire department, I feel comfortable saying that there are many FD's without EMS trying their hardest to get their hands on the business. They have already proven that they can handle emergencies and they are already established. Larry D. ___________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Even though I work for I fire department, I feel comfortable saying that there are many FD's without EMS trying their hardest to get their hands on the business. They have already proven that they can handle emergencies and they are already established. Larry D. ___________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Even though I work for I fire department, I feel comfortable saying that there are many FD's without EMS trying their hardest to get their hands on the business. They have already proven that they can handle emergencies and they are already established. Larry D. ___________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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