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The two most lied about professions for emergency patients.

ED Clerk: " What is your occupation? "

Chiropractor: " Health care, sort of. "

Lawyer: " Landscaping "

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Most doctors will treat the lawyers who get them out of their speeding

tickets, handle their divorces and try to save their fortunes for them when

their

wife comes home early on Wednesday afternoon and catches them in bed with

Nurse

Barbie, and who set up their corporations for them and show them how to hide

their assets in Grand Cayman.

GG

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In a message dated 7/24/2004 8:48:30 AM Central Daylight Time,

donnie7435@... writes:

Now a days you aren't treating the patient, you are treating the lawyers....

God I hope not! Besides some in the AMA say that DR's should not treat

lawyers anyway right?

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

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The two most lied about professions for emergency patients.

ED Clerk: " What is your occupation? "

Chiropractor: " Health care, sort of. "

Lawyer: " Landscaping "

Re: DNR Again

Most doctors will treat the lawyers who get them out of their speeding

tickets, handle their divorces and try to save their fortunes for them when

their

wife comes home early on Wednesday afternoon and catches them in bed with

Nurse

Barbie, and who set up their corporations for them and show them how to hide

their assets in Grand Cayman.

GG

In a message dated 7/24/2004 1:29:07 PM Central Daylight Time,

lnmolino@... writes:

In a message dated 7/24/2004 8:48:30 AM Central Daylight Time,

donnie7435@... writes:

Now a days you aren't treating the patient, you are treating the lawyers....

God I hope not! Besides some in the AMA say that DR's should not treat

lawyers anyway right?

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Home Office)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the

author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization

that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only

for its

stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by

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Ralph,

If you'll go and read the statute you'll see that this is intertwined with

the parts that allow patient surrogates to make DNR decisions for the patient if

the patient cannot. That part also empowers those surrogates to revoke. So

it's actually in the law.

The lawmakers and legal profession are quite reluctant to enact an ironclad

provision because of the myriad types of interference and manipulations that

can conceivably allow someone with bad or criminal motives to engineer the death

of somebody.

The problems are compounded when decisions must be made on the spur of the

moment. In another post that I made just a few minutes ago I quoted the ACLS

Textbook on this subject.

GG

In a message dated 7/25/2004 7:12:43 PM Central Daylight Time,

rbr@... writes:

Gene,

Thanks for the answer. That’s what I thought, but as I understand the intent

when this was discussed in the legislature, it was to be a vehicle for people

who did not want to be resuscitated to be able to let us to let them die in

peace. Now we have dissected the wording to mean do what the family wants.

Doesn’t this defeat the original intent of the law?

Ralph , LP

wegandy1938@... wrote:

Ralph,

Great question. I interpret the law to say " yes. " There have been no court

decisions on that subject, so any answer that I give is presumptive, but on

the theory of always working the code when in doubt, I would say work it to

be safe.

Now, I'll twist your mind a little bit. Let's say that there are a son and

a daughter present who are both adults and one of them wants her worked and

the other one does not. What then?

GG

In a message dated 7/23/2004 8:06:28 AM Central Daylight Time,

rbr@... writes:

Gene,

Does this mean that if granny has a cardiac arrest with a DNR on hand, that

her son can revoke it because she is no longer possess " present legal

capacity " and is not legally mentally competent?

Ralph , LP

wegandy1938@... wrote:

I'll try to guide y'all through an analysis of this. Scroll down.

Gene G.

In a message dated 7/22/2004 2:50:31 PM Central Daylight Time,

supervisor@... writes:

I've sent this out before, but received very little input other than a few

opinions. Does anyone have any factual info?

If a person signs a DNR while they are competent and able to make reasonable

and informed decisions about their healthcare, can a family member or POA

revoke or rescind that DNR later in the person's life when they are deemed

to be incompetent or unable to decide for themselves?

Go to this site and look at the form, and it will explain the procedures

clearly.

http://www.tdh.state.tx.us/hcqs/ems/dnr.pdf

The patient may execute the DNR at a time when he is mentally competent (an

incorrect term--the patient must possess " present legal capacity " as well as

being legally mentally competent. Loose language has been an ongoing problem

with these issues).

If the patient is lacks the capacity to execute the DNR, it may be executed

by anyone who has the legal right to make such a determination under the

law,

which is found in the Texas Family Code for Texas patients.

If there are no patient surrogates available or they do not want to act, two

physicians may execute the document.

The DNR may be revoked by ANY of the persons qualified to execute it.

Therefore, it a patient has executed a DNR at a time when he had present

mental

capacity and legal competence, but later becomes incompetent, any of the

surrogates may revoke it. This is spelled out in detail on the back of the

official

DNR form.

Best,

GG

Bullard BS, LP

Training Coordinator

Lubbock Aid Ambulance

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Ralph,

If you'll go and read the statute you'll see that this is intertwined with

the parts that allow patient surrogates to make DNR decisions for the patient if

the patient cannot. That part also empowers those surrogates to revoke. So

it's actually in the law.

The lawmakers and legal profession are quite reluctant to enact an ironclad

provision because of the myriad types of interference and manipulations that

can conceivably allow someone with bad or criminal motives to engineer the death

of somebody.

The problems are compounded when decisions must be made on the spur of the

moment. In another post that I made just a few minutes ago I quoted the ACLS

Textbook on this subject.

GG

In a message dated 7/25/2004 7:12:43 PM Central Daylight Time,

rbr@... writes:

Gene,

Thanks for the answer. That’s what I thought, but as I understand the intent

when this was discussed in the legislature, it was to be a vehicle for people

who did not want to be resuscitated to be able to let us to let them die in

peace. Now we have dissected the wording to mean do what the family wants.

Doesn’t this defeat the original intent of the law?

Ralph , LP

wegandy1938@... wrote:

Ralph,

Great question. I interpret the law to say " yes. " There have been no court

decisions on that subject, so any answer that I give is presumptive, but on

the theory of always working the code when in doubt, I would say work it to

be safe.

Now, I'll twist your mind a little bit. Let's say that there are a son and

a daughter present who are both adults and one of them wants her worked and

the other one does not. What then?

GG

In a message dated 7/23/2004 8:06:28 AM Central Daylight Time,

rbr@... writes:

Gene,

Does this mean that if granny has a cardiac arrest with a DNR on hand, that

her son can revoke it because she is no longer possess " present legal

capacity " and is not legally mentally competent?

Ralph , LP

wegandy1938@... wrote:

I'll try to guide y'all through an analysis of this. Scroll down.

Gene G.

In a message dated 7/22/2004 2:50:31 PM Central Daylight Time,

supervisor@... writes:

I've sent this out before, but received very little input other than a few

opinions. Does anyone have any factual info?

If a person signs a DNR while they are competent and able to make reasonable

and informed decisions about their healthcare, can a family member or POA

revoke or rescind that DNR later in the person's life when they are deemed

to be incompetent or unable to decide for themselves?

Go to this site and look at the form, and it will explain the procedures

clearly.

http://www.tdh.state.tx.us/hcqs/ems/dnr.pdf

The patient may execute the DNR at a time when he is mentally competent (an

incorrect term--the patient must possess " present legal capacity " as well as

being legally mentally competent. Loose language has been an ongoing problem

with these issues).

If the patient is lacks the capacity to execute the DNR, it may be executed

by anyone who has the legal right to make such a determination under the

law,

which is found in the Texas Family Code for Texas patients.

If there are no patient surrogates available or they do not want to act, two

physicians may execute the document.

The DNR may be revoked by ANY of the persons qualified to execute it.

Therefore, it a patient has executed a DNR at a time when he had present

mental

capacity and legal competence, but later becomes incompetent, any of the

surrogates may revoke it. This is spelled out in detail on the back of the

official

DNR form.

Best,

GG

Bullard BS, LP

Training Coordinator

Lubbock Aid Ambulance

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Ralph,

If you'll go and read the statute you'll see that this is intertwined with

the parts that allow patient surrogates to make DNR decisions for the patient if

the patient cannot. That part also empowers those surrogates to revoke. So

it's actually in the law.

The lawmakers and legal profession are quite reluctant to enact an ironclad

provision because of the myriad types of interference and manipulations that

can conceivably allow someone with bad or criminal motives to engineer the death

of somebody.

The problems are compounded when decisions must be made on the spur of the

moment. In another post that I made just a few minutes ago I quoted the ACLS

Textbook on this subject.

GG

In a message dated 7/25/2004 7:12:43 PM Central Daylight Time,

rbr@... writes:

Gene,

Thanks for the answer. That’s what I thought, but as I understand the intent

when this was discussed in the legislature, it was to be a vehicle for people

who did not want to be resuscitated to be able to let us to let them die in

peace. Now we have dissected the wording to mean do what the family wants.

Doesn’t this defeat the original intent of the law?

Ralph , LP

wegandy1938@... wrote:

Ralph,

Great question. I interpret the law to say " yes. " There have been no court

decisions on that subject, so any answer that I give is presumptive, but on

the theory of always working the code when in doubt, I would say work it to

be safe.

Now, I'll twist your mind a little bit. Let's say that there are a son and

a daughter present who are both adults and one of them wants her worked and

the other one does not. What then?

GG

In a message dated 7/23/2004 8:06:28 AM Central Daylight Time,

rbr@... writes:

Gene,

Does this mean that if granny has a cardiac arrest with a DNR on hand, that

her son can revoke it because she is no longer possess " present legal

capacity " and is not legally mentally competent?

Ralph , LP

wegandy1938@... wrote:

I'll try to guide y'all through an analysis of this. Scroll down.

Gene G.

In a message dated 7/22/2004 2:50:31 PM Central Daylight Time,

supervisor@... writes:

I've sent this out before, but received very little input other than a few

opinions. Does anyone have any factual info?

If a person signs a DNR while they are competent and able to make reasonable

and informed decisions about their healthcare, can a family member or POA

revoke or rescind that DNR later in the person's life when they are deemed

to be incompetent or unable to decide for themselves?

Go to this site and look at the form, and it will explain the procedures

clearly.

http://www.tdh.state.tx.us/hcqs/ems/dnr.pdf

The patient may execute the DNR at a time when he is mentally competent (an

incorrect term--the patient must possess " present legal capacity " as well as

being legally mentally competent. Loose language has been an ongoing problem

with these issues).

If the patient is lacks the capacity to execute the DNR, it may be executed

by anyone who has the legal right to make such a determination under the

law,

which is found in the Texas Family Code for Texas patients.

If there are no patient surrogates available or they do not want to act, two

physicians may execute the document.

The DNR may be revoked by ANY of the persons qualified to execute it.

Therefore, it a patient has executed a DNR at a time when he had present

mental

capacity and legal competence, but later becomes incompetent, any of the

surrogates may revoke it. This is spelled out in detail on the back of the

official

DNR form.

Best,

GG

Bullard BS, LP

Training Coordinator

Lubbock Aid Ambulance

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Gene,

Thanks for the answer. That’s what I thought, but as I understand the intent

when this was discussed in the legislature, it was to be a vehicle for people

who did not want to be resuscitated to be able to let us to let them die in

peace. Now we have dissected the wording to mean do what the family wants.

Doesn’t this defeat the original intent of the law?

Ralph , LP

wegandy1938@... wrote:

Ralph,

Great question. I interpret the law to say " yes. " There have been no court

decisions on that subject, so any answer that I give is presumptive, but on

the theory of always working the code when in doubt, I would say work it to

be safe.

Now, I'll twist your mind a little bit. Let's say that there are a son and

a daughter present who are both adults and one of them wants her worked and

the other one does not. What then?

GG

In a message dated 7/23/2004 8:06:28 AM Central Daylight Time,

rbr@... writes:

Gene,

Does this mean that if granny has a cardiac arrest with a DNR on hand, that

her son can revoke it because she is no longer possess " present legal

capacity " and is not legally mentally competent?

Ralph , LP

wegandy1938@... wrote:

I'll try to guide y'all through an analysis of this. Scroll down.

Gene G.

In a message dated 7/22/2004 2:50:31 PM Central Daylight Time,

supervisor@... writes:

I've sent this out before, but received very little input other than a few

opinions. Does anyone have any factual info?

If a person signs a DNR while they are competent and able to make reasonable

and informed decisions about their healthcare, can a family member or POA

revoke or rescind that DNR later in the person's life when they are deemed

to be incompetent or unable to decide for themselves?

Go to this site and look at the form, and it will explain the procedures

clearly.

http://www.tdh.state.tx.us/hcqs/ems/dnr.pdf

The patient may execute the DNR at a time when he is mentally competent (an

incorrect term--the patient must possess " present legal capacity " as well as

being legally mentally competent. Loose language has been an ongoing problem

with these issues).

If the patient is lacks the capacity to execute the DNR, it may be executed

by anyone who has the legal right to make such a determination under the

law,

which is found in the Texas Family Code for Texas patients.

If there are no patient surrogates available or they do not want to act, two

physicians may execute the document.

The DNR may be revoked by ANY of the persons qualified to execute it.

Therefore, it a patient has executed a DNR at a time when he had present

mental

capacity and legal competence, but later becomes incompetent, any of the

surrogates may revoke it. This is spelled out in detail on the back of the

official

DNR form.

Best,

GG

Bullard BS, LP

Training Coordinator

Lubbock Aid Ambulance

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Gene,

Thanks for the answer. That’s what I thought, but as I understand the intent

when this was discussed in the legislature, it was to be a vehicle for people

who did not want to be resuscitated to be able to let us to let them die in

peace. Now we have dissected the wording to mean do what the family wants.

Doesn’t this defeat the original intent of the law?

Ralph , LP

wegandy1938@... wrote:

Ralph,

Great question. I interpret the law to say " yes. " There have been no court

decisions on that subject, so any answer that I give is presumptive, but on

the theory of always working the code when in doubt, I would say work it to

be safe.

Now, I'll twist your mind a little bit. Let's say that there are a son and

a daughter present who are both adults and one of them wants her worked and

the other one does not. What then?

GG

In a message dated 7/23/2004 8:06:28 AM Central Daylight Time,

rbr@... writes:

Gene,

Does this mean that if granny has a cardiac arrest with a DNR on hand, that

her son can revoke it because she is no longer possess " present legal

capacity " and is not legally mentally competent?

Ralph , LP

wegandy1938@... wrote:

I'll try to guide y'all through an analysis of this. Scroll down.

Gene G.

In a message dated 7/22/2004 2:50:31 PM Central Daylight Time,

supervisor@... writes:

I've sent this out before, but received very little input other than a few

opinions. Does anyone have any factual info?

If a person signs a DNR while they are competent and able to make reasonable

and informed decisions about their healthcare, can a family member or POA

revoke or rescind that DNR later in the person's life when they are deemed

to be incompetent or unable to decide for themselves?

Go to this site and look at the form, and it will explain the procedures

clearly.

http://www.tdh.state.tx.us/hcqs/ems/dnr.pdf

The patient may execute the DNR at a time when he is mentally competent (an

incorrect term--the patient must possess " present legal capacity " as well as

being legally mentally competent. Loose language has been an ongoing problem

with these issues).

If the patient is lacks the capacity to execute the DNR, it may be executed

by anyone who has the legal right to make such a determination under the

law,

which is found in the Texas Family Code for Texas patients.

If there are no patient surrogates available or they do not want to act, two

physicians may execute the document.

The DNR may be revoked by ANY of the persons qualified to execute it.

Therefore, it a patient has executed a DNR at a time when he had present

mental

capacity and legal competence, but later becomes incompetent, any of the

surrogates may revoke it. This is spelled out in detail on the back of the

official

DNR form.

Best,

GG

Bullard BS, LP

Training Coordinator

Lubbock Aid Ambulance

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Gene,

Thanks for the answer. That’s what I thought, but as I understand the intent

when this was discussed in the legislature, it was to be a vehicle for people

who did not want to be resuscitated to be able to let us to let them die in

peace. Now we have dissected the wording to mean do what the family wants.

Doesn’t this defeat the original intent of the law?

Ralph , LP

wegandy1938@... wrote:

Ralph,

Great question. I interpret the law to say " yes. " There have been no court

decisions on that subject, so any answer that I give is presumptive, but on

the theory of always working the code when in doubt, I would say work it to

be safe.

Now, I'll twist your mind a little bit. Let's say that there are a son and

a daughter present who are both adults and one of them wants her worked and

the other one does not. What then?

GG

In a message dated 7/23/2004 8:06:28 AM Central Daylight Time,

rbr@... writes:

Gene,

Does this mean that if granny has a cardiac arrest with a DNR on hand, that

her son can revoke it because she is no longer possess " present legal

capacity " and is not legally mentally competent?

Ralph , LP

wegandy1938@... wrote:

I'll try to guide y'all through an analysis of this. Scroll down.

Gene G.

In a message dated 7/22/2004 2:50:31 PM Central Daylight Time,

supervisor@... writes:

I've sent this out before, but received very little input other than a few

opinions. Does anyone have any factual info?

If a person signs a DNR while they are competent and able to make reasonable

and informed decisions about their healthcare, can a family member or POA

revoke or rescind that DNR later in the person's life when they are deemed

to be incompetent or unable to decide for themselves?

Go to this site and look at the form, and it will explain the procedures

clearly.

http://www.tdh.state.tx.us/hcqs/ems/dnr.pdf

The patient may execute the DNR at a time when he is mentally competent (an

incorrect term--the patient must possess " present legal capacity " as well as

being legally mentally competent. Loose language has been an ongoing problem

with these issues).

If the patient is lacks the capacity to execute the DNR, it may be executed

by anyone who has the legal right to make such a determination under the

law,

which is found in the Texas Family Code for Texas patients.

If there are no patient surrogates available or they do not want to act, two

physicians may execute the document.

The DNR may be revoked by ANY of the persons qualified to execute it.

Therefore, it a patient has executed a DNR at a time when he had present

mental

capacity and legal competence, but later becomes incompetent, any of the

surrogates may revoke it. This is spelled out in detail on the back of the

official

DNR form.

Best,

GG

Bullard BS, LP

Training Coordinator

Lubbock Aid Ambulance

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How many personal injury attorneys does it take to change a light bulb?

Four--one to turn the bulb, one to shake him off the ladder, the third to

sue the ladder company, the fourth to sue the paramedics called to the

scene.

Or

Did you hear about the lawyer hurt in an accident?

An ambulance stopped suddenly.

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In a message dated 7/24/2004 3:24:08 PM Central Standard Time,

wegandy1938@... writes:

Most doctors will treat the lawyers who get them out of their speeding

tickets, handle their divorces and try to save their fortunes for them when

their wife comes home early on Wednesday afternoon and catches them in bed

with Nurse Barbie, and who set up their corporations for them and show them

how to hide their assets in Grand Cayman.

I was hoping that young barrister Wes was going to do all of the above for

me but no he goes and gets a REAL JOB with the State no less!

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Home Office)

(Cell Phone)

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How many personal injury attorneys does it take to change a light bulb?

Four--one to turn the bulb, one to shake him off the ladder, the third to

sue the ladder company, the fourth to sue the paramedics called to the

scene.

Or

Did you hear about the lawyer hurt in an accident?

An ambulance stopped suddenly.

Re: DNR Again

In a message dated 7/24/2004 3:24:08 PM Central Standard Time,

wegandy1938@... writes:

Most doctors will treat the lawyers who get them out of their speeding

tickets, handle their divorces and try to save their fortunes for them when

their wife comes home early on Wednesday afternoon and catches them in bed

with Nurse Barbie, and who set up their corporations for them and show them

how to hide their assets in Grand Cayman.

I was hoping that young barrister Wes was going to do all of the above for

me but no he goes and gets a REAL JOB with the State no less!

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Home Office)

(Cell Phone)

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Just thought this side note might interest some. . .

Brief Communication: The Relationship between Having a Living Will and Dying in

Place

B. Degenholtz, PhD; YongJoo Rhee, MPH, PhD; and M. Arnold, MD

20 July 2004 | Volume 141 Issue 2| Pages 113-117

Background: Living wills, a type of advance directive, are promoted as a way for

patients to document preferences for life-sustaining treatments should they

become incompetent. Previous research, however, has found that these documents

do not guide decision making in the hospital.

Objective: To test the hypothesis that people with living wills are less likely

to die in a hospital than in their residence before death.

Design: Secondary analysis of data from a nationally representative longitudinal

study.

Setting: Publicly available data from the Asset and Health Dynamics Among the

Oldest Old (AHEAD) study.

Patients: People older than 70 years of age living in the community in 1993 who

died between 1993 and 1995.

Measurements: Self-report and proxy informant interviews conducted in 1993 and

1995.

Results: Having a living will was associated with lower probability of dying in

a hospital for nursing home residents and people living in the community. For

people living in the community, the probability of in-hospital death decreased

from 0.65 (95% CI, 0.58 to 0.71) to 0.52 (CI, 0.42 to 0.62). For people living

in nursing homes, the probability of in-hospital death decreased from 0.35 (CI,

0.23 to 0.49) to 0.13 (CI, 0.07 to 0.22).

Limitations: Retrospective survey data do not contain detailed clinical

information on whether the living will was consulted.

Conclusion: Living wills are associated with dying in place rather than in a

hospital. This implies that previous research examining only people who died in

a hospital suffers from selection bias. During advance care planning, physicians

should discuss patients' preferences for location of death.

Complete text here: http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/full/141/2/113

Rick LaChance, UTSWMC

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Just thought this side note might interest some. . .

Brief Communication: The Relationship between Having a Living Will and Dying in

Place

B. Degenholtz, PhD; YongJoo Rhee, MPH, PhD; and M. Arnold, MD

20 July 2004 | Volume 141 Issue 2| Pages 113-117

Background: Living wills, a type of advance directive, are promoted as a way for

patients to document preferences for life-sustaining treatments should they

become incompetent. Previous research, however, has found that these documents

do not guide decision making in the hospital.

Objective: To test the hypothesis that people with living wills are less likely

to die in a hospital than in their residence before death.

Design: Secondary analysis of data from a nationally representative longitudinal

study.

Setting: Publicly available data from the Asset and Health Dynamics Among the

Oldest Old (AHEAD) study.

Patients: People older than 70 years of age living in the community in 1993 who

died between 1993 and 1995.

Measurements: Self-report and proxy informant interviews conducted in 1993 and

1995.

Results: Having a living will was associated with lower probability of dying in

a hospital for nursing home residents and people living in the community. For

people living in the community, the probability of in-hospital death decreased

from 0.65 (95% CI, 0.58 to 0.71) to 0.52 (CI, 0.42 to 0.62). For people living

in nursing homes, the probability of in-hospital death decreased from 0.35 (CI,

0.23 to 0.49) to 0.13 (CI, 0.07 to 0.22).

Limitations: Retrospective survey data do not contain detailed clinical

information on whether the living will was consulted.

Conclusion: Living wills are associated with dying in place rather than in a

hospital. This implies that previous research examining only people who died in

a hospital suffers from selection bias. During advance care planning, physicians

should discuss patients' preferences for location of death.

Complete text here: http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/full/141/2/113

Rick LaChance, UTSWMC

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Just thought this side note might interest some. . .

Brief Communication: The Relationship between Having a Living Will and Dying in

Place

B. Degenholtz, PhD; YongJoo Rhee, MPH, PhD; and M. Arnold, MD

20 July 2004 | Volume 141 Issue 2| Pages 113-117

Background: Living wills, a type of advance directive, are promoted as a way for

patients to document preferences for life-sustaining treatments should they

become incompetent. Previous research, however, has found that these documents

do not guide decision making in the hospital.

Objective: To test the hypothesis that people with living wills are less likely

to die in a hospital than in their residence before death.

Design: Secondary analysis of data from a nationally representative longitudinal

study.

Setting: Publicly available data from the Asset and Health Dynamics Among the

Oldest Old (AHEAD) study.

Patients: People older than 70 years of age living in the community in 1993 who

died between 1993 and 1995.

Measurements: Self-report and proxy informant interviews conducted in 1993 and

1995.

Results: Having a living will was associated with lower probability of dying in

a hospital for nursing home residents and people living in the community. For

people living in the community, the probability of in-hospital death decreased

from 0.65 (95% CI, 0.58 to 0.71) to 0.52 (CI, 0.42 to 0.62). For people living

in nursing homes, the probability of in-hospital death decreased from 0.35 (CI,

0.23 to 0.49) to 0.13 (CI, 0.07 to 0.22).

Limitations: Retrospective survey data do not contain detailed clinical

information on whether the living will was consulted.

Conclusion: Living wills are associated with dying in place rather than in a

hospital. This implies that previous research examining only people who died in

a hospital suffers from selection bias. During advance care planning, physicians

should discuss patients' preferences for location of death.

Complete text here: http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/full/141/2/113

Rick LaChance, UTSWMC

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