RE: Re: Scope of Practice Questions

[Guest guest]

the LP does require college but when it started in '99 it was just 60

hrs of college with 16 hrs of " core curriculum courses " and they did not

have to be

in EMS or even anything vaguely related to the medical field ( I got

mine with an almost completed degree in fire protection technology).

Now, of course, you have to have a degree in EMS

B. , AAS, LP

Baylor Regional Medical Center at Grapevine

EMS Educator

Baylor EMS Medical Control

1601 Lancaster Drive Suite #10

Grapevine, Tx 76051-3300

Office

Direct Line

Fax

Cell

Pager

Re: Scope of Practice Questions

Well said .

-aro

> Sorry I haven't been around to respond to all of the fear-mongering

that has

> taken place.

>

> Someone made a comment, and it really represents the crux of the

argument

> from my perspective. They said, " Why go to a 4 year degree whebn I

can take

> a S.L.A.M. (steet level airway maintenance) course and get the same

> knowledge and skill. "

>

> I have heard people refer to themselves as " professionals " several

> times while this issue was being discussed. It seems that we want to

> be considered professionals, but on the other hand, we don't want to

> do the things that professionals do. Namely, we don't want to require

education

> instead of " training " . Right now, EMS is NOT a profession. It is a

> vocation. There have been many arguments about the effect that this

would

> have on rural EMS, essentially saying that instituting real

> professional standards would have a detrimental effect on their

> ability to continue providing the level of care that they require. I

> am not

unsympathetic to

> this (even though I believe some of the claims have been

exaggerated), but I

> think the problem is circular. There is no incentive for the county

> commissioners to fork over more money as long as rural systems

continue to

> scrape by. Rural systems will continue to suffer shortages of

> qualified people because there is no money. And the cycle continues.

>

> I am also beginning to question how much we really value education. Of

> course, everyone says they are in favor of it. Yet the comments

always go

> something like this, " I am all for more education, BUT... " , " I am not

> against more education, BUT " . Everybody thinks it's a great idea as

long as

> they don't have to put their money where their mouth is, and there

is always

> some caveat. And then you see comments like the one I quoted above.

When

> you have EMSAT opposing anything that requires even an Associate

degree for

> future Paramedics, we need to quit expecting salaries comparable to

RN's and

> RT's and just be happy with our Wal-Mart Associate wage.

>

> - Lancaster

[Guest guest]

the LP does require college but when it started in '99 it was just 60

hrs of college with 16 hrs of " core curriculum courses " and they did not

have to be

in EMS or even anything vaguely related to the medical field ( I got

mine with an almost completed degree in fire protection technology).

Now, of course, you have to have a degree in EMS

B. , AAS, LP

Baylor Regional Medical Center at Grapevine

EMS Educator

Baylor EMS Medical Control

1601 Lancaster Drive Suite #10

Grapevine, Tx 76051-3300

Office

Direct Line

Fax

Cell

Pager

Re: Scope of Practice Questions

Well said .

-aro

> Sorry I haven't been around to respond to all of the fear-mongering

that has

> taken place.

>

> Someone made a comment, and it really represents the crux of the

argument

> from my perspective. They said, " Why go to a 4 year degree whebn I

can take

> a S.L.A.M. (steet level airway maintenance) course and get the same

> knowledge and skill. "

>

> I have heard people refer to themselves as " professionals " several

> times while this issue was being discussed. It seems that we want to

> be considered professionals, but on the other hand, we don't want to

> do the things that professionals do. Namely, we don't want to require

education

> instead of " training " . Right now, EMS is NOT a profession. It is a

> vocation. There have been many arguments about the effect that this

would

> have on rural EMS, essentially saying that instituting real

> professional standards would have a detrimental effect on their

> ability to continue providing the level of care that they require. I

> am not

unsympathetic to

> this (even though I believe some of the claims have been

exaggerated), but I

> think the problem is circular. There is no incentive for the county

> commissioners to fork over more money as long as rural systems

continue to

> scrape by. Rural systems will continue to suffer shortages of

> qualified people because there is no money. And the cycle continues.

>

> I am also beginning to question how much we really value education. Of

> course, everyone says they are in favor of it. Yet the comments

always go

> something like this, " I am all for more education, BUT... " , " I am not

> against more education, BUT " . Everybody thinks it's a great idea as

long as

> they don't have to put their money where their mouth is, and there

is always

> some caveat. And then you see comments like the one I quoted above.

When

> you have EMSAT opposing anything that requires even an Associate

degree for

> future Paramedics, we need to quit expecting salaries comparable to

RN's and

> RT's and just be happy with our Wal-Mart Associate wage.

>

> - Lancaster

[Guest guest]

the LP does require college but when it started in '99 it was just 60

hrs of college with 16 hrs of " core curriculum courses " and they did not

have to be

in EMS or even anything vaguely related to the medical field ( I got

mine with an almost completed degree in fire protection technology).

Now, of course, you have to have a degree in EMS

B. , AAS, LP

Baylor Regional Medical Center at Grapevine

EMS Educator

Baylor EMS Medical Control

1601 Lancaster Drive Suite #10

Grapevine, Tx 76051-3300

Office

Direct Line

Fax

Cell

Pager

Re: Scope of Practice Questions

Well said .

-aro

> Sorry I haven't been around to respond to all of the fear-mongering

that has

> taken place.

>

> Someone made a comment, and it really represents the crux of the

argument

> from my perspective. They said, " Why go to a 4 year degree whebn I

can take

> a S.L.A.M. (steet level airway maintenance) course and get the same

> knowledge and skill. "

>

> I have heard people refer to themselves as " professionals " several

> times while this issue was being discussed. It seems that we want to

> be considered professionals, but on the other hand, we don't want to

> do the things that professionals do. Namely, we don't want to require

education

> instead of " training " . Right now, EMS is NOT a profession. It is a

> vocation. There have been many arguments about the effect that this

would

> have on rural EMS, essentially saying that instituting real

> professional standards would have a detrimental effect on their

> ability to continue providing the level of care that they require. I

> am not

unsympathetic to

> this (even though I believe some of the claims have been

exaggerated), but I

> think the problem is circular. There is no incentive for the county

> commissioners to fork over more money as long as rural systems

continue to

> scrape by. Rural systems will continue to suffer shortages of

> qualified people because there is no money. And the cycle continues.

>

> I am also beginning to question how much we really value education. Of

> course, everyone says they are in favor of it. Yet the comments

always go

> something like this, " I am all for more education, BUT... " , " I am not

> against more education, BUT " . Everybody thinks it's a great idea as

long as

> they don't have to put their money where their mouth is, and there

is always

> some caveat. And then you see comments like the one I quoted above.

When

> you have EMSAT opposing anything that requires even an Associate

degree for

> future Paramedics, we need to quit expecting salaries comparable to

RN's and

> RT's and just be happy with our Wal-Mart Associate wage.

>

> - Lancaster

[Guest guest]

True. I received my LP in 99 with a BS in Agriculture. Many of my

classes in my degree plan were also pre-vet classes, A & P,

Pathophysiology, Genetic, Nutrition, etc. Had I had any idea what I was

going to be when I grew up I would have studied an entirely different

curriculum, but hindsight is always better that foresight. Oh Well. I

just don't need to go back to school and start over again. It's been 26

years since I graduated from TTU and I'm just not interested about it.

BH

Re: Scope of Practice Questions

Well said .

-aro

> Sorry I haven't been around to respond to all of the fear-mongering

that has

> taken place.

>

> Someone made a comment, and it really represents the crux of the

argument

> from my perspective. They said, " Why go to a 4 year degree whebn I

can take

> a S.L.A.M. (steet level airway maintenance) course and get the same

> knowledge and skill. "

>

> I have heard people refer to themselves as " professionals " several

> times while this issue was being discussed. It seems that we want to

> be considered professionals, but on the other hand, we don't want to

> do the things that professionals do. Namely, we don't want to require

education

> instead of " training " . Right now, EMS is NOT a profession. It is a

> vocation. There have been many arguments about the effect that this

would

> have on rural EMS, essentially saying that instituting real

> professional standards would have a detrimental effect on their

> ability to continue providing the level of care that they require. I

> am not

unsympathetic to

> this (even though I believe some of the claims have been

exaggerated), but I

> think the problem is circular. There is no incentive for the county

> commissioners to fork over more money as long as rural systems

continue to

> scrape by. Rural systems will continue to suffer shortages of

> qualified people because there is no money. And the cycle continues.

>

> I am also beginning to question how much we really value education. Of

> course, everyone says they are in favor of it. Yet the comments

always go

> something like this, " I am all for more education, BUT... " , " I am not

> against more education, BUT " . Everybody thinks it's a great idea as

long as

> they don't have to put their money where their mouth is, and there

is always

> some caveat. And then you see comments like the one I quoted above.

When

> you have EMSAT opposing anything that requires even an Associate

degree for

> future Paramedics, we need to quit expecting salaries comparable to

RN's and

> RT's and just be happy with our Wal-Mart Associate wage.

>

> - Lancaster

[Guest guest]

True. I received my LP in 99 with a BS in Agriculture. Many of my

classes in my degree plan were also pre-vet classes, A & P,

Pathophysiology, Genetic, Nutrition, etc. Had I had any idea what I was

going to be when I grew up I would have studied an entirely different

curriculum, but hindsight is always better that foresight. Oh Well. I

just don't need to go back to school and start over again. It's been 26

years since I graduated from TTU and I'm just not interested about it.

BH

Re: Scope of Practice Questions

Well said .

-aro

> Sorry I haven't been around to respond to all of the fear-mongering

that has

> taken place.

>

> Someone made a comment, and it really represents the crux of the

argument

> from my perspective. They said, " Why go to a 4 year degree whebn I

can take

> a S.L.A.M. (steet level airway maintenance) course and get the same

> knowledge and skill. "

>

> I have heard people refer to themselves as " professionals " several

> times while this issue was being discussed. It seems that we want to

> be considered professionals, but on the other hand, we don't want to

> do the things that professionals do. Namely, we don't want to require

education

> instead of " training " . Right now, EMS is NOT a profession. It is a

> vocation. There have been many arguments about the effect that this

would

> have on rural EMS, essentially saying that instituting real

> professional standards would have a detrimental effect on their

> ability to continue providing the level of care that they require. I

> am not

unsympathetic to

> this (even though I believe some of the claims have been

exaggerated), but I

> think the problem is circular. There is no incentive for the county

> commissioners to fork over more money as long as rural systems

continue to

> scrape by. Rural systems will continue to suffer shortages of

> qualified people because there is no money. And the cycle continues.

>

> I am also beginning to question how much we really value education. Of

> course, everyone says they are in favor of it. Yet the comments

always go

> something like this, " I am all for more education, BUT... " , " I am not

> against more education, BUT " . Everybody thinks it's a great idea as

long as

> they don't have to put their money where their mouth is, and there

is always

> some caveat. And then you see comments like the one I quoted above.

When

> you have EMSAT opposing anything that requires even an Associate

degree for

> future Paramedics, we need to quit expecting salaries comparable to

RN's and

> RT's and just be happy with our Wal-Mart Associate wage.

>

> - Lancaster

[Guest guest]

True. I received my LP in 99 with a BS in Agriculture. Many of my

classes in my degree plan were also pre-vet classes, A & P,

Pathophysiology, Genetic, Nutrition, etc. Had I had any idea what I was

going to be when I grew up I would have studied an entirely different

curriculum, but hindsight is always better that foresight. Oh Well. I

just don't need to go back to school and start over again. It's been 26

years since I graduated from TTU and I'm just not interested about it.

BH

Re: Scope of Practice Questions

Well said .

-aro

> Sorry I haven't been around to respond to all of the fear-mongering

that has

> taken place.

>

> Someone made a comment, and it really represents the crux of the

argument

> from my perspective. They said, " Why go to a 4 year degree whebn I

can take

> a S.L.A.M. (steet level airway maintenance) course and get the same

> knowledge and skill. "

>

> I have heard people refer to themselves as " professionals " several

> times while this issue was being discussed. It seems that we want to

> be considered professionals, but on the other hand, we don't want to

> do the things that professionals do. Namely, we don't want to require

education

> instead of " training " . Right now, EMS is NOT a profession. It is a

> vocation. There have been many arguments about the effect that this

would

> have on rural EMS, essentially saying that instituting real

> professional standards would have a detrimental effect on their

> ability to continue providing the level of care that they require. I

> am not

unsympathetic to

> this (even though I believe some of the claims have been

exaggerated), but I

> think the problem is circular. There is no incentive for the county

> commissioners to fork over more money as long as rural systems

continue to

> scrape by. Rural systems will continue to suffer shortages of

> qualified people because there is no money. And the cycle continues.

>

> I am also beginning to question how much we really value education. Of

> course, everyone says they are in favor of it. Yet the comments

always go

> something like this, " I am all for more education, BUT... " , " I am not

> against more education, BUT " . Everybody thinks it's a great idea as

long as

> they don't have to put their money where their mouth is, and there

is always

> some caveat. And then you see comments like the one I quoted above.

When

> you have EMSAT opposing anything that requires even an Associate

degree for

> future Paramedics, we need to quit expecting salaries comparable to

RN's and

> RT's and just be happy with our Wal-Mart Associate wage.

>

> - Lancaster

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/6/2004 8:42:12 PM Central Standard Time,

scotterems@... writes:

There is no incentive for the county

commissioners to fork over more money as long as rural systems continue to

scrape by. Rural systems will continue to suffer shortages of qualified

people because there is no money. And the cycle continue.

I disagree. The county I currently live and Yes volunteer in will not fork

out the money. They just close the local EMS unit down when they do not have

volunteers and call neighboring service to cover the area. They do not want in

the EMS business and will continue to spend as little as possible on it. This

is a " County " ran system in a not so rural area of the state. They will do

what they can to scrape by, even if it is call another service.

WS Weeks

Lic-P

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/6/2004 8:42:12 PM Central Standard Time,

scotterems@... writes:

There is no incentive for the county

commissioners to fork over more money as long as rural systems continue to

scrape by. Rural systems will continue to suffer shortages of qualified

people because there is no money. And the cycle continue.

I disagree. The county I currently live and Yes volunteer in will not fork

out the money. They just close the local EMS unit down when they do not have

volunteers and call neighboring service to cover the area. They do not want in

the EMS business and will continue to spend as little as possible on it. This

is a " County " ran system in a not so rural area of the state. They will do

what they can to scrape by, even if it is call another service.

WS Weeks

Lic-P

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/6/2004 8:42:12 PM Central Standard Time,

scotterems@... writes:

There is no incentive for the county

commissioners to fork over more money as long as rural systems continue to

scrape by. Rural systems will continue to suffer shortages of qualified

people because there is no money. And the cycle continue.

I disagree. The county I currently live and Yes volunteer in will not fork

out the money. They just close the local EMS unit down when they do not have

volunteers and call neighboring service to cover the area. They do not want in

the EMS business and will continue to spend as little as possible on it. This

is a " County " ran system in a not so rural area of the state. They will do

what they can to scrape by, even if it is call another service.

WS Weeks

Lic-P

[Guest guest]

does anyone know the link or email to send our comments on the NEMSSOP's

[Guest guest]

There are a few of them,

http://www.naemt.org/

Ed Racht is also taking comments to put together a position paper for GETAC,

his email is

.Racht@...

The web site for NAEMSD, NREMT and a few others also have links to send

comments to as well.

Mike

Re: Re: Scope of Practice Questions

does anyone know the link or email to send our comments on the NEMSSOP's

[Guest guest]

There are a few of them,

http://www.naemt.org/

Ed Racht is also taking comments to put together a position paper for GETAC,

his email is

.Racht@...

The web site for NAEMSD, NREMT and a few others also have links to send

comments to as well.

Mike

Re: Re: Scope of Practice Questions

does anyone know the link or email to send our comments on the NEMSSOP's

[Guest guest]

There are a few of them,

http://www.naemt.org/

Ed Racht is also taking comments to put together a position paper for GETAC,

his email is

.Racht@...

The web site for NAEMSD, NREMT and a few others also have links to send

comments to as well.

Mike

Re: Re: Scope of Practice Questions

does anyone know the link or email to send our comments on the NEMSSOP's

[Guest guest]

thanks

Re: Re: Scope of Practice Questions

does anyone know the link or email to send our comments on the NEMSSOP's

[Guest guest]

thanks

Re: Re: Scope of Practice Questions

does anyone know the link or email to send our comments on the NEMSSOP's