Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 > Gene, > I agree Eddioe Childs never did anything except to let everyone know that he > was mad. Well I'm mad too > eddie, but I choose to do something about It. , that's a blatant lie. In his first (and ONLY) post on this thread, he asked questions. No whining, no complaining - this thread was a question, and ONLY a question. " Eddie to More options Sep 10 (4 days ago) We were all discussing how little we are paid in this field a while ago and I'm curious. How much do you think EMS personnel should be paid? How much per hour? Or yearly? With what kind of benefits? Free CEs? What do y'all think? " I suggest you apologize to Mr. Childs. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 > Gene, > I agree Eddioe Childs never did anything except to let everyone know that he > was mad. Well I'm mad too > eddie, but I choose to do something about It. , that's a blatant lie. In his first (and ONLY) post on this thread, he asked questions. No whining, no complaining - this thread was a question, and ONLY a question. " Eddie to More options Sep 10 (4 days ago) We were all discussing how little we are paid in this field a while ago and I'm curious. How much do you think EMS personnel should be paid? How much per hour? Or yearly? With what kind of benefits? Free CEs? What do y'all think? " I suggest you apologize to Mr. Childs. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 Well did I make it, Gene? " Re: Re: EMS Pay ENOUGH WHINING! Do something besides sticking your head out the window and yelling, " I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore. " Do not pass GO. Go directly to _www.emsatoftx.org_ (http://www.emsatoftx.org<http://www.emsatoftx.org/>) and sign up today for EMSAT. Strength is in numbers. We at EMSAT have some exciting things in the works. We have legislators who are listening to us, who are committed to working for our cause, but they always want to know............you guessed it.........HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU REPRESENT? Now, I tell them, 51, 697, as of now, hoping that they won't ask how many PAYING members we have. Folks, we cannot carry out our mission to secure an independent EMS Commission for you, to watch your back for you and see what kind of legislative crocodile is about to bite you in the ass, advance your interests with GETAC and other agencies, unless we have the members and money to do it. Membership is a mere $35 per year, the cost of a movie, Cokes and popcorn for 4, or two giant pizzas with everything but anchovies. Visit the site to see what other bennies you get. You may be surprised. There's some insurance for you there and we keep you up to date on what's happening in the EMS world that affects you. EMSAT Board Members and Officers get NOTHING for their service except a tax deduction for the money we spend on hotels, meals, and gas in traveling to Austin and other places to represent you. And we WANT NOTHING. Except enough members to back us. And if you're a Fat Cat Owner and want to become a corporate sponsor, that's available, with prominent sponsorship displays. Show your support for our profession. EMSAT is the ONLY organization that looks out for the RANK AND FILE ECAs, EMTs and Paramedics. No other organization does that exclusively. Soooooo, JUST DO IT! We need 10 NEW MEMBERS TODAY! Who will be the first? Gene Gandy, JD, LP Vice-President EMSAT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 Mike, Your youth has caught up to you. Obviously, you don't know who Eddie Childs was. Suffice it to say that he never posted on this forum or on anything else relative to EMS. With that, I'll leave you to do research. LOL Gene In a message dated 9/14/2004 7:06:10 PM Central Daylight Time, paramedicop@... writes: On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:47:28 -0500, nelson williams wrote: > Gene, > I agree Eddioe Childs never did anything except to let everyone know that he > was mad. Well I'm mad too > eddie, but I choose to do something about It. , that's a blatant lie. In his first (and ONLY) post on this thread, he asked questions. No whining, no complaining - this thread was a question, and ONLY a question. " Eddie to More options Sep 10 (4 days ago) We were all discussing how little we are paid in this field a while ago and I'm curious. How much do you think EMS personnel should be paid? How much per hour? Or yearly? With what kind of benefits? Free CEs? What do y'all think? " I suggest you apologize to Mr. Childs. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 Mike, Your youth has caught up to you. Obviously, you don't know who Eddie Childs was. Suffice it to say that he never posted on this forum or on anything else relative to EMS. With that, I'll leave you to do research. LOL Gene In a message dated 9/14/2004 7:06:10 PM Central Daylight Time, paramedicop@... writes: On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:47:28 -0500, nelson williams wrote: > Gene, > I agree Eddioe Childs never did anything except to let everyone know that he > was mad. Well I'm mad too > eddie, but I choose to do something about It. , that's a blatant lie. In his first (and ONLY) post on this thread, he asked questions. No whining, no complaining - this thread was a question, and ONLY a question. " Eddie to More options Sep 10 (4 days ago) We were all discussing how little we are paid in this field a while ago and I'm curious. How much do you think EMS personnel should be paid? How much per hour? Or yearly? With what kind of benefits? Free CEs? What do y'all think? " I suggest you apologize to Mr. Childs. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 Mike, Your youth has caught up to you. Obviously, you don't know who Eddie Childs was. Suffice it to say that he never posted on this forum or on anything else relative to EMS. With that, I'll leave you to do research. LOL Gene In a message dated 9/14/2004 7:06:10 PM Central Daylight Time, paramedicop@... writes: On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:47:28 -0500, nelson williams wrote: > Gene, > I agree Eddioe Childs never did anything except to let everyone know that he > was mad. Well I'm mad too > eddie, but I choose to do something about It. , that's a blatant lie. In his first (and ONLY) post on this thread, he asked questions. No whining, no complaining - this thread was a question, and ONLY a question. " Eddie to More options Sep 10 (4 days ago) We were all discussing how little we are paid in this field a while ago and I'm curious. How much do you think EMS personnel should be paid? How much per hour? Or yearly? With what kind of benefits? Free CEs? What do y'all think? " I suggest you apologize to Mr. Childs. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 I believe so. Thank you and congratulations! GG In a message dated 9/14/2004 8:15:19 PM Central Daylight Time, mpv68@... writes: Well did I make it, Gene? " Re: Re: EMS Pay ENOUGH WHINING! Do something besides sticking your head out the window and yelling, " I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore. " Do not pass GO. Go directly to _www.emsatoftx.org_ (http://www.emsatoftx.org<http://www.emsatoftx.org/>) and sign up today for EMSAT. Strength is in numbers. We at EMSAT have some exciting things in the works. We have legislators who are listening to us, who are committed to working for our cause, but they always want to know............you guessed it.........HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU REPRESENT? Now, I tell them, 51, 697, as of now, hoping that they won't ask how many PAYING members we have. Folks, we cannot carry out our mission to secure an independent EMS Commission for you, to watch your back for you and see what kind of legislative crocodile is about to bite you in the ass, advance your interests with GETAC and other agencies, unless we have the members and money to do it. Membership is a mere $35 per year, the cost of a movie, Cokes and popcorn for 4, or two giant pizzas with everything but anchovies. Visit the site to see what other bennies you get. You may be surprised. There's some insurance for you there and we keep you up to date on what's happening in the EMS world that affects you. EMSAT Board Members and Officers get NOTHING for their service except a tax deduction for the money we spend on hotels, meals, and gas in traveling to Austin and other places to represent you. And we WANT NOTHING. Except enough members to back us. And if you're a Fat Cat Owner and want to become a corporate sponsor, that's available, with prominent sponsorship displays. Show your support for our profession. EMSAT is the ONLY organization that looks out for the RANK AND FILE ECAs, EMTs and Paramedics. No other organization does that exclusively. Soooooo, JUST DO IT! We need 10 NEW MEMBERS TODAY! Who will be the first? Gene Gandy, JD, LP Vice-President EMSAT [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 OK, now redeem yourself by telling us who Eddie Childs is or was (not sure if he's still living), what the name of his company was and how he was involved with baseball. GG In a message dated 9/15/2004 1:53:57 AM Central Daylight Time, paramedicop@... writes: On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 04:28:16 -0000, Eddie wrote: > I'm not Childs Whoops! After chiding , it turns out I was wrong. I apologize, - I was wrong. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 I'm not Childs > > Gene, > > I agree Eddioe Childs never did anything except to let everyone know that he > > was mad. Well I'm mad too > > eddie, but I choose to do something about It. > > , that's a blatant lie. In his first (and ONLY) post on this > thread, he asked questions. No whining, no complaining - this thread > was a question, and ONLY a question. > > " Eddie <picapiedras13@y...> to More options Sep > 10 (4 days ago) > We were all discussing how little we are paid in this field a while > ago and I'm curious. How much do you think EMS personnel should be > paid? How much per hour? Or yearly? With what kind of benefits? Free > CEs? What do y'all think? " > > I suggest you apologize to Mr. Childs. > > Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 I'm not Childs > > Gene, > > I agree Eddioe Childs never did anything except to let everyone know that he > > was mad. Well I'm mad too > > eddie, but I choose to do something about It. > > , that's a blatant lie. In his first (and ONLY) post on this > thread, he asked questions. No whining, no complaining - this thread > was a question, and ONLY a question. > > " Eddie <picapiedras13@y...> to More options Sep > 10 (4 days ago) > We were all discussing how little we are paid in this field a while > ago and I'm curious. How much do you think EMS personnel should be > paid? How much per hour? Or yearly? With what kind of benefits? Free > CEs? What do y'all think? " > > I suggest you apologize to Mr. Childs. > > Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 I'm not Childs > > Gene, > > I agree Eddioe Childs never did anything except to let everyone know that he > > was mad. Well I'm mad too > > eddie, but I choose to do something about It. > > , that's a blatant lie. In his first (and ONLY) post on this > thread, he asked questions. No whining, no complaining - this thread > was a question, and ONLY a question. > > " Eddie <picapiedras13@y...> to More options Sep > 10 (4 days ago) > We were all discussing how little we are paid in this field a while > ago and I'm curious. How much do you think EMS personnel should be > paid? How much per hour? Or yearly? With what kind of benefits? Free > CEs? What do y'all think? " > > I suggest you apologize to Mr. Childs. > > Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 " Al " <agarcia@v...> wrote: > Well Rob I am only going to guess that you know nothing about firefighting > or the profession. As a veteran I can tell you that we do not sit around all > day. Well, then I am only going to guess that you didn't read my post very carefully. Especially the part where I stated that I am a former professional firefighter. I know the history. I know the reality. I certainly didn't say that the public's and the bean-counters' perceptions were correct. I only said that is what their perceptions were. > As for why Fire Departments are taking over EMS services you need to do > some research and you might find out that it was the private providers going > out of service and then the responsibility was handed down to the fire > service. I was not talking about why Fire Departments are taking over EMS services. I was talking about why they were handed those services in the first place. I'm talking a historical perspective, not a current analysis. The point was the roots of EMS, not the future. > I truly believe if you do have the passion you say you do for EMS > you should take Mr. advice and join EMSAT. I retired from Fire and EMS a decade ago after a disabling on-the-job injury. I'm just here for the argument. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 > I'm not Childs Whoops! After chiding , it turns out I was wrong. I apologize, - I was wrong. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 Mike <paramedicop@g...> wrote: > > , that's a blatant lie. In his first (and ONLY) post on this > thread, he asked questions. No whining, no complaining - this thread > was a question, and ONLY a question. Now that is funny right there, I don't care who you are! You're slipping Mike! Had you posted your retraction during waking hours, I am confident you would have thought to play it off as an intentional joke. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 Now you have ask me to scrape away the cobwebs and actually use my memory. He was big in the oil industry, but I don't know about the baseball, not being much of a fan at the time. Re: Re: EMS Pay > > > OK, now redeem yourself by telling us who Eddie Childs is or was (not sure > if he's still living), what the name of his company was and how he was involved > with baseball. > > GG > > In a message dated 9/15/2004 1:53:57 AM Central Daylight Time, > paramedicop@... writes: > > On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 04:28:16 -0000, Eddie wrote: > > I'm not Childs > > Whoops! After chiding , it turns out I was wrong. I apologize, > - I was wrong. > > Mike > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 The ongoing thread about pay being tied to education is a bit misleading. I encourage everyone to obtain as much education as they can and the more education that you get, the better Paramedic you will be. But as an EMS Director I must be honest and tell you that it may not ever mean much of a difference in salary than those with little or no college education and this is why. Most all systems are almost completely dependent on Medicare reimbursement for the majority of their revenue. The federal government is not going to increase Medicare payments to the extent necessary to allow providers to pay much higher for Paramedics with 4 year degrees therefore we are still going to be looking for a way to find the money. Some providers that have a tax base to subsidize their service may be able to pull this off to some degree but private providers will not. At our service, the starting pay for Paramedics has increased about $10,000 in the last 10 years and if I could, I would increase it another $10,000 now. I have several that have Associate degrees but the pay is not based on education. Having said this, I am not knocking education at all. I encourage all of our people going through Paramedic school to finish their Associates Degree. I am the Chairman of the advisory committee for our local community college EMS program and have had a lot of input in establishing the required courses and criteria for an Associates degree in EMS there. We set these classes based both on state requirements but also on what we thought would make the most difference in turning out the best quality Paramedics. A Paramedic that goes through the degree requirements will almost always be better prepared for the job than one that only gets certified. I don't mean they will be able to intubate or start IVs better. I mean they will have better communication, documentation and quantified thinking skills than someone who didn't obtain the extra education. I took a lot of classes to obtain a BS in Management and during that time I certainly thought that a lot of them were to no benefit whatsoever. Now that I have " grown up " I realize that every single class that I took helped me in some way or another. I would love to see our profession full of degreed Paramedics. That would not only help improve the recognition of our profession as such but it would also improve the quality overall care provided in EMS. I encourage everyone to get as much education as you can whether it be in EMS, business, basket weaving or whatever. It will improve you life in many ways but don't think that it will improve your financial situation in EMS anytime soon. I don't mean to be a pessimist just a realist. My wife was at the top of her high school class, graduated from college with a 3.5 GPA and had the mental ability to do whatever she wanted. She decided to be a teacher and make much less that a Paramedic. We are not the only ones in the world that are doing something for less than is deserved and like teachers most of us do it for much more than the money. Mike Reynolds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Another thought along this line: The Scope of Practice document says that, if your system wants the option of refering patients to alternative health care resources, the Paramedic or EMT " will interface with an Advance Practice Paramedic provider. " I'm certain that most departments will not have Advance Practice Paramedics, so will EMS be put in the position of having to transport even more patients who really don't need an ambulance ride to a hospital ER? That will translate into even more Medicare, Medicaid, and insurance claims being denied because the transport was not medically necessary. I'm concerned that, as written, this document will increase the demands already placed on EMS, and limit our resources even more than they are already limited. Maxine Pate ---- Original message ---- Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 05:29:52 -0600 From: " Mike Reynolds " > > Most all systems are almost completely dependent on > Medicare > reimbursement for the majority of their revenue. > The federal government > is not going to increase Medicare payments to the > extent necessary to > allow providers to pay much higher for Paramedics > with 4 year degrees > therefore we are still going to be looking for a way > to find the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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