Re: teaching/healing as a profession.

[Guest guest]

Hi Kantra,

Well said and I agree with you. I do not see any problem with being

compensated for the time you have put into working with a client and

your time spent on learning your profession. My issue has always been

since we are utilizing Alternative Modalities, are we any better than

doctors and such when we charge to me extremely high fees with no

sliding fee scale or barter system in place to help the ones that

could use our services but could not otherwise afford them. When a

person goes to a doctor, most the time they have insurance to help

compensate for the high office visits, but the ones who do not end of

not going to the doctor and getting worse until they end up in the

hospital.

My clients come from all walks of life and thru the love offering

process I have sometimes received 3 times the amount I would have

normally charged, and other times I received not enough to cover my

time, but that was still good because it was what they could afford to

pay and still keep food on the table for their children and I have

even received a basket full of organic fruits and vegetables from

their own garden because it was all they could afford. It all

balances out in the end. While doing it this way has not made me rich

and has kept me collecting disability benefits, has made me late on my

own bills, I still go to sleep every night knowing in my heart that I

am doing what I am meant to do and helping as many people as possible.

Now I must add I also always give my clients homework LOL, but it

helps make them participate in their own healing process, even when I

am not their.

And who knows, maybe I am not expressing myself properly as to what I

was originally getting at. The name of this group says it all

" Humanity Healing " . When I first brought up this topic, I was not

referring to anyone in this group. Kanta, I commend you for setting

up your practice the way you have. And I commend and applaud everyone

in this group for the wonderful work you all do.

Blessings

Darla

--- In , " art4spirit " <art4spirit@...>

wrote:

>

> Hello All,

>

> While I recognize and accept that others may have a different

> perspective, I would like to offer my thoughts and feelings and what I

> find works for me.

>

> I feel uncomfortable when I hear messages espousing the view that that

> the teaching/healer/guide is not a vaild profession or be accepted as

> such, with compensation, just like any profession.

>

> Like many highly compensated professions, it may take years of study,

> investment in expensive trainings and other education...and it

> provides a meaningful, often deeply life-changing value to the client.

> The practitoner has rent or house payments, and other expenses like

> any other person. And if they are investing their whole time in this

> profession, rather than doing it part time, that commitment and

> investment, as well as expertise, needs to be valued.

>

> I think that it is evidence that the still-male-dominated society, the

> Old Paradigm, if you will, that values traditionally male-domiated

> professions and pays them well, while traditionally female professions-

> the helping and healing professions, both in-the-grid (teachers,

> social workers, counselors) and off it (Energy Workers, Massage

> Therapists, Hypnotherapists, Spiritual Guides, Intuitives, and all

> manner of Aletrnative Modalities)...are expected to provide their

> services at a lower rate of pay or free. It is time we valued the

> gifts Feminine part of ourselves with appropropriate compensation, as

> a culture.

>

> I am a Hypnotherapist and Spiritual Life Coach. I do intense, time

> consuming work. Lots of planning, research and writing. I meditate on

> the client. I do Intuitive and Healing work. I highly personalize. And

> the work is, I am told over and over, profoundly life changing.

>

> I have a sliding scale. I charge for my planning time only. I call it

> a " curriclum design fee " because that's what it is. The sessions

> themselves are Love-Offering based. This means, whatever the client

> wants to give, from the heart. Some who are CEOs or doctors or

> lawyers, add a significant amount to their check, so that they get

> close to the actual marketplace value of my time, which is way more

> than my curriculum design fee. Some, who have a more modest incme,

> give me a gift that is meaningful to them or something from my

> wishlist on Amazon. This way, everyone, even students, can afford me

> AND my time and energy is fairly compensated. I trust that it will

> always balance out and it does.

>

> A profession is both a business and ideally, a calling. If the

> business part is not respected, it's not sustainable. I do believe in

> titheing. Giving a percent of one's time, talent and treasure to the

> source of one's spiritual nourishment and also in social service. I

> was blessed to experience lots of love, prayer and Reiki when I was

> sick and unable to work or pay for anyone's services. I am profoundly

> grateful for this. And I do my share of this as well.

>

> AND in my professional life with telephone, internet and in office

> clients...I expect and receive energy exchange. I have read the

> studies that have shown that when the client pays, s/he gets a better

> outcome. That's one reasons I think alternative modalities, who don't

> take insurance have an advantage. The client has a stake in it, an

> investment. It's better. And, I've found from experience in my

> practice that the client who readily and gratefully pays me and gives

> me a love offering that expresses his or her appreciation...is a

> client who really gets the work and uses it well and wisely.

>

> In Aloha

>

> Kanta

>

[Guest guest]

Dearest Sister Kantra;

First... please let go of any anger. You used the word " I " so many

times and it was entered as a legal defense in court. Praise to what

you and others do in helping heal the endless descriptions of

suffering! What you and others do is both equally a profession and a

gift from the higher. This brings the paradox monetarily with " when

does the line cross and needs becomes greed? " . Everyone will have a

different opinion of this.

We must look at our past, the human past here on this little rock,

then look, imagine the whole of infinity ahead of us. People have not

really evolved in so many basic concepts yet. We send things into

space, have cellphones and computers, but our core is still that of

an infant. By all means, I include myself with this statement. Most

people have a deep rooted feeling that life owes them something. What

will life give other than death with certainty? nothing. Everything

we have, experience, every road we walk are not guaranteed. These

things came and so even negetive circumstances or sadness can be seen

as a gift. We were given this experience because the universe allowed

it, nothing more. No other source. We carry so many questions and

never find enough answers. This is the human condition, also wishing

respect, pride, etc, as many do, these are just more realization than

on the evolutionary scale, mankind has a long way to go still.

As for the female feeling lesser issue; Equally created was the male

and female energies/bodies. The yin and yang. One cannot exist

without the other so it is easy to see that human equinimity is a no-

brainer, yet (remember the evolution here), some still refuse to

acknowledge and accept this harmony of sexes. In the history of

eternity sense... we are alittle smarter overall than yesterday but

still and always less than tomorrow (if it comes).

Be patient, calm. Thank whatever reference you wish to give it to

for having your gift. I did not get this, so you are ahead of me and

others. The world itself causes what you have to be labeled and

hecticly done in the form of profession. Yuck. a terrible word for

something we perhaps fine tuned with classes, but came to us with

life. A blessing indeed.

Compassion To All,

Randy

>

> Hi Kantra,

>

> Well said and I agree with you. I do not see any problem with being

> compensated for the time you have put into working with a client and

> your time spent on learning your profession. My issue has always

been

> since we are utilizing Alternative Modalities, are we any better

than

> doctors and such when we charge to me extremely high fees with no

> sliding fee scale or barter system in place to help the ones that

> could use our services but could not otherwise afford them. When a

> person goes to a doctor, most the time they have insurance to help

> compensate for the high office visits, but the ones who do not end

of

> not going to the doctor and getting worse until they end up in the

> hospital.

>

> My clients come from all walks of life and thru the love offering

> process I have sometimes received 3 times the amount I would have

> normally charged, and other times I received not enough to cover my

> time, but that was still good because it was what they could afford

to

> pay and still keep food on the table for their children and I have

> even received a basket full of organic fruits and vegetables from

> their own garden because it was all they could afford. It all

> balances out in the end. While doing it this way has not made me

rich

> and has kept me collecting disability benefits, has made me late on

my

> own bills, I still go to sleep every night knowing in my heart that

I

> am doing what I am meant to do and helping as many people as

possible.

> Now I must add I also always give my clients homework LOL, but it

> helps make them participate in their own healing process, even when

I

> am not their.

>

> And who knows, maybe I am not expressing myself properly as to what

I

> was originally getting at. The name of this group says it all

> " Humanity Healing " . When I first brought up this topic, I was not

> referring to anyone in this group. Kanta, I commend you for setting

> up your practice the way you have. And I commend and applaud

everyone

> in this group for the wonderful work you all do.

>

> Blessings

> Darla

>

>

> >

> > Hello All,

> >

> > While I recognize and accept that others may have a different

> > perspective, I would like to offer my thoughts and feelings and

what I

> > find works for me.

> >

> > I feel uncomfortable when I hear messages espousing the view that

that

> > the teaching/healer/guide is not a vaild profession or be

accepted as

> > such, with compensation, just like any profession.

> >

> > Like many highly compensated professions, it may take years of

study,

> > investment in expensive trainings and other education...and it

> > provides a meaningful, often deeply life-changing value to the

client.

> > The practitoner has rent or house payments, and other expenses

like

> > any other person. And if they are investing their whole time in

this

> > profession, rather than doing it part time, that commitment and

> > investment, as well as expertise, needs to be valued.

> >

> > I think that it is evidence that the still-male-dominated

society, the

> > Old Paradigm, if you will, that values traditionally male-

domiated

> > professions and pays them well, while traditionally female

professions-

> > the helping and healing professions, both in-the-grid (teachers,

> > social workers, counselors) and off it (Energy Workers, Massage

> > Therapists, Hypnotherapists, Spiritual Guides, Intuitives, and

all

> > manner of Aletrnative Modalities)...are expected to provide their

> > services at a lower rate of pay or free. It is time we valued the

> > gifts Feminine part of ourselves with appropropriate

compensation, as

> > a culture.

> >

> > I am a Hypnotherapist and Spiritual Life Coach. I do intense,

time

> > consuming work. Lots of planning, research and writing. I

meditate on

> > the client. I do Intuitive and Healing work. I highly

personalize. And

> > the work is, I am told over and over, profoundly life changing.

> >

> > I have a sliding scale. I charge for my planning time only. I

call it

> > a " curriclum design fee " because that's what it is. The sessions

> > themselves are Love-Offering based. This means, whatever the

client

> > wants to give, from the heart. Some who are CEOs or doctors or

> > lawyers, add a significant amount to their check, so that they

get

> > close to the actual marketplace value of my time, which is way

more

> > than my curriculum design fee. Some, who have a more modest

incme,

> > give me a gift that is meaningful to them or something from my

> > wishlist on Amazon. This way, everyone, even students, can afford

me

> > AND my time and energy is fairly compensated. I trust that it

will

> > always balance out and it does.

> >

> > A profession is both a business and ideally, a calling. If the

> > business part is not respected, it's not sustainable. I do

believe in

> > titheing. Giving a percent of one's time, talent and treasure to

the

> > source of one's spiritual nourishment and also in social service.

I

> > was blessed to experience lots of love, prayer and Reiki when I

was

> > sick and unable to work or pay for anyone's services. I am

profoundly

> > grateful for this. And I do my share of this as well.

> >

> > AND in my professional life with telephone, internet and in

office

> > clients...I expect and receive energy exchange. I have read the

> > studies that have shown that when the client pays, s/he gets a

better

> > outcome. That's one reasons I think alternative modalities, who

don't

> > take insurance have an advantage. The client has a stake in it,

an

> > investment. It's better. And, I've found from experience in my

> > practice that the client who readily and gratefully pays me and

gives

> > me a love offering that expresses his or her appreciation...is a

> > client who really gets the work and uses it well and wisely.

> >

> > In Aloha

> >

> > Kanta

> >

>