Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 Shani, I'd listen to the Endo. You can NOT smoke on the patch at all. No cheating whatsoever. I'm a smoker too, but only have mild eye disease. I agreed with my Endo to cut down but not quit while I was hyper because I knew that trying to quit would throw me into an emotional tailspin and really, really, really stress me out. At the time, the Endo was more worried about that with me than the smoking that I did. But I realize Jeff's case is different and his eyes sound much worse than mine were. Again, I'd listen to the Endo. Doris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 Shani, I'd listen to the Endo. You can NOT smoke on the patch at all. No cheating whatsoever. I'm a smoker too, but only have mild eye disease. I agreed with my Endo to cut down but not quit while I was hyper because I knew that trying to quit would throw me into an emotional tailspin and really, really, really stress me out. At the time, the Endo was more worried about that with me than the smoking that I did. But I realize Jeff's case is different and his eyes sound much worse than mine were. Again, I'd listen to the Endo. Doris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 Shani, I'd listen to the Endo. You can NOT smoke on the patch at all. No cheating whatsoever. I'm a smoker too, but only have mild eye disease. I agreed with my Endo to cut down but not quit while I was hyper because I knew that trying to quit would throw me into an emotional tailspin and really, really, really stress me out. At the time, the Endo was more worried about that with me than the smoking that I did. But I realize Jeff's case is different and his eyes sound much worse than mine were. Again, I'd listen to the Endo. Doris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 Shani, I think the reason the endo said no to the patch is because it can raise the heart rate while on it. It did with me...and the one time I was wearing it, was with some friends and smoked one cig. I about had a heart attack! I would listen to the endo here...maybe ask him about the gum instead. Jody _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 Shani, I think the reason the endo said no to the patch is because it can raise the heart rate while on it. It did with me...and the one time I was wearing it, was with some friends and smoked one cig. I about had a heart attack! I would listen to the endo here...maybe ask him about the gum instead. Jody _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 Shani, I think the reason the endo said no to the patch is because it can raise the heart rate while on it. It did with me...and the one time I was wearing it, was with some friends and smoked one cig. I about had a heart attack! I would listen to the endo here...maybe ask him about the gum instead. Jody _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 WAIT !!! The patch can increase blood pressure . Yes, so does smoking, but when smoking, if he feels his BP going up ( even if he is not aware of exactly what is wrong), he will put the cigarette out. With the patch, the dang thing just keeps putting the stuff into your system without stopping. If he wants to use a patch, his symptoms and blood pressure must be under control first. Many doctors will suggest waiting until the worst symptoms are gone, as it is then easier to quit and stay quit. It just seems like this is all very early in the game, to throw one more thing into the mix. Goggles will protect the eyes. LOL I read that somewhere, and it makes sense. Though I think just going outside to smoke, with fresh air moving... and cutting down would be a first baby step. The gum would work too. He needs to be able to control his own feelings. -Pam- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 WAIT !!! The patch can increase blood pressure . Yes, so does smoking, but when smoking, if he feels his BP going up ( even if he is not aware of exactly what is wrong), he will put the cigarette out. With the patch, the dang thing just keeps putting the stuff into your system without stopping. If he wants to use a patch, his symptoms and blood pressure must be under control first. Many doctors will suggest waiting until the worst symptoms are gone, as it is then easier to quit and stay quit. It just seems like this is all very early in the game, to throw one more thing into the mix. Goggles will protect the eyes. LOL I read that somewhere, and it makes sense. Though I think just going outside to smoke, with fresh air moving... and cutting down would be a first baby step. The gum would work too. He needs to be able to control his own feelings. -Pam- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 WAIT !!! The patch can increase blood pressure . Yes, so does smoking, but when smoking, if he feels his BP going up ( even if he is not aware of exactly what is wrong), he will put the cigarette out. With the patch, the dang thing just keeps putting the stuff into your system without stopping. If he wants to use a patch, his symptoms and blood pressure must be under control first. Many doctors will suggest waiting until the worst symptoms are gone, as it is then easier to quit and stay quit. It just seems like this is all very early in the game, to throw one more thing into the mix. Goggles will protect the eyes. LOL I read that somewhere, and it makes sense. Though I think just going outside to smoke, with fresh air moving... and cutting down would be a first baby step. The gum would work too. He needs to be able to control his own feelings. -Pam- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 Well, I did not smoke a cigarette, had the patch on , felt funny, but kept working... fell off a ladder, after thinking I was having a heart attack or passing out ! Managed the fall without breaking anything, but I would never put one on again while hyper. -Pam- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 Well, I did not smoke a cigarette, had the patch on , felt funny, but kept working... fell off a ladder, after thinking I was having a heart attack or passing out ! Managed the fall without breaking anything, but I would never put one on again while hyper. -Pam- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 Well, I did not smoke a cigarette, had the patch on , felt funny, but kept working... fell off a ladder, after thinking I was having a heart attack or passing out ! Managed the fall without breaking anything, but I would never put one on again while hyper. -Pam- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 Jody, What about the Propranolol? this helps with the heart rate. Does it just cancel each other out? Jeff will never use the gum or quit cold turkey (I think, but he could prove me wrong) but if I can get enough info about the patch, maybe he would. ) > >Reply-To: graves_support >To: graves_support >Subject: Re: The smoking patch >Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:49:16 -0500 > >Shani, >I think the reason the endo said no to the patch is because it can raise >the >heart rate while on it. It did with me...and the one time I was wearing >it, >was with some friends and smoked one cig. I about had a heart attack! > >I would listen to the endo here...maybe ask him about the gum instead. >Jody > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 Jody, What about the Propranolol? this helps with the heart rate. Does it just cancel each other out? Jeff will never use the gum or quit cold turkey (I think, but he could prove me wrong) but if I can get enough info about the patch, maybe he would. ) > >Reply-To: graves_support >To: graves_support >Subject: Re: The smoking patch >Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:49:16 -0500 > >Shani, >I think the reason the endo said no to the patch is because it can raise >the >heart rate while on it. It did with me...and the one time I was wearing >it, >was with some friends and smoked one cig. I about had a heart attack! > >I would listen to the endo here...maybe ask him about the gum instead. >Jody > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 Goggles!!!!!! LOL I could just see him doing that! ) I think this info will help decide not to!! > >Reply-To: graves_support >To: graves_support >Subject: Re: The smoking patch >Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:03:53 -0800 > >WAIT !!! > >The patch can increase blood pressure . Yes, so does smoking, but when >smoking, if he >feels his BP going up ( even if he is not aware of exactly what is wrong), >he will put the >cigarette out. With the patch, the dang thing just keeps putting the stuff >into your >system without stopping. >If he wants to use a patch, his symptoms and blood pressure must be under >control first. >Many doctors will suggest waiting until the worst symptoms are gone, as it >is then easier >to quit and stay quit. > >It just seems like this is all very early in the game, to throw one more >thing into the mix. > >Goggles will protect the eyes. LOL I read that somewhere, and it makes >sense. Though I >think just going outside to smoke, with fresh air moving... and cutting >down would be a >first baby step. The gum would work too. He needs to be able to control his >own feelings. > >-Pam- > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 Goggles!!!!!! LOL I could just see him doing that! ) I think this info will help decide not to!! > >Reply-To: graves_support >To: graves_support >Subject: Re: The smoking patch >Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:03:53 -0800 > >WAIT !!! > >The patch can increase blood pressure . Yes, so does smoking, but when >smoking, if he >feels his BP going up ( even if he is not aware of exactly what is wrong), >he will put the >cigarette out. With the patch, the dang thing just keeps putting the stuff >into your >system without stopping. >If he wants to use a patch, his symptoms and blood pressure must be under >control first. >Many doctors will suggest waiting until the worst symptoms are gone, as it >is then easier >to quit and stay quit. > >It just seems like this is all very early in the game, to throw one more >thing into the mix. > >Goggles will protect the eyes. LOL I read that somewhere, and it makes >sense. Though I >think just going outside to smoke, with fresh air moving... and cutting >down would be a >first baby step. The gum would work too. He needs to be able to control his >own feelings. > >-Pam- > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 Goggles!!!!!! LOL I could just see him doing that! ) I think this info will help decide not to!! > >Reply-To: graves_support >To: graves_support >Subject: Re: The smoking patch >Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:03:53 -0800 > >WAIT !!! > >The patch can increase blood pressure . Yes, so does smoking, but when >smoking, if he >feels his BP going up ( even if he is not aware of exactly what is wrong), >he will put the >cigarette out. With the patch, the dang thing just keeps putting the stuff >into your >system without stopping. >If he wants to use a patch, his symptoms and blood pressure must be under >control first. >Many doctors will suggest waiting until the worst symptoms are gone, as it >is then easier >to quit and stay quit. > >It just seems like this is all very early in the game, to throw one more >thing into the mix. > >Goggles will protect the eyes. LOL I read that somewhere, and it makes >sense. Though I >think just going outside to smoke, with fresh air moving... and cutting >down would be a >first baby step. The gum would work too. He needs to be able to control his >own feelings. > >-Pam- > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 Hi Shani, If I were Jeff, with all he has going on right now,I would NOT use the patch, no matter what. Even in healthy people it was causing heart attacks...and if he had one on, got mad or upset and smoked anyhow, that would be asking for trouble. I still smoke, and yes I know I shouldn't but have had no lectures from my eye doctor about it either. I have cut way way back from where I use to be...3 packs a day...to less than a pack a day, we don't smoke in the house anymore, hubby quit cold turkey again on 1/1 of this year...and I eat lots of carrots and celery and drink lots and lots of water when I am *dying* for a cig. I also am very conscious of the clock and time my cig. and don't allow myself another one until at least 45 min. to an hour has gone by. I am planning on trying to quit again this summer when I am more active. As for Jeff, right now, I would not make this an issue with him. He has far to many things causing some major changes in his life right now as it is and pushing this on him on top of it is going to add way more stress and then the stress will make graves symptoms worse. Let him get through some of the crap with the graves, and do this his way. At least for now. When it is *his* idea to give up this drug, and it is a drug...he will do it. There is a good site at about.com for quitting smoking, but all on there say you have to WANT to do it. Jeff is being forced into and it probably won't be very successful for him the first time around and that will only add to his sense of failure. He is dealing with that just getting use to this disease. It is a guy thing, Shani. Men don't deal well with illness, especially their own, and forcing too many changes on him at once is libel to make him rebel and say screw it all and quit treatment completely for awhile. I am not saying he will do that, but there is that possibility. I do feel for him, he is having a very rough go of things, and with the insurance he has it is limiting him to his choice of doctors. Hang in here, and let Jeff know to hang in here too. When he is ready to give up the cig. he will...the seed has been planted and I can tell you once it is planted, it is never far from the surface. Hope I am making some sense here, and remember, as a smoker, this is my point of view. I did quit last year for 11 days and gained 6 pounds...I am not willing to do that, gain any more weight so I started again...that and a few other reasons. One of these days I will quit again, and hopefully that will be the successful time. But it won't be when I am stressing over something, that is for sure. Maybe right now, they are his crutch, something *he* can control. Take care, and didn't mean to go into lecture mode I just know how hard it is to quit, know how bad it is for me, and know no one else can tell me or force me to do it...it has to come from within! Maybe in a couple of months, if Jeff wants a quitting partner he and I can try this together? Jody _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 Hi Shani, If I were Jeff, with all he has going on right now,I would NOT use the patch, no matter what. Even in healthy people it was causing heart attacks...and if he had one on, got mad or upset and smoked anyhow, that would be asking for trouble. I still smoke, and yes I know I shouldn't but have had no lectures from my eye doctor about it either. I have cut way way back from where I use to be...3 packs a day...to less than a pack a day, we don't smoke in the house anymore, hubby quit cold turkey again on 1/1 of this year...and I eat lots of carrots and celery and drink lots and lots of water when I am *dying* for a cig. I also am very conscious of the clock and time my cig. and don't allow myself another one until at least 45 min. to an hour has gone by. I am planning on trying to quit again this summer when I am more active. As for Jeff, right now, I would not make this an issue with him. He has far to many things causing some major changes in his life right now as it is and pushing this on him on top of it is going to add way more stress and then the stress will make graves symptoms worse. Let him get through some of the crap with the graves, and do this his way. At least for now. When it is *his* idea to give up this drug, and it is a drug...he will do it. There is a good site at about.com for quitting smoking, but all on there say you have to WANT to do it. Jeff is being forced into and it probably won't be very successful for him the first time around and that will only add to his sense of failure. He is dealing with that just getting use to this disease. It is a guy thing, Shani. Men don't deal well with illness, especially their own, and forcing too many changes on him at once is libel to make him rebel and say screw it all and quit treatment completely for awhile. I am not saying he will do that, but there is that possibility. I do feel for him, he is having a very rough go of things, and with the insurance he has it is limiting him to his choice of doctors. Hang in here, and let Jeff know to hang in here too. When he is ready to give up the cig. he will...the seed has been planted and I can tell you once it is planted, it is never far from the surface. Hope I am making some sense here, and remember, as a smoker, this is my point of view. I did quit last year for 11 days and gained 6 pounds...I am not willing to do that, gain any more weight so I started again...that and a few other reasons. One of these days I will quit again, and hopefully that will be the successful time. But it won't be when I am stressing over something, that is for sure. Maybe right now, they are his crutch, something *he* can control. Take care, and didn't mean to go into lecture mode I just know how hard it is to quit, know how bad it is for me, and know no one else can tell me or force me to do it...it has to come from within! Maybe in a couple of months, if Jeff wants a quitting partner he and I can try this together? Jody _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 Jody.....Lecture away!! ) You are so right. I know he wants to quit but since the patch could cause more harm than good right now, smoking (in moderation) maybe the way to go like you said until he stabilizes some. I certainly don't want to see him stressing anymore than he does already. I am going to pass all this info along to him and let him know that when he's ready to quit you might be too. He's already feeling overwhelmed about all the meds he takes and now with the pancreatitis he already stated he didn't know how much more he can take. If he stops smoking too?????? LOL, wouldn't want to be in my house. ) Maybe I can get him to time his cigs also (if he's willing) and I'll keep trying to keep his meds in order. (He's getting tired of trying to remember them 5x's a day when I'm not there). We will all just continue to encourage him and hope this time passes. Take Care, Shani > >Reply-To: graves_support >To: graves_support >Subject: Re: The smoking patch >Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:54:50 -0500 > >Hi Shani, >If I were Jeff, with all he has going on right now,I would NOT use the >patch, no matter what. Even in healthy people it was causing heart >attacks...and if he had one on, got mad or upset and smoked anyhow, that >would be asking for trouble. > >I still smoke, and yes I know I shouldn't but have had no lectures from my >eye doctor about it either. I have cut way way back from where I use to >be...3 packs a day...to less than a pack a day, we don't smoke in the house >anymore, hubby quit cold turkey again on 1/1 of this year...and I eat lots >of carrots and celery and drink lots and lots of water when I am *dying* >for >a cig. I also am very conscious of the clock and time my cig. and don't >allow myself another one until at least 45 min. to an hour has gone by. I >am planning on trying to quit again this summer when I am more active. > >As for Jeff, right now, I would not make this an issue with him. He has far >to many things causing some major changes in his life right now as it is >and >pushing this on him on top of it is going to add way more stress and then >the stress will make graves symptoms worse. Let him get through some of >the >crap with the graves, and do this his way. At least for now. When it is >*his* idea to give up this drug, and it is a drug...he will do it. There >is >a good site at about.com for quitting smoking, but all on there say you >have >to WANT to do it. Jeff is being forced into and it probably won't be very >successful for him the first time around and that will only add to his >sense >of failure. He is dealing with that just getting use to this disease. It >is a guy thing, Shani. Men don't deal well with illness, especially their >own, and forcing too many changes on him at once is libel to make him rebel >and say screw it all and quit treatment completely for awhile. I am not >saying he will do that, but there is that possibility. > >I do feel for him, he is having a very rough go of things, and with the >insurance he has it is limiting him to his choice of doctors. Hang in >here, >and let Jeff know to hang in here too. When he is ready to give up the >cig. >he will...the seed has been planted and I can tell you once it is planted, >it is never far from the surface. > >Hope I am making some sense here, and remember, as a smoker, this is my >point of view. I did quit last year for 11 days and gained 6 pounds...I am >not willing to do that, gain any more weight so I started again...that and >a >few other reasons. One of these days I will quit again, and hopefully that >will be the successful time. But it won't be when I am stressing over >something, that is for sure. Maybe right now, they are his crutch, >something *he* can control. > >Take care, and didn't mean to go into lecture mode I just know how hard >it is to quit, know how bad it is for me, and know no one else can tell me >or force me to do it...it has to come from within! > >Maybe in a couple of months, if Jeff wants a quitting partner he and I can >try this together? >Jody > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 Jody.....Lecture away!! ) You are so right. I know he wants to quit but since the patch could cause more harm than good right now, smoking (in moderation) maybe the way to go like you said until he stabilizes some. I certainly don't want to see him stressing anymore than he does already. I am going to pass all this info along to him and let him know that when he's ready to quit you might be too. He's already feeling overwhelmed about all the meds he takes and now with the pancreatitis he already stated he didn't know how much more he can take. If he stops smoking too?????? LOL, wouldn't want to be in my house. ) Maybe I can get him to time his cigs also (if he's willing) and I'll keep trying to keep his meds in order. (He's getting tired of trying to remember them 5x's a day when I'm not there). We will all just continue to encourage him and hope this time passes. Take Care, Shani > >Reply-To: graves_support >To: graves_support >Subject: Re: The smoking patch >Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:54:50 -0500 > >Hi Shani, >If I were Jeff, with all he has going on right now,I would NOT use the >patch, no matter what. Even in healthy people it was causing heart >attacks...and if he had one on, got mad or upset and smoked anyhow, that >would be asking for trouble. > >I still smoke, and yes I know I shouldn't but have had no lectures from my >eye doctor about it either. I have cut way way back from where I use to >be...3 packs a day...to less than a pack a day, we don't smoke in the house >anymore, hubby quit cold turkey again on 1/1 of this year...and I eat lots >of carrots and celery and drink lots and lots of water when I am *dying* >for >a cig. I also am very conscious of the clock and time my cig. and don't >allow myself another one until at least 45 min. to an hour has gone by. I >am planning on trying to quit again this summer when I am more active. > >As for Jeff, right now, I would not make this an issue with him. He has far >to many things causing some major changes in his life right now as it is >and >pushing this on him on top of it is going to add way more stress and then >the stress will make graves symptoms worse. Let him get through some of >the >crap with the graves, and do this his way. At least for now. When it is >*his* idea to give up this drug, and it is a drug...he will do it. There >is >a good site at about.com for quitting smoking, but all on there say you >have >to WANT to do it. Jeff is being forced into and it probably won't be very >successful for him the first time around and that will only add to his >sense >of failure. He is dealing with that just getting use to this disease. It >is a guy thing, Shani. Men don't deal well with illness, especially their >own, and forcing too many changes on him at once is libel to make him rebel >and say screw it all and quit treatment completely for awhile. I am not >saying he will do that, but there is that possibility. > >I do feel for him, he is having a very rough go of things, and with the >insurance he has it is limiting him to his choice of doctors. Hang in >here, >and let Jeff know to hang in here too. When he is ready to give up the >cig. >he will...the seed has been planted and I can tell you once it is planted, >it is never far from the surface. > >Hope I am making some sense here, and remember, as a smoker, this is my >point of view. I did quit last year for 11 days and gained 6 pounds...I am >not willing to do that, gain any more weight so I started again...that and >a >few other reasons. One of these days I will quit again, and hopefully that >will be the successful time. But it won't be when I am stressing over >something, that is for sure. Maybe right now, they are his crutch, >something *he* can control. > >Take care, and didn't mean to go into lecture mode I just know how hard >it is to quit, know how bad it is for me, and know no one else can tell me >or force me to do it...it has to come from within! > >Maybe in a couple of months, if Jeff wants a quitting partner he and I can >try this together? >Jody > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 Jody.....Lecture away!! ) You are so right. I know he wants to quit but since the patch could cause more harm than good right now, smoking (in moderation) maybe the way to go like you said until he stabilizes some. I certainly don't want to see him stressing anymore than he does already. I am going to pass all this info along to him and let him know that when he's ready to quit you might be too. He's already feeling overwhelmed about all the meds he takes and now with the pancreatitis he already stated he didn't know how much more he can take. If he stops smoking too?????? LOL, wouldn't want to be in my house. ) Maybe I can get him to time his cigs also (if he's willing) and I'll keep trying to keep his meds in order. (He's getting tired of trying to remember them 5x's a day when I'm not there). We will all just continue to encourage him and hope this time passes. Take Care, Shani > >Reply-To: graves_support >To: graves_support >Subject: Re: The smoking patch >Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:54:50 -0500 > >Hi Shani, >If I were Jeff, with all he has going on right now,I would NOT use the >patch, no matter what. Even in healthy people it was causing heart >attacks...and if he had one on, got mad or upset and smoked anyhow, that >would be asking for trouble. > >I still smoke, and yes I know I shouldn't but have had no lectures from my >eye doctor about it either. I have cut way way back from where I use to >be...3 packs a day...to less than a pack a day, we don't smoke in the house >anymore, hubby quit cold turkey again on 1/1 of this year...and I eat lots >of carrots and celery and drink lots and lots of water when I am *dying* >for >a cig. I also am very conscious of the clock and time my cig. and don't >allow myself another one until at least 45 min. to an hour has gone by. I >am planning on trying to quit again this summer when I am more active. > >As for Jeff, right now, I would not make this an issue with him. He has far >to many things causing some major changes in his life right now as it is >and >pushing this on him on top of it is going to add way more stress and then >the stress will make graves symptoms worse. Let him get through some of >the >crap with the graves, and do this his way. At least for now. When it is >*his* idea to give up this drug, and it is a drug...he will do it. There >is >a good site at about.com for quitting smoking, but all on there say you >have >to WANT to do it. Jeff is being forced into and it probably won't be very >successful for him the first time around and that will only add to his >sense >of failure. He is dealing with that just getting use to this disease. It >is a guy thing, Shani. Men don't deal well with illness, especially their >own, and forcing too many changes on him at once is libel to make him rebel >and say screw it all and quit treatment completely for awhile. I am not >saying he will do that, but there is that possibility. > >I do feel for him, he is having a very rough go of things, and with the >insurance he has it is limiting him to his choice of doctors. Hang in >here, >and let Jeff know to hang in here too. When he is ready to give up the >cig. >he will...the seed has been planted and I can tell you once it is planted, >it is never far from the surface. > >Hope I am making some sense here, and remember, as a smoker, this is my >point of view. I did quit last year for 11 days and gained 6 pounds...I am >not willing to do that, gain any more weight so I started again...that and >a >few other reasons. One of these days I will quit again, and hopefully that >will be the successful time. But it won't be when I am stressing over >something, that is for sure. Maybe right now, they are his crutch, >something *he* can control. > >Take care, and didn't mean to go into lecture mode I just know how hard >it is to quit, know how bad it is for me, and know no one else can tell me >or force me to do it...it has to come from within! > >Maybe in a couple of months, if Jeff wants a quitting partner he and I can >try this together? >Jody > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 Doris, I really, really, really, don't want him going into that tailspin either. With all this great feedback from everyone I'm sure he wont do the patch. ***wait till he see's all the emails I printed out on this subject for him from you all. >From: k9mom1@... >Reply-To: graves_support >To: graves_support >Subject: Re: The smoking patch >Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:56:36 EST > >Shani, >I'd listen to the Endo. You can NOT smoke on the patch at all. No >cheating >whatsoever. > >I'm a smoker too, but only have mild eye disease. I agreed with my Endo to >cut down but not quit while I was hyper because I knew that trying to quit >would throw me into an emotional tailspin and really, really, really stress >me out. At the time, the Endo was more worried about that with me than the >smoking that I did. > >But I realize Jeff's case is different and his eyes sound much worse than >mine were. Again, I'd listen to the Endo. > >Doris > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 Doris, I really, really, really, don't want him going into that tailspin either. With all this great feedback from everyone I'm sure he wont do the patch. ***wait till he see's all the emails I printed out on this subject for him from you all. >From: k9mom1@... >Reply-To: graves_support >To: graves_support >Subject: Re: The smoking patch >Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:56:36 EST > >Shani, >I'd listen to the Endo. You can NOT smoke on the patch at all. No >cheating >whatsoever. > >I'm a smoker too, but only have mild eye disease. I agreed with my Endo to >cut down but not quit while I was hyper because I knew that trying to quit >would throw me into an emotional tailspin and really, really, really stress >me out. At the time, the Endo was more worried about that with me than the >smoking that I did. > >But I realize Jeff's case is different and his eyes sound much worse than >mine were. Again, I'd listen to the Endo. > >Doris > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 Doris, I really, really, really, don't want him going into that tailspin either. With all this great feedback from everyone I'm sure he wont do the patch. ***wait till he see's all the emails I printed out on this subject for him from you all. >From: k9mom1@... >Reply-To: graves_support >To: graves_support >Subject: Re: The smoking patch >Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:56:36 EST > >Shani, >I'd listen to the Endo. You can NOT smoke on the patch at all. No >cheating >whatsoever. > >I'm a smoker too, but only have mild eye disease. I agreed with my Endo to >cut down but not quit while I was hyper because I knew that trying to quit >would throw me into an emotional tailspin and really, really, really stress >me out. At the time, the Endo was more worried about that with me than the >smoking that I did. > >But I realize Jeff's case is different and his eyes sound much worse than >mine were. Again, I'd listen to the Endo. > >Doris > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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