Guest guest Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 Amen! I also had my days in the 7th circle of hell called Rural / Metro. UGH!! They do have some good PEOPLE, but their business practices are questionable, at best. I had it so bad in the operation where I worked that I was crying and throwing up before *every* shift for about 4 months. SO glad I managed to escape with my patch and my sanity! I can kinda understand " Raven's " ravings... I noticed that if you aren't in the " clique " it can be a more hostile environment. Not that I agree necessarily with what she said in her post. I can't qualify it since I was never in *her* operation or position. Simply saying I understand her frustration. We all experience it at one time or another... -WalksAlone Wayne Edgin wrote: , I hope it ruins Rural/Metro as a whole. They are known for screwing people in a real harsh way. --- Brown wrote: > " Mr. Heffner, start making out the > check..................... " > > Well, there's your problem right there. I wondered > where that hatchet-man > went. The original " meat in the seat " man himself. I > hope this thing ruins > MedStar. The people in Ft. Worth deserve better. I'm > POSITIVE that they own > some good people, and I'm in no way taking a swipe > at them, but having > worked under the BooMeister hisself once, I > understand EVERYTHING I need to > know about why things occurred the way they did. > Sigh..... > magnetass sends __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 Amen! I also had my days in the 7th circle of hell called Rural / Metro. UGH!! They do have some good PEOPLE, but their business practices are questionable, at best. I had it so bad in the operation where I worked that I was crying and throwing up before *every* shift for about 4 months. SO glad I managed to escape with my patch and my sanity! I can kinda understand " Raven's " ravings... I noticed that if you aren't in the " clique " it can be a more hostile environment. Not that I agree necessarily with what she said in her post. I can't qualify it since I was never in *her* operation or position. Simply saying I understand her frustration. We all experience it at one time or another... -WalksAlone Wayne Edgin wrote: , I hope it ruins Rural/Metro as a whole. They are known for screwing people in a real harsh way. --- Brown wrote: > " Mr. Heffner, start making out the > check..................... " > > Well, there's your problem right there. I wondered > where that hatchet-man > went. The original " meat in the seat " man himself. I > hope this thing ruins > MedStar. The people in Ft. Worth deserve better. I'm > POSITIVE that they own > some good people, and I'm in no way taking a swipe > at them, but having > worked under the BooMeister hisself once, I > understand EVERYTHING I need to > know about why things occurred the way they did. > Sigh..... > magnetass sends __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 Amen! I also had my days in the 7th circle of hell called Rural / Metro. UGH!! They do have some good PEOPLE, but their business practices are questionable, at best. I had it so bad in the operation where I worked that I was crying and throwing up before *every* shift for about 4 months. SO glad I managed to escape with my patch and my sanity! I can kinda understand " Raven's " ravings... I noticed that if you aren't in the " clique " it can be a more hostile environment. Not that I agree necessarily with what she said in her post. I can't qualify it since I was never in *her* operation or position. Simply saying I understand her frustration. We all experience it at one time or another... -WalksAlone Wayne Edgin wrote: , I hope it ruins Rural/Metro as a whole. They are known for screwing people in a real harsh way. --- Brown wrote: > " Mr. Heffner, start making out the > check..................... " > > Well, there's your problem right there. I wondered > where that hatchet-man > went. The original " meat in the seat " man himself. I > hope this thing ruins > MedStar. The people in Ft. Worth deserve better. I'm > POSITIVE that they own > some good people, and I'm in no way taking a swipe > at them, but having > worked under the BooMeister hisself once, I > understand EVERYTHING I need to > know about why things occurred the way they did. > Sigh..... > magnetass sends __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 Any time EMS is focused on PROFIT, you get the types of managers that proiritize PROFIT over people. Being that EMS generally uses people as managers who have little, if any, true supervisory or business training, we get what we ask for. No, EMS cannot be a " red-ink " hemorrage. But, to think that EMS should make money for any governmental entity is absurd. Our streets departments don't make money - our school systems don't make money - our police departments don't make money... but without them, a city would be unable to attract the businesses and residents necessary to generate revenues and make money as a whole. EMS is a part, and it's a part designed to be run in-the-red so that other parts of the fiscal system of government can attract the resources they need to generate true revenue. Fort Worth would likely, at this point, be best-served by FWFD taking over EMS. Just my $.02. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 Any time EMS is focused on PROFIT, you get the types of managers that proiritize PROFIT over people. Being that EMS generally uses people as managers who have little, if any, true supervisory or business training, we get what we ask for. No, EMS cannot be a " red-ink " hemorrage. But, to think that EMS should make money for any governmental entity is absurd. Our streets departments don't make money - our school systems don't make money - our police departments don't make money... but without them, a city would be unable to attract the businesses and residents necessary to generate revenues and make money as a whole. EMS is a part, and it's a part designed to be run in-the-red so that other parts of the fiscal system of government can attract the resources they need to generate true revenue. Fort Worth would likely, at this point, be best-served by FWFD taking over EMS. Just my $.02. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 F.D. does not want that albatross. That is a well known fact.I think that Tarrant County ESD 1 and the AMAA need to merge and use Med Star the way it was designed,as a County-wide EMS System.But do it with a lot of safeguards and more hands on management. But that point[management] would be like pulling teeth from a rabid dog. You will get bitten. --- Mike wrote: > Any time EMS is focused on PROFIT, you get the types > of managers that > proiritize PROFIT over people. Being that EMS > generally uses people > as managers who have little, if any, true > supervisory or business > training, we get what we ask for. > > No, EMS cannot be a " red-ink " hemorrage. But, to > think that EMS > should make money for any governmental entity is > absurd. Our streets > departments don't make money - our school systems > don't make money - > our police departments don't make money... but > without them, a city > would be unable to attract the businesses and > residents necessary to > generate revenues and make money as a whole. > > EMS is a part, and it's a part designed to be run > in-the-red so that > other parts of the fiscal system of government can > attract the > resources they need to generate true revenue. > > Fort Worth would likely, at this point, be > best-served by FWFD taking over EMS. > > Just my $.02. > > Mike > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 F.D. does not want that albatross. That is a well known fact.I think that Tarrant County ESD 1 and the AMAA need to merge and use Med Star the way it was designed,as a County-wide EMS System.But do it with a lot of safeguards and more hands on management. But that point[management] would be like pulling teeth from a rabid dog. You will get bitten. --- Mike wrote: > Any time EMS is focused on PROFIT, you get the types > of managers that > proiritize PROFIT over people. Being that EMS > generally uses people > as managers who have little, if any, true > supervisory or business > training, we get what we ask for. > > No, EMS cannot be a " red-ink " hemorrage. But, to > think that EMS > should make money for any governmental entity is > absurd. Our streets > departments don't make money - our school systems > don't make money - > our police departments don't make money... but > without them, a city > would be unable to attract the businesses and > residents necessary to > generate revenues and make money as a whole. > > EMS is a part, and it's a part designed to be run > in-the-red so that > other parts of the fiscal system of government can > attract the > resources they need to generate true revenue. > > Fort Worth would likely, at this point, be > best-served by FWFD taking over EMS. > > Just my $.02. > > Mike > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 F.D. does not want that albatross. That is a well known fact.I think that Tarrant County ESD 1 and the AMAA need to merge and use Med Star the way it was designed,as a County-wide EMS System.But do it with a lot of safeguards and more hands on management. But that point[management] would be like pulling teeth from a rabid dog. You will get bitten. --- Mike wrote: > Any time EMS is focused on PROFIT, you get the types > of managers that > proiritize PROFIT over people. Being that EMS > generally uses people > as managers who have little, if any, true > supervisory or business > training, we get what we ask for. > > No, EMS cannot be a " red-ink " hemorrage. But, to > think that EMS > should make money for any governmental entity is > absurd. Our streets > departments don't make money - our school systems > don't make money - > our police departments don't make money... but > without them, a city > would be unable to attract the businesses and > residents necessary to > generate revenues and make money as a whole. > > EMS is a part, and it's a part designed to be run > in-the-red so that > other parts of the fiscal system of government can > attract the > resources they need to generate true revenue. > > Fort Worth would likely, at this point, be > best-served by FWFD taking over EMS. > > Just my $.02. > > Mike > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 The point is - FWFD has the infrastructure in place to support such a system. Living in central texas, I certainly agree that county-based EMS systems have their strong points and seem to be a good balance for serving the citizens of the region. BUT, in Fort Worth, especially with the plethora of smaller cities in Tarrant County, would a county-wide EMS system be the best bet, or should those cities which haven't instituted their own EMS system just step up and do it? I don't live there, so I don't know - I'm just asking. It's obvious that R/M, as a contracted provider to MedStar, is having continuing problems. So the question is, why is the Authority allowing it, and who are THEY responsible to? Mike > > F.D. does not want that albatross. That is a well > known fact.I think that Tarrant County ESD 1 and > the AMAA need to merge and use Med Star the way it was > designed,as a County-wide EMS System.But do it > with a lot of safeguards and more hands on management. > But that point[management] would be like pulling teeth > from a > rabid dog. You will get bitten. > --- Mike wrote: > > > Any time EMS is focused on PROFIT, you get the types > > of managers that > > proiritize PROFIT over people. Being that EMS > > generally uses people > > as managers who have little, if any, true > > supervisory or business > > training, we get what we ask for. > > > > No, EMS cannot be a " red-ink " hemorrage. But, to > > think that EMS > > should make money for any governmental entity is > > absurd. Our streets > > departments don't make money - our school systems > > don't make money - > > our police departments don't make money... but > > without them, a city > > would be unable to attract the businesses and > > residents necessary to > > generate revenues and make money as a whole. > > > > EMS is a part, and it's a part designed to be run > > in-the-red so that > > other parts of the fiscal system of government can > > attract the > > resources they need to generate true revenue. > > > > Fort Worth would likely, at this point, be > > best-served by FWFD taking over EMS. > > > > Just my $.02. > > > > Mike > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 The AMAA is governmental agency. Some of the smaller cities,have gone ahead and started EMS Services,Watauga,Hurst,and Euless. But they dropped out of Med Star years ago. Now Haltom City and Saginaw are exploring the options. But,again if The Authority uses the Austin System to build on,they will mature into a good system. If F.D. takes over,all of the medics at the Star will need Fire Certs,and that take time and money that the city just wont put out. But if the ESD and the Authority merges,the revenue is there to support the system,as it is a tax-based program seperate from other agencies.Also,the Authority would save 2 million a year as no more subsidized contract with R/M would be in effect. --- Mike wrote: > The point is - FWFD has the infrastructure in place > to support such a > system. Living in central texas, I certainly agree > that county-based > EMS systems have their strong points and seem to be > a good balance for > serving the citizens of the region. > > BUT, in Fort Worth, especially with the plethora of > smaller cities in > Tarrant County, would a county-wide EMS system be > the best bet, or > should those cities which haven't instituted their > own EMS system just > step up and do it? > > I don't live there, so I don't know - I'm just > asking. > > It's obvious that R/M, as a contracted provider to > MedStar, is having > continuing problems. So the question is, why is the > Authority > allowing it, and who are THEY responsible to? > > Mike > > > On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:32:39 -0800 (PST), Wayne > Edgin wrote: > > > > F.D. does not want that albatross. That is a well > > known fact.I think that Tarrant County ESD 1 and > > the AMAA need to merge and use Med Star the way it > was > > designed,as a County-wide EMS System.But do it > > with a lot of safeguards and more hands on > management. > > But that point[management] would be like pulling > teeth > > from a > > rabid dog. You will get bitten. > > --- Mike wrote: > > > > > Any time EMS is focused on PROFIT, you get the > types > > > of managers that > > > proiritize PROFIT over people. Being that EMS > > > generally uses people > > > as managers who have little, if any, true > > > supervisory or business > > > training, we get what we ask for. > > > > > > No, EMS cannot be a " red-ink " hemorrage. But, > to > > > think that EMS > > > should make money for any governmental entity is > > > absurd. Our streets > > > departments don't make money - our school > systems > > > don't make money - > > > our police departments don't make money... but > > > without them, a city > > > would be unable to attract the businesses and > > > residents necessary to > > > generate revenues and make money as a whole. > > > > > > EMS is a part, and it's a part designed to be > run > > > in-the-red so that > > > other parts of the fiscal system of government > can > > > attract the > > > resources they need to generate true revenue. > > > > > > Fort Worth would likely, at this point, be > > > best-served by FWFD taking over EMS. > > > > > > Just my $.02. > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 What type of agency are they? Are they appointed to a board, or elected? Who appoints them? In other words, how do you put pressure on THEM to change things? Mike > > The AMAA is governmental agency. Some of the smaller > cities,have gone ahead and started EMS > Services,Watauga,Hurst,and Euless. But they dropped > out of Med Star years ago. Now Haltom City and Saginaw > are exploring the options. But,again if The Authority > uses the Austin System to build on,they will mature > into a good system. If F.D. takes over,all of the > medics at the Star will need Fire Certs,and that take > time and money that the city just wont put out. But if > the ESD and the Authority merges,the revenue is there > to support the system,as it is a tax-based program > seperate from other agencies.Also,the Authority would > save 2 million a year as no more subsidized contract > with R/M would be in effect. > --- Mike wrote: > > > The point is - FWFD has the infrastructure in place > > to support such a > > system. Living in central texas, I certainly agree > > that county-based > > EMS systems have their strong points and seem to be > > a good balance for > > serving the citizens of the region. > > > > BUT, in Fort Worth, especially with the plethora of > > smaller cities in > > Tarrant County, would a county-wide EMS system be > > the best bet, or > > should those cities which haven't instituted their > > own EMS system just > > step up and do it? > > > > I don't live there, so I don't know - I'm just > > asking. > > > > It's obvious that R/M, as a contracted provider to > > MedStar, is having > > continuing problems. So the question is, why is the > > Authority > > allowing it, and who are THEY responsible to? > > > > Mike > > > > > > On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:32:39 -0800 (PST), Wayne > > Edgin wrote: > > > > > > F.D. does not want that albatross. That is a well > > > known fact.I think that Tarrant County ESD 1 and > > > the AMAA need to merge and use Med Star the way it > > was > > > designed,as a County-wide EMS System.But do it > > > with a lot of safeguards and more hands on > > management. > > > But that point[management] would be like pulling > > teeth > > > from a > > > rabid dog. You will get bitten. > > > --- Mike wrote: > > > > > > > Any time EMS is focused on PROFIT, you get the > > types > > > > of managers that > > > > proiritize PROFIT over people. Being that EMS > > > > generally uses people > > > > as managers who have little, if any, true > > > > supervisory or business > > > > training, we get what we ask for. > > > > > > > > No, EMS cannot be a " red-ink " hemorrage. But, > > to > > > > think that EMS > > > > should make money for any governmental entity is > > > > absurd. Our streets > > > > departments don't make money - our school > > systems > > > > don't make money - > > > > our police departments don't make money... but > > > > without them, a city > > > > would be unable to attract the businesses and > > > > residents necessary to > > > > generate revenues and make money as a whole. > > > > > > > > EMS is a part, and it's a part designed to be > > run > > > > in-the-red so that > > > > other parts of the fiscal system of government > > can > > > > attract the > > > > resources they need to generate true revenue. > > > > > > > > Fort Worth would likely, at this point, be > > > > best-served by FWFD taking over EMS. > > > > > > > > Just my $.02. > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 What type of agency are they? Are they appointed to a board, or elected? Who appoints them? In other words, how do you put pressure on THEM to change things? Mike > > The AMAA is governmental agency. Some of the smaller > cities,have gone ahead and started EMS > Services,Watauga,Hurst,and Euless. But they dropped > out of Med Star years ago. Now Haltom City and Saginaw > are exploring the options. But,again if The Authority > uses the Austin System to build on,they will mature > into a good system. If F.D. takes over,all of the > medics at the Star will need Fire Certs,and that take > time and money that the city just wont put out. But if > the ESD and the Authority merges,the revenue is there > to support the system,as it is a tax-based program > seperate from other agencies.Also,the Authority would > save 2 million a year as no more subsidized contract > with R/M would be in effect. > --- Mike wrote: > > > The point is - FWFD has the infrastructure in place > > to support such a > > system. Living in central texas, I certainly agree > > that county-based > > EMS systems have their strong points and seem to be > > a good balance for > > serving the citizens of the region. > > > > BUT, in Fort Worth, especially with the plethora of > > smaller cities in > > Tarrant County, would a county-wide EMS system be > > the best bet, or > > should those cities which haven't instituted their > > own EMS system just > > step up and do it? > > > > I don't live there, so I don't know - I'm just > > asking. > > > > It's obvious that R/M, as a contracted provider to > > MedStar, is having > > continuing problems. So the question is, why is the > > Authority > > allowing it, and who are THEY responsible to? > > > > Mike > > > > > > On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:32:39 -0800 (PST), Wayne > > Edgin wrote: > > > > > > F.D. does not want that albatross. That is a well > > > known fact.I think that Tarrant County ESD 1 and > > > the AMAA need to merge and use Med Star the way it > > was > > > designed,as a County-wide EMS System.But do it > > > with a lot of safeguards and more hands on > > management. > > > But that point[management] would be like pulling > > teeth > > > from a > > > rabid dog. You will get bitten. > > > --- Mike wrote: > > > > > > > Any time EMS is focused on PROFIT, you get the > > types > > > > of managers that > > > > proiritize PROFIT over people. Being that EMS > > > > generally uses people > > > > as managers who have little, if any, true > > > > supervisory or business > > > > training, we get what we ask for. > > > > > > > > No, EMS cannot be a " red-ink " hemorrage. But, > > to > > > > think that EMS > > > > should make money for any governmental entity is > > > > absurd. Our streets > > > > departments don't make money - our school > > systems > > > > don't make money - > > > > our police departments don't make money... but > > > > without them, a city > > > > would be unable to attract the businesses and > > > > residents necessary to > > > > generate revenues and make money as a whole. > > > > > > > > EMS is a part, and it's a part designed to be > > run > > > > in-the-red so that > > > > other parts of the fiscal system of government > > can > > > > attract the > > > > resources they need to generate true revenue. > > > > > > > > Fort Worth would likely, at this point, be > > > > best-served by FWFD taking over EMS. > > > > > > > > Just my $.02. > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 What type of agency are they? Are they appointed to a board, or elected? Who appoints them? In other words, how do you put pressure on THEM to change things? Mike > > The AMAA is governmental agency. Some of the smaller > cities,have gone ahead and started EMS > Services,Watauga,Hurst,and Euless. But they dropped > out of Med Star years ago. Now Haltom City and Saginaw > are exploring the options. But,again if The Authority > uses the Austin System to build on,they will mature > into a good system. If F.D. takes over,all of the > medics at the Star will need Fire Certs,and that take > time and money that the city just wont put out. But if > the ESD and the Authority merges,the revenue is there > to support the system,as it is a tax-based program > seperate from other agencies.Also,the Authority would > save 2 million a year as no more subsidized contract > with R/M would be in effect. > --- Mike wrote: > > > The point is - FWFD has the infrastructure in place > > to support such a > > system. Living in central texas, I certainly agree > > that county-based > > EMS systems have their strong points and seem to be > > a good balance for > > serving the citizens of the region. > > > > BUT, in Fort Worth, especially with the plethora of > > smaller cities in > > Tarrant County, would a county-wide EMS system be > > the best bet, or > > should those cities which haven't instituted their > > own EMS system just > > step up and do it? > > > > I don't live there, so I don't know - I'm just > > asking. > > > > It's obvious that R/M, as a contracted provider to > > MedStar, is having > > continuing problems. So the question is, why is the > > Authority > > allowing it, and who are THEY responsible to? > > > > Mike > > > > > > On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:32:39 -0800 (PST), Wayne > > Edgin wrote: > > > > > > F.D. does not want that albatross. That is a well > > > known fact.I think that Tarrant County ESD 1 and > > > the AMAA need to merge and use Med Star the way it > > was > > > designed,as a County-wide EMS System.But do it > > > with a lot of safeguards and more hands on > > management. > > > But that point[management] would be like pulling > > teeth > > > from a > > > rabid dog. You will get bitten. > > > --- Mike wrote: > > > > > > > Any time EMS is focused on PROFIT, you get the > > types > > > > of managers that > > > > proiritize PROFIT over people. Being that EMS > > > > generally uses people > > > > as managers who have little, if any, true > > > > supervisory or business > > > > training, we get what we ask for. > > > > > > > > No, EMS cannot be a " red-ink " hemorrage. But, > > to > > > > think that EMS > > > > should make money for any governmental entity is > > > > absurd. Our streets > > > > departments don't make money - our school > > systems > > > > don't make money - > > > > our police departments don't make money... but > > > > without them, a city > > > > would be unable to attract the businesses and > > > > residents necessary to > > > > generate revenues and make money as a whole. > > > > > > > > EMS is a part, and it's a part designed to be > > run > > > > in-the-red so that > > > > other parts of the fiscal system of government > > can > > > > attract the > > > > resources they need to generate true revenue. > > > > > > > > Fort Worth would likely, at this point, be > > > > best-served by FWFD taking over EMS. > > > > > > > > Just my $.02. > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 > > If F.D. takes over,all of the > medics at the Star will need Fire Certs,and that take > time and money that the city just wont put out. My personal recommendation would be to not hire the MedStar medics (and they couldn't, anyway, under Civil Service rules). My advice would be to give the MedStar medics that want to time to apply with FWFD under the Civil Service process and set the transition date far enough out to hire and train enough FWFD staff as medics to simply switch over in parallel. As FWFD brings up units, MedStar cuts units until FWFD has enough to cover the city, and MedStar is gone. Of course, you have to figure out county-area coverage, and smaller cities need time to figure out what to do themselves. I'm not suggesting an overnight cutover... Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 > > If F.D. takes over,all of the > medics at the Star will need Fire Certs,and that take > time and money that the city just wont put out. My personal recommendation would be to not hire the MedStar medics (and they couldn't, anyway, under Civil Service rules). My advice would be to give the MedStar medics that want to time to apply with FWFD under the Civil Service process and set the transition date far enough out to hire and train enough FWFD staff as medics to simply switch over in parallel. As FWFD brings up units, MedStar cuts units until FWFD has enough to cover the city, and MedStar is gone. Of course, you have to figure out county-area coverage, and smaller cities need time to figure out what to do themselves. I'm not suggesting an overnight cutover... Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 > > If F.D. takes over,all of the > medics at the Star will need Fire Certs,and that take > time and money that the city just wont put out. My personal recommendation would be to not hire the MedStar medics (and they couldn't, anyway, under Civil Service rules). My advice would be to give the MedStar medics that want to time to apply with FWFD under the Civil Service process and set the transition date far enough out to hire and train enough FWFD staff as medics to simply switch over in parallel. As FWFD brings up units, MedStar cuts units until FWFD has enough to cover the city, and MedStar is gone. Of course, you have to figure out county-area coverage, and smaller cities need time to figure out what to do themselves. I'm not suggesting an overnight cutover... Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 If the Authority had any brains they would place R/M in default of their contract and either take over or bring in another provider.PPI is operating EMSA in OKC and Tulsa, and doing a damn fine job at it.There are other options other than R/M. --- Wayne Edgin wrote: > The AMAA is governmental agency. Some of the smaller > cities,have gone ahead and started EMS > Services,Watauga,Hurst,and Euless. But they dropped > out of Med Star years ago. Now Haltom City and > Saginaw > are exploring the options. But,again if The > Authority > uses the Austin System to build on,they will mature > into a good system. If F.D. takes over,all of the > medics at the Star will need Fire Certs,and that > take > time and money that the city just wont put out. But > if > the ESD and the Authority merges,the revenue is > there > to support the system,as it is a tax-based program > seperate from other agencies.Also,the Authority > would > save 2 million a year as no more subsidized contract > with R/M would be in effect. > --- Mike wrote: > > > The point is - FWFD has the infrastructure in > place > > to support such a > > system. Living in central texas, I certainly > agree > > that county-based > > EMS systems have their strong points and seem to > be > > a good balance for > > serving the citizens of the region. > > > > BUT, in Fort Worth, especially with the plethora > of > > smaller cities in > > Tarrant County, would a county-wide EMS system be > > the best bet, or > > should those cities which haven't instituted their > > own EMS system just > > step up and do it? > > > > I don't live there, so I don't know - I'm just > > asking. > > > > It's obvious that R/M, as a contracted provider to > > MedStar, is having > > continuing problems. So the question is, why is > the > > Authority > > allowing it, and who are THEY responsible to? > > > > Mike > > > > > > On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:32:39 -0800 (PST), Wayne > > Edgin wrote: > > > > > > F.D. does not want that albatross. That is a > well > > > known fact.I think that Tarrant County ESD 1 and > > > the AMAA need to merge and use Med Star the way > it > > was > > > designed,as a County-wide EMS System.But do it > > > with a lot of safeguards and more hands on > > management. > > > But that point[management] would be like pulling > > teeth > > > from a > > > rabid dog. You will get bitten. > > > --- Mike wrote: > > > > > > > Any time EMS is focused on PROFIT, you get the > > types > > > > of managers that > > > > proiritize PROFIT over people. Being that EMS > > > > generally uses people > > > > as managers who have little, if any, true > > > > supervisory or business > > > > training, we get what we ask for. > > > > > > > > No, EMS cannot be a " red-ink " hemorrage. But, > > to > > > > think that EMS > > > > should make money for any governmental entity > is > > > > absurd. Our streets > > > > departments don't make money - our school > > systems > > > > don't make money - > > > > our police departments don't make money... but > > > > without them, a city > > > > would be unable to attract the businesses and > > > > residents necessary to > > > > generate revenues and make money as a whole. > > > > > > > > EMS is a part, and it's a part designed to be > > run > > > > in-the-red so that > > > > other parts of the fiscal system of government > > can > > > > attract the > > > > resources they need to generate true revenue. > > > > > > > > Fort Worth would likely, at this point, be > > > > best-served by FWFD taking over EMS. > > > > > > > > Just my $.02. > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 If the Authority had any brains they would place R/M in default of their contract and either take over or bring in another provider.PPI is operating EMSA in OKC and Tulsa, and doing a damn fine job at it.There are other options other than R/M. --- Wayne Edgin wrote: > The AMAA is governmental agency. Some of the smaller > cities,have gone ahead and started EMS > Services,Watauga,Hurst,and Euless. But they dropped > out of Med Star years ago. Now Haltom City and > Saginaw > are exploring the options. But,again if The > Authority > uses the Austin System to build on,they will mature > into a good system. If F.D. takes over,all of the > medics at the Star will need Fire Certs,and that > take > time and money that the city just wont put out. But > if > the ESD and the Authority merges,the revenue is > there > to support the system,as it is a tax-based program > seperate from other agencies.Also,the Authority > would > save 2 million a year as no more subsidized contract > with R/M would be in effect. > --- Mike wrote: > > > The point is - FWFD has the infrastructure in > place > > to support such a > > system. Living in central texas, I certainly > agree > > that county-based > > EMS systems have their strong points and seem to > be > > a good balance for > > serving the citizens of the region. > > > > BUT, in Fort Worth, especially with the plethora > of > > smaller cities in > > Tarrant County, would a county-wide EMS system be > > the best bet, or > > should those cities which haven't instituted their > > own EMS system just > > step up and do it? > > > > I don't live there, so I don't know - I'm just > > asking. > > > > It's obvious that R/M, as a contracted provider to > > MedStar, is having > > continuing problems. So the question is, why is > the > > Authority > > allowing it, and who are THEY responsible to? > > > > Mike > > > > > > On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:32:39 -0800 (PST), Wayne > > Edgin wrote: > > > > > > F.D. does not want that albatross. That is a > well > > > known fact.I think that Tarrant County ESD 1 and > > > the AMAA need to merge and use Med Star the way > it > > was > > > designed,as a County-wide EMS System.But do it > > > with a lot of safeguards and more hands on > > management. > > > But that point[management] would be like pulling > > teeth > > > from a > > > rabid dog. You will get bitten. > > > --- Mike wrote: > > > > > > > Any time EMS is focused on PROFIT, you get the > > types > > > > of managers that > > > > proiritize PROFIT over people. Being that EMS > > > > generally uses people > > > > as managers who have little, if any, true > > > > supervisory or business > > > > training, we get what we ask for. > > > > > > > > No, EMS cannot be a " red-ink " hemorrage. But, > > to > > > > think that EMS > > > > should make money for any governmental entity > is > > > > absurd. Our streets > > > > departments don't make money - our school > > systems > > > > don't make money - > > > > our police departments don't make money... but > > > > without them, a city > > > > would be unable to attract the businesses and > > > > residents necessary to > > > > generate revenues and make money as a whole. > > > > > > > > EMS is a part, and it's a part designed to be > > run > > > > in-the-red so that > > > > other parts of the fiscal system of government > > can > > > > attract the > > > > resources they need to generate true revenue. > > > > > > > > Fort Worth would likely, at this point, be > > > > best-served by FWFD taking over EMS. > > > > > > > > Just my $.02. > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 If the Authority had any brains they would place R/M in default of their contract and either take over or bring in another provider.PPI is operating EMSA in OKC and Tulsa, and doing a damn fine job at it.There are other options other than R/M. --- Wayne Edgin wrote: > The AMAA is governmental agency. Some of the smaller > cities,have gone ahead and started EMS > Services,Watauga,Hurst,and Euless. But they dropped > out of Med Star years ago. Now Haltom City and > Saginaw > are exploring the options. But,again if The > Authority > uses the Austin System to build on,they will mature > into a good system. If F.D. takes over,all of the > medics at the Star will need Fire Certs,and that > take > time and money that the city just wont put out. But > if > the ESD and the Authority merges,the revenue is > there > to support the system,as it is a tax-based program > seperate from other agencies.Also,the Authority > would > save 2 million a year as no more subsidized contract > with R/M would be in effect. > --- Mike wrote: > > > The point is - FWFD has the infrastructure in > place > > to support such a > > system. Living in central texas, I certainly > agree > > that county-based > > EMS systems have their strong points and seem to > be > > a good balance for > > serving the citizens of the region. > > > > BUT, in Fort Worth, especially with the plethora > of > > smaller cities in > > Tarrant County, would a county-wide EMS system be > > the best bet, or > > should those cities which haven't instituted their > > own EMS system just > > step up and do it? > > > > I don't live there, so I don't know - I'm just > > asking. > > > > It's obvious that R/M, as a contracted provider to > > MedStar, is having > > continuing problems. So the question is, why is > the > > Authority > > allowing it, and who are THEY responsible to? > > > > Mike > > > > > > On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:32:39 -0800 (PST), Wayne > > Edgin wrote: > > > > > > F.D. does not want that albatross. That is a > well > > > known fact.I think that Tarrant County ESD 1 and > > > the AMAA need to merge and use Med Star the way > it > > was > > > designed,as a County-wide EMS System.But do it > > > with a lot of safeguards and more hands on > > management. > > > But that point[management] would be like pulling > > teeth > > > from a > > > rabid dog. You will get bitten. > > > --- Mike wrote: > > > > > > > Any time EMS is focused on PROFIT, you get the > > types > > > > of managers that > > > > proiritize PROFIT over people. Being that EMS > > > > generally uses people > > > > as managers who have little, if any, true > > > > supervisory or business > > > > training, we get what we ask for. > > > > > > > > No, EMS cannot be a " red-ink " hemorrage. But, > > to > > > > think that EMS > > > > should make money for any governmental entity > is > > > > absurd. Our streets > > > > departments don't make money - our school > > systems > > > > don't make money - > > > > our police departments don't make money... but > > > > without them, a city > > > > would be unable to attract the businesses and > > > > residents necessary to > > > > generate revenues and make money as a whole. > > > > > > > > EMS is a part, and it's a part designed to be > > run > > > > in-the-red so that > > > > other parts of the fiscal system of government > > can > > > > attract the > > > > resources they need to generate true revenue. > > > > > > > > Fort Worth would likely, at this point, be > > > > best-served by FWFD taking over EMS. > > > > > > > > Just my $.02. > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 Tarrant County has more municipalities than any other community in Texas. Getting the 37-40 entities together (especially Fort Worth and Arlington) will never happen (I was once involved in such an endeavor). Why should Richland Hills, North Richland Hills, Bedford, Saginaw, Eagle Mountain, Benbrook, and similar cities give up their autonomy to the AMAA when it covers the poor performance, staffing shortages, morale issues at MedStar? A county-wide service here would be great--but the PUM must be first dismantled. Most likely, Rural Metro will be kept through the current contract and ETEMS (Paramedics Plus) will get the contract. At least they have a better track record at EMSA, Waco and Pinellas County. EMS will never be a priority in Fort Worth. And for the FWFD, there was a recent call for a vote of non-confidence in the new Fire Chief. BEB Re: Re: Sad Day in Ems F.D. does not want that albatross. That is a well known fact.I think that Tarrant County ESD 1 and the AMAA need to merge and use Med Star the way it was designed,as a County-wide EMS System.But do it with a lot of safeguards and more hands on management. But that point[management] would be like pulling teeth from a rabid dog. You will get bitten. --- Mike wrote: > Any time EMS is focused on PROFIT, you get the types > of managers that > proiritize PROFIT over people. Being that EMS > generally uses people > as managers who have little, if any, true > supervisory or business > training, we get what we ask for. > > No, EMS cannot be a " red-ink " hemorrage. But, to > think that EMS > should make money for any governmental entity is > absurd. Our streets > departments don't make money - our school systems > don't make money - > our police departments don't make money... but > without them, a city > would be unable to attract the businesses and > residents necessary to > generate revenues and make money as a whole. > > EMS is a part, and it's a part designed to be run > in-the-red so that > other parts of the fiscal system of government can > attract the > resources they need to generate true revenue. > > Fort Worth would likely, at this point, be > best-served by FWFD taking over EMS. > > Just my $.02. > > Mike > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 Tarrant County has more municipalities than any other community in Texas. Getting the 37-40 entities together (especially Fort Worth and Arlington) will never happen (I was once involved in such an endeavor). Why should Richland Hills, North Richland Hills, Bedford, Saginaw, Eagle Mountain, Benbrook, and similar cities give up their autonomy to the AMAA when it covers the poor performance, staffing shortages, morale issues at MedStar? A county-wide service here would be great--but the PUM must be first dismantled. Most likely, Rural Metro will be kept through the current contract and ETEMS (Paramedics Plus) will get the contract. At least they have a better track record at EMSA, Waco and Pinellas County. EMS will never be a priority in Fort Worth. And for the FWFD, there was a recent call for a vote of non-confidence in the new Fire Chief. BEB Re: Re: Sad Day in Ems F.D. does not want that albatross. That is a well known fact.I think that Tarrant County ESD 1 and the AMAA need to merge and use Med Star the way it was designed,as a County-wide EMS System.But do it with a lot of safeguards and more hands on management. But that point[management] would be like pulling teeth from a rabid dog. You will get bitten. --- Mike wrote: > Any time EMS is focused on PROFIT, you get the types > of managers that > proiritize PROFIT over people. Being that EMS > generally uses people > as managers who have little, if any, true > supervisory or business > training, we get what we ask for. > > No, EMS cannot be a " red-ink " hemorrage. But, to > think that EMS > should make money for any governmental entity is > absurd. Our streets > departments don't make money - our school systems > don't make money - > our police departments don't make money... but > without them, a city > would be unable to attract the businesses and > residents necessary to > generate revenues and make money as a whole. > > EMS is a part, and it's a part designed to be run > in-the-red so that > other parts of the fiscal system of government can > attract the > resources they need to generate true revenue. > > Fort Worth would likely, at this point, be > best-served by FWFD taking over EMS. > > Just my $.02. > > Mike > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 Tarrant County has more municipalities than any other community in Texas. Getting the 37-40 entities together (especially Fort Worth and Arlington) will never happen (I was once involved in such an endeavor). Why should Richland Hills, North Richland Hills, Bedford, Saginaw, Eagle Mountain, Benbrook, and similar cities give up their autonomy to the AMAA when it covers the poor performance, staffing shortages, morale issues at MedStar? A county-wide service here would be great--but the PUM must be first dismantled. Most likely, Rural Metro will be kept through the current contract and ETEMS (Paramedics Plus) will get the contract. At least they have a better track record at EMSA, Waco and Pinellas County. EMS will never be a priority in Fort Worth. And for the FWFD, there was a recent call for a vote of non-confidence in the new Fire Chief. BEB Re: Re: Sad Day in Ems F.D. does not want that albatross. That is a well known fact.I think that Tarrant County ESD 1 and the AMAA need to merge and use Med Star the way it was designed,as a County-wide EMS System.But do it with a lot of safeguards and more hands on management. But that point[management] would be like pulling teeth from a rabid dog. You will get bitten. --- Mike wrote: > Any time EMS is focused on PROFIT, you get the types > of managers that > proiritize PROFIT over people. Being that EMS > generally uses people > as managers who have little, if any, true > supervisory or business > training, we get what we ask for. > > No, EMS cannot be a " red-ink " hemorrage. But, to > think that EMS > should make money for any governmental entity is > absurd. Our streets > departments don't make money - our school systems > don't make money - > our police departments don't make money... but > without them, a city > would be unable to attract the businesses and > residents necessary to > generate revenues and make money as a whole. > > EMS is a part, and it's a part designed to be run > in-the-red so that > other parts of the fiscal system of government can > attract the > resources they need to generate true revenue. > > Fort Worth would likely, at this point, be > best-served by FWFD taking over EMS. > > Just my $.02. > > Mike > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 if medstar did pull out of tarrant county and someone else moved in, then like every other turnover, wouldn't the same employees still work there? if that were to happen,what would be the use of the turnover? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 if medstar did pull out of tarrant county and someone else moved in, then like every other turnover, wouldn't the same employees still work there? if that were to happen,what would be the use of the turnover? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 Point taken.And you are right on target. --- " Bledsoe, DO " wrote: > Tarrant County has more municipalities than any > other community in Texas. > Getting the 37-40 entities together (especially Fort > Worth and Arlington) > will never happen (I was once involved in such an > endeavor). Why should > Richland Hills, North Richland Hills, Bedford, > Saginaw, Eagle Mountain, > Benbrook, and similar cities give up their autonomy > to the AMAA when it > covers the poor performance, staffing shortages, > morale issues at MedStar? A > county-wide service here would be great--but the PUM > must be first > dismantled. Most likely, Rural Metro will be kept > through the current > contract and ETEMS (Paramedics Plus) will get the > contract. At least they > have a better track record at EMSA, Waco and > Pinellas County. EMS will never > be a priority in Fort Worth. And for the FWFD, there > was a recent call for a > vote of non-confidence in the new Fire Chief. > > BEB > > Re: Re: Sad Day in Ems > > > F.D. does not want that albatross. That is a well > known fact.I think that Tarrant County ESD 1 and > the AMAA need to merge and use Med Star the way it > was > designed,as a County-wide EMS System.But do it > with a lot of safeguards and more hands on > management. > But that point[management] would be like pulling > teeth > from a > rabid dog. You will get bitten. > --- Mike wrote: > > > Any time EMS is focused on PROFIT, you get the > types > > of managers that > > proiritize PROFIT over people. Being that EMS > > generally uses people > > as managers who have little, if any, true > > supervisory or business > > training, we get what we ask for. > > > > No, EMS cannot be a " red-ink " hemorrage. But, to > > think that EMS > > should make money for any governmental entity is > > absurd. Our streets > > departments don't make money - our school systems > > don't make money - > > our police departments don't make money... but > > without them, a city > > would be unable to attract the businesses and > > residents necessary to > > generate revenues and make money as a whole. > > > > EMS is a part, and it's a part designed to be run > > in-the-red so that > > other parts of the fiscal system of government can > > attract the > > resources they need to generate true revenue. > > > > Fort Worth would likely, at this point, be > > best-served by FWFD taking over EMS. > > > > Just my $.02. > > > > Mike > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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