Guest guest Posted April 8, 2001 Report Share Posted April 8, 2001 Hi here , I downloaded the book , I was amazed to see that it promoted the Steps and Old Fashioned AA , with a plug for a treatment centre at the end . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2001 Report Share Posted April 8, 2001 Hi here , I downloaded the book , I was amazed to see that it promoted the Steps and Old Fashioned AA , with a plug for a treatment centre at the end . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2001 Report Share Posted April 8, 2001 Hi here , I downloaded the book , I was amazed to see that it promoted the Steps and Old Fashioned AA , with a plug for a treatment centre at the end . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2001 Report Share Posted April 8, 2001 At 09:20 AM 4/8/01 EDT, RAdair0502@... wrote: >Jane, > >Good luck and please feel free to drop me a line any time if you'd like to >chat. >Rick Adair >http://stayingsober.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2001 Report Share Posted April 8, 2001 At 09:20 AM 4/8/01 EDT, RAdair0502@... wrote: >Jane, > >Good luck and please feel free to drop me a line any time if you'd like to >chat. >Rick Adair >http://stayingsober.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2001 Report Share Posted April 8, 2001 At 09:20 AM 4/8/01 EDT, RAdair0502@... wrote: >Jane, > >Good luck and please feel free to drop me a line any time if you'd like to >chat. >Rick Adair >http://stayingsober.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2001 Report Share Posted April 8, 2001 Rick, Strange medicine you are prescribing. One that when some who is taking it dies, it is used as evidence for how much more of it they need. This list is titled Twelve Step Free, not Twelve Stepper Recruitment Grounds. People are here to get away from the proseletyzers. You are banned from further posting. Ken Ragge Ben Bradley wrote: > At 09:20 AM 4/8/01 EDT, RAdair0502@... wrote: > >Jane, > > > >Good luck and please feel free to drop me a line any time if you'd like to > >chat. > >Rick Adair > >http://stayingsober.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2001 Report Share Posted April 8, 2001 Ben, , Ken, Good call. Tommy > > >Jane, > > > > > >Good luck and please feel free to drop me a line any time if you'd like to > > >chat. > > >Rick Adair > > >http://stayingsober.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2001 Report Share Posted April 8, 2001 Ben, , Ken, Good call. Tommy > > >Jane, > > > > > >Good luck and please feel free to drop me a line any time if you'd like to > > >chat. > > >Rick Adair > > >http://stayingsober.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2001 Report Share Posted April 8, 2001 Ben, , Ken, Good call. Tommy > > >Jane, > > > > > >Good luck and please feel free to drop me a line any time if you'd like to > > >chat. > > >Rick Adair > > >http://stayingsober.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2001 Report Share Posted April 8, 2001 > Hi > here , I downloaded the book , I was amazed to see that it promoted the > Steps and Old Fashioned AA , with a plug for a treatment centre at the end . Ah, but not one of the common herd, he's a recover-ED alcoholic - No wonder he had to leave! ;-) Some online AAs do seem to be starting to refer to themselves as " recovered " and seem to be blaming the rehabs for introducing the perpetual *recovering* state? During the later stages of my involvement with AA, I did want to try this but never quite did - Certainly noone ever used it at F2F meetings I went too! One of my main motivations to abandon AA was an old guy who took it one step *further*. He had a " illness that got WORSE every day " . As I sat there in a degree of pain (from a *real* illness), I sensed the excitement ripple round the room... I also started to feel just a bit envious of this " fatal progressive illness " - the one they all seemed to want so *badly* to have, seemingly with the proviso that they could switch it off by going to meetings, working the steps... :-/ Mack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2001 Report Share Posted April 8, 2001 > Hi > here , I downloaded the book , I was amazed to see that it promoted the > Steps and Old Fashioned AA , with a plug for a treatment centre at the end . Ah, but not one of the common herd, he's a recover-ED alcoholic - No wonder he had to leave! ;-) Some online AAs do seem to be starting to refer to themselves as " recovered " and seem to be blaming the rehabs for introducing the perpetual *recovering* state? During the later stages of my involvement with AA, I did want to try this but never quite did - Certainly noone ever used it at F2F meetings I went too! One of my main motivations to abandon AA was an old guy who took it one step *further*. He had a " illness that got WORSE every day " . As I sat there in a degree of pain (from a *real* illness), I sensed the excitement ripple round the room... I also started to feel just a bit envious of this " fatal progressive illness " - the one they all seemed to want so *badly* to have, seemingly with the proviso that they could switch it off by going to meetings, working the steps... :-/ Mack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2001 Report Share Posted April 8, 2001 > Hi > here , I downloaded the book , I was amazed to see that it promoted the > Steps and Old Fashioned AA , with a plug for a treatment centre at the end . Ah, but not one of the common herd, he's a recover-ED alcoholic - No wonder he had to leave! ;-) Some online AAs do seem to be starting to refer to themselves as " recovered " and seem to be blaming the rehabs for introducing the perpetual *recovering* state? During the later stages of my involvement with AA, I did want to try this but never quite did - Certainly noone ever used it at F2F meetings I went too! One of my main motivations to abandon AA was an old guy who took it one step *further*. He had a " illness that got WORSE every day " . As I sat there in a degree of pain (from a *real* illness), I sensed the excitement ripple round the room... I also started to feel just a bit envious of this " fatal progressive illness " - the one they all seemed to want so *badly* to have, seemingly with the proviso that they could switch it off by going to meetings, working the steps... :-/ Mack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2001 Report Share Posted April 8, 2001 At 08:38 PM 4/8/01 -0000, MackDeKnife@... wrote: > >> Hi >> here , I downloaded the book , I was amazed to see that it >promoted the >> Steps and Old Fashioned AA , with a plug for a treatment centre at >the end . > >Ah, but not one of the common herd, he's a recover-ED alcoholic - No >wonder he had to leave! ;-) Some online AAs do seem to be starting to >refer to themselves as " recovered " and seem to be blaming the rehabs >for introducing the perpetual *recovering* state? I haven't been lurking on a.r.aa, arf12s, or any recovery-oriented forums, except perhaps alcoholism.about.com, in recent years. I try to keep away from it. But there have always been many " true alcoholics " who see treatment centers as messing up the original AA, including some who went through the centers themselves. You can even hear it in some of the terms they use, such as " 28-day spin-dry " . They see treatment as taking away much of the 12th-step work that they believe keeps them sober. > During the later >stages of my involvement with AA, I did want to try this but never >quite did - Certainly noone ever used it at F2F meetings I went too! I heard a couple of people who referred to themselves as " recovered " , but they apparently weren't totally serious, since they were still attending meetings. The justification for this is in the preface of the big book, which says " We are one hundred men and women who have recovered... " There have always been " fundies " in meetings who were the first say " I always need to to back to the basics of AA " , then there are the more-fundy-than-thou who say " I have to stick with the basics all the time, so that I never have to go back to them. " >One of my main motivations to abandon AA was an old guy who took it >one step *further*. He had a " illness that got WORSE every day " . As I It was always stressed to me that " the disease of alcoholism " progresses whether one drinks or not. >sat there in a degree of pain (from a *real* illness), I sensed the >excitement ripple round the room... I also started to feel just a bit >envious of this " fatal progressive illness " - the one they all seemed >to want so *badly* to have, " if you want what we have, and are willing to go to any length to get it... " >seemingly with the proviso that they >could switch it off by going to meetings, working the steps... :-/ > >Mack > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2001 Report Share Posted April 8, 2001 At 08:38 PM 4/8/01 -0000, MackDeKnife@... wrote: > >> Hi >> here , I downloaded the book , I was amazed to see that it >promoted the >> Steps and Old Fashioned AA , with a plug for a treatment centre at >the end . > >Ah, but not one of the common herd, he's a recover-ED alcoholic - No >wonder he had to leave! ;-) Some online AAs do seem to be starting to >refer to themselves as " recovered " and seem to be blaming the rehabs >for introducing the perpetual *recovering* state? I haven't been lurking on a.r.aa, arf12s, or any recovery-oriented forums, except perhaps alcoholism.about.com, in recent years. I try to keep away from it. But there have always been many " true alcoholics " who see treatment centers as messing up the original AA, including some who went through the centers themselves. You can even hear it in some of the terms they use, such as " 28-day spin-dry " . They see treatment as taking away much of the 12th-step work that they believe keeps them sober. > During the later >stages of my involvement with AA, I did want to try this but never >quite did - Certainly noone ever used it at F2F meetings I went too! I heard a couple of people who referred to themselves as " recovered " , but they apparently weren't totally serious, since they were still attending meetings. The justification for this is in the preface of the big book, which says " We are one hundred men and women who have recovered... " There have always been " fundies " in meetings who were the first say " I always need to to back to the basics of AA " , then there are the more-fundy-than-thou who say " I have to stick with the basics all the time, so that I never have to go back to them. " >One of my main motivations to abandon AA was an old guy who took it >one step *further*. He had a " illness that got WORSE every day " . As I It was always stressed to me that " the disease of alcoholism " progresses whether one drinks or not. >sat there in a degree of pain (from a *real* illness), I sensed the >excitement ripple round the room... I also started to feel just a bit >envious of this " fatal progressive illness " - the one they all seemed >to want so *badly* to have, " if you want what we have, and are willing to go to any length to get it... " >seemingly with the proviso that they >could switch it off by going to meetings, working the steps... :-/ > >Mack > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2001 Report Share Posted April 8, 2001 At 08:38 PM 4/8/01 -0000, MackDeKnife@... wrote: > >> Hi >> here , I downloaded the book , I was amazed to see that it >promoted the >> Steps and Old Fashioned AA , with a plug for a treatment centre at >the end . > >Ah, but not one of the common herd, he's a recover-ED alcoholic - No >wonder he had to leave! ;-) Some online AAs do seem to be starting to >refer to themselves as " recovered " and seem to be blaming the rehabs >for introducing the perpetual *recovering* state? I haven't been lurking on a.r.aa, arf12s, or any recovery-oriented forums, except perhaps alcoholism.about.com, in recent years. I try to keep away from it. But there have always been many " true alcoholics " who see treatment centers as messing up the original AA, including some who went through the centers themselves. You can even hear it in some of the terms they use, such as " 28-day spin-dry " . They see treatment as taking away much of the 12th-step work that they believe keeps them sober. > During the later >stages of my involvement with AA, I did want to try this but never >quite did - Certainly noone ever used it at F2F meetings I went too! I heard a couple of people who referred to themselves as " recovered " , but they apparently weren't totally serious, since they were still attending meetings. The justification for this is in the preface of the big book, which says " We are one hundred men and women who have recovered... " There have always been " fundies " in meetings who were the first say " I always need to to back to the basics of AA " , then there are the more-fundy-than-thou who say " I have to stick with the basics all the time, so that I never have to go back to them. " >One of my main motivations to abandon AA was an old guy who took it >one step *further*. He had a " illness that got WORSE every day " . As I It was always stressed to me that " the disease of alcoholism " progresses whether one drinks or not. >sat there in a degree of pain (from a *real* illness), I sensed the >excitement ripple round the room... I also started to feel just a bit >envious of this " fatal progressive illness " - the one they all seemed >to want so *badly* to have, " if you want what we have, and are willing to go to any length to get it... " >seemingly with the proviso that they >could switch it off by going to meetings, working the steps... :-/ > >Mack > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2001 Report Share Posted April 8, 2001 MackDeKnife@... wrote: > > > Hi > > here , I downloaded the book , I was amazed to see that it > promoted the > > Steps and Old Fashioned AA , with a plug for a treatment centre at > the end . > > Ah, but not one of the common herd, he's a recover-ED alcoholic - No > wonder he had to leave! ;-) Some online AAs do seem to be starting to > refer to themselves as " recovered " and seem to be blaming the rehabs > for introducing the perpetual *recovering* state? During the later > stages of my involvement with AA, I did want to try this but never > quite did - Certainly noone ever used it at F2F meetings I went too! > One of my main motivations to abandon AA was an old guy who took it > one step *further*. He had a " illness that got WORSE every day " . As I > sat there in a degree of pain (from a *real* illness), I sensed the > excitement ripple round the room... I also started to feel just a bit > envious of this " fatal progressive illness " - the one they all seemed > to want so *badly* to have, seemingly with the proviso that they > could switch it off by going to meetings, working the steps... :-/ > > Mack > Mack, Just got an e-mail from Rick. He seems to think he wasn't proseletyzing and has the solution, old-time AA. Sounds like part of the movement back to the Oxford Group to me. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2001 Report Share Posted April 8, 2001 MackDeKnife@... wrote: > > > Hi > > here , I downloaded the book , I was amazed to see that it > promoted the > > Steps and Old Fashioned AA , with a plug for a treatment centre at > the end . > > Ah, but not one of the common herd, he's a recover-ED alcoholic - No > wonder he had to leave! ;-) Some online AAs do seem to be starting to > refer to themselves as " recovered " and seem to be blaming the rehabs > for introducing the perpetual *recovering* state? During the later > stages of my involvement with AA, I did want to try this but never > quite did - Certainly noone ever used it at F2F meetings I went too! > One of my main motivations to abandon AA was an old guy who took it > one step *further*. He had a " illness that got WORSE every day " . As I > sat there in a degree of pain (from a *real* illness), I sensed the > excitement ripple round the room... I also started to feel just a bit > envious of this " fatal progressive illness " - the one they all seemed > to want so *badly* to have, seemingly with the proviso that they > could switch it off by going to meetings, working the steps... :-/ > > Mack > Mack, Just got an e-mail from Rick. He seems to think he wasn't proseletyzing and has the solution, old-time AA. Sounds like part of the movement back to the Oxford Group to me. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2001 Report Share Posted April 8, 2001 MackDeKnife@... wrote: > > > Hi > > here , I downloaded the book , I was amazed to see that it > promoted the > > Steps and Old Fashioned AA , with a plug for a treatment centre at > the end . > > Ah, but not one of the common herd, he's a recover-ED alcoholic - No > wonder he had to leave! ;-) Some online AAs do seem to be starting to > refer to themselves as " recovered " and seem to be blaming the rehabs > for introducing the perpetual *recovering* state? During the later > stages of my involvement with AA, I did want to try this but never > quite did - Certainly noone ever used it at F2F meetings I went too! > One of my main motivations to abandon AA was an old guy who took it > one step *further*. He had a " illness that got WORSE every day " . As I > sat there in a degree of pain (from a *real* illness), I sensed the > excitement ripple round the room... I also started to feel just a bit > envious of this " fatal progressive illness " - the one they all seemed > to want so *badly* to have, seemingly with the proviso that they > could switch it off by going to meetings, working the steps... :-/ > > Mack > Mack, Just got an e-mail from Rick. He seems to think he wasn't proseletyzing and has the solution, old-time AA. Sounds like part of the movement back to the Oxford Group to me. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2001 Report Share Posted April 8, 2001 > >One of my main motivations to abandon AA was an old guy who took it > >one step *further*. He had a " illness that got WORSE every day " . As I > > It was always stressed to me that " the disease of alcoholism " > progresses whether one drinks or not. > It's amazing that, I *never* caught onto that one at all - until I was about to leave. The whole concept reminds me of a less than PC quip from Sammy Jr. In an interview he was evasive about his golfing prowess, but when pushed for his " handicap " replied: " Hey, I'm a one eyed, black Jew... what would I need with a handicap! " Mack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2001 Report Share Posted April 8, 2001 > >One of my main motivations to abandon AA was an old guy who took it > >one step *further*. He had a " illness that got WORSE every day " . As I > > It was always stressed to me that " the disease of alcoholism " > progresses whether one drinks or not. > It's amazing that, I *never* caught onto that one at all - until I was about to leave. The whole concept reminds me of a less than PC quip from Sammy Jr. In an interview he was evasive about his golfing prowess, but when pushed for his " handicap " replied: " Hey, I'm a one eyed, black Jew... what would I need with a handicap! " Mack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2001 Report Share Posted April 8, 2001 > >One of my main motivations to abandon AA was an old guy who took it > >one step *further*. He had a " illness that got WORSE every day " . As I > > It was always stressed to me that " the disease of alcoholism " > progresses whether one drinks or not. > It's amazing that, I *never* caught onto that one at all - until I was about to leave. The whole concept reminds me of a less than PC quip from Sammy Jr. In an interview he was evasive about his golfing prowess, but when pushed for his " handicap " replied: " Hey, I'm a one eyed, black Jew... what would I need with a handicap! " Mack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2001 Report Share Posted April 8, 2001 At 05:07 PM 4/8/01 -0400, you wrote: > It was always stressed to me that " the disease of alcoholism " >progresses whether one drinks or not. Isn't that a hoot? I too was told that if I e.g., quit drinking for ten years and then took one drink, I'd immediately start drinking not just as heavily as when I quit but as heavily as if I'd been steadily drinking more throughout that decade. This is of course incredibly stupid, as well as just plain false. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2001 Report Share Posted April 8, 2001 At 05:07 PM 4/8/01 -0400, you wrote: > It was always stressed to me that " the disease of alcoholism " >progresses whether one drinks or not. Isn't that a hoot? I too was told that if I e.g., quit drinking for ten years and then took one drink, I'd immediately start drinking not just as heavily as when I quit but as heavily as if I'd been steadily drinking more throughout that decade. This is of course incredibly stupid, as well as just plain false. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2001 Report Share Posted April 8, 2001 At 05:07 PM 4/8/01 -0400, you wrote: > It was always stressed to me that " the disease of alcoholism " >progresses whether one drinks or not. Isn't that a hoot? I too was told that if I e.g., quit drinking for ten years and then took one drink, I'd immediately start drinking not just as heavily as when I quit but as heavily as if I'd been steadily drinking more throughout that decade. This is of course incredibly stupid, as well as just plain false. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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