Re: Tee hee !!! ( endo app.)

[Guest guest]

Pam,

I've got tears streaming down my face as I am SO HAPPY for you!! My God, you

deserve it my friend!!! You EARNED this remission!!

Just FABULOUS!!!

Doris

[Guest guest]

Pam,

I've got tears streaming down my face as I am SO HAPPY for you!! My God, you

deserve it my friend!!! You EARNED this remission!!

Just FABULOUS!!!

Doris

[Guest guest]

Good luck Dawn Rose!!!

Fingers crossed for you too!!

Doris

[Guest guest]

Good luck Dawn Rose!!!

Fingers crossed for you too!!

Doris

[Guest guest]

Good luck Dawn Rose!!!

Fingers crossed for you too!!

Doris

[Guest guest]

Pam,

Ummm, that " victim mentality " your doc mentioned....well isn't him saying

that THAT is what prevented you from getting better in fact partly blaming

you for your not getting better? Grrrr...didn't like that one...might have

had to " rage " on him for that!

Of course it wouldn't have anything at all to do with him overmedicating you

now would it?

:-O

Doris

P.S. You coming to chat tonight?????

[Guest guest]

Pam,

Ummm, that " victim mentality " your doc mentioned....well isn't him saying

that THAT is what prevented you from getting better in fact partly blaming

you for your not getting better? Grrrr...didn't like that one...might have

had to " rage " on him for that!

Of course it wouldn't have anything at all to do with him overmedicating you

now would it?

:-O

Doris

P.S. You coming to chat tonight?????

[Guest guest]

Pam,

Ummm, that " victim mentality " your doc mentioned....well isn't him saying

that THAT is what prevented you from getting better in fact partly blaming

you for your not getting better? Grrrr...didn't like that one...might have

had to " rage " on him for that!

Of course it wouldn't have anything at all to do with him overmedicating you

now would it?

:-O

Doris

P.S. You coming to chat tonight?????

[Guest guest]

Pam,

I'm so pleased for you. I answered this in a longer post on the hyperthyroid

board. Hooray to you, Elaine

[Guest guest]

Oh Pam,

I am so very happy for you!!!!! I am dancing in the streets with you! Just

don't party all night...the morning afters are a killer.

And yes, your doctor is terrific!!! I hope he has learned from you as I and

others in this group have. I can't wait for next year, when they will say

it is a true remission!!! Then we will have to dance across this country!

You take care and continue your dancing, you deserve it and YOU have earned

it!

Jody

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[Guest guest]

Oh Pam,

I am so very happy for you!!!!! I am dancing in the streets with you! Just

don't party all night...the morning afters are a killer.

And yes, your doctor is terrific!!! I hope he has learned from you as I and

others in this group have. I can't wait for next year, when they will say

it is a true remission!!! Then we will have to dance across this country!

You take care and continue your dancing, you deserve it and YOU have earned

it!

Jody

_________________________________________________________________

Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

[Guest guest]

Oh Pam,

I am so very happy for you!!!!! I am dancing in the streets with you! Just

don't party all night...the morning afters are a killer.

And yes, your doctor is terrific!!! I hope he has learned from you as I and

others in this group have. I can't wait for next year, when they will say

it is a true remission!!! Then we will have to dance across this country!

You take care and continue your dancing, you deserve it and YOU have earned

it!

Jody

_________________________________________________________________

Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

[Guest guest]

Hey you two.. now I have tears. I didn't realize till I typed all this out,

exactly how

much I had riding on this appointment.

I did tote in a copy of 'The Book', and explained what it has meant to me. I

suggested he

got a copy and review it, with the possibility of recommending it to other

Graves

patients. He asked where to get a copy ! His eyes lit up at the word Amazon.

I explained that I did not get better until I learned more about all of this. He

agreed

completely that knowledge is half the battle. My comment, which he agreed with,

is that

previous to my learning about all of this, I had a victim mentality, which

prevented my

getting better !

How about that !

-Pam- who is so glad you two were here right now. :-)

[Guest guest]

Hey you two.. now I have tears. I didn't realize till I typed all this out,

exactly how

much I had riding on this appointment.

I did tote in a copy of 'The Book', and explained what it has meant to me. I

suggested he

got a copy and review it, with the possibility of recommending it to other

Graves

patients. He asked where to get a copy ! His eyes lit up at the word Amazon.

I explained that I did not get better until I learned more about all of this. He

agreed

completely that knowledge is half the battle. My comment, which he agreed with,

is that

previous to my learning about all of this, I had a victim mentality, which

prevented my

getting better !

How about that !

-Pam- who is so glad you two were here right now. :-)

[Guest guest]

Hey you two.. now I have tears. I didn't realize till I typed all this out,

exactly how

much I had riding on this appointment.

I did tote in a copy of 'The Book', and explained what it has meant to me. I

suggested he

got a copy and review it, with the possibility of recommending it to other

Graves

patients. He asked where to get a copy ! His eyes lit up at the word Amazon.

I explained that I did not get better until I learned more about all of this. He

agreed

completely that knowledge is half the battle. My comment, which he agreed with,

is that

previous to my learning about all of this, I had a victim mentality, which

prevented my

getting better !

How about that !

-Pam- who is so glad you two were here right now. :-)

[Guest guest]

Pam,

Your post is triumphant and hilarious and made me giggle. Good on you!!

I think we are treading similar paths thyroidwise (I hope so, cos that means

I will be right behind you dancing down the street in the not too distant

future).

I'm about to head out the door to get my blood drawn for a " been off meds

(and herbs) for a month " look at how I am going. A " bare-back " reading.

Wish me luck!

DAWN ROSE

>

>Reply-To: graves_support

>To: " hyperthyroidism " <hyperthyroidism >,

> " graves_support " <graves_support >

>Subject: Tee hee !!! ( endo app.)

>Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 15:09:42 -0800

>

>Hi All,

>

>The dreaded endo appointment has turned out very well.

>What a great April fools day prank... Look Doc... No Pills !!!!

>

>We had an intelligent conversation about all my reductions, which he agreed

>my labs did

>show, were the proper thing for me to do.

>Yes, I did have to redirect him to our past conversation concerning the FT4

>level we

>previously agreed upon. He then read aloud that agreement <sigh> and 'then'

>agreed I have

>done the right things so far.

>

>I admit to terrible brain fog concerning my use of bugleweed. Why go there?

>You only have

>so many minutes to use, and I have a lot to say, and concerns to be

>addressed.

>

>TSI ... he never uses it. Some people do use it as a means of predicting

>possible

>remission. Guess I skipped that part...'yes'. Would it be of any use now?

>No... because it

>can come back. OK, that makes sense to me.( it was fun knowing which one to

>ask about, and

>see the surprise on his face)

>

>BP slightly high. Yep, I knew that. And yes he is telling me it could

>indicate hyper

>coming back. But once I stated clearly, I do not FEEL hyper at all, he then

>backed down,

>and said it could well be an entirely separate issue, and to see my regular

>doctor about

>it. Whew ! Remember, this is the guy that kept raising my dose of PTU based

>on BP only,

>and kept me in hypo land for years.

>

>We have agreed that waiting one more week before checking FT4 is wise, as I

>will have then

>been totally clean from PTU for one month, after the 3/4 of a pill taken

>during my

>poisoning event.

>I will also be able to continue my once a month labs, with doctors app.

>still 3 mo. away.

>I am so happy about all of this. I was a bit afraid he would pass me off to

>my regular

>doctor too soon. And my regular doc insists on too many blood tests, and

>charges way too

>much for them.

>The endo is much less expensive, both office visits, and labs. Go figure?

>

>I have requested, and have in my hot little hand, a prescription for the

>generic Tapazole.

>If all goes well, I shall be able to frame the darn thing and hang it on

>the wall ! BUT...

>I am fully prepared, if the hyper should return. Without having to go

>through a bunch of

>hoops. I was worried he might not be willing to do this, but it was no

>problem.

>

>Eyes... for the very first time... they measure exactly the same !

>

>*****************************************************

>BUT , here is the very best thing that happened....

>He said on 5 occasions... you look so normal ! Asked me if I knew that..

>had to agree. :-)

>

>The line of the day... " when I first met you , I hate to admit it, but you

>were pretty

>crazy "

>I could hardly believe he said this, and I think he was equally surprised

>that I readily

>agreed with his assessment. LOL

>This to a woman that uses a screen name of 'almostcrazy'. Tee Hee !!! (

>what he doesn't

>know won't hurt him)

>

>He just kept telling me I am normal, and that my eyes look so good, and

>that I am no

>longer crazy. Holy Cow ! Do you have any idea how many years I have waited

>to hear this?

>I'm guessing twenty or thirty. Doctors always laugh and change the subject.

>There was no

>prompting on my part today. This all came out of the blue.

>

>*******************************************************

>

>Yes, I am so pleased with that part, I had to add 'stars' around it .

>So it turns out this is even a better day than the one when I posted my

>first wonderful

>labs a few weeks ago.

>

>Oh, he did not think my 1/4 and 1/2 pills were of no use, like I expected

>him to say. And

>he readily gave me the needed information on how this will translate to the

>generic Tap,

>if I should need to ever use this prescription. Then he said, this will

>give you a place

>to start, and you can then judge from there. Is this guy cool or what? All

>I had to do was

>spend countless hours on the net, and study Elaine's book and a few others

>previously, and

>finally ... I am getting some where. He now is willing to admit, he does

>not know the

>exact dose I need, and that I am the best judge.

>

>-Pam- who shall once again resume dancing in the street. :-)

>

>

>

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>intended to replace expert medical care.

>Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

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>

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[Guest guest]

Pam,

Your post is triumphant and hilarious and made me giggle. Good on you!!

I think we are treading similar paths thyroidwise (I hope so, cos that means

I will be right behind you dancing down the street in the not too distant

future).

I'm about to head out the door to get my blood drawn for a " been off meds

(and herbs) for a month " look at how I am going. A " bare-back " reading.

Wish me luck!

DAWN ROSE

>

>Reply-To: graves_support

>To: " hyperthyroidism " <hyperthyroidism >,

> " graves_support " <graves_support >

>Subject: Tee hee !!! ( endo app.)

>Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 15:09:42 -0800

>

>Hi All,

>

>The dreaded endo appointment has turned out very well.

>What a great April fools day prank... Look Doc... No Pills !!!!

>

>We had an intelligent conversation about all my reductions, which he agreed

>my labs did

>show, were the proper thing for me to do.

>Yes, I did have to redirect him to our past conversation concerning the FT4

>level we

>previously agreed upon. He then read aloud that agreement <sigh> and 'then'

>agreed I have

>done the right things so far.

>

>I admit to terrible brain fog concerning my use of bugleweed. Why go there?

>You only have

>so many minutes to use, and I have a lot to say, and concerns to be

>addressed.

>

>TSI ... he never uses it. Some people do use it as a means of predicting

>possible

>remission. Guess I skipped that part...'yes'. Would it be of any use now?

>No... because it

>can come back. OK, that makes sense to me.( it was fun knowing which one to

>ask about, and

>see the surprise on his face)

>

>BP slightly high. Yep, I knew that. And yes he is telling me it could

>indicate hyper

>coming back. But once I stated clearly, I do not FEEL hyper at all, he then

>backed down,

>and said it could well be an entirely separate issue, and to see my regular

>doctor about

>it. Whew ! Remember, this is the guy that kept raising my dose of PTU based

>on BP only,

>and kept me in hypo land for years.

>

>We have agreed that waiting one more week before checking FT4 is wise, as I

>will have then

>been totally clean from PTU for one month, after the 3/4 of a pill taken

>during my

>poisoning event.

>I will also be able to continue my once a month labs, with doctors app.

>still 3 mo. away.

>I am so happy about all of this. I was a bit afraid he would pass me off to

>my regular

>doctor too soon. And my regular doc insists on too many blood tests, and

>charges way too

>much for them.

>The endo is much less expensive, both office visits, and labs. Go figure?

>

>I have requested, and have in my hot little hand, a prescription for the

>generic Tapazole.

>If all goes well, I shall be able to frame the darn thing and hang it on

>the wall ! BUT...

>I am fully prepared, if the hyper should return. Without having to go

>through a bunch of

>hoops. I was worried he might not be willing to do this, but it was no

>problem.

>

>Eyes... for the very first time... they measure exactly the same !

>

>*****************************************************

>BUT , here is the very best thing that happened....

>He said on 5 occasions... you look so normal ! Asked me if I knew that..

>had to agree. :-)

>

>The line of the day... " when I first met you , I hate to admit it, but you

>were pretty

>crazy "

>I could hardly believe he said this, and I think he was equally surprised

>that I readily

>agreed with his assessment. LOL

>This to a woman that uses a screen name of 'almostcrazy'. Tee Hee !!! (

>what he doesn't

>know won't hurt him)

>

>He just kept telling me I am normal, and that my eyes look so good, and

>that I am no

>longer crazy. Holy Cow ! Do you have any idea how many years I have waited

>to hear this?

>I'm guessing twenty or thirty. Doctors always laugh and change the subject.

>There was no

>prompting on my part today. This all came out of the blue.

>

>*******************************************************

>

>Yes, I am so pleased with that part, I had to add 'stars' around it .

>So it turns out this is even a better day than the one when I posted my

>first wonderful

>labs a few weeks ago.

>

>Oh, he did not think my 1/4 and 1/2 pills were of no use, like I expected

>him to say. And

>he readily gave me the needed information on how this will translate to the

>generic Tap,

>if I should need to ever use this prescription. Then he said, this will

>give you a place

>to start, and you can then judge from there. Is this guy cool or what? All

>I had to do was

>spend countless hours on the net, and study Elaine's book and a few others

>previously, and

>finally ... I am getting some where. He now is willing to admit, he does

>not know the

>exact dose I need, and that I am the best judge.

>

>-Pam- who shall once again resume dancing in the street. :-)

>

>

>

>-------------------------------------

>The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not

>intended to replace expert medical care.

>Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

>----------------------------------------

> DISCLAIMER

>

>Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list does not have the

>endorsement of

>the listowner. I have no input as to what ads are attached to emails.

>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\

-------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Pam,

Your post is triumphant and hilarious and made me giggle. Good on you!!

I think we are treading similar paths thyroidwise (I hope so, cos that means

I will be right behind you dancing down the street in the not too distant

future).

I'm about to head out the door to get my blood drawn for a " been off meds

(and herbs) for a month " look at how I am going. A " bare-back " reading.

Wish me luck!

DAWN ROSE

>

>Reply-To: graves_support

>To: " hyperthyroidism " <hyperthyroidism >,

> " graves_support " <graves_support >

>Subject: Tee hee !!! ( endo app.)

>Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 15:09:42 -0800

>

>Hi All,

>

>The dreaded endo appointment has turned out very well.

>What a great April fools day prank... Look Doc... No Pills !!!!

>

>We had an intelligent conversation about all my reductions, which he agreed

>my labs did

>show, were the proper thing for me to do.

>Yes, I did have to redirect him to our past conversation concerning the FT4

>level we

>previously agreed upon. He then read aloud that agreement <sigh> and 'then'

>agreed I have

>done the right things so far.

>

>I admit to terrible brain fog concerning my use of bugleweed. Why go there?

>You only have

>so many minutes to use, and I have a lot to say, and concerns to be

>addressed.

>

>TSI ... he never uses it. Some people do use it as a means of predicting

>possible

>remission. Guess I skipped that part...'yes'. Would it be of any use now?

>No... because it

>can come back. OK, that makes sense to me.( it was fun knowing which one to

>ask about, and

>see the surprise on his face)

>

>BP slightly high. Yep, I knew that. And yes he is telling me it could

>indicate hyper

>coming back. But once I stated clearly, I do not FEEL hyper at all, he then

>backed down,

>and said it could well be an entirely separate issue, and to see my regular

>doctor about

>it. Whew ! Remember, this is the guy that kept raising my dose of PTU based

>on BP only,

>and kept me in hypo land for years.

>

>We have agreed that waiting one more week before checking FT4 is wise, as I

>will have then

>been totally clean from PTU for one month, after the 3/4 of a pill taken

>during my

>poisoning event.

>I will also be able to continue my once a month labs, with doctors app.

>still 3 mo. away.

>I am so happy about all of this. I was a bit afraid he would pass me off to

>my regular

>doctor too soon. And my regular doc insists on too many blood tests, and

>charges way too

>much for them.

>The endo is much less expensive, both office visits, and labs. Go figure?

>

>I have requested, and have in my hot little hand, a prescription for the

>generic Tapazole.

>If all goes well, I shall be able to frame the darn thing and hang it on

>the wall ! BUT...

>I am fully prepared, if the hyper should return. Without having to go

>through a bunch of

>hoops. I was worried he might not be willing to do this, but it was no

>problem.

>

>Eyes... for the very first time... they measure exactly the same !

>

>*****************************************************

>BUT , here is the very best thing that happened....

>He said on 5 occasions... you look so normal ! Asked me if I knew that..

>had to agree. :-)

>

>The line of the day... " when I first met you , I hate to admit it, but you

>were pretty

>crazy "

>I could hardly believe he said this, and I think he was equally surprised

>that I readily

>agreed with his assessment. LOL

>This to a woman that uses a screen name of 'almostcrazy'. Tee Hee !!! (

>what he doesn't

>know won't hurt him)

>

>He just kept telling me I am normal, and that my eyes look so good, and

>that I am no

>longer crazy. Holy Cow ! Do you have any idea how many years I have waited

>to hear this?

>I'm guessing twenty or thirty. Doctors always laugh and change the subject.

>There was no

>prompting on my part today. This all came out of the blue.

>

>*******************************************************

>

>Yes, I am so pleased with that part, I had to add 'stars' around it .

>So it turns out this is even a better day than the one when I posted my

>first wonderful

>labs a few weeks ago.

>

>Oh, he did not think my 1/4 and 1/2 pills were of no use, like I expected

>him to say. And

>he readily gave me the needed information on how this will translate to the

>generic Tap,

>if I should need to ever use this prescription. Then he said, this will

>give you a place

>to start, and you can then judge from there. Is this guy cool or what? All

>I had to do was

>spend countless hours on the net, and study Elaine's book and a few others

>previously, and

>finally ... I am getting some where. He now is willing to admit, he does

>not know the

>exact dose I need, and that I am the best judge.

>

>-Pam- who shall once again resume dancing in the street. :-)

>

>

>

>-------------------------------------

>The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not

>intended to replace expert medical care.

>Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

>----------------------------------------

> DISCLAIMER

>

>Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list does not have the

>endorsement of

>the listowner. I have no input as to what ads are attached to emails.

>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\

-------

>

>

[Guest guest]

on 4/1/02 3:09 PM, Pam at pladd@... wrote:

> We had an intelligent conversation about all my reductions, which he agreed my

> labs did

> show, were the proper thing for me to do.

I'm envious Pam, I had the opposite--I reduced to what felt " right " and

ended up hyper again. I still don't understand how I can feel good and have

my FT4 level up and TSH spiral all the way down!

> Yes, I did have to redirect him to our past conversation concerning the FT4

> level we

> previously agreed upon. He then read aloud that agreement <sigh> and 'then'

> agreed I have

> done the right things so far.

Can you elaborate? What do you mean, you agreed upon it? Is the level you

feel good at different than the lab norms? I wonder since I was at 2.3 and

the norm was .75-2.0. It didn't *seem* that much higher than normal.

>

>

> TSI ... he never uses it.

My endo says " it will only show that you're mildly hyperthyroid, and is 'not

a reliable test, anyway " --as if the TSH is! He did agree to add a FT3 next

time as well, at least.

Anyway Pam, I'm so happy for you--you prove it can be done, and you're also

educating the doc quite nicely. I do so hope to join you soon, but at this

point I'm back on half a methimazole pill (2.5 mg/day), in hope that it will

work. And, resigned to staying on it forever it seems.

Terry

>

> *****************************************************

> BUT , here is the very best thing that happened....

> He said on 5 occasions... you look so normal ! Asked me if I knew that.. had

> to agree. :-)

>

> The line of the day... " when I first met you , I hate to admit it, but you

> were pretty

> crazy "

> I could hardly believe he said this, and I think he was equally surprised that

> I readily

> agreed with his assessment. LOL

> This to a woman that uses a screen name of 'almostcrazy'. Tee Hee !!! ( what

> he doesn't

> know won't hurt him)

>

> He just kept telling me I am normal, and that my eyes look so good, and that I

> am no

> longer crazy. Holy Cow ! Do you have any idea how many years I have waited to

> hear this?

> I'm guessing twenty or thirty. Doctors always laugh and change the subject.

> There was no

> prompting on my part today. This all came out of the blue.

>

> *******************************************************

>

> Yes, I am so pleased with that part, I had to add 'stars' around it .

> So it turns out this is even a better day than the one when I posted my first

> wonderful

> labs a few weeks ago.

>

> Oh, he did not think my 1/4 and 1/2 pills were of no use, like I expected him

> to say. And

> he readily gave me the needed information on how this will translate to the

> generic Tap,

> if I should need to ever use this prescription. Then he said, this will give

> you a place

> to start, and you can then judge from there. Is this guy cool or what? All I

> had to do was

> spend countless hours on the net, and study Elaine's book and a few others

> previously, and

> finally ... I am getting some where. He now is willing to admit, he does not

> know the

> exact dose I need, and that I am the best judge.

>

> -Pam- who shall once again resume dancing in the street. :-)

>

>

>

> -------------------------------------

> The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not

> intended to replace expert medical care.

> Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

> ----------------------------------------

> DISCLAIMER

>

> Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list does not have the endorsement

> of

> the listowner. I have no input as to what ads are attached to emails.

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> --------

>

>

[Guest guest]

on 4/1/02 3:09 PM, Pam at pladd@... wrote:

> We had an intelligent conversation about all my reductions, which he agreed my

> labs did

> show, were the proper thing for me to do.

I'm envious Pam, I had the opposite--I reduced to what felt " right " and

ended up hyper again. I still don't understand how I can feel good and have

my FT4 level up and TSH spiral all the way down!

> Yes, I did have to redirect him to our past conversation concerning the FT4

> level we

> previously agreed upon. He then read aloud that agreement <sigh> and 'then'

> agreed I have

> done the right things so far.

Can you elaborate? What do you mean, you agreed upon it? Is the level you

feel good at different than the lab norms? I wonder since I was at 2.3 and

the norm was .75-2.0. It didn't *seem* that much higher than normal.

>

>

> TSI ... he never uses it.

My endo says " it will only show that you're mildly hyperthyroid, and is 'not

a reliable test, anyway " --as if the TSH is! He did agree to add a FT3 next

time as well, at least.

Anyway Pam, I'm so happy for you--you prove it can be done, and you're also

educating the doc quite nicely. I do so hope to join you soon, but at this

point I'm back on half a methimazole pill (2.5 mg/day), in hope that it will

work. And, resigned to staying on it forever it seems.

Terry

>

> *****************************************************

> BUT , here is the very best thing that happened....

> He said on 5 occasions... you look so normal ! Asked me if I knew that.. had

> to agree. :-)

>

> The line of the day... " when I first met you , I hate to admit it, but you

> were pretty

> crazy "

> I could hardly believe he said this, and I think he was equally surprised that

> I readily

> agreed with his assessment. LOL

> This to a woman that uses a screen name of 'almostcrazy'. Tee Hee !!! ( what

> he doesn't

> know won't hurt him)

>

> He just kept telling me I am normal, and that my eyes look so good, and that I

> am no

> longer crazy. Holy Cow ! Do you have any idea how many years I have waited to

> hear this?

> I'm guessing twenty or thirty. Doctors always laugh and change the subject.

> There was no

> prompting on my part today. This all came out of the blue.

>

> *******************************************************

>

> Yes, I am so pleased with that part, I had to add 'stars' around it .

> So it turns out this is even a better day than the one when I posted my first

> wonderful

> labs a few weeks ago.

>

> Oh, he did not think my 1/4 and 1/2 pills were of no use, like I expected him

> to say. And

> he readily gave me the needed information on how this will translate to the

> generic Tap,

> if I should need to ever use this prescription. Then he said, this will give

> you a place

> to start, and you can then judge from there. Is this guy cool or what? All I

> had to do was

> spend countless hours on the net, and study Elaine's book and a few others

> previously, and

> finally ... I am getting some where. He now is willing to admit, he does not

> know the

> exact dose I need, and that I am the best judge.

>

> -Pam- who shall once again resume dancing in the street. :-)

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

on 4/1/02 3:09 PM, Pam at pladd@... wrote:

> We had an intelligent conversation about all my reductions, which he agreed my

> labs did

> show, were the proper thing for me to do.

I'm envious Pam, I had the opposite--I reduced to what felt " right " and

ended up hyper again. I still don't understand how I can feel good and have

my FT4 level up and TSH spiral all the way down!

> Yes, I did have to redirect him to our past conversation concerning the FT4

> level we

> previously agreed upon. He then read aloud that agreement <sigh> and 'then'

> agreed I have

> done the right things so far.

Can you elaborate? What do you mean, you agreed upon it? Is the level you

feel good at different than the lab norms? I wonder since I was at 2.3 and

the norm was .75-2.0. It didn't *seem* that much higher than normal.

>

>

> TSI ... he never uses it.

My endo says " it will only show that you're mildly hyperthyroid, and is 'not

a reliable test, anyway " --as if the TSH is! He did agree to add a FT3 next

time as well, at least.

Anyway Pam, I'm so happy for you--you prove it can be done, and you're also

educating the doc quite nicely. I do so hope to join you soon, but at this

point I'm back on half a methimazole pill (2.5 mg/day), in hope that it will

work. And, resigned to staying on it forever it seems.

Terry

>

> *****************************************************

> BUT , here is the very best thing that happened....

> He said on 5 occasions... you look so normal ! Asked me if I knew that.. had

> to agree. :-)

>

> The line of the day... " when I first met you , I hate to admit it, but you

> were pretty

> crazy "

> I could hardly believe he said this, and I think he was equally surprised that

> I readily

> agreed with his assessment. LOL

> This to a woman that uses a screen name of 'almostcrazy'. Tee Hee !!! ( what

> he doesn't

> know won't hurt him)

>

> He just kept telling me I am normal, and that my eyes look so good, and that I

> am no

> longer crazy. Holy Cow ! Do you have any idea how many years I have waited to

> hear this?

> I'm guessing twenty or thirty. Doctors always laugh and change the subject.

> There was no

> prompting on my part today. This all came out of the blue.

>

> *******************************************************

>

> Yes, I am so pleased with that part, I had to add 'stars' around it .

> So it turns out this is even a better day than the one when I posted my first

> wonderful

> labs a few weeks ago.

>

> Oh, he did not think my 1/4 and 1/2 pills were of no use, like I expected him

> to say. And

> he readily gave me the needed information on how this will translate to the

> generic Tap,

> if I should need to ever use this prescription. Then he said, this will give

> you a place

> to start, and you can then judge from there. Is this guy cool or what? All I

> had to do was

> spend countless hours on the net, and study Elaine's book and a few others

> previously, and

> finally ... I am getting some where. He now is willing to admit, he does not

> know the

> exact dose I need, and that I am the best judge.

>

> -Pam- who shall once again resume dancing in the street. :-)

>

>

>

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> intended to replace expert medical care.

> Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

> ----------------------------------------

> DISCLAIMER

>

> Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list does not have the endorsement

> of

> the listowner. I have no input as to what ads are attached to emails.

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>

[Guest guest]

I am so full of replies here, but am going to go to work a bit early and see if

I can make

in back in time for chat.

The dancing in the street did involve a rake. LOL. Looks better out there too.

:-)

-Pam- running off tee hee, tee hee....

[Guest guest]

I am so full of replies here, but am going to go to work a bit early and see if

I can make

in back in time for chat.

The dancing in the street did involve a rake. LOL. Looks better out there too.

:-)

-Pam- running off tee hee, tee hee....

[Guest guest]

I am so full of replies here, but am going to go to work a bit early and see if

I can make

in back in time for chat.

The dancing in the street did involve a rake. LOL. Looks better out there too.

:-)

-Pam- running off tee hee, tee hee....

[Guest guest]

Pam!!! Congratulations....It's nice to hear about good things happening.

Keep it up. Shani

>

>Reply-To: graves_support

>To: graves_support

>Subject: Re: Tee hee !!! ( endo app.)

>Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 17:32:09 -0700

>

>Hi Pam:

>

>This is so exciting! I am so glad everything went so well

>for you! :-)

>

> C.

>

>Pam wrote:

>

> > Hi All,

> >

> > The dreaded endo appointment has turned out very well.

> > What a great April fools day prank... Look Doc... No Pills

> > !!!!

> >

> > We had an intelligent conversation about all my

> > reductions, which he agreed my labs did

> > show, were the proper thing for me to do.

> > Yes, I did have to redirect him to our past conversation

> > concerning the FT4 level we

> > previously agreed upon. He then read aloud that agreement

> > <sigh> and 'then' agreed I have

> > done the right things so far.

> >

> > I admit to terrible brain fog concerning my use of

> > bugleweed. Why go there? You only have

> > so many minutes to use, and I have a lot to say, and

> > concerns to be addressed.

> >

> > TSI ... he never uses it. Some people do use it as a means

> > of predicting possible

> > remission. Guess I skipped that part...'yes'. Would it be

> > of any use now? No... because it

> > can come back. OK, that makes sense to me.( it was fun

> > knowing which one to ask about, and

> > see the surprise on his face)

> >

> > BP slightly high. Yep, I knew that. And yes he is telling

> > me it could indicate hyper

> > coming back. But once I stated clearly, I do not FEEL

> > hyper at all, he then backed down,

> > and said it could well be an entirely separate issue, and

> > to see my regular doctor about

> > it. Whew ! Remember, this is the guy that kept raising my

> > dose of PTU based on BP only,

> > and kept me in hypo land for years.

> >

> > We have agreed that waiting one more week before checking

> > FT4 is wise, as I will have then

> > been totally clean from PTU for one month, after the 3/4

> > of a pill taken during my

> > poisoning event.

> > I will also be able to continue my once a month labs, with

> > doctors app. still 3 mo. away.

> > I am so happy about all of this. I was a bit afraid he

> > would pass me off to my regular

> > doctor too soon. And my regular doc insists on too many

> > blood tests, and charges way too

> > much for them.

> > The endo is much less expensive, both office visits, and

> > labs. Go figure?

> >

> > I have requested, and have in my hot little hand, a

> > prescription for the generic Tapazole.

> > If all goes well, I shall be able to frame the darn thing

> > and hang it on the wall ! BUT...

> > I am fully prepared, if the hyper should return. Without

> > having to go through a bunch of

> > hoops. I was worried he might not be willing to do this,

> > but it was no problem.

> >

> > Eyes... for the very first time... they measure exactly

> > the same !

> >

> > *****************************************************

> > BUT , here is the very best thing that happened....

> > He said on 5 occasions... you look so normal ! Asked me if

> > I knew that.. had to agree. :-)

> >

> > The line of the day... " when I first met you , I hate to

> > admit it, but you were pretty

> > crazy "

> > I could hardly believe he said this, and I think he was

> > equally surprised that I readily

> > agreed with his assessment. LOL

> > This to a woman that uses a screen name of 'almostcrazy'.

> > Tee Hee !!! ( what he doesn't

> > know won't hurt him)

> >

> > He just kept telling me I am normal, and that my eyes look

> > so good, and that I am no

> > longer crazy. Holy Cow ! Do you have any idea how many

> > years I have waited to hear this?

> > I'm guessing twenty or thirty. Doctors always laugh and

> > change the subject. There was no

> > prompting on my part today. This all came out of the blue.

> >

> > *******************************************************

> >

> > Yes, I am so pleased with that part, I had to add 'stars'

> > around it .

> > So it turns out this is even a better day than the one

> > when I posted my first wonderful

> > labs a few weeks ago.

> >

> > Oh, he did not think my 1/4 and 1/2 pills were of no use,

> > like I expected him to say. And

> > he readily gave me the needed information on how this will

> > translate to the generic Tap,

> > if I should need to ever use this prescription. Then he

> > said, this will give you a place

> > to start, and you can then judge from there. Is this guy

> > cool or what? All I had to do was

> > spend countless hours on the net, and study Elaine's book

> > and a few others previously, and

> > finally ... I am getting some where. He now is willing to

> > admit, he does not know the

> > exact dose I need, and that I am the best judge.

> >

> > -Pam- who shall once again resume dancing in the street.

> > :-)

> >

> >

> >