Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 > > Keeping with this subject line that ACE increases cortisol, I found this > passage in Life Extension's Disease Prevention Book; > > " At normal levels, cortisol assists in the metabolism of glucose, protein, > and fats. It also has a strong impact on the immune system. At consistently > high levels due to illness or stress, cortisol suppresses immune response > and accelerates the aging of major organ systems. In general, rising levels > of cortisol are associated with physical and severe mental stress. " > The key here is 'consistently high levels'. In most cases with metal poisoning we are talking about people who are producing consistently low levels of cortisol, and have been for some time. > They go on to say that long term use of ACE is contraindicated and > dangerous. Any comments? > As with anything it would likely depend on the dose. > So, my question is why would we ever want to give ACE which raises cortisol? > To attempt to bring cortisol up to more normal levels so that it can do it's job of assisting in the metabolism of glucose, protein, and fats and helping with immune function. J > > Re: Adrenal Burnout Imminent > > > >> I've managed to totally confuse myself reading these posts, all due to my > >> fault, but I need something clarified. > >> If you give phosphatidylserine because someone has high cortisol (gains > >> weight on stomach, but not arms and legs) does this have anything to do > >> with > >> whether you give adrenal cortex extract? > > > > Yes, you would generally withold ACE > >> > >> Or does effect does ACE have on cortisol? > > > > ACE lets you make cortisol more easily, and other hormones too, some not > > yet > > characterized by science no doubt. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 In frequent-dose-chelation , Cochran wrote: Keeping with this subject line that ACE increases cortisol, I found this passage in Life Extension's Disease Prevention Book; " At normal levels, cortisol assists in the metabolism of glucose, protein, and fats. It also has a strong impact on the immune system. At consistently high levels due to illness or stress, cortisol suppresses immune response and accelerates the aging of major organ systems. In general, rising levels of cortisol are associated with physical and severe mental stress. " ----------The rising levels of cortisol is due to or from the physical and/or severe mental stress, not the other way around. This is your body's way of trying to cope with the stress, supplying you with extra cortisol to keep you going. You can do this for awhile, but then at some point, your adrenals start to fizzle out. This is explained really well in the following link about the stages of adrenal fatigue. Go to the bottom of each page and keep clicking on the next stage.----------Jackie T> http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%20Normal.html They go on to say that long term use of ACE is contraindicated and dangerous. Any comments? ----------Adrenal support is recommended to give your adrenals a rest and a chance to heal, so the amount of time will vary by person and how bad of shape they are in. You are supposed to wean yourself off of it when your adrenals have healed, but no set timetable for this. Since stress is such a big factor in this, this can be very hard for some people to achieve.-----------Jackie T. So, my question is why would we ever want to give ACE which raises cortisol? ----------Because having too little cortisol is also a very bad situation, and may be hard to understand unless you have been there yourself. It's hard to explain the absolute lack of energy to do anything. This is stage 4 or farther in the above link. I am not taking ACE, but am taking Isocort, and can't imagine where I'd be without it. I think says she wouldn't be able to get off the couch without it (HC). And there are numerous examples of people helped by low doses of HC (cortisol) in Jefferies book, " The Safe Uses of Cortisol " . The key is low physiological doses, usually less than what your body normally produces in a day, so you are supplying PART of what your body's daily need is, so the adrenals don't have to work so hard and can hopefully rest and heal over time. Many doctors/people have been scared off by the use of too high pharmacological doses, which caused problems and got all the press. And many people can't/wouldn't be able to tolerate their thyroid hormone without taking HC (cortisol) either. You need the HC to get the thyroid hormone into your cells. So there are numerous reasons to take adrenal support if it is needed.--------------Jackie T Re: Adrenal Burnout Imminent >> I've managed to totally confuse myself reading these posts, all due to my >> fault, but I need something clarified. >> If you give phosphatidylserine because someone has high cortisol (gains >> weight on stomach, but not arms and legs) does this have anything to do >> with >> whether you give adrenal cortex extract? > > Yes, you would generally withold ACE >> >> Or does effect does ACE have on cortisol? > > ACE lets you make cortisol more easily, and other hormones too, some not > yet > characterized by science no doubt. >> >> Thanks, >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 In frequent-dose-chelation , Cochran wrote: Keeping with this subject line that ACE increases cortisol, I found this passage in Life Extension's Disease Prevention Book; " At normal levels, cortisol assists in the metabolism of glucose, protein, and fats. It also has a strong impact on the immune system. At consistently high levels due to illness or stress, cortisol suppresses immune response and accelerates the aging of major organ systems. In general, rising levels of cortisol are associated with physical and severe mental stress. " ----------The rising levels of cortisol is due to or from the physical and/or severe mental stress, not the other way around. This is your body's way of trying to cope with the stress, supplying you with extra cortisol to keep you going. You can do this for awhile, but then at some point, your adrenals start to fizzle out. This is explained really well in the following link about the stages of adrenal fatigue. Go to the bottom of each page and keep clicking on the next stage.----------Jackie T> http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%20Normal.html They go on to say that long term use of ACE is contraindicated and dangerous. Any comments? ----------Adrenal support is recommended to give your adrenals a rest and a chance to heal, so the amount of time will vary by person and how bad of shape they are in. You are supposed to wean yourself off of it when your adrenals have healed, but no set timetable for this. Since stress is such a big factor in this, this can be very hard for some people to achieve.-----------Jackie T. So, my question is why would we ever want to give ACE which raises cortisol? ----------Because having too little cortisol is also a very bad situation, and may be hard to understand unless you have been there yourself. It's hard to explain the absolute lack of energy to do anything. This is stage 4 or farther in the above link. I am not taking ACE, but am taking Isocort, and can't imagine where I'd be without it. I think says she wouldn't be able to get off the couch without it (HC). And there are numerous examples of people helped by low doses of HC (cortisol) in Jefferies book, " The Safe Uses of Cortisol " . The key is low physiological doses, usually less than what your body normally produces in a day, so you are supplying PART of what your body's daily need is, so the adrenals don't have to work so hard and can hopefully rest and heal over time. Many doctors/people have been scared off by the use of too high pharmacological doses, which caused problems and got all the press. And many people can't/wouldn't be able to tolerate their thyroid hormone without taking HC (cortisol) either. You need the HC to get the thyroid hormone into your cells. So there are numerous reasons to take adrenal support if it is needed.--------------Jackie T Re: Adrenal Burnout Imminent >> I've managed to totally confuse myself reading these posts, all due to my >> fault, but I need something clarified. >> If you give phosphatidylserine because someone has high cortisol (gains >> weight on stomach, but not arms and legs) does this have anything to do >> with >> whether you give adrenal cortex extract? > > Yes, you would generally withold ACE >> >> Or does effect does ACE have on cortisol? > > ACE lets you make cortisol more easily, and other hormones too, some not > yet > characterized by science no doubt. >> >> Thanks, >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 In frequent-dose-chelation , Cochran wrote: Keeping with this subject line that ACE increases cortisol, I found this passage in Life Extension's Disease Prevention Book; " At normal levels, cortisol assists in the metabolism of glucose, protein, and fats. It also has a strong impact on the immune system. At consistently high levels due to illness or stress, cortisol suppresses immune response and accelerates the aging of major organ systems. In general, rising levels of cortisol are associated with physical and severe mental stress. " ----------The rising levels of cortisol is due to or from the physical and/or severe mental stress, not the other way around. This is your body's way of trying to cope with the stress, supplying you with extra cortisol to keep you going. You can do this for awhile, but then at some point, your adrenals start to fizzle out. This is explained really well in the following link about the stages of adrenal fatigue. Go to the bottom of each page and keep clicking on the next stage.----------Jackie T> http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%20Normal.html They go on to say that long term use of ACE is contraindicated and dangerous. Any comments? ----------Adrenal support is recommended to give your adrenals a rest and a chance to heal, so the amount of time will vary by person and how bad of shape they are in. You are supposed to wean yourself off of it when your adrenals have healed, but no set timetable for this. Since stress is such a big factor in this, this can be very hard for some people to achieve.-----------Jackie T. So, my question is why would we ever want to give ACE which raises cortisol? ----------Because having too little cortisol is also a very bad situation, and may be hard to understand unless you have been there yourself. It's hard to explain the absolute lack of energy to do anything. This is stage 4 or farther in the above link. I am not taking ACE, but am taking Isocort, and can't imagine where I'd be without it. I think says she wouldn't be able to get off the couch without it (HC). And there are numerous examples of people helped by low doses of HC (cortisol) in Jefferies book, " The Safe Uses of Cortisol " . The key is low physiological doses, usually less than what your body normally produces in a day, so you are supplying PART of what your body's daily need is, so the adrenals don't have to work so hard and can hopefully rest and heal over time. Many doctors/people have been scared off by the use of too high pharmacological doses, which caused problems and got all the press. And many people can't/wouldn't be able to tolerate their thyroid hormone without taking HC (cortisol) either. You need the HC to get the thyroid hormone into your cells. So there are numerous reasons to take adrenal support if it is needed.--------------Jackie T Re: Adrenal Burnout Imminent >> I've managed to totally confuse myself reading these posts, all due to my >> fault, but I need something clarified. >> If you give phosphatidylserine because someone has high cortisol (gains >> weight on stomach, but not arms and legs) does this have anything to do >> with >> whether you give adrenal cortex extract? > > Yes, you would generally withold ACE >> >> Or does effect does ACE have on cortisol? > > ACE lets you make cortisol more easily, and other hormones too, some not > yet > characterized by science no doubt. >> >> Thanks, >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Thanks, Jackie and J. time will vary by person and how bad of shape they are in. You are supposed to wean yourself off of it when your adrenals have healed, but no set timetable for this. Since stress is such a big factor in this, this can be very hard for some people to achieve.-----------Jackie T. > > > > > So, my question is why would we ever want to give ACE which raises > cortisol? > > ----------Because having too little cortisol is also a very bad > situation, and may be hard to understand unless you have been there > yourself. It's hard to explain the absolute lack of energy to do > anything. This is stage 4 or farther in the above link. I am not taking > ACE, but am taking Isocort, and can't imagine where I'd be without it. I > think says she wouldn't be able to get off the couch without it > (HC). And there are numerous examples of people helped by low doses of HC > (cortisol) in Jefferies book, " The Safe Uses of Cortisol " . The key is low > physiological doses, usually less than what your body normally produces in > a day, so you are supplying PART of what your body's daily need is, so the > adrenals don't have to work so hard and can hopefully rest and heal over > time. Many doctors/people have been scared off by the use of too high > pharmacological doses, which caused problems and got all the press. And > many people can't/wouldn't be able to tolerate their thyroid hormone > without taking HC (cortisol) either. You need the HC to get the thyroid > hormone into your cells. So there are numerous reasons to take adrenal > support if it is needed.--------------Jackie T > > > > > > > Re: Adrenal Burnout Imminent > > >> I've managed to totally confuse myself reading these posts, all due to > my > >> fault, but I need something clarified. > >> If you give phosphatidylserine because someone has high cortisol > (gains > >> weight on stomach, but not arms and legs) does this have anything to > do > >> with > >> whether you give adrenal cortex extract? > > > > Yes, you would generally withold ACE > >> > >> Or does effect does ACE have on cortisol? > > > > ACE lets you make cortisol more easily, and other hormones too, some > not > > yet > > characterized by science no doubt. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 > > > Cortisol is life sustaining in normal amounts and the body can not > live without it....... although too much is not good either, > ACE and steroids help to raise cortisol levels when they have gotten > too low. I'll just toss in my experience, though I'm not sure what it means. My first attempt at treating my adrenal fatigue was with ACE, and it gave me a very bad anxiety attack -- so bad that I thought I was mistaken about needing adrenal support (yes, brain function not working all that well either!). But Cortef and Isocort have been wonderful, and as long as I take the tablets on time I'm pretty much back to normal. HC has turned me from a sick, debilitated person into an alive person! Energy is the big thing, but also mood, social ease, skin, muscle tone, just about everything is better. After starting HC I took ACE for a bit and it gave me no trouble, but I changed brands (to Adrenergize) and maybe that's the difference. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 ......or maybe having the H/C support is what made the difference in being able to tolerate it. When I got low on cortisol again, I started having food allergies and noticeable chemical sensitivities again..... ~Inga . After starting HC I took ACE for a bit and it gave me no trouble, but I changed brands (to Adrenergize) and maybe that's the difference. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 ......or maybe having the H/C support is what made the difference in being able to tolerate it. When I got low on cortisol again, I started having food allergies and noticeable chemical sensitivities again..... ~Inga . After starting HC I took ACE for a bit and it gave me no trouble, but I changed brands (to Adrenergize) and maybe that's the difference. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 ......or maybe having the H/C support is what made the difference in being able to tolerate it. When I got low on cortisol again, I started having food allergies and noticeable chemical sensitivities again..... ~Inga . After starting HC I took ACE for a bit and it gave me no trouble, but I changed brands (to Adrenergize) and maybe that's the difference. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 This is very interesting, Inga and Nell. I tried ACE once and it made me feel funny, not better, don't remember exactly what. But maybe I should try it again, now that I'm taking Isocort. And that is very interesting about the food allergies and chemical sensitivities, Inga. Jackie In frequent-dose-chelation , Ingrid Mager-Renault wrote: .....or maybe having the H/C support is what made the difference in being able to tolerate it. When I got low on cortisol again, I started having food allergies and noticeable chemical sensitivities again..... ~Inga . After starting HC I took ACE for a bit and it gave me no trouble, but I changed brands (to Adrenergize) and maybe that's the difference. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 This is very interesting, Inga and Nell. I tried ACE once and it made me feel funny, not better, don't remember exactly what. But maybe I should try it again, now that I'm taking Isocort. And that is very interesting about the food allergies and chemical sensitivities, Inga. Jackie In frequent-dose-chelation , Ingrid Mager-Renault wrote: .....or maybe having the H/C support is what made the difference in being able to tolerate it. When I got low on cortisol again, I started having food allergies and noticeable chemical sensitivities again..... ~Inga . After starting HC I took ACE for a bit and it gave me no trouble, but I changed brands (to Adrenergize) and maybe that's the difference. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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