Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 It is confusing at first. As you read more and get less toxic it starts to make sense. Over the long haul, the big picture, it is far less damaging to remove the metals than to leave them in there. There are so many diseases that can happen later on if you stay toxic. Cancer and Alzheimers' being a few. Even lead is associated with gout, and heart disease. So in essence, removal is better. You don't have to support hormones unless you need it. You can try a few rounds and see. Unless you adrenals are already fried like mine were. I still did rounds and started on Adrenal Cortex extract. After seeing improvements I added a thyroid support product and continue to see improvement..while still chelating. There can be side effects, but I have been able to avoid most of them by following the proper supplements listed by Andy for chelation. Yes, you will not like waking up at night. No one dose. But it par for the course, and after a while the payoffs start to come in and you don't care about losing some sleep. You might want to try a bit of dmsa first to get some copper out. And also the mineral supplements he recommends at the doses recommended will help with copper. High copper is sometimes the result of mercury. And reduce exposures to copper elsewhere. The neutrophil problem can occur with dmps or any chelator. It is not super common either but can be reversed and dealt with. Any immune stressor can lower neutrophils. Immune support is good for this. It is hard to wait for hormones to regulate. They never will regulate perfectly if you are metal toxic. That is why most of us are chelating along side it. Many times side effects of chelation are due to improper supplements, improper dosing/timing etc. I have been chelating my 4 year old with dmsa/ala and he has done excellent. He is on all the supplements listed by Andy, yeast treatment, and the dosing/timing by Andy. No side effects for him. My daughter has had minimal effects which are usually due to her not taking enough vitamin C or forgetting her anti yeast pills. I have not had any trouble with dmsa yet. ALA I have to keep it really low. But sometimes you need many rounds of dmsa to lower body metals before you can add ala. Everyone is different. Yes, pulling, redistributing a bit, then pulling more. It is that homeostasis thingy. Remove some metals from the blood, and the body dumps some out of storage. Remove that newly freed metal, and the body dumps some more out of storage. This process keeps repeating until you have almost or none left. But it is a slow steady process that takes time and patience. Thus the slow/low protocol. Hope this helps clear things a bit. > > > It's my understanding that supporting fried adrenals/thyroid is > necessary while chelating. Also, if you have copper problems, you > can't really use ala? But if you have mercury in your brain , you > have to use ala, right? So, andy says go ahead and use ala anyway? > Also, dmsa can cause problems with neutraphils or whatever they're > called.? > > I'm just finding that this chelation stuff is waaaay more > complicated than I thought. Also, how does chelation affect balancing > your hormones with HC and Armour.?? I know adrenal/thyroid stuff > takes awhile (months, years?) but I don't want to wait that long to > chelate. So, how do you find the right balance for Armour/HC while > you're chelating mercury and experiencing all these side- > effects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2006 Report Share Posted November 11, 2006 > > > You might want to try a bit of dmsa first to get some copper out. > > - I am interested in this having too much copper myself. Does > DMSA remove copper? I havent seen anywhere yet that it does. Also how > does mercury cause copper levels to elevate? Is this due to mineral > derangement? DMSA does not remove copper. Copper and mercury levels can both be high because the liver is impaired somehow, either from heavy metals or other toxins or bile duct problems. Here's a summary of copper messages from the Autism-Mercury group that explains Andy's current thinking: http://onibasu.com/archives/am/167484.html W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2006 Report Share Posted November 11, 2006 > > > You might want to try a bit of dmsa first to get some copper out. > > - I am interested in this having too much copper myself. Does > DMSA remove copper? I havent seen anywhere yet that it does. Also how > does mercury cause copper levels to elevate? Is this due to mineral > derangement? DMSA does not remove copper. Copper and mercury levels can both be high because the liver is impaired somehow, either from heavy metals or other toxins or bile duct problems. Here's a summary of copper messages from the Autism-Mercury group that explains Andy's current thinking: http://onibasu.com/archives/am/167484.html W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2006 Report Share Posted November 11, 2006 > > > You might want to try a bit of dmsa first to get some copper out. > > - I am interested in this having too much copper myself. Does > DMSA remove copper? I havent seen anywhere yet that it does. Also how > does mercury cause copper levels to elevate? Is this due to mineral > derangement? DMSA does not remove copper. Copper and mercury levels can both be high because the liver is impaired somehow, either from heavy metals or other toxins or bile duct problems. Here's a summary of copper messages from the Autism-Mercury group that explains Andy's current thinking: http://onibasu.com/archives/am/167484.html W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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