Guest guest Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 , The reason for this is that the child has some testing at age 6 (psychological, and language) done to see if the DD label can dropped completely or be changed to ASD. If ASD then the child would be eligible for services. Typically they do this for kindergarden if they are six, but many children turn six in first grade and then there is a whole year in lymbo. Although, if a parent requests the test before the age of 6 it can be done, and the label can be changed. If the label were to be dropped and the parent disagrees then they can request an IEE.And the due process hell begins......... From: Ramona H. <mamabear_sunrise@ yahoo.com>Subject: Re: Re:recommend a McKay schoolTo: sList@ yahoogroups. comDate: Monday, June 7, 2010, 10:52 AM Hello April: Hi there my son is 5 year old entering kinder in the fall. Coral Springs would be a bit far for my son, but I want to ask you in the event that I ever consider moving to that city and/or if my son doesn't fit into a cluster "exactly". His dianosis is PDD, has minor stims, good behavior, excellent with math, but his biggest deficit is in the language/speech comprehension. So this hinders him to be in a mainstream kinder. Also has lack of focus so he wanders from his desk. He will likely enter into a cluster...at our neighborhood public elementary school (SandPiper Elementary in Sunrise). I saw your posting about Atlantis Academy school and had one question?Are the speech and occupational therapies offered on the campus and as part of the school day? Or do you have to pay for his therapy at the school? This is a big deal, since in the public school system my son would have these therapies as part of his regular school day. your input is greatly appreciated. .thank you. From: April Alder <aprilalder@bellsout h.net>To: sList@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sat, June 5, 2010 12:51:49 PMSubject: Re:recommend a McKay school Our son will be entering third grade in the fall at Atlantis Academy in Coral Springs and he loves going to school there.This will be his third year attending Atlantis Academy for school/camp, and we plan for him to stay there through high school.April Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 Typically it is harder to get services if not ASD. My daughter had DD label and tested out of them and the school wants to drop her services. The schools say that at 6 they are " mature " enough to test. It is harder to receive services for ADD and ADHD for example. You have to prove to the school that it impedes them from progressing academically. Re: DD vs autism , The reason for this is that the child has some testing at age 6 (psychological, and language) done to see if the DD label can dropped completely or be changed to ASD. If ASD then the child would be eligible for services. Typically they do this for kindergarden if they are six, but many children turn six in first grade and then there is a whole year in lymbo. Although, if a parent requests the test before the age Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 Typically it is harder to get services if not ASD. My daughter had DD label and tested out of them and the school wants to drop her services. The schools say that at 6 they are " mature " enough to test. It is harder to receive services for ADD and ADHD for example. You have to prove to the school that it impedes them from progressing academically. Re: DD vs autism , The reason for this is that the child has some testing at age 6 (psychological, and language) done to see if the DD label can dropped completely or be changed to ASD. If ASD then the child would be eligible for services. Typically they do this for kindergarden if they are six, but many children turn six in first grade and then there is a whole year in lymbo. Although, if a parent requests the test before the age Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 You make it sound like the amount of services at the age of 6 will depend on his ASD classification. But you don't have to be autistic to receive services. Therefore if a child's services change once he reaches 6 if he isn't classified ASD, what changed with his unique needs? Is there something magical that changes on his 6th birthday? From: sList [mailto:sList ] On Behalf Of virginia rojas Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 8:26 AM To: sList Subject: Re: DD vs autism , The reason for this is that the child has some testing at age 6 (psychological, and language) done to see if the DD label can dropped completely or be changed to ASD. If ASD then the child would be eligible for services. Typically they do this for kindergarden if they are six, but many children turn six in first grade and then there is a whole year in lymbo. Although, if a parent requests the test before the age of 6 it can be done, and the label can be changed. If the label were to be dropped and the parent disagrees then they can request an IEE.And the due process hell begins......... From: Ramona H. <mamabear_sunrise@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Re:recommend a McKay school To: sList@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 10:52 AM Hello April: Hi there my son is 5 year old entering kinder in the fall. Coral Springs would be a bit far for my son, but I want to ask you in the event that I ever consider moving to that city and/or if my son doesn't fit into a cluster " exactly " . His dianosis is PDD, has minor stims, good behavior, excellent with math, but his biggest deficit is in the language/speech comprehension. So this hinders him to be in a mainstream kinder. Also has lack of focus so he wanders from his desk. He will likely enter into a cluster...at our neighborhood public elementary school (SandPiper Elementary in Sunrise). I saw your posting about Atlantis Academy school and had one question? Are the speech and occupational therapies offered on the campus and as part of the school day? Or do you have to pay for his therapy at the school? This is a big deal, since in the public school system my son would have these therapies as part of his regular school day. your input is greatly appreciated. .thank you. From: April Alder <aprilalder@bellsout h.net> To: sList@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, June 5, 2010 12:51:49 PM Subject: Re:recommend a McKay school Our son will be entering third grade in the fall at Atlantis Academy in Coral Springs and he loves going to school there. This will be his third year attending Atlantis Academy for school/camp, and we plan for him to stay there through high school. April Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 You make it sound like the amount of services at the age of 6 will depend on his ASD classification. But you don't have to be autistic to receive services. Therefore if a child's services change once he reaches 6 if he isn't classified ASD, what changed with his unique needs? Is there something magical that changes on his 6th birthday? From: sList [mailto:sList ] On Behalf Of virginia rojas Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 8:26 AM To: sList Subject: Re: DD vs autism , The reason for this is that the child has some testing at age 6 (psychological, and language) done to see if the DD label can dropped completely or be changed to ASD. If ASD then the child would be eligible for services. Typically they do this for kindergarden if they are six, but many children turn six in first grade and then there is a whole year in lymbo. Although, if a parent requests the test before the age of 6 it can be done, and the label can be changed. If the label were to be dropped and the parent disagrees then they can request an IEE.And the due process hell begins......... From: Ramona H. <mamabear_sunrise@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Re:recommend a McKay school To: sList@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 10:52 AM Hello April: Hi there my son is 5 year old entering kinder in the fall. Coral Springs would be a bit far for my son, but I want to ask you in the event that I ever consider moving to that city and/or if my son doesn't fit into a cluster " exactly " . His dianosis is PDD, has minor stims, good behavior, excellent with math, but his biggest deficit is in the language/speech comprehension. So this hinders him to be in a mainstream kinder. Also has lack of focus so he wanders from his desk. He will likely enter into a cluster...at our neighborhood public elementary school (SandPiper Elementary in Sunrise). I saw your posting about Atlantis Academy school and had one question? Are the speech and occupational therapies offered on the campus and as part of the school day? Or do you have to pay for his therapy at the school? This is a big deal, since in the public school system my son would have these therapies as part of his regular school day. your input is greatly appreciated. .thank you. From: April Alder <aprilalder@bellsout h.net> To: sList@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, June 5, 2010 12:51:49 PM Subject: Re:recommend a McKay school Our son will be entering third grade in the fall at Atlantis Academy in Coral Springs and he loves going to school there. This will be his third year attending Atlantis Academy for school/camp, and we plan for him to stay there through high school. April Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 You make it sound like the amount of services at the age of 6 will depend on his ASD classification. But you don't have to be autistic to receive services. Therefore if a child's services change once he reaches 6 if he isn't classified ASD, what changed with his unique needs? Is there something magical that changes on his 6th birthday? From: sList [mailto:sList ] On Behalf Of virginia rojas Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 8:26 AM To: sList Subject: Re: DD vs autism , The reason for this is that the child has some testing at age 6 (psychological, and language) done to see if the DD label can dropped completely or be changed to ASD. If ASD then the child would be eligible for services. Typically they do this for kindergarden if they are six, but many children turn six in first grade and then there is a whole year in lymbo. Although, if a parent requests the test before the age of 6 it can be done, and the label can be changed. If the label were to be dropped and the parent disagrees then they can request an IEE.And the due process hell begins......... From: Ramona H. <mamabear_sunrise@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Re:recommend a McKay school To: sList@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 10:52 AM Hello April: Hi there my son is 5 year old entering kinder in the fall. Coral Springs would be a bit far for my son, but I want to ask you in the event that I ever consider moving to that city and/or if my son doesn't fit into a cluster " exactly " . His dianosis is PDD, has minor stims, good behavior, excellent with math, but his biggest deficit is in the language/speech comprehension. So this hinders him to be in a mainstream kinder. Also has lack of focus so he wanders from his desk. He will likely enter into a cluster...at our neighborhood public elementary school (SandPiper Elementary in Sunrise). I saw your posting about Atlantis Academy school and had one question? Are the speech and occupational therapies offered on the campus and as part of the school day? Or do you have to pay for his therapy at the school? This is a big deal, since in the public school system my son would have these therapies as part of his regular school day. your input is greatly appreciated. .thank you. From: April Alder <aprilalder@bellsout h.net> To: sList@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, June 5, 2010 12:51:49 PM Subject: Re:recommend a McKay school Our son will be entering third grade in the fall at Atlantis Academy in Coral Springs and he loves going to school there. This will be his third year attending Atlantis Academy for school/camp, and we plan for him to stay there through high school. April Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 " Mature " is such an interesting word. I was once told by an Educational Psychologist that a child will never " mature " himself out of a learning disability. How do they come up with 6. What does maturity have to do with testing? Does that mean perhaps the original testing was incorrect because the child wasn't mature? I'm sorry but crap comes in many forms. From: sList [mailto:sList ] On Behalf Of virginia rojas Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 11:57 PM To: sList Subject: RE: DD vs autism Typically it is harder to get services if not ASD. My daughter had DD label and tested out of them and the school wants to drop her services. The schools say that at 6 they are " mature " enough to test. It is harder to receive services for ADD and ADHD for example. You have to prove to the school that it impedes them from progressing academically. Re: DD vs autism , The reason for this is that the child has some testing at age 6 (psychological, and language) done to see if the DD label can dropped completely or be changed to ASD. If ASD then the child would be eligible for services. Typically they do this for kindergarden if they are six, but many children turn six in first grade and then there is a whole year in lymbo. Although, if a parent requests the test before the age Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 In Broward they are re-evaled before K, they don't wait until 6. Many of the children are 5, some even four turning 5. I do agree it is harder to get services. Are they trying to 504 your daughter? Sent from my iPhone Typically it is harder to get services if not ASD. My daughter had DD label and tested out of them and the school wants to drop her services. The schools say that at 6 they are "mature" enough to test. It is harder to receive services for ADD and ADHD for example. You have to prove to the school that it impedes them from progressing academically. Re: DD vs autism , The reason for this is that the child has some testing at age 6 (psychological, and language) done to see if the DD label can dropped completely or be changed to ASD. If ASD then the child would be eligible for services. Typically they do this for kindergarden if they are six, but many children turn six in first grade and then there is a whole year in lymbo. Although, if a parent requests the test before the age Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 In Broward they are re-evaled before K, they don't wait until 6. Many of the children are 5, some even four turning 5. I do agree it is harder to get services. Are they trying to 504 your daughter? Sent from my iPhone Typically it is harder to get services if not ASD. My daughter had DD label and tested out of them and the school wants to drop her services. The schools say that at 6 they are "mature" enough to test. It is harder to receive services for ADD and ADHD for example. You have to prove to the school that it impedes them from progressing academically. Re: DD vs autism , The reason for this is that the child has some testing at age 6 (psychological, and language) done to see if the DD label can dropped completely or be changed to ASD. If ASD then the child would be eligible for services. Typically they do this for kindergarden if they are six, but many children turn six in first grade and then there is a whole year in lymbo. Although, if a parent requests the test before the age Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Hi, The way it was explained to me is that the diagnosis of DD allows for "some" (but not many) services as a preschooler because many children who are truly "DD" usually catch up around 6 years old so they are placed in a "language-based program" [This is why many children at Baudhuin and other PLACE classes do not get 1:1 speech therapy (specifically articulation) but they are more likely to get it in kindergarten.] Many if not most children are diagnosed around age 3 and must have a re-eval 3 years later. The county will re-evaluate the children before going to kindergarten in order to give them the most appropriate support and class placement. The diagnosis of autism in the K-12 years somehow allows for more services than DD. In fact, the DD label doesn't just disappear at age six, it just doesn't allow for services in K-12 grades. If a child keeps the DD label in elementary school, that's all they have (a label with no services). If the child can function in a regular class with no support that's one thing but if he/she need support, they need a diagnosis that carries more "weight." This is determined during the evaluation process. When an evaluation is done, there is a great deal of information that is collected. The best person to give this information is the teacher who is most familiar with him/her. That is in most cases, the preschool teacher who probably had the child for at least 2 years. Many children look a lot different at age 6 versus age 3 and many are very different at age 8 versus age 5. Hope this helps. Ps, , what do you mean by 504 her?Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 22:37:58 -0400To: sList <sList >Subject: Re: DD vs autism In Broward they are re-evaled before K, they don't wait until 6. Many of the children are 5, some even four turning 5. I do agree it is harder to get services. Are they trying to 504 your daughter? Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 12, 2010, at 11:57 PM, "virginia rojas" <vrojaspr> wrote: Typically it is harder to get services if not ASD. My daughter had DD label and tested out of them and the school wants to drop her services. The schools say that at 6 they are "mature" enough to test. It is harder to receive services for ADD and ADHD for example. You have to prove to the school that it impedes them from progressing academically. RE: DD vs autismAttachments: image001.jpg (359 bytes), image002.jpg (332 bytes)You make it sound like the amount of services at the age of 6 will depend on his ASD classification. But you don't have to be autistic to receive services. Therefore if a child's services change once he reaches 6 if he isn't classified ASD, what changed with his unique needs? Is there something magical that changes on his 6th birthday?From: sList [mailto:sList ] On Behalf Of virginia rojasSent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 8:26 AMTo: sList Subject: Re: DD vs autism,The reason for this is that the child has some testing at age 6 (psychological, and language) done to see if the DD label can dropped completely or be changed to ASD. If ASD then the child would be eligible for services.Typically they do this for kindergarden if they are six, but many children turn six in first grade and then there is a whole year in lymbo. Although, if a parent requests the test before the age Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Hi, The way it was explained to me is that the diagnosis of DD allows for "some" (but not many) services as a preschooler because many children who are truly "DD" usually catch up around 6 years old so they are placed in a "language-based program" [This is why many children at Baudhuin and other PLACE classes do not get 1:1 speech therapy (specifically articulation) but they are more likely to get it in kindergarten.] Many if not most children are diagnosed around age 3 and must have a re-eval 3 years later. The county will re-evaluate the children before going to kindergarten in order to give them the most appropriate support and class placement. The diagnosis of autism in the K-12 years somehow allows for more services than DD. In fact, the DD label doesn't just disappear at age six, it just doesn't allow for services in K-12 grades. If a child keeps the DD label in elementary school, that's all they have (a label with no services). If the child can function in a regular class with no support that's one thing but if he/she need support, they need a diagnosis that carries more "weight." This is determined during the evaluation process. When an evaluation is done, there is a great deal of information that is collected. The best person to give this information is the teacher who is most familiar with him/her. That is in most cases, the preschool teacher who probably had the child for at least 2 years. Many children look a lot different at age 6 versus age 3 and many are very different at age 8 versus age 5. Hope this helps. Ps, , what do you mean by 504 her?Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 22:37:58 -0400To: sList <sList >Subject: Re: DD vs autism In Broward they are re-evaled before K, they don't wait until 6. Many of the children are 5, some even four turning 5. I do agree it is harder to get services. Are they trying to 504 your daughter? Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 12, 2010, at 11:57 PM, "virginia rojas" <vrojaspr> wrote: Typically it is harder to get services if not ASD. My daughter had DD label and tested out of them and the school wants to drop her services. The schools say that at 6 they are "mature" enough to test. It is harder to receive services for ADD and ADHD for example. You have to prove to the school that it impedes them from progressing academically. RE: DD vs autismAttachments: image001.jpg (359 bytes), image002.jpg (332 bytes)You make it sound like the amount of services at the age of 6 will depend on his ASD classification. But you don't have to be autistic to receive services. Therefore if a child's services change once he reaches 6 if he isn't classified ASD, what changed with his unique needs? Is there something magical that changes on his 6th birthday?From: sList [mailto:sList ] On Behalf Of virginia rojasSent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 8:26 AMTo: sList Subject: Re: DD vs autism,The reason for this is that the child has some testing at age 6 (psychological, and language) done to see if the DD label can dropped completely or be changed to ASD. If ASD then the child would be eligible for services.Typically they do this for kindergarden if they are six, but many children turn six in first grade and then there is a whole year in lymbo. Although, if a parent requests the test before the age Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2010 Report Share Posted June 14, 2010 I thought the same thing....using the term " mature " came from school psychologist interesting. Dont get me started on the tests they use.. RE: DD vs autism Typically it is harder to get services if not ASD. My daughter had DD label and tested out of them and the school wants to drop her services. The schools say that at 6 they are " mature " enough to test. It is harder to receive services for ADD and ADHD for example. You have to prove to the school that it impedes them from progressing academically. -----Original Message----- Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010 11:0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2010 Report Share Posted June 14, 2010 I thought the same thing....using the term " mature " came from school psychologist interesting. Dont get me started on the tests they use.. RE: DD vs autism Typically it is harder to get services if not ASD. My daughter had DD label and tested out of them and the school wants to drop her services. The schools say that at 6 they are " mature " enough to test. It is harder to receive services for ADD and ADHD for example. You have to prove to the school that it impedes them from progressing academically. -----Original Message----- Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010 11:0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2010 Report Share Posted June 14, 2010 I thought the same thing....using the term " mature " came from school psychologist interesting. Dont get me started on the tests they use.. RE: DD vs autism Typically it is harder to get services if not ASD. My daughter had DD label and tested out of them and the school wants to drop her services. The schools say that at 6 they are " mature " enough to test. It is harder to receive services for ADD and ADHD for example. You have to prove to the school that it impedes them from progressing academically. -----Original Message----- Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010 11:0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2010 Report Share Posted June 14, 2010 I have been told by two school psicologists that the kids need to be six to be tested. The use the term " mature " enough to get tested and that will do that at the age of 6..... RE: DD vs autism > Attachments: image001.jpg (359 bytes), image002.jpg (332 bytes) > > You make it sound like the amount of services at the age of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2010 Report Share Posted June 14, 2010 I have been told by two school psicologists that the kids need to be six to be tested. The use the term " mature " enough to get tested and that will do that at the age of 6..... RE: DD vs autism > Attachments: image001.jpg (359 bytes), image002.jpg (332 bytes) > > You make it sound like the amount of services at the age of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2010 Report Share Posted June 14, 2010 I have been told by two school psicologists that the kids need to be six to be tested. The use the term " mature " enough to get tested and that will do that at the age of 6..... RE: DD vs autism > Attachments: image001.jpg (359 bytes), image002.jpg (332 bytes) > > You make it sound like the amount of services at the age of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2010 Report Share Posted June 14, 2010 It's not really that they are "mature" enough. Moreover that they can test them along certain criteria. Any way about it, if they can "test" to show that they are not significantly delayed or determine that the disability does not effect their ability to learn in a normal environment (regardless if it leaves them not up to their potential), you have to fight to prove how it does. It's not that the original testing was incorrect. And, nothing magical happens. Without the extra help too many can't keep up. The idea seems to be that some of them don't need the help and will be able to do it on their own.Yeah, crap does come in many forms.Marie "Tisha"Subject: RE: DD vs autismTo: sList Date: Sunday, June 13, 2010, 11:51 AM "Mature" is such an interesting word. I was once told by an Educational Psychologist that a child will never "mature" himself out of a learning disability. How do they come up with 6. What does maturity have to do with testing? Does that mean perhaps the original testing was incorrect because the child wasn't mature? I'm sorry but crap comes in many forms. From: sList@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:sList @yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of virginia rojas Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 11:57 PM To: sList@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: DD vs autism Typically it is harder to get services if not ASD. My daughter had DD label and tested out of them and the school wants to drop her services. The schools say that at 6 they are "mature" enough to test. It is harder to receive services for ADD and ADHD for example. You have to prove to the school that it impedes them from progressing academically. Re: DD vs autism , The reason for this is that the child has some testing at age 6 (psychological, and language) done to see if the DD label can dropped completely or be changed to ASD. If ASD then the child would be eligible for services. Typically they do this for kindergarden if they are six, but many children turn six in first grade and then there is a whole year in lymbo. Although, if a parent requests the test before the age Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2010 Report Share Posted June 14, 2010 It's not really that they are "mature" enough. Moreover that they can test them along certain criteria. Any way about it, if they can "test" to show that they are not significantly delayed or determine that the disability does not effect their ability to learn in a normal environment (regardless if it leaves them not up to their potential), you have to fight to prove how it does. It's not that the original testing was incorrect. And, nothing magical happens. Without the extra help too many can't keep up. The idea seems to be that some of them don't need the help and will be able to do it on their own.Yeah, crap does come in many forms.Marie "Tisha"Subject: RE: DD vs autismTo: sList Date: Sunday, June 13, 2010, 11:51 AM "Mature" is such an interesting word. I was once told by an Educational Psychologist that a child will never "mature" himself out of a learning disability. How do they come up with 6. What does maturity have to do with testing? Does that mean perhaps the original testing was incorrect because the child wasn't mature? I'm sorry but crap comes in many forms. From: sList@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:sList @yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of virginia rojas Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 11:57 PM To: sList@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: DD vs autism Typically it is harder to get services if not ASD. My daughter had DD label and tested out of them and the school wants to drop her services. The schools say that at 6 they are "mature" enough to test. It is harder to receive services for ADD and ADHD for example. You have to prove to the school that it impedes them from progressing academically. Re: DD vs autism , The reason for this is that the child has some testing at age 6 (psychological, and language) done to see if the DD label can dropped completely or be changed to ASD. If ASD then the child would be eligible for services. Typically they do this for kindergarden if they are six, but many children turn six in first grade and then there is a whole year in lymbo. Although, if a parent requests the test before the age Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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