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> Hey all

>

> I'd purchased dr. Cutler's book a while back when my sister and I had

> started our 100 wk chelation using DMSA (100 mg every 4 hours for 3

> days on, 4 days off) and Alpha Lipoic acid (200 mg) everytime with the

> dmsa...including other vitamins & minerals.

Have you removed all amalgam, stopped eating fish, stopped all

vaccines, removed any other sources of exposure??

When using ALA it is recommended to dose every 3 hours during

the day - 4 hours may be okay at night. This is one important

thing you need to change.

In addition, your doses are very high. Many people need to start

with 12.5-25 mg doses. I suggest you drop the ALA completely for

now and continue DMSA on a much lower dose as you try to figure

out what is going on. If this improves the situation after several

rounds, then you could consider adding back ALA at a much lower dose.

High doses can stir up more metals than your body is able to

eliminate.

Are you using anything like chlorella or other substances

that are purported to be chelators? These do not chelate

and can make a lot of people worse.

> The thing is that we're done with our 19th week and none of the

> symptoms whatsoever are becoming the slightest bit better. In

> fact...during the past 3 minutes it seems that my body had become a

> machine that can 'click ' whenever i move any joints. I'm an athlete

> so if I'm doing pushups, my shoulders click everytime i do one, if i'm

> supposed to do squats, my knees joints click as if there's no joint

> fluid left there...I do not understand how this has happened so

> rapidly ???

I get increased joint problems when my adrenals are stressed.

You may need to support your adrenals. Could also be a nutrient

deficiency, or perhaps other reasons.

> Also my younger 21 yr old sister, one of the most brilliantly minded

> people I've ever known or read about seem to have trouble speaking

> ordinary words nevermind come up with esays and papers she used to

> write since she was 16. Aside from the 'brain tremours' she mentioned,

> and amongst her advanced osteo-arthritic state in knees, hands etc her

> hands shake as if she has passed the beginning stages of parkinsons.

> from what little i know, this sounds like MS symptoms, she also has

> the highest levels of acid in her body according to her specialist

> who's renowned in south africa. She was worried about her vocal chords

> and so went to him to find out what to do and how far it had gone.

Whenever you see symptoms of any kind cropping up during chelation,

you need to reduce dose and identify what the problem is. I think

it is very likely she has stirred up and redistributed metals to

her brain and other places, causing lots of problems.

If I understand you correctly, it sounds like there is a problem

with speech at a mental level, but there is a separate problem

with the vocal cords. The mental issues are likely due to the

redistribution of metals. The vocal cord problem could be due

to the high dose of ALA. A few people have reported problems

with burning in the throat, laryngitis, etc with ALA. Dropping

the ALA for awhile and treating the throat and stomach (it may

be that stomach acid is coming into the throat) should help.

> I do not understand why constructing the simplest of sentences has

> become something which is alien. My sister knew words longer than her

> height and know in her 19th week of chelation, it seems that

> everything is slowly but surely shutting down :-( !! We'd contracted

> mercury poisoning 6 yrs ago, she was 14 turning 15 and i was 17

> turning 18. She'd not gotten a proper monthly period since then and as

> a result has been going through a really severe and advance menopause

> with ALL the symptoms including a very very alarming loss of

> elasticity in the skin and SEVERE hair loss.

Have you checked your adrenals, thyroid, and other hormone levels

and treated them? Many people have hormonal problems due to

mercury and chelation will stress the body more, making things

worse. If you

> We have so many of the symptoms dr. cutler mentioned in his book that

> when she spoke to him, he said it was very unusual for anyone to have

> that many at one time. If one is suppose to chelate .5 $ to 1 %

> everyday on this program, then why is this just getting worse ?

You need to lower dose, take every 3 hr, and make sure you don't

have current exposure.

> I'm really at a loss because we try our best, although money is

> scarce, we try to only eat whatever limited foods are organic here

> when we can get it. We suppliment with vitamin c, co-enzyme, milk

> thistle and so on. Since we knew about the poisoning 12 months ago, we

> filter our drinking water and have no touched seafood since then.

> Since south africa does not have organic meat, we barely touch

> anything aside from free range chicken on occasion. Our daily diet

> mainly consists of fruit, vegetable and usually rice/bread/potatoes. I

> used to suppliment with the USN 100 % whey Protein Powder but since

> I'd started using it 5 months ago, I'm unsure whether there are

Whey is a sulfur food and can cause problems for some people due to

the high amount of cysteine. People who have problems with sulfur

foods need to restrict them during chelation.

> rBST/rBGH growth hormones in the protein and though USN has said no,

> when asked for the certificate, they've failed to produce. Besides

> I've not gotten my periods for almost 12 weeks now and have put on 3.5

> kgs O_o and counting. as each week goes by i seem to add another .5 to

> 750 g of weight. Anyone heard anything shady about USN ?

>

> Anyway, someone please help me figure out what's going on because

> honestly I'm stumped.

>

> many thanks and best regards

> Fatimah

>

> If Dr. Cutler or anyone else can somehow shed some light on what is

> happening i'd greatly appreciate.

This group can help. Lots of people here have been chelating for

awhile and we can help. One thing we notice is people try to

increase dose too soon. People seem to do best if they start

at 12.5-25 mg per dose, and start one chelator at a time. Stay

at a dose for several rounds. If you are completely comfortable

at that dose, then you can consider increasing dose a little and

stay at the new dose for another several rounds.

If you haven't read through the Files and Links, that will be

very helpful.

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>

> Hey all

>

> I'd purchased dr. Cutler's book a while back when my sister and I had

> started our 100 wk chelation using DMSA (100 mg every 4 hours for 3

> days on, 4 days off) and Alpha Lipoic acid (200 mg) everytime with the

> dmsa...including other vitamins & minerals.

Have you removed all amalgam, stopped eating fish, stopped all

vaccines, removed any other sources of exposure??

When using ALA it is recommended to dose every 3 hours during

the day - 4 hours may be okay at night. This is one important

thing you need to change.

In addition, your doses are very high. Many people need to start

with 12.5-25 mg doses. I suggest you drop the ALA completely for

now and continue DMSA on a much lower dose as you try to figure

out what is going on. If this improves the situation after several

rounds, then you could consider adding back ALA at a much lower dose.

High doses can stir up more metals than your body is able to

eliminate.

Are you using anything like chlorella or other substances

that are purported to be chelators? These do not chelate

and can make a lot of people worse.

> The thing is that we're done with our 19th week and none of the

> symptoms whatsoever are becoming the slightest bit better. In

> fact...during the past 3 minutes it seems that my body had become a

> machine that can 'click ' whenever i move any joints. I'm an athlete

> so if I'm doing pushups, my shoulders click everytime i do one, if i'm

> supposed to do squats, my knees joints click as if there's no joint

> fluid left there...I do not understand how this has happened so

> rapidly ???

I get increased joint problems when my adrenals are stressed.

You may need to support your adrenals. Could also be a nutrient

deficiency, or perhaps other reasons.

> Also my younger 21 yr old sister, one of the most brilliantly minded

> people I've ever known or read about seem to have trouble speaking

> ordinary words nevermind come up with esays and papers she used to

> write since she was 16. Aside from the 'brain tremours' she mentioned,

> and amongst her advanced osteo-arthritic state in knees, hands etc her

> hands shake as if she has passed the beginning stages of parkinsons.

> from what little i know, this sounds like MS symptoms, she also has

> the highest levels of acid in her body according to her specialist

> who's renowned in south africa. She was worried about her vocal chords

> and so went to him to find out what to do and how far it had gone.

Whenever you see symptoms of any kind cropping up during chelation,

you need to reduce dose and identify what the problem is. I think

it is very likely she has stirred up and redistributed metals to

her brain and other places, causing lots of problems.

If I understand you correctly, it sounds like there is a problem

with speech at a mental level, but there is a separate problem

with the vocal cords. The mental issues are likely due to the

redistribution of metals. The vocal cord problem could be due

to the high dose of ALA. A few people have reported problems

with burning in the throat, laryngitis, etc with ALA. Dropping

the ALA for awhile and treating the throat and stomach (it may

be that stomach acid is coming into the throat) should help.

> I do not understand why constructing the simplest of sentences has

> become something which is alien. My sister knew words longer than her

> height and know in her 19th week of chelation, it seems that

> everything is slowly but surely shutting down :-( !! We'd contracted

> mercury poisoning 6 yrs ago, she was 14 turning 15 and i was 17

> turning 18. She'd not gotten a proper monthly period since then and as

> a result has been going through a really severe and advance menopause

> with ALL the symptoms including a very very alarming loss of

> elasticity in the skin and SEVERE hair loss.

Have you checked your adrenals, thyroid, and other hormone levels

and treated them? Many people have hormonal problems due to

mercury and chelation will stress the body more, making things

worse. If you

> We have so many of the symptoms dr. cutler mentioned in his book that

> when she spoke to him, he said it was very unusual for anyone to have

> that many at one time. If one is suppose to chelate .5 $ to 1 %

> everyday on this program, then why is this just getting worse ?

You need to lower dose, take every 3 hr, and make sure you don't

have current exposure.

> I'm really at a loss because we try our best, although money is

> scarce, we try to only eat whatever limited foods are organic here

> when we can get it. We suppliment with vitamin c, co-enzyme, milk

> thistle and so on. Since we knew about the poisoning 12 months ago, we

> filter our drinking water and have no touched seafood since then.

> Since south africa does not have organic meat, we barely touch

> anything aside from free range chicken on occasion. Our daily diet

> mainly consists of fruit, vegetable and usually rice/bread/potatoes. I

> used to suppliment with the USN 100 % whey Protein Powder but since

> I'd started using it 5 months ago, I'm unsure whether there are

Whey is a sulfur food and can cause problems for some people due to

the high amount of cysteine. People who have problems with sulfur

foods need to restrict them during chelation.

> rBST/rBGH growth hormones in the protein and though USN has said no,

> when asked for the certificate, they've failed to produce. Besides

> I've not gotten my periods for almost 12 weeks now and have put on 3.5

> kgs O_o and counting. as each week goes by i seem to add another .5 to

> 750 g of weight. Anyone heard anything shady about USN ?

>

> Anyway, someone please help me figure out what's going on because

> honestly I'm stumped.

>

> many thanks and best regards

> Fatimah

>

> If Dr. Cutler or anyone else can somehow shed some light on what is

> happening i'd greatly appreciate.

This group can help. Lots of people here have been chelating for

awhile and we can help. One thing we notice is people try to

increase dose too soon. People seem to do best if they start

at 12.5-25 mg per dose, and start one chelator at a time. Stay

at a dose for several rounds. If you are completely comfortable

at that dose, then you can consider increasing dose a little and

stay at the new dose for another several rounds.

If you haven't read through the Files and Links, that will be

very helpful.

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>

> Hey all

>

> I'd purchased dr. Cutler's book a while back when my sister and I had

> started our 100 wk chelation using DMSA (100 mg every 4 hours for 3

> days on, 4 days off) and Alpha Lipoic acid (200 mg) everytime with the

> dmsa...including other vitamins & minerals.

Have you removed all amalgam, stopped eating fish, stopped all

vaccines, removed any other sources of exposure??

When using ALA it is recommended to dose every 3 hours during

the day - 4 hours may be okay at night. This is one important

thing you need to change.

In addition, your doses are very high. Many people need to start

with 12.5-25 mg doses. I suggest you drop the ALA completely for

now and continue DMSA on a much lower dose as you try to figure

out what is going on. If this improves the situation after several

rounds, then you could consider adding back ALA at a much lower dose.

High doses can stir up more metals than your body is able to

eliminate.

Are you using anything like chlorella or other substances

that are purported to be chelators? These do not chelate

and can make a lot of people worse.

> The thing is that we're done with our 19th week and none of the

> symptoms whatsoever are becoming the slightest bit better. In

> fact...during the past 3 minutes it seems that my body had become a

> machine that can 'click ' whenever i move any joints. I'm an athlete

> so if I'm doing pushups, my shoulders click everytime i do one, if i'm

> supposed to do squats, my knees joints click as if there's no joint

> fluid left there...I do not understand how this has happened so

> rapidly ???

I get increased joint problems when my adrenals are stressed.

You may need to support your adrenals. Could also be a nutrient

deficiency, or perhaps other reasons.

> Also my younger 21 yr old sister, one of the most brilliantly minded

> people I've ever known or read about seem to have trouble speaking

> ordinary words nevermind come up with esays and papers she used to

> write since she was 16. Aside from the 'brain tremours' she mentioned,

> and amongst her advanced osteo-arthritic state in knees, hands etc her

> hands shake as if she has passed the beginning stages of parkinsons.

> from what little i know, this sounds like MS symptoms, she also has

> the highest levels of acid in her body according to her specialist

> who's renowned in south africa. She was worried about her vocal chords

> and so went to him to find out what to do and how far it had gone.

Whenever you see symptoms of any kind cropping up during chelation,

you need to reduce dose and identify what the problem is. I think

it is very likely she has stirred up and redistributed metals to

her brain and other places, causing lots of problems.

If I understand you correctly, it sounds like there is a problem

with speech at a mental level, but there is a separate problem

with the vocal cords. The mental issues are likely due to the

redistribution of metals. The vocal cord problem could be due

to the high dose of ALA. A few people have reported problems

with burning in the throat, laryngitis, etc with ALA. Dropping

the ALA for awhile and treating the throat and stomach (it may

be that stomach acid is coming into the throat) should help.

> I do not understand why constructing the simplest of sentences has

> become something which is alien. My sister knew words longer than her

> height and know in her 19th week of chelation, it seems that

> everything is slowly but surely shutting down :-( !! We'd contracted

> mercury poisoning 6 yrs ago, she was 14 turning 15 and i was 17

> turning 18. She'd not gotten a proper monthly period since then and as

> a result has been going through a really severe and advance menopause

> with ALL the symptoms including a very very alarming loss of

> elasticity in the skin and SEVERE hair loss.

Have you checked your adrenals, thyroid, and other hormone levels

and treated them? Many people have hormonal problems due to

mercury and chelation will stress the body more, making things

worse. If you

> We have so many of the symptoms dr. cutler mentioned in his book that

> when she spoke to him, he said it was very unusual for anyone to have

> that many at one time. If one is suppose to chelate .5 $ to 1 %

> everyday on this program, then why is this just getting worse ?

You need to lower dose, take every 3 hr, and make sure you don't

have current exposure.

> I'm really at a loss because we try our best, although money is

> scarce, we try to only eat whatever limited foods are organic here

> when we can get it. We suppliment with vitamin c, co-enzyme, milk

> thistle and so on. Since we knew about the poisoning 12 months ago, we

> filter our drinking water and have no touched seafood since then.

> Since south africa does not have organic meat, we barely touch

> anything aside from free range chicken on occasion. Our daily diet

> mainly consists of fruit, vegetable and usually rice/bread/potatoes. I

> used to suppliment with the USN 100 % whey Protein Powder but since

> I'd started using it 5 months ago, I'm unsure whether there are

Whey is a sulfur food and can cause problems for some people due to

the high amount of cysteine. People who have problems with sulfur

foods need to restrict them during chelation.

> rBST/rBGH growth hormones in the protein and though USN has said no,

> when asked for the certificate, they've failed to produce. Besides

> I've not gotten my periods for almost 12 weeks now and have put on 3.5

> kgs O_o and counting. as each week goes by i seem to add another .5 to

> 750 g of weight. Anyone heard anything shady about USN ?

>

> Anyway, someone please help me figure out what's going on because

> honestly I'm stumped.

>

> many thanks and best regards

> Fatimah

>

> If Dr. Cutler or anyone else can somehow shed some light on what is

> happening i'd greatly appreciate.

This group can help. Lots of people here have been chelating for

awhile and we can help. One thing we notice is people try to

increase dose too soon. People seem to do best if they start

at 12.5-25 mg per dose, and start one chelator at a time. Stay

at a dose for several rounds. If you are completely comfortable

at that dose, then you can consider increasing dose a little and

stay at the new dose for another several rounds.

If you haven't read through the Files and Links, that will be

very helpful.

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Hi I personally have much more protein in my diet, a portion per meal

most of the time at a min 2x meat per day and oils/fats to help with

elimination of toxins. Obviously you need both of these are you

getting enough to meet even the recomended ammounts. The body is

built on fats and proteins and yours sounds very vegetarian

Also are you taking all the supplements, have you done a HMA.

Phil

>

> Hey all

>

> I'd purchased dr. Cutler's book a while back when my sister and I

had

> started our 100 wk chelation using DMSA (100 mg every 4 hours for 3

> days on, 4 days off) and Alpha Lipoic acid (200 mg) everytime with

the

> dmsa...including other vitamins & minerals.

>

> The thing is that we're done with our 19th week and none of the

> symptoms whatsoever are becoming the slightest bit better. In

> fact...during the past 3 minutes it seems that my body had become a

> machine that can 'click ' whenever i move any joints. I'm an athlete

> so if I'm doing pushups, my shoulders click everytime i do one, if

i'm

> supposed to do squats, my knees joints click as if there's no joint

> fluid left there...I do not understand how this has happened so

> rapidly ???

>

> Also my younger 21 yr old sister, one of the most brilliantly minded

> people I've ever known or read about seem to have trouble speaking

> ordinary words nevermind come up with esays and papers she used to

> write since she was 16. Aside from the 'brain tremours' she

mentioned,

> and amongst her advanced osteo-arthritic state in knees, hands etc

her

> hands shake as if she has passed the beginning stages of parkinsons.

> from what little i know, this sounds like MS symptoms, she also has

> the highest levels of acid in her body according to her specialist

> who's renowned in south africa. She was worried about her vocal

chords

> and so went to him to find out what to do and how far it had gone.

>

> I do not understand why constructing the simplest of sentences has

> become something which is alien. My sister knew words longer than

her

> height and know in her 19th week of chelation, it seems that

> everything is slowly but surely shutting down :-( !! We'd contracted

> mercury poisoning 6 yrs ago, she was 14 turning 15 and i was 17

> turning 18. She'd not gotten a proper monthly period since then and

as

> a result has been going through a really severe and advance

menopause

> with ALL the symptoms including a very very alarming loss of

> elasticity in the skin and SEVERE hair loss.

>

> We have so many of the symptoms dr. cutler mentioned in his book

that

> when she spoke to him, he said it was very unusual for anyone to

have

> that many at one time. If one is suppose to chelate .5 $ to 1 %

> everyday on this program, then why is this just getting worse ?

>

> I'm really at a loss because we try our best, although money is

> scarce, we try to only eat whatever limited foods are organic here

> when we can get it. We suppliment with vitamin c, co-enzyme, milk

> thistle and so on. Since we knew about the poisoning 12 months ago,

we

> filter our drinking water and have no touched seafood since then.

> Since south africa does not have organic meat, we barely touch

> anything aside from free range chicken on occasion. Our daily diet

> mainly consists of fruit, vegetable and usually

rice/bread/potatoes. I

> used to suppliment with the USN 100 % whey Protein Powder but since

> I'd started using it 5 months ago, I'm unsure whether there are

> rBST/rBGH growth hormones in the protein and though USN has said no,

> when asked for the certificate, they've failed to produce. Besides

> I've not gotten my periods for almost 12 weeks now and have put on

3.5

> kgs O_o and counting. as each week goes by i seem to add another .5

to

> 750 g of weight. Anyone heard anything shady about USN ?

>

> Anyway, someone please help me figure out what's going on because

> honestly I'm stumped.

>

> many thanks and best regards

> Fatimah

>

> If Dr. Cutler or anyone else can somehow shed some light on what is

> happening i'd greatly appreciate.

>

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Hi I personally have much more protein in my diet, a portion per meal

most of the time at a min 2x meat per day and oils/fats to help with

elimination of toxins. Obviously you need both of these are you

getting enough to meet even the recomended ammounts. The body is

built on fats and proteins and yours sounds very vegetarian

Also are you taking all the supplements, have you done a HMA.

Phil

>

> Hey all

>

> I'd purchased dr. Cutler's book a while back when my sister and I

had

> started our 100 wk chelation using DMSA (100 mg every 4 hours for 3

> days on, 4 days off) and Alpha Lipoic acid (200 mg) everytime with

the

> dmsa...including other vitamins & minerals.

>

> The thing is that we're done with our 19th week and none of the

> symptoms whatsoever are becoming the slightest bit better. In

> fact...during the past 3 minutes it seems that my body had become a

> machine that can 'click ' whenever i move any joints. I'm an athlete

> so if I'm doing pushups, my shoulders click everytime i do one, if

i'm

> supposed to do squats, my knees joints click as if there's no joint

> fluid left there...I do not understand how this has happened so

> rapidly ???

>

> Also my younger 21 yr old sister, one of the most brilliantly minded

> people I've ever known or read about seem to have trouble speaking

> ordinary words nevermind come up with esays and papers she used to

> write since she was 16. Aside from the 'brain tremours' she

mentioned,

> and amongst her advanced osteo-arthritic state in knees, hands etc

her

> hands shake as if she has passed the beginning stages of parkinsons.

> from what little i know, this sounds like MS symptoms, she also has

> the highest levels of acid in her body according to her specialist

> who's renowned in south africa. She was worried about her vocal

chords

> and so went to him to find out what to do and how far it had gone.

>

> I do not understand why constructing the simplest of sentences has

> become something which is alien. My sister knew words longer than

her

> height and know in her 19th week of chelation, it seems that

> everything is slowly but surely shutting down :-( !! We'd contracted

> mercury poisoning 6 yrs ago, she was 14 turning 15 and i was 17

> turning 18. She'd not gotten a proper monthly period since then and

as

> a result has been going through a really severe and advance

menopause

> with ALL the symptoms including a very very alarming loss of

> elasticity in the skin and SEVERE hair loss.

>

> We have so many of the symptoms dr. cutler mentioned in his book

that

> when she spoke to him, he said it was very unusual for anyone to

have

> that many at one time. If one is suppose to chelate .5 $ to 1 %

> everyday on this program, then why is this just getting worse ?

>

> I'm really at a loss because we try our best, although money is

> scarce, we try to only eat whatever limited foods are organic here

> when we can get it. We suppliment with vitamin c, co-enzyme, milk

> thistle and so on. Since we knew about the poisoning 12 months ago,

we

> filter our drinking water and have no touched seafood since then.

> Since south africa does not have organic meat, we barely touch

> anything aside from free range chicken on occasion. Our daily diet

> mainly consists of fruit, vegetable and usually

rice/bread/potatoes. I

> used to suppliment with the USN 100 % whey Protein Powder but since

> I'd started using it 5 months ago, I'm unsure whether there are

> rBST/rBGH growth hormones in the protein and though USN has said no,

> when asked for the certificate, they've failed to produce. Besides

> I've not gotten my periods for almost 12 weeks now and have put on

3.5

> kgs O_o and counting. as each week goes by i seem to add another .5

to

> 750 g of weight. Anyone heard anything shady about USN ?

>

> Anyway, someone please help me figure out what's going on because

> honestly I'm stumped.

>

> many thanks and best regards

> Fatimah

>

> If Dr. Cutler or anyone else can somehow shed some light on what is

> happening i'd greatly appreciate.

>

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Hi I personally have much more protein in my diet, a portion per meal

most of the time at a min 2x meat per day and oils/fats to help with

elimination of toxins. Obviously you need both of these are you

getting enough to meet even the recomended ammounts. The body is

built on fats and proteins and yours sounds very vegetarian

Also are you taking all the supplements, have you done a HMA.

Phil

>

> Hey all

>

> I'd purchased dr. Cutler's book a while back when my sister and I

had

> started our 100 wk chelation using DMSA (100 mg every 4 hours for 3

> days on, 4 days off) and Alpha Lipoic acid (200 mg) everytime with

the

> dmsa...including other vitamins & minerals.

>

> The thing is that we're done with our 19th week and none of the

> symptoms whatsoever are becoming the slightest bit better. In

> fact...during the past 3 minutes it seems that my body had become a

> machine that can 'click ' whenever i move any joints. I'm an athlete

> so if I'm doing pushups, my shoulders click everytime i do one, if

i'm

> supposed to do squats, my knees joints click as if there's no joint

> fluid left there...I do not understand how this has happened so

> rapidly ???

>

> Also my younger 21 yr old sister, one of the most brilliantly minded

> people I've ever known or read about seem to have trouble speaking

> ordinary words nevermind come up with esays and papers she used to

> write since she was 16. Aside from the 'brain tremours' she

mentioned,

> and amongst her advanced osteo-arthritic state in knees, hands etc

her

> hands shake as if she has passed the beginning stages of parkinsons.

> from what little i know, this sounds like MS symptoms, she also has

> the highest levels of acid in her body according to her specialist

> who's renowned in south africa. She was worried about her vocal

chords

> and so went to him to find out what to do and how far it had gone.

>

> I do not understand why constructing the simplest of sentences has

> become something which is alien. My sister knew words longer than

her

> height and know in her 19th week of chelation, it seems that

> everything is slowly but surely shutting down :-( !! We'd contracted

> mercury poisoning 6 yrs ago, she was 14 turning 15 and i was 17

> turning 18. She'd not gotten a proper monthly period since then and

as

> a result has been going through a really severe and advance

menopause

> with ALL the symptoms including a very very alarming loss of

> elasticity in the skin and SEVERE hair loss.

>

> We have so many of the symptoms dr. cutler mentioned in his book

that

> when she spoke to him, he said it was very unusual for anyone to

have

> that many at one time. If one is suppose to chelate .5 $ to 1 %

> everyday on this program, then why is this just getting worse ?

>

> I'm really at a loss because we try our best, although money is

> scarce, we try to only eat whatever limited foods are organic here

> when we can get it. We suppliment with vitamin c, co-enzyme, milk

> thistle and so on. Since we knew about the poisoning 12 months ago,

we

> filter our drinking water and have no touched seafood since then.

> Since south africa does not have organic meat, we barely touch

> anything aside from free range chicken on occasion. Our daily diet

> mainly consists of fruit, vegetable and usually

rice/bread/potatoes. I

> used to suppliment with the USN 100 % whey Protein Powder but since

> I'd started using it 5 months ago, I'm unsure whether there are

> rBST/rBGH growth hormones in the protein and though USN has said no,

> when asked for the certificate, they've failed to produce. Besides

> I've not gotten my periods for almost 12 weeks now and have put on

3.5

> kgs O_o and counting. as each week goes by i seem to add another .5

to

> 750 g of weight. Anyone heard anything shady about USN ?

>

> Anyway, someone please help me figure out what's going on because

> honestly I'm stumped.

>

> many thanks and best regards

> Fatimah

>

> If Dr. Cutler or anyone else can somehow shed some light on what is

> happening i'd greatly appreciate.

>

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I agree with the others. Those dosages are too high. Your symptoms sound like

redistribution. I also suffer from the joint symptoms you describe - its

horrible and I've

never found a satisfactory explanation for it.

Furthermore / you are using twice as much ALA as DMSA - I don't think this is

good. This

is my own opinion not andy cutlers but I believe its important to keep the ratio

of DMSA

\ALA at about 2:1. I personally use a dosage of approx 50mg DMSA to 30mg ALA.

Also try increasing fibre intake / wheat bran and apple pectin are useful.

>

> Hey all

>

> I'd purchased dr. Cutler's book a while back when my sister and I had

> started our 100 wk chelation using DMSA (100 mg every 4 hours for 3

> days on, 4 days off) and Alpha Lipoic acid (200 mg) everytime with the

> dmsa...including other vitamins & minerals.

>

> The thing is that we're done with our 19th week and none of the

> symptoms whatsoever are becoming the slightest bit better. In

> fact...during the past 3 minutes it seems that my body had become a

> machine that can 'click ' whenever i move any joints. I'm an athlete

> so if I'm doing pushups, my shoulders click everytime i do one, if i'm

> supposed to do squats, my knees joints click as if there's no joint

> fluid left there...I do not understand how this has happened so

> rapidly ???

>

> Also my younger 21 yr old sister, one of the most brilliantly minded

> people I've ever known or read about seem to have trouble speaking

> ordinary words nevermind come up with esays and papers she used to

> write since she was 16. Aside from the 'brain tremours' she mentioned,

> and amongst her advanced osteo-arthritic state in knees, hands etc her

> hands shake as if she has passed the beginning stages of parkinsons.

> from what little i know, this sounds like MS symptoms, she also has

> the highest levels of acid in her body according to her specialist

> who's renowned in south africa. She was worried about her vocal chords

> and so went to him to find out what to do and how far it had gone.

>

> I do not understand why constructing the simplest of sentences has

> become something which is alien. My sister knew words longer than her

> height and know in her 19th week of chelation, it seems that

> everything is slowly but surely shutting down :-( !! We'd contracted

> mercury poisoning 6 yrs ago, she was 14 turning 15 and i was 17

> turning 18. She'd not gotten a proper monthly period since then and as

> a result has been going through a really severe and advance menopause

> with ALL the symptoms including a very very alarming loss of

> elasticity in the skin and SEVERE hair loss.

>

> We have so many of the symptoms dr. cutler mentioned in his book that

> when she spoke to him, he said it was very unusual for anyone to have

> that many at one time. If one is suppose to chelate .5 $ to 1 %

> everyday on this program, then why is this just getting worse ?

>

> I'm really at a loss because we try our best, although money is

> scarce, we try to only eat whatever limited foods are organic here

> when we can get it. We suppliment with vitamin c, co-enzyme, milk

> thistle and so on. Since we knew about the poisoning 12 months ago, we

> filter our drinking water and have no touched seafood since then.

> Since south africa does not have organic meat, we barely touch

> anything aside from free range chicken on occasion. Our daily diet

> mainly consists of fruit, vegetable and usually rice/bread/potatoes. I

> used to suppliment with the USN 100 % whey Protein Powder but since

> I'd started using it 5 months ago, I'm unsure whether there are

> rBST/rBGH growth hormones in the protein and though USN has said no,

> when asked for the certificate, they've failed to produce. Besides

> I've not gotten my periods for almost 12 weeks now and have put on 3.5

> kgs O_o and counting. as each week goes by i seem to add another .5 to

> 750 g of weight. Anyone heard anything shady about USN ?

>

> Anyway, someone please help me figure out what's going on because

> honestly I'm stumped.

>

> many thanks and best regards

> Fatimah

>

> If Dr. Cutler or anyone else can somehow shed some light on what is

> happening i'd greatly appreciate.

>

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I agree with the others. Those dosages are too high. Your symptoms sound like

redistribution. I also suffer from the joint symptoms you describe - its

horrible and I've

never found a satisfactory explanation for it.

Furthermore / you are using twice as much ALA as DMSA - I don't think this is

good. This

is my own opinion not andy cutlers but I believe its important to keep the ratio

of DMSA

\ALA at about 2:1. I personally use a dosage of approx 50mg DMSA to 30mg ALA.

Also try increasing fibre intake / wheat bran and apple pectin are useful.

>

> Hey all

>

> I'd purchased dr. Cutler's book a while back when my sister and I had

> started our 100 wk chelation using DMSA (100 mg every 4 hours for 3

> days on, 4 days off) and Alpha Lipoic acid (200 mg) everytime with the

> dmsa...including other vitamins & minerals.

>

> The thing is that we're done with our 19th week and none of the

> symptoms whatsoever are becoming the slightest bit better. In

> fact...during the past 3 minutes it seems that my body had become a

> machine that can 'click ' whenever i move any joints. I'm an athlete

> so if I'm doing pushups, my shoulders click everytime i do one, if i'm

> supposed to do squats, my knees joints click as if there's no joint

> fluid left there...I do not understand how this has happened so

> rapidly ???

>

> Also my younger 21 yr old sister, one of the most brilliantly minded

> people I've ever known or read about seem to have trouble speaking

> ordinary words nevermind come up with esays and papers she used to

> write since she was 16. Aside from the 'brain tremours' she mentioned,

> and amongst her advanced osteo-arthritic state in knees, hands etc her

> hands shake as if she has passed the beginning stages of parkinsons.

> from what little i know, this sounds like MS symptoms, she also has

> the highest levels of acid in her body according to her specialist

> who's renowned in south africa. She was worried about her vocal chords

> and so went to him to find out what to do and how far it had gone.

>

> I do not understand why constructing the simplest of sentences has

> become something which is alien. My sister knew words longer than her

> height and know in her 19th week of chelation, it seems that

> everything is slowly but surely shutting down :-( !! We'd contracted

> mercury poisoning 6 yrs ago, she was 14 turning 15 and i was 17

> turning 18. She'd not gotten a proper monthly period since then and as

> a result has been going through a really severe and advance menopause

> with ALL the symptoms including a very very alarming loss of

> elasticity in the skin and SEVERE hair loss.

>

> We have so many of the symptoms dr. cutler mentioned in his book that

> when she spoke to him, he said it was very unusual for anyone to have

> that many at one time. If one is suppose to chelate .5 $ to 1 %

> everyday on this program, then why is this just getting worse ?

>

> I'm really at a loss because we try our best, although money is

> scarce, we try to only eat whatever limited foods are organic here

> when we can get it. We suppliment with vitamin c, co-enzyme, milk

> thistle and so on. Since we knew about the poisoning 12 months ago, we

> filter our drinking water and have no touched seafood since then.

> Since south africa does not have organic meat, we barely touch

> anything aside from free range chicken on occasion. Our daily diet

> mainly consists of fruit, vegetable and usually rice/bread/potatoes. I

> used to suppliment with the USN 100 % whey Protein Powder but since

> I'd started using it 5 months ago, I'm unsure whether there are

> rBST/rBGH growth hormones in the protein and though USN has said no,

> when asked for the certificate, they've failed to produce. Besides

> I've not gotten my periods for almost 12 weeks now and have put on 3.5

> kgs O_o and counting. as each week goes by i seem to add another .5 to

> 750 g of weight. Anyone heard anything shady about USN ?

>

> Anyway, someone please help me figure out what's going on because

> honestly I'm stumped.

>

> many thanks and best regards

> Fatimah

>

> If Dr. Cutler or anyone else can somehow shed some light on what is

> happening i'd greatly appreciate.

>

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Yes,

These dosages are WAY, WAY too high and are probably hurting you.

As Andy says there is 'no healing crisis' with mercury detoxification and you

are causing damage with such high doses, especially if your body can't keep up

with the detox.

I'm so glad I got to this group before I started chelating or may have started

to high too, or moved too fast. Thanks to TK and others I started at 12.5mg DMSA

and took it for many rounds before increasing and then adding 12.5 ALA. Even the

first few rounds the side-effects were a lot, but now are unperceivable. I'm now

on Round 24 and have settled at 50 DMSA and 30 ALA and don't intend going higher

for a long time. Because there are no side-effects on round I know my body is

keeping up with the detox.

I actually feel very good most of the time now whether I'm on or off round. I

used to feel much better on-round.

The biggest help so far is when I decided about 3 weeks ago to add some

Hydrocortisone to support my adrenals(I though they could do with a rest and so

committed to a 3 month process with HC). I'm now taking 10mg per day and once

again the people on this list were 100% correct. The support makes a HUGE, HUGE

difference.

It is almost as if the body requires extra cortisol while you chelate to fix

damage and I definitely recommend it especially in the beginning. Maybe you

should consider slowing and lowering the dose of chelation and taking some HC to

settle your adrenals?

In South Africa it is known as Covacort.

Two others I know started with ALA and could not even tolerate 12.5mg due to

excessive symptoms. 200mg is a very dangerous amount and you should really bring

the dose down a lot. Keeping going at that rate could cause permanent damage.

Dean

>

> Hey all

>

> I'd purchased dr. Cutler's book a while back when my sister and I had

> started our 100 wk chelation using DMSA (100 mg every 4 hours for 3

> days on, 4 days off) and Alpha Lipoic acid (200 mg) everytime with the

> dmsa...including other vitamins & minerals.

>

> The thing is that we're done with our 19th week and none of the

> symptoms whatsoever are becoming the slightest bit better. In

> fact...during the past 3 minutes it seems that my body had become a

> machine that can 'click ' whenever i move any joints. I'm an athlete

> so if I'm doing pushups, my shoulders click everytime i do one, if i'm

> supposed to do squats, my knees joints click as if there's no joint

> fluid left there...I do not understand how this has happened so

> rapidly ???

>

> Also my younger 21 yr old sister, one of the most brilliantly minded

> people I've ever known or read about seem to have trouble speaking

> ordinary words nevermind come up with esays and papers she used to

> write since she was 16. Aside from the 'brain tremours' she mentioned,

> and amongst her advanced osteo-arthritic state in knees, hands etc her

> hands shake as if she has passed the beginning stages of parkinsons.

> from what little i know, this sounds like MS symptoms, she also has

> the highest levels of acid in her body according to her specialist

> who's renowned in south africa. She was worried about her vocal chords

> and so went to him to find out what to do and how far it had gone.

>

> I do not understand why constructing the simplest of sentences has

> become something which is alien. My sister knew words longer than her

> height and know in her 19th week of chelation, it seems that

> everything is slowly but surely shutting down :-( !! We'd contracted

> mercury poisoning 6 yrs ago, she was 14 turning 15 and i was 17

> turning 18. She'd not gotten a proper monthly period since then and as

> a result has been going through a really severe and advance menopause

> with ALL the symptoms including a very very alarming loss of

> elasticity in the skin and SEVERE hair loss.

>

> We have so many of the symptoms dr. cutler mentioned in his book that

> when she spoke to him, he said it was very unusual for anyone to have

> that many at one time. If one is suppose to chelate .5 $ to 1 %

> everyday on this program, then why is this just getting worse ?

>

> I'm really at a loss because we try our best, although money is

> scarce, we try to only eat whatever limited foods are organic here

> when we can get it. We suppliment with vitamin c, co-enzyme, milk

> thistle and so on. Since we knew about the poisoning 12 months ago, we

> filter our drinking water and have no touched seafood since then.

> Since south africa does not have organic meat, we barely touch

> anything aside from free range chicken on occasion. Our daily diet

> mainly consists of fruit, vegetable and usually rice/bread/potatoes. I

> used to suppliment with the USN 100 % whey Protein Powder but since

> I'd started using it 5 months ago, I'm unsure whether there are

> rBST/rBGH growth hormones in the protein and though USN has said no,

> when asked for the certificate, they've failed to produce. Besides

> I've not gotten my periods for almost 12 weeks now and have put on 3.5

> kgs O_o and counting. as each week goes by i seem to add another .5 to

> 750 g of weight. Anyone heard anything shady about USN ?

>

> Anyway, someone please help me figure out what's going on because

> honestly I'm stumped.

>

> many thanks and best regards

> Fatimah

>

> If Dr. Cutler or anyone else can somehow shed some light on what is

> happening i'd greatly appreciate.

>

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Yes,

These dosages are WAY, WAY too high and are probably hurting you.

As Andy says there is 'no healing crisis' with mercury detoxification and you

are causing damage with such high doses, especially if your body can't keep up

with the detox.

I'm so glad I got to this group before I started chelating or may have started

to high too, or moved too fast. Thanks to TK and others I started at 12.5mg DMSA

and took it for many rounds before increasing and then adding 12.5 ALA. Even the

first few rounds the side-effects were a lot, but now are unperceivable. I'm now

on Round 24 and have settled at 50 DMSA and 30 ALA and don't intend going higher

for a long time. Because there are no side-effects on round I know my body is

keeping up with the detox.

I actually feel very good most of the time now whether I'm on or off round. I

used to feel much better on-round.

The biggest help so far is when I decided about 3 weeks ago to add some

Hydrocortisone to support my adrenals(I though they could do with a rest and so

committed to a 3 month process with HC). I'm now taking 10mg per day and once

again the people on this list were 100% correct. The support makes a HUGE, HUGE

difference.

It is almost as if the body requires extra cortisol while you chelate to fix

damage and I definitely recommend it especially in the beginning. Maybe you

should consider slowing and lowering the dose of chelation and taking some HC to

settle your adrenals?

In South Africa it is known as Covacort.

Two others I know started with ALA and could not even tolerate 12.5mg due to

excessive symptoms. 200mg is a very dangerous amount and you should really bring

the dose down a lot. Keeping going at that rate could cause permanent damage.

Dean

>

> Hey all

>

> I'd purchased dr. Cutler's book a while back when my sister and I had

> started our 100 wk chelation using DMSA (100 mg every 4 hours for 3

> days on, 4 days off) and Alpha Lipoic acid (200 mg) everytime with the

> dmsa...including other vitamins & minerals.

>

> The thing is that we're done with our 19th week and none of the

> symptoms whatsoever are becoming the slightest bit better. In

> fact...during the past 3 minutes it seems that my body had become a

> machine that can 'click ' whenever i move any joints. I'm an athlete

> so if I'm doing pushups, my shoulders click everytime i do one, if i'm

> supposed to do squats, my knees joints click as if there's no joint

> fluid left there...I do not understand how this has happened so

> rapidly ???

>

> Also my younger 21 yr old sister, one of the most brilliantly minded

> people I've ever known or read about seem to have trouble speaking

> ordinary words nevermind come up with esays and papers she used to

> write since she was 16. Aside from the 'brain tremours' she mentioned,

> and amongst her advanced osteo-arthritic state in knees, hands etc her

> hands shake as if she has passed the beginning stages of parkinsons.

> from what little i know, this sounds like MS symptoms, she also has

> the highest levels of acid in her body according to her specialist

> who's renowned in south africa. She was worried about her vocal chords

> and so went to him to find out what to do and how far it had gone.

>

> I do not understand why constructing the simplest of sentences has

> become something which is alien. My sister knew words longer than her

> height and know in her 19th week of chelation, it seems that

> everything is slowly but surely shutting down :-( !! We'd contracted

> mercury poisoning 6 yrs ago, she was 14 turning 15 and i was 17

> turning 18. She'd not gotten a proper monthly period since then and as

> a result has been going through a really severe and advance menopause

> with ALL the symptoms including a very very alarming loss of

> elasticity in the skin and SEVERE hair loss.

>

> We have so many of the symptoms dr. cutler mentioned in his book that

> when she spoke to him, he said it was very unusual for anyone to have

> that many at one time. If one is suppose to chelate .5 $ to 1 %

> everyday on this program, then why is this just getting worse ?

>

> I'm really at a loss because we try our best, although money is

> scarce, we try to only eat whatever limited foods are organic here

> when we can get it. We suppliment with vitamin c, co-enzyme, milk

> thistle and so on. Since we knew about the poisoning 12 months ago, we

> filter our drinking water and have no touched seafood since then.

> Since south africa does not have organic meat, we barely touch

> anything aside from free range chicken on occasion. Our daily diet

> mainly consists of fruit, vegetable and usually rice/bread/potatoes. I

> used to suppliment with the USN 100 % whey Protein Powder but since

> I'd started using it 5 months ago, I'm unsure whether there are

> rBST/rBGH growth hormones in the protein and though USN has said no,

> when asked for the certificate, they've failed to produce. Besides

> I've not gotten my periods for almost 12 weeks now and have put on 3.5

> kgs O_o and counting. as each week goes by i seem to add another .5 to

> 750 g of weight. Anyone heard anything shady about USN ?

>

> Anyway, someone please help me figure out what's going on because

> honestly I'm stumped.

>

> many thanks and best regards

> Fatimah

>

> If Dr. Cutler or anyone else can somehow shed some light on what is

> happening i'd greatly appreciate.

>

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> Yes,

> These dosages are WAY, WAY too high and are probably hurting you.

> As Andy says there is 'no healing crisis' with mercury

detoxification and you are causing damage with such high doses,

especially if your body can't keep up with the detox.

>

> I'm so glad I got to this group before I started chelating or may

have started to high too, or moved too fast. Thanks to TK and others

I started at 12.5mg DMSA and took it for many rounds before

increasing and then adding 12.5 ALA. Even the first few rounds the

side-effects were a lot, but now are unperceivable. I'm now on Round

24 and have settled at 50 DMSA and 30 ALA and don't intend going

higher for a long time. Because there are no side-effects on round I

know my body is keeping up with the detox.

> I actually feel very good most of the time now whether I'm on or

off round. I used to feel much better on-round.

> The biggest help so far is when I decided about 3 weeks ago to add

some Hydrocortisone to support my adrenals(I though they could do

with a rest and so committed to a 3 month process with HC). I'm now

taking 10mg per day and once again the people on this list were 100%

correct. The support makes a HUGE, HUGE difference.

> It is almost as if the body requires extra cortisol while you

chelate to fix damage and I definitely recommend it especially in

the beginning. Maybe you should consider slowing and lowering the

dose of chelation and taking some HC to settle your adrenals?

> In South Africa it is known as Covacort.

>

> Two others I know started with ALA and could not even tolerate

12.5mg due to excessive symptoms. 200mg is a very dangerous amount

and you should really bring the dose down a lot. Keeping going at

that rate could cause permanent damage.

> Dean

-------------------------------------

Dean,

Thank you so much for your post. I'm glad to hear you've noticed

improvement from chelation - I just wish more people would post such

positive reports. I happen to know some people don't really stay

with this forum because they don't see enough positive results.

God bless,

Val

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> Yes,

> These dosages are WAY, WAY too high and are probably hurting you.

> As Andy says there is 'no healing crisis' with mercury

detoxification and you are causing damage with such high doses,

especially if your body can't keep up with the detox.

>

> I'm so glad I got to this group before I started chelating or may

have started to high too, or moved too fast. Thanks to TK and others

I started at 12.5mg DMSA and took it for many rounds before

increasing and then adding 12.5 ALA. Even the first few rounds the

side-effects were a lot, but now are unperceivable. I'm now on Round

24 and have settled at 50 DMSA and 30 ALA and don't intend going

higher for a long time. Because there are no side-effects on round I

know my body is keeping up with the detox.

> I actually feel very good most of the time now whether I'm on or

off round. I used to feel much better on-round.

> The biggest help so far is when I decided about 3 weeks ago to add

some Hydrocortisone to support my adrenals(I though they could do

with a rest and so committed to a 3 month process with HC). I'm now

taking 10mg per day and once again the people on this list were 100%

correct. The support makes a HUGE, HUGE difference.

> It is almost as if the body requires extra cortisol while you

chelate to fix damage and I definitely recommend it especially in

the beginning. Maybe you should consider slowing and lowering the

dose of chelation and taking some HC to settle your adrenals?

> In South Africa it is known as Covacort.

>

> Two others I know started with ALA and could not even tolerate

12.5mg due to excessive symptoms. 200mg is a very dangerous amount

and you should really bring the dose down a lot. Keeping going at

that rate could cause permanent damage.

> Dean

-------------------------------------

Dean,

Thank you so much for your post. I'm glad to hear you've noticed

improvement from chelation - I just wish more people would post such

positive reports. I happen to know some people don't really stay

with this forum because they don't see enough positive results.

God bless,

Val

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I'll chime in here too and say your dosage is WAY TOO HIGH. Also,

have you checked your copper levels? If its high, using such high

levels of ALA may be making you retain copper - not a good thing.

Also,something which I don't think is stressed enough by Andy is

supporting your endocrine system before you start chelating. The smart

folks here (tk,linda,stephanie) have wisely advised me to do this

first. My saliva test results came back with adrenal problems. So,

although chelation would probably help my adrenals it would tax them

so much in the process that I'm not sure what the end result would be??

This is all unfortunately a rather complex, multi-step process for

those of us who have been poisoned for years and years. But the

folks here are so knowledgable and helpful - AND FREE- so keep posting

and don't give up.

Val

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I'll chime in here too and say your dosage is WAY TOO HIGH. Also,

have you checked your copper levels? If its high, using such high

levels of ALA may be making you retain copper - not a good thing.

Also,something which I don't think is stressed enough by Andy is

supporting your endocrine system before you start chelating. The smart

folks here (tk,linda,stephanie) have wisely advised me to do this

first. My saliva test results came back with adrenal problems. So,

although chelation would probably help my adrenals it would tax them

so much in the process that I'm not sure what the end result would be??

This is all unfortunately a rather complex, multi-step process for

those of us who have been poisoned for years and years. But the

folks here are so knowledgable and helpful - AND FREE- so keep posting

and don't give up.

Val

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I'll chime in here too and say your dosage is WAY TOO HIGH. Also,

have you checked your copper levels? If its high, using such high

levels of ALA may be making you retain copper - not a good thing.

Also,something which I don't think is stressed enough by Andy is

supporting your endocrine system before you start chelating. The smart

folks here (tk,linda,stephanie) have wisely advised me to do this

first. My saliva test results came back with adrenal problems. So,

although chelation would probably help my adrenals it would tax them

so much in the process that I'm not sure what the end result would be??

This is all unfortunately a rather complex, multi-step process for

those of us who have been poisoned for years and years. But the

folks here are so knowledgable and helpful - AND FREE- so keep posting

and don't give up.

Val

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Hello :-)

I do understand the doses are high but, unless i had read wrong, dr.

cutler had said in his book (apologies , it's pg 90, not 161

) 50 - 100 mg of dmsa and 50 - 200 mg of ala

My sister's lost a very large and horrifying sum of joint fluid so

everytime she takes a step, i can hear her bones 'crunch'/grind

against one another. Has yours improved any ? I'm starting to feel

panic settling over me (can't play professional sports if i don't have

my joints working ! :-( )

We do eat between 50 - 100 g of porridge, and consume about 3 - 5

fruit a day excluding vegetables. Both of us have gluten intolerance,

we had tried wheatbran but it didn't go down too well.

Thanks so much for replying.

> >

> > Hey all

> >

> > I'd purchased dr. Cutler's book a while back when my sister and I had

> > started our 100 wk chelation using DMSA (100 mg every 4 hours for 3

> > days on, 4 days off) and Alpha Lipoic acid (200 mg) everytime with the

> > dmsa...including other vitamins & minerals.

> >

> > The thing is that we're done with our 19th week and none of the

> > symptoms whatsoever are becoming the slightest bit better. In

> > fact...during the past 3 minutes it seems that my body had become a

> > machine that can 'click ' whenever i move any joints. I'm an athlete

> > so if I'm doing pushups, my shoulders click everytime i do one, if i'm

> > supposed to do squats, my knees joints click as if there's no joint

> > fluid left there...I do not understand how this has happened so

> > rapidly ???

> >

> > Also my younger 21 yr old sister, one of the most brilliantly minded

> > people I've ever known or read about seem to have trouble speaking

> > ordinary words nevermind come up with esays and papers she used to

> > write since she was 16. Aside from the 'brain tremours' she mentioned,

> > and amongst her advanced osteo-arthritic state in knees, hands etc her

> > hands shake as if she has passed the beginning stages of parkinsons.

> > from what little i know, this sounds like MS symptoms, she also has

> > the highest levels of acid in her body according to her specialist

> > who's renowned in south africa. She was worried about her vocal chords

> > and so went to him to find out what to do and how far it had gone.

> >

> > I do not understand why constructing the simplest of sentences has

> > become something which is alien. My sister knew words longer than her

> > height and know in her 19th week of chelation, it seems that

> > everything is slowly but surely shutting down :-( !! We'd contracted

> > mercury poisoning 6 yrs ago, she was 14 turning 15 and i was 17

> > turning 18. She'd not gotten a proper monthly period since then and as

> > a result has been going through a really severe and advance menopause

> > with ALL the symptoms including a very very alarming loss of

> > elasticity in the skin and SEVERE hair loss.

> >

> > We have so many of the symptoms dr. cutler mentioned in his book that

> > when she spoke to him, he said it was very unusual for anyone to have

> > that many at one time. If one is suppose to chelate .5 $ to 1 %

> > everyday on this program, then why is this just getting worse ?

> >

> > I'm really at a loss because we try our best, although money is

> > scarce, we try to only eat whatever limited foods are organic here

> > when we can get it. We suppliment with vitamin c, co-enzyme, milk

> > thistle and so on. Since we knew about the poisoning 12 months ago, we

> > filter our drinking water and have no touched seafood since then.

> > Since south africa does not have organic meat, we barely touch

> > anything aside from free range chicken on occasion. Our daily diet

> > mainly consists of fruit, vegetable and usually rice/bread/potatoes. I

> > used to suppliment with the USN 100 % whey Protein Powder but since

> > I'd started using it 5 months ago, I'm unsure whether there are

> > rBST/rBGH growth hormones in the protein and though USN has said no,

> > when asked for the certificate, they've failed to produce. Besides

> > I've not gotten my periods for almost 12 weeks now and have put on 3.5

> > kgs O_o and counting. as each week goes by i seem to add another .5 to

> > 750 g of weight. Anyone heard anything shady about USN ?

> >

> > Anyway, someone please help me figure out what's going on because

> > honestly I'm stumped.

> >

> > many thanks and best regards

> > Fatimah

> >

> > If Dr. Cutler or anyone else can somehow shed some light on what is

> > happening i'd greatly appreciate.

> >

>

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Hello :-)

I do understand the doses are high but, unless i had read wrong, dr.

cutler had said in his book (apologies , it's pg 90, not 161

) 50 - 100 mg of dmsa and 50 - 200 mg of ala

My sister's lost a very large and horrifying sum of joint fluid so

everytime she takes a step, i can hear her bones 'crunch'/grind

against one another. Has yours improved any ? I'm starting to feel

panic settling over me (can't play professional sports if i don't have

my joints working ! :-( )

We do eat between 50 - 100 g of porridge, and consume about 3 - 5

fruit a day excluding vegetables. Both of us have gluten intolerance,

we had tried wheatbran but it didn't go down too well.

Thanks so much for replying.

> >

> > Hey all

> >

> > I'd purchased dr. Cutler's book a while back when my sister and I had

> > started our 100 wk chelation using DMSA (100 mg every 4 hours for 3

> > days on, 4 days off) and Alpha Lipoic acid (200 mg) everytime with the

> > dmsa...including other vitamins & minerals.

> >

> > The thing is that we're done with our 19th week and none of the

> > symptoms whatsoever are becoming the slightest bit better. In

> > fact...during the past 3 minutes it seems that my body had become a

> > machine that can 'click ' whenever i move any joints. I'm an athlete

> > so if I'm doing pushups, my shoulders click everytime i do one, if i'm

> > supposed to do squats, my knees joints click as if there's no joint

> > fluid left there...I do not understand how this has happened so

> > rapidly ???

> >

> > Also my younger 21 yr old sister, one of the most brilliantly minded

> > people I've ever known or read about seem to have trouble speaking

> > ordinary words nevermind come up with esays and papers she used to

> > write since she was 16. Aside from the 'brain tremours' she mentioned,

> > and amongst her advanced osteo-arthritic state in knees, hands etc her

> > hands shake as if she has passed the beginning stages of parkinsons.

> > from what little i know, this sounds like MS symptoms, she also has

> > the highest levels of acid in her body according to her specialist

> > who's renowned in south africa. She was worried about her vocal chords

> > and so went to him to find out what to do and how far it had gone.

> >

> > I do not understand why constructing the simplest of sentences has

> > become something which is alien. My sister knew words longer than her

> > height and know in her 19th week of chelation, it seems that

> > everything is slowly but surely shutting down :-( !! We'd contracted

> > mercury poisoning 6 yrs ago, she was 14 turning 15 and i was 17

> > turning 18. She'd not gotten a proper monthly period since then and as

> > a result has been going through a really severe and advance menopause

> > with ALL the symptoms including a very very alarming loss of

> > elasticity in the skin and SEVERE hair loss.

> >

> > We have so many of the symptoms dr. cutler mentioned in his book that

> > when she spoke to him, he said it was very unusual for anyone to have

> > that many at one time. If one is suppose to chelate .5 $ to 1 %

> > everyday on this program, then why is this just getting worse ?

> >

> > I'm really at a loss because we try our best, although money is

> > scarce, we try to only eat whatever limited foods are organic here

> > when we can get it. We suppliment with vitamin c, co-enzyme, milk

> > thistle and so on. Since we knew about the poisoning 12 months ago, we

> > filter our drinking water and have no touched seafood since then.

> > Since south africa does not have organic meat, we barely touch

> > anything aside from free range chicken on occasion. Our daily diet

> > mainly consists of fruit, vegetable and usually rice/bread/potatoes. I

> > used to suppliment with the USN 100 % whey Protein Powder but since

> > I'd started using it 5 months ago, I'm unsure whether there are

> > rBST/rBGH growth hormones in the protein and though USN has said no,

> > when asked for the certificate, they've failed to produce. Besides

> > I've not gotten my periods for almost 12 weeks now and have put on 3.5

> > kgs O_o and counting. as each week goes by i seem to add another .5 to

> > 750 g of weight. Anyone heard anything shady about USN ?

> >

> > Anyway, someone please help me figure out what's going on because

> > honestly I'm stumped.

> >

> > many thanks and best regards

> > Fatimah

> >

> > If Dr. Cutler or anyone else can somehow shed some light on what is

> > happening i'd greatly appreciate.

> >

>

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Hello :-)

I do understand the doses are high but, unless i had read wrong, dr.

cutler had said in his book (apologies , it's pg 90, not 161

) 50 - 100 mg of dmsa and 50 - 200 mg of ala

My sister's lost a very large and horrifying sum of joint fluid so

everytime she takes a step, i can hear her bones 'crunch'/grind

against one another. Has yours improved any ? I'm starting to feel

panic settling over me (can't play professional sports if i don't have

my joints working ! :-( )

We do eat between 50 - 100 g of porridge, and consume about 3 - 5

fruit a day excluding vegetables. Both of us have gluten intolerance,

we had tried wheatbran but it didn't go down too well.

Thanks so much for replying.

> >

> > Hey all

> >

> > I'd purchased dr. Cutler's book a while back when my sister and I had

> > started our 100 wk chelation using DMSA (100 mg every 4 hours for 3

> > days on, 4 days off) and Alpha Lipoic acid (200 mg) everytime with the

> > dmsa...including other vitamins & minerals.

> >

> > The thing is that we're done with our 19th week and none of the

> > symptoms whatsoever are becoming the slightest bit better. In

> > fact...during the past 3 minutes it seems that my body had become a

> > machine that can 'click ' whenever i move any joints. I'm an athlete

> > so if I'm doing pushups, my shoulders click everytime i do one, if i'm

> > supposed to do squats, my knees joints click as if there's no joint

> > fluid left there...I do not understand how this has happened so

> > rapidly ???

> >

> > Also my younger 21 yr old sister, one of the most brilliantly minded

> > people I've ever known or read about seem to have trouble speaking

> > ordinary words nevermind come up with esays and papers she used to

> > write since she was 16. Aside from the 'brain tremours' she mentioned,

> > and amongst her advanced osteo-arthritic state in knees, hands etc her

> > hands shake as if she has passed the beginning stages of parkinsons.

> > from what little i know, this sounds like MS symptoms, she also has

> > the highest levels of acid in her body according to her specialist

> > who's renowned in south africa. She was worried about her vocal chords

> > and so went to him to find out what to do and how far it had gone.

> >

> > I do not understand why constructing the simplest of sentences has

> > become something which is alien. My sister knew words longer than her

> > height and know in her 19th week of chelation, it seems that

> > everything is slowly but surely shutting down :-( !! We'd contracted

> > mercury poisoning 6 yrs ago, she was 14 turning 15 and i was 17

> > turning 18. She'd not gotten a proper monthly period since then and as

> > a result has been going through a really severe and advance menopause

> > with ALL the symptoms including a very very alarming loss of

> > elasticity in the skin and SEVERE hair loss.

> >

> > We have so many of the symptoms dr. cutler mentioned in his book that

> > when she spoke to him, he said it was very unusual for anyone to have

> > that many at one time. If one is suppose to chelate .5 $ to 1 %

> > everyday on this program, then why is this just getting worse ?

> >

> > I'm really at a loss because we try our best, although money is

> > scarce, we try to only eat whatever limited foods are organic here

> > when we can get it. We suppliment with vitamin c, co-enzyme, milk

> > thistle and so on. Since we knew about the poisoning 12 months ago, we

> > filter our drinking water and have no touched seafood since then.

> > Since south africa does not have organic meat, we barely touch

> > anything aside from free range chicken on occasion. Our daily diet

> > mainly consists of fruit, vegetable and usually rice/bread/potatoes. I

> > used to suppliment with the USN 100 % whey Protein Powder but since

> > I'd started using it 5 months ago, I'm unsure whether there are

> > rBST/rBGH growth hormones in the protein and though USN has said no,

> > when asked for the certificate, they've failed to produce. Besides

> > I've not gotten my periods for almost 12 weeks now and have put on 3.5

> > kgs O_o and counting. as each week goes by i seem to add another .5 to

> > 750 g of weight. Anyone heard anything shady about USN ?

> >

> > Anyway, someone please help me figure out what's going on because

> > honestly I'm stumped.

> >

> > many thanks and best regards

> > Fatimah

> >

> > If Dr. Cutler or anyone else can somehow shed some light on what is

> > happening i'd greatly appreciate.

> >

>

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> Hi

>

> Thanks for replying. We've never taken vaccines aside from the ones

> received as children, the last time i can remember taking one was when

> i was 11 yrs old. No fish/seafood whatsoever. Last amalgams for all of

> us were removed in Jan/Feb this year. We thought our water might be

> contaminated after finding out we had the poisoning so we had gotten a

> filter that's supposed to remove things like Hg, cadmium, lead etc etc

Another possible source is hidden amalgam remaining under crowns.

How do you know you are mercury poisoned, other than symptoms?

Have you had hair tests? Was the original source of mercury

from amalgams, or did you have other exposure?

> I do understand that the doses were high, but they were within dr.

> cutler's ranger of 50 - 100 mg of dmsa and upto 200 mg of ala on pg

> 161 (i think that's the page) of his book. We do know about

Did you start at lower doses and increased slowly to your current

doses? Can you pinpoint roughly when the symptoms became worse,

or was it a gradual thing?

> chlorella/spirulina and no, don't consume them. My sister does have

> hormonal trouble, her testosterone levels are really high, androgens

> as well. she hasn't had her periods really since she was 15 whereas

> before that, they arrived like clockwork since she'd gotten them at

> 11. I'd forgotten to say that about 6 weeks ago inoctober, we had the

> dmsa cut off from us as customs would not allow it into the country

> for almost 3 weeks...the package was sent back and we had to redo the

> order. Things went really crazy then regarding all the symptoms. I

Okay, so the symptoms did not actually get worse until you ran out

of DMSA?? Or were things going downhill before that?

Were you able to get more DMSA?

> have really high cortisol levels, my sister's adrenals are out of sync

> yet our physician who's one of the best endocrinologist/diabetologist

> in south africa says all is fine and no one should be worrying about

That is a typical reaction of endos here, as well. What type of

testing did you do - saliva, blood, urine? Were your cortisol

levels high all the time or only at certain times of day? Did

you test DHEA, or any other hormnones, as well?

> these levels. As far as i can tell we do not hangout in industrial

> areas, nor dentist offices etc. Pollution aside, i don't think we're

> getting it from anywhere else.

It sounds like you don't know of any current exposure. Sometimes

people have trouble with chelation and later discover that amalgam

was left under a crown. If you have any crowns, you may want to

go back to the dentist to check under the crowns for any trace of

remaining amalgam.

> My sister's acid problem began before we started using dmsa/ala. She's

> a musician so around 5 yrs ago she'd just started going for vocal

> training when a few months later her teacher told her that it would

> damage her to carry one since he could hear the hoarseness in her

> voice. After that she's gone to a specialist recommened who said that

> she had ridiculously high levels of acid and he gave her the 'basic'

> what to eat/stay away from/how to deal and so on. none of it really

> helps though. We do not eat things like curries,oily/fried foods etc

> so when he told her to cut that out it was quite funny (I've been a

> diabetic since 10 and my mother's never allowed that sort of food)

You might try slippery elm to relieve acid symptoms, both in the

stomach and in the throat. Digestive enzymes might help with

stomach problems, too. If dysbiosis is a factor, then treating

pathogens may help.

Even if the ALA is not causing the acid problem, it is acidic

and could be exacerbating your sister's symptoms. I still think

it is an unnecessarily high dose and you will both do better if

you drop it for several rounds until you figure out what the

problem is.

The 3 hour dosing of ALA is also important. Andy does think

people do better on 3 hour dosing of ALA vs. 4 hours.

--

> Many thanks for the reply, much appreciated.

> Fatimah

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> Hi

>

> Thanks for replying. We've never taken vaccines aside from the ones

> received as children, the last time i can remember taking one was when

> i was 11 yrs old. No fish/seafood whatsoever. Last amalgams for all of

> us were removed in Jan/Feb this year. We thought our water might be

> contaminated after finding out we had the poisoning so we had gotten a

> filter that's supposed to remove things like Hg, cadmium, lead etc etc

Another possible source is hidden amalgam remaining under crowns.

How do you know you are mercury poisoned, other than symptoms?

Have you had hair tests? Was the original source of mercury

from amalgams, or did you have other exposure?

> I do understand that the doses were high, but they were within dr.

> cutler's ranger of 50 - 100 mg of dmsa and upto 200 mg of ala on pg

> 161 (i think that's the page) of his book. We do know about

Did you start at lower doses and increased slowly to your current

doses? Can you pinpoint roughly when the symptoms became worse,

or was it a gradual thing?

> chlorella/spirulina and no, don't consume them. My sister does have

> hormonal trouble, her testosterone levels are really high, androgens

> as well. she hasn't had her periods really since she was 15 whereas

> before that, they arrived like clockwork since she'd gotten them at

> 11. I'd forgotten to say that about 6 weeks ago inoctober, we had the

> dmsa cut off from us as customs would not allow it into the country

> for almost 3 weeks...the package was sent back and we had to redo the

> order. Things went really crazy then regarding all the symptoms. I

Okay, so the symptoms did not actually get worse until you ran out

of DMSA?? Or were things going downhill before that?

Were you able to get more DMSA?

> have really high cortisol levels, my sister's adrenals are out of sync

> yet our physician who's one of the best endocrinologist/diabetologist

> in south africa says all is fine and no one should be worrying about

That is a typical reaction of endos here, as well. What type of

testing did you do - saliva, blood, urine? Were your cortisol

levels high all the time or only at certain times of day? Did

you test DHEA, or any other hormnones, as well?

> these levels. As far as i can tell we do not hangout in industrial

> areas, nor dentist offices etc. Pollution aside, i don't think we're

> getting it from anywhere else.

It sounds like you don't know of any current exposure. Sometimes

people have trouble with chelation and later discover that amalgam

was left under a crown. If you have any crowns, you may want to

go back to the dentist to check under the crowns for any trace of

remaining amalgam.

> My sister's acid problem began before we started using dmsa/ala. She's

> a musician so around 5 yrs ago she'd just started going for vocal

> training when a few months later her teacher told her that it would

> damage her to carry one since he could hear the hoarseness in her

> voice. After that she's gone to a specialist recommened who said that

> she had ridiculously high levels of acid and he gave her the 'basic'

> what to eat/stay away from/how to deal and so on. none of it really

> helps though. We do not eat things like curries,oily/fried foods etc

> so when he told her to cut that out it was quite funny (I've been a

> diabetic since 10 and my mother's never allowed that sort of food)

You might try slippery elm to relieve acid symptoms, both in the

stomach and in the throat. Digestive enzymes might help with

stomach problems, too. If dysbiosis is a factor, then treating

pathogens may help.

Even if the ALA is not causing the acid problem, it is acidic

and could be exacerbating your sister's symptoms. I still think

it is an unnecessarily high dose and you will both do better if

you drop it for several rounds until you figure out what the

problem is.

The 3 hour dosing of ALA is also important. Andy does think

people do better on 3 hour dosing of ALA vs. 4 hours.

--

> Many thanks for the reply, much appreciated.

> Fatimah

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> Hi

>

> Thanks for replying. We've never taken vaccines aside from the ones

> received as children, the last time i can remember taking one was when

> i was 11 yrs old. No fish/seafood whatsoever. Last amalgams for all of

> us were removed in Jan/Feb this year. We thought our water might be

> contaminated after finding out we had the poisoning so we had gotten a

> filter that's supposed to remove things like Hg, cadmium, lead etc etc

Another possible source is hidden amalgam remaining under crowns.

How do you know you are mercury poisoned, other than symptoms?

Have you had hair tests? Was the original source of mercury

from amalgams, or did you have other exposure?

> I do understand that the doses were high, but they were within dr.

> cutler's ranger of 50 - 100 mg of dmsa and upto 200 mg of ala on pg

> 161 (i think that's the page) of his book. We do know about

Did you start at lower doses and increased slowly to your current

doses? Can you pinpoint roughly when the symptoms became worse,

or was it a gradual thing?

> chlorella/spirulina and no, don't consume them. My sister does have

> hormonal trouble, her testosterone levels are really high, androgens

> as well. she hasn't had her periods really since she was 15 whereas

> before that, they arrived like clockwork since she'd gotten them at

> 11. I'd forgotten to say that about 6 weeks ago inoctober, we had the

> dmsa cut off from us as customs would not allow it into the country

> for almost 3 weeks...the package was sent back and we had to redo the

> order. Things went really crazy then regarding all the symptoms. I

Okay, so the symptoms did not actually get worse until you ran out

of DMSA?? Or were things going downhill before that?

Were you able to get more DMSA?

> have really high cortisol levels, my sister's adrenals are out of sync

> yet our physician who's one of the best endocrinologist/diabetologist

> in south africa says all is fine and no one should be worrying about

That is a typical reaction of endos here, as well. What type of

testing did you do - saliva, blood, urine? Were your cortisol

levels high all the time or only at certain times of day? Did

you test DHEA, or any other hormnones, as well?

> these levels. As far as i can tell we do not hangout in industrial

> areas, nor dentist offices etc. Pollution aside, i don't think we're

> getting it from anywhere else.

It sounds like you don't know of any current exposure. Sometimes

people have trouble with chelation and later discover that amalgam

was left under a crown. If you have any crowns, you may want to

go back to the dentist to check under the crowns for any trace of

remaining amalgam.

> My sister's acid problem began before we started using dmsa/ala. She's

> a musician so around 5 yrs ago she'd just started going for vocal

> training when a few months later her teacher told her that it would

> damage her to carry one since he could hear the hoarseness in her

> voice. After that she's gone to a specialist recommened who said that

> she had ridiculously high levels of acid and he gave her the 'basic'

> what to eat/stay away from/how to deal and so on. none of it really

> helps though. We do not eat things like curries,oily/fried foods etc

> so when he told her to cut that out it was quite funny (I've been a

> diabetic since 10 and my mother's never allowed that sort of food)

You might try slippery elm to relieve acid symptoms, both in the

stomach and in the throat. Digestive enzymes might help with

stomach problems, too. If dysbiosis is a factor, then treating

pathogens may help.

Even if the ALA is not causing the acid problem, it is acidic

and could be exacerbating your sister's symptoms. I still think

it is an unnecessarily high dose and you will both do better if

you drop it for several rounds until you figure out what the

problem is.

The 3 hour dosing of ALA is also important. Andy does think

people do better on 3 hour dosing of ALA vs. 4 hours.

--

> Many thanks for the reply, much appreciated.

> Fatimah

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Hi,

Well my joint issues started about 4 years back when my hip started to

hurt and pop for no apparent reason. Slowly over the next year this

expanded to include my sacro-iliac joints, and lower vertebrae. it

stayed fairly stationary until i was put on chelation (bad protocol of

500mg every 2nd day). At that point my joints got lots worse.

Particualry hands shoulders and jaw.

Since I've been on andy's protocol its slowly getting better. That

said I haven't been able to exercise really for about 2 years - thou

recently I have been able to swim and run a little bit. Cycling is

fine thou - no pressure on the joints - i just don't like it !!

Good luck.

> > >

> > > Hey all

> > >

> > > I'd purchased dr. Cutler's book a while back when my sister and

I had

> > > started our 100 wk chelation using DMSA (100 mg every 4 hours for 3

> > > days on, 4 days off) and Alpha Lipoic acid (200 mg) everytime

with the

> > > dmsa...including other vitamins & minerals.

> > >

> > > The thing is that we're done with our 19th week and none of the

> > > symptoms whatsoever are becoming the slightest bit better. In

> > > fact...during the past 3 minutes it seems that my body had become a

> > > machine that can 'click ' whenever i move any joints. I'm an athlete

> > > so if I'm doing pushups, my shoulders click everytime i do one,

if i'm

> > > supposed to do squats, my knees joints click as if there's no joint

> > > fluid left there...I do not understand how this has happened so

> > > rapidly ???

> > >

> > > Also my younger 21 yr old sister, one of the most brilliantly minded

> > > people I've ever known or read about seem to have trouble speaking

> > > ordinary words nevermind come up with esays and papers she used to

> > > write since she was 16. Aside from the 'brain tremours' she

mentioned,

> > > and amongst her advanced osteo-arthritic state in knees, hands

etc her

> > > hands shake as if she has passed the beginning stages of parkinsons.

> > > from what little i know, this sounds like MS symptoms, she also has

> > > the highest levels of acid in her body according to her specialist

> > > who's renowned in south africa. She was worried about her vocal

chords

> > > and so went to him to find out what to do and how far it had gone.

> > >

> > > I do not understand why constructing the simplest of sentences has

> > > become something which is alien. My sister knew words longer

than her

> > > height and know in her 19th week of chelation, it seems that

> > > everything is slowly but surely shutting down :-( !! We'd contracted

> > > mercury poisoning 6 yrs ago, she was 14 turning 15 and i was 17

> > > turning 18. She'd not gotten a proper monthly period since then

and as

> > > a result has been going through a really severe and advance

menopause

> > > with ALL the symptoms including a very very alarming loss of

> > > elasticity in the skin and SEVERE hair loss.

> > >

> > > We have so many of the symptoms dr. cutler mentioned in his book

that

> > > when she spoke to him, he said it was very unusual for anyone to

have

> > > that many at one time. If one is suppose to chelate .5 $ to 1 %

> > > everyday on this program, then why is this just getting worse ?

> > >

> > > I'm really at a loss because we try our best, although money is

> > > scarce, we try to only eat whatever limited foods are organic here

> > > when we can get it. We suppliment with vitamin c, co-enzyme, milk

> > > thistle and so on. Since we knew about the poisoning 12 months

ago, we

> > > filter our drinking water and have no touched seafood since then.

> > > Since south africa does not have organic meat, we barely touch

> > > anything aside from free range chicken on occasion. Our daily diet

> > > mainly consists of fruit, vegetable and usually

rice/bread/potatoes. I

> > > used to suppliment with the USN 100 % whey Protein Powder but since

> > > I'd started using it 5 months ago, I'm unsure whether there are

> > > rBST/rBGH growth hormones in the protein and though USN has said no,

> > > when asked for the certificate, they've failed to produce. Besides

> > > I've not gotten my periods for almost 12 weeks now and have put

on 3.5

> > > kgs O_o and counting. as each week goes by i seem to add another

..5 to

> > > 750 g of weight. Anyone heard anything shady about USN ?

> > >

> > > Anyway, someone please help me figure out what's going on because

> > > honestly I'm stumped.

> > >

> > > many thanks and best regards

> > > Fatimah

> > >

> > > If Dr. Cutler or anyone else can somehow shed some light on what is

> > > happening i'd greatly appreciate.

> > >

> >

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Hi,

Well my joint issues started about 4 years back when my hip started to

hurt and pop for no apparent reason. Slowly over the next year this

expanded to include my sacro-iliac joints, and lower vertebrae. it

stayed fairly stationary until i was put on chelation (bad protocol of

500mg every 2nd day). At that point my joints got lots worse.

Particualry hands shoulders and jaw.

Since I've been on andy's protocol its slowly getting better. That

said I haven't been able to exercise really for about 2 years - thou

recently I have been able to swim and run a little bit. Cycling is

fine thou - no pressure on the joints - i just don't like it !!

Good luck.

> > >

> > > Hey all

> > >

> > > I'd purchased dr. Cutler's book a while back when my sister and

I had

> > > started our 100 wk chelation using DMSA (100 mg every 4 hours for 3

> > > days on, 4 days off) and Alpha Lipoic acid (200 mg) everytime

with the

> > > dmsa...including other vitamins & minerals.

> > >

> > > The thing is that we're done with our 19th week and none of the

> > > symptoms whatsoever are becoming the slightest bit better. In

> > > fact...during the past 3 minutes it seems that my body had become a

> > > machine that can 'click ' whenever i move any joints. I'm an athlete

> > > so if I'm doing pushups, my shoulders click everytime i do one,

if i'm

> > > supposed to do squats, my knees joints click as if there's no joint

> > > fluid left there...I do not understand how this has happened so

> > > rapidly ???

> > >

> > > Also my younger 21 yr old sister, one of the most brilliantly minded

> > > people I've ever known or read about seem to have trouble speaking

> > > ordinary words nevermind come up with esays and papers she used to

> > > write since she was 16. Aside from the 'brain tremours' she

mentioned,

> > > and amongst her advanced osteo-arthritic state in knees, hands

etc her

> > > hands shake as if she has passed the beginning stages of parkinsons.

> > > from what little i know, this sounds like MS symptoms, she also has

> > > the highest levels of acid in her body according to her specialist

> > > who's renowned in south africa. She was worried about her vocal

chords

> > > and so went to him to find out what to do and how far it had gone.

> > >

> > > I do not understand why constructing the simplest of sentences has

> > > become something which is alien. My sister knew words longer

than her

> > > height and know in her 19th week of chelation, it seems that

> > > everything is slowly but surely shutting down :-( !! We'd contracted

> > > mercury poisoning 6 yrs ago, she was 14 turning 15 and i was 17

> > > turning 18. She'd not gotten a proper monthly period since then

and as

> > > a result has been going through a really severe and advance

menopause

> > > with ALL the symptoms including a very very alarming loss of

> > > elasticity in the skin and SEVERE hair loss.

> > >

> > > We have so many of the symptoms dr. cutler mentioned in his book

that

> > > when she spoke to him, he said it was very unusual for anyone to

have

> > > that many at one time. If one is suppose to chelate .5 $ to 1 %

> > > everyday on this program, then why is this just getting worse ?

> > >

> > > I'm really at a loss because we try our best, although money is

> > > scarce, we try to only eat whatever limited foods are organic here

> > > when we can get it. We suppliment with vitamin c, co-enzyme, milk

> > > thistle and so on. Since we knew about the poisoning 12 months

ago, we

> > > filter our drinking water and have no touched seafood since then.

> > > Since south africa does not have organic meat, we barely touch

> > > anything aside from free range chicken on occasion. Our daily diet

> > > mainly consists of fruit, vegetable and usually

rice/bread/potatoes. I

> > > used to suppliment with the USN 100 % whey Protein Powder but since

> > > I'd started using it 5 months ago, I'm unsure whether there are

> > > rBST/rBGH growth hormones in the protein and though USN has said no,

> > > when asked for the certificate, they've failed to produce. Besides

> > > I've not gotten my periods for almost 12 weeks now and have put

on 3.5

> > > kgs O_o and counting. as each week goes by i seem to add another

..5 to

> > > 750 g of weight. Anyone heard anything shady about USN ?

> > >

> > > Anyway, someone please help me figure out what's going on because

> > > honestly I'm stumped.

> > >

> > > many thanks and best regards

> > > Fatimah

> > >

> > > If Dr. Cutler or anyone else can somehow shed some light on what is

> > > happening i'd greatly appreciate.

> > >

> >

>

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Just a shot in the dark and off the wall here, but clicking joints,

arthritic problems, trouble speaking words, brain tremours, MS

symptoms, high acid are classic symptoms of Lyme Disease. Could that

be a possability? Chelation can cause " Herxing " as a result of

stirring up lyme bacteria. I know as that happened to me. Have you

both been tested for Lyme? It is hard to diagnosed though, as many

lymies show up negative on testing. Lyme Disease is called the great

imitator as lyme is often misdiagnosed as a host of other conditions

such as MS, fibromyalgia, arthritis, or chronic fatigue syndrome.

Just something to think about. As this is OT feel free to e-mail me

personally if you would like more information on this. V

> > Hey all

> > >

> > > I'd purchased dr. Cutler's book a while back when my sister and

I had

> > > started our 100 wk chelation using DMSA (100 mg every 4 hours

for 3

> > > days on, 4 days off) and Alpha Lipoic acid (200 mg) everytime

with the

> > > dmsa...including other vitamins & minerals.

> > >

> > > The thing is that we're done with our 19th week and none of the

> > > symptoms whatsoever are becoming the slightest bit better. In

> > > fact...during the past 3 minutes it seems that my body had

become a

> > > machine that can 'click ' whenever i move any joints. I'm an

athlete

> > > so if I'm doing pushups, my shoulders click everytime i do one,

if i'm

> > > supposed to do squats, my knees joints click as if there's no

joint

> > > fluid left there...I do not understand how this has happened so

> > > rapidly ???

> > >

> > > Also my younger 21 yr old sister, one of the most brilliantly

minded

> > > people I've ever known or read about seem to have trouble

speaking

> > > ordinary words nevermind come up with esays and papers she used

to

> > > write since she was 16. Aside from the 'brain tremours' she

mentioned,

> > > and amongst her advanced osteo-arthritic state in knees, hands

etc her

> > > hands shake as if she has passed the beginning stages of

parkinsons.

> > > from what little i know, this sounds like MS symptoms, she also

has

> > > the highest levels of acid in her body according to her

specialist

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Hi

Gosh thanks for the words, hurt and pop is exactly what's happening.

I'm becoming really worried that I'm going to dislocate my hip. You

have no idea how frantic i become when i bend slightly to pick

something off the floor only to hear this constant popping sound.

I really wish someone could guarantee that I'd become 100 % again.

Good luck to you too, wish you all the best.

> > > >

> > > > Hey all

> > > >

> > > > I'd purchased dr. Cutler's book a while back when my sister and

> I had

> > > > started our 100 wk chelation using DMSA (100 mg every 4 hours

for 3

> > > > days on, 4 days off) and Alpha Lipoic acid (200 mg) everytime

> with the

> > > > dmsa...including other vitamins & minerals.

> > > >

> > > > The thing is that we're done with our 19th week and none of the

> > > > symptoms whatsoever are becoming the slightest bit better. In

> > > > fact...during the past 3 minutes it seems that my body had

become a

> > > > machine that can 'click ' whenever i move any joints. I'm an

athlete

> > > > so if I'm doing pushups, my shoulders click everytime i do one,

> if i'm

> > > > supposed to do squats, my knees joints click as if there's no

joint

> > > > fluid left there...I do not understand how this has happened so

> > > > rapidly ???

> > > >

> > > > Also my younger 21 yr old sister, one of the most brilliantly

minded

> > > > people I've ever known or read about seem to have trouble speaking

> > > > ordinary words nevermind come up with esays and papers she used to

> > > > write since she was 16. Aside from the 'brain tremours' she

> mentioned,

> > > > and amongst her advanced osteo-arthritic state in knees, hands

> etc her

> > > > hands shake as if she has passed the beginning stages of

parkinsons.

> > > > from what little i know, this sounds like MS symptoms, she

also has

> > > > the highest levels of acid in her body according to her specialist

> > > > who's renowned in south africa. She was worried about her vocal

> chords

> > > > and so went to him to find out what to do and how far it had

gone.

> > > >

> > > > I do not understand why constructing the simplest of sentences has

> > > > become something which is alien. My sister knew words longer

> than her

> > > > height and know in her 19th week of chelation, it seems that

> > > > everything is slowly but surely shutting down :-( !! We'd

contracted

> > > > mercury poisoning 6 yrs ago, she was 14 turning 15 and i was 17

> > > > turning 18. She'd not gotten a proper monthly period since then

> and as

> > > > a result has been going through a really severe and advance

> menopause

> > > > with ALL the symptoms including a very very alarming loss of

> > > > elasticity in the skin and SEVERE hair loss.

> > > >

> > > > We have so many of the symptoms dr. cutler mentioned in his book

> that

> > > > when she spoke to him, he said it was very unusual for anyone to

> have

> > > > that many at one time. If one is suppose to chelate .5 $ to 1 %

> > > > everyday on this program, then why is this just getting worse ?

> > > >

> > > > I'm really at a loss because we try our best, although money is

> > > > scarce, we try to only eat whatever limited foods are organic here

> > > > when we can get it. We suppliment with vitamin c, co-enzyme, milk

> > > > thistle and so on. Since we knew about the poisoning 12 months

> ago, we

> > > > filter our drinking water and have no touched seafood since then.

> > > > Since south africa does not have organic meat, we barely touch

> > > > anything aside from free range chicken on occasion. Our daily diet

> > > > mainly consists of fruit, vegetable and usually

> rice/bread/potatoes. I

> > > > used to suppliment with the USN 100 % whey Protein Powder but

since

> > > > I'd started using it 5 months ago, I'm unsure whether there are

> > > > rBST/rBGH growth hormones in the protein and though USN has

said no,

> > > > when asked for the certificate, they've failed to produce. Besides

> > > > I've not gotten my periods for almost 12 weeks now and have put

> on 3.5

> > > > kgs O_o and counting. as each week goes by i seem to add another

> .5 to

> > > > 750 g of weight. Anyone heard anything shady about USN ?

> > > >

> > > > Anyway, someone please help me figure out what's going on because

> > > > honestly I'm stumped.

> > > >

> > > > many thanks and best regards

> > > > Fatimah

> > > >

> > > > If Dr. Cutler or anyone else can somehow shed some light on

what is

> > > > happening i'd greatly appreciate.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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