Guest guest Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 Have you searched the message archives.... parsley, saffron help, Kombucha Mushroom Tea., also Message 20386 will help , the kidney bladder flush also in the files. RA... MSM, deep tissue or similar oil... fasting/cleansing... more raw veggies.. hot/cold therapy Louise Haddaway <iamdunroamin@...> wrote: Can someone direct me to the message about treating bad kidney stones?Friend of mine is down with it.Also need info on Rhematoid Arthrisis (no, I never could spell) as she is unable to use her arm due to the pain... (different friend) Suzi What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered. http://suziesgoats.wholefoodfarmacy.com/__________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 Dear Member, Just ask anyone who's passed a kidney stone and they'll tell you that passing that stone was the worst pain of their lives – reportedly just as intense as the pain of childbirth. Whether you're in the Passed-A-Stone club or not, kidney stones are clearly something you want to avoid. Fortunately there are a number of steps you can take to significantly reduce your risk. -------------------------------------------- Apples & honey -------------------------------------------- An article about kidney stone prevention was featured in the November 2007 issue of the HSI Members Alert, and we received this e-mail in response to the article, from a member named : "Forty-six years ago I was having to pass a kidney stone about once a month. The pain was excruciating until it passed. I then read Dr. Jarvis's book 'Vermont Folk Medicine' talking about apple cider vinegar and honey being so beneficial to changing the PH of the body to prevent kidney stones. "I immediately went on this regimen by taking a half bottle of honey and filling it up with apple cider vinegar. Then I put about an inch of this mixture in a glass and filled it up with water. I did this every morning since and have not had another stone in 46 years. Cheap treatment and I have recommended it to anyone that I talk to that has kidney stones and they all are helped." 's remarkable success with this simple treatment sounded almost too good to be true, so I checked in with HSI Panelist Allan Spreen, M.D., to get his take, and he offered a word of caution: "The acetic acid in the vinegar has been used for centuries in folk medicine, and I have no doubt there's something to it. I see no problem with the regimen outlined other than one thing: honey is a highly refined (by the bees) carbohydrate, so anyone with blood sugar problems must be aware that even totally natural raw honey contains a heavy simple sugar load." And I have one note to add about apple cider vinegar: Avoid the typical ACV product that you'll find in most large grocery chains. Instead, look for raw, unfiltered, unpasteurized apple cider vinegar, available at many health food stores. And as always, talk to your doctor before starting this or any other therapeutic regimen. -------------------------------------------- Lemonade & herbs -------------------------------------------- Prevention of kidney stones has been the topic of several previous e-Alerts. A few years ago I told you about a study in which researchers found extremely high oxalate contents in soybeans, tofu, and commercially processed soy products. Oxalate is a compound that binds with calcium in the kidneys and can lead to the formation of kidney stones. The American Dietetic Association recommends no more than 10 mg of oxalate per serving. In the study, soy cheese had the lowest amount of oxalate at 16 mg per serving, while textured soy protein had an astounding 638 mg per serving. Based on these figures, researchers concluded that soy products are unsafe for anyone at risk of developing kidney stones. And then there's lemonade. In the e-Alert "Toxic Tub" (7/19/07), I told you about a small study in which 12 kidney stone patients who drank lemonade daily were followed for four years. Results showed that subjects formed fewer kidney stones and formed them at a slower rate during the time they drank lemonade. Over the four-year study period none of the subjects required medical treatment for their condition. Lemon juice contains natural citrate, which helps prevent certain salts from forming kidney stones. Of course, your average lemonade product presents the same problem that honey does: too much simple sugar. And finally, we'll come back around to that November Members Alert article, which featured chanca piedra – a Peruvian herb whose name means "stone breaker." True to its name, this herb is reputed to transform kidney stones from the consistency of gravel to a consistency closer to toothpaste, according to HSI Panelist Jon Barron. Jon recently developed a new kidney stone prevention formula called Stone Breaker that includes chanca piedra along with other natural ingredients which he included to make the formula diuretic (water removing), anti-inflammatory, antiseptic, anti-nephrotoxic (liver and kidney cleansing), and soothing to urinary tract tissue. You can find more information on Jon's web site (baselinenutritionals.com), and HSI members can use their password to access the article from the Members Alert archives on our web site at hsibaltimore.com. The HSI Members Alert provides a convenient way to stay updated on all of the most important advances in alternative health care. To Your Good Health, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Dear CMLERs2, Did you know that kidney stones not only come from the fats in meat, however, they are produced by too much dairy products as well! If anyone enjoys reading there are some interesting nutritional books one in particular called: The China Study, by Dr. , M.D. and son. Look it up on Amazon.com, or borrow from your local library! Cheers to all, and Happy Holiday's if I don't get back online! Dory Doggie ________________________________ From: Lottie Duthu <lotajam@...> CML < > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 12:46:55 AM Subject: [ ] Kidney stones Dear Marcos, Hate to mention the comparison, someone will surely find fault with it, but when Jimmy had kidney stone(s), the doctor said it was comparable to a woman in labor. Hope they tell you soon what kind of stone, so they can treat you accordingly. We used to tease Jimmy about his body making different kinds of rocks, as his kidney produced oxalic and calcium stones. Very painful indeed and hope you get by with less pain after passing it. Blessings, Lottie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Hi Lotie and Dory, I don't think my diet is at fault here, I don't eat much diaries (I never liked milk), a little cheese here and then, and I reduced my meat by a lot these last 3 years. I don't smoke, I don't usually drink alcohol. It look so far it isn't too bad in my case, I have a follow up this week, I guess I ll know more then, I could have done without another part malfunctioning, but I am not too worried. The pain was intense only for about 30mn and the dr said the stone was small. Today I was perfectly fine and went climbing as planned, I just made sure to drink a lot. I am not sure gleevec has much to do with it, but being in 2005 at least a month (who knows how long before the cml dx) with white cells at 250 and ldh at 5000+ was probably not so good for the kidneys. I can't tell if it is as bad as childbirth, never tried it :-), but I had my share of broken bones and various wounds and it was in the same order of intensity. Marcos. On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 11:26 PM, Dory Doggie <hellodoggie0009@...> wrote: > Dear CMLERs2, > Did you know that kidney stones not only come from the fats in meat, > however, they are produced by too much dairy products as well! > If anyone enjoys reading there are some interesting nutritional books > one in particular called: The China Study, by Dr. , M.D. > and son. Look it up on Amazon.com, or borrow from your local library! > > Cheers to all, and Happy Holiday's if I don't get back online! > > Dory Doggie > > ________________________________ > From: Lottie Duthu <lotajam@...> > CML < > > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 12:46:55 AM > Subject: [ ] Kidney stones > > Dear Marcos, > Hate to mention the comparison, someone will surely find fault with it, but > when Jimmy had kidney stone(s), the doctor said it was comparable to a woman > in labor. Hope they tell you soon what kind of stone, so they can treat you > accordingly. We used to tease Jimmy about his body making different kinds of > rocks, as his kidney produced oxalic and calcium stones. Very painful indeed > and hope you get by with less pain after passing it. > Blessings, > Lottie > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Marcos, both pains are intense, but at the end of child birth at least we have something to love and caress......I have had 6 children, but do not think I would like to pass one kidney stone, no matter how little it was. Bobby a (Bobby) Doyle Brecksville, Ohio, USA DX 05/1995 02/2000 - Gleevec Trial/OHSU 06/2002 - Gleevec/Trisenox Trial/OHSU 06/2003 - Gleevec/Zarnestra Trial/OHSU 04/2004 - Sprycel Trial/MDACC, CCR in 10 months #840 - Zavie's Zero Club 09/2006 - out of CCR 04/29/08 - XL228 Trial/ U.of Michigan 06/02/08 - CCR ( in 4 weeks) --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Marcos Perreau Guimaraes <montereyunderwater@...> wrote: From: Marcos Perreau Guimaraes <montereyunderwater@...> Subject: Re: [ ] Kidney stones Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 2:58 AM Hi Lotie and Dory, I don't think my diet is at fault here, I don't eat much diaries (I never liked milk), a little cheese here and then, and I reduced my meat by a lot these last 3 years. I don't smoke, I don't usually drink alcohol. It look so far it isn't too bad in my case, I have a follow up this week, I guess I ll know more then, I could have done without another part malfunctioning, but I am not too worried. The pain was intense only for about 30mn and the dr said the stone was small. Today I was perfectly fine and went climbing as planned, I just made sure to drink a lot. I am not sure gleevec has much to do with it, but being in 2005 at least a month (who knows how long before the cml dx) with white cells at 250 and ldh at 5000+ was probably not so good for the kidneys. I can't tell if it is as bad as childbirth, never tried it :-), but I had my share of broken bones and various wounds and it was in the same order of intensity. Marcos. On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 11:26 PM, Dory Doggie <hellodoggie0009> wrote: > Dear CMLERs2, > Did you know that kidney stones not only come from the fats in meat, > however, they are produced by too much dairy products as well! > If anyone enjoys reading there are some interesting nutritional books > one in particular called: The China Study, by Dr. , M.D. > and son. Look it up on Amazon.com, or borrow from your local library! > > Cheers to all, and Happy Holiday's if I don't get back online! > > Dory Doggie > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Lottie Duthu <lotajamcomcast (DOT) net> > CML <groups (DOT) com> > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 12:46:55 AM > Subject: [ ] Kidney stones > > Dear Marcos, > Hate to mention the comparison, someone will surely find fault with it, but > when Jimmy had kidney stone(s), the doctor said it was comparable to a woman > in labor. Hope they tell you soon what kind of stone, so they can treat you > accordingly. We used to tease Jimmy about his body making different kinds of > rocks, as his kidney produced oxalic and calcium stones. Very painful indeed > and hope you get by with less pain after passing it. > Blessings, > Lottie > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Hi Tracey, From what I understand it can have a variety of reasons, that why the drs want me to catch the stone in case I pass it to see what kind of stone it is. All the blood work and urine test were normal. I got a follow up today and the dr said it s unlikely to pass and I ll probably have to have it removed by some sort of laser/ultrasound procedure. There isn't a big hurry as I am doing pretty good now but I d rather get over it sooner than later, I have things to do in January, I am waiting for the procedure to be scheduled, I hope before Christmas. It doesn't sound too bad, outpatient procedure, out of the hospital the same day. I had read the thing about bodies of water, pretty strange, but I do leave next to the San Francisco bay for the last 8 years. The tap water in my place is so bad that I either drink mineral water or I use a filter. And it seems that's not good for kidneys for the reason you mentioned. I don't think the diving is a significant amount of time but I do get sometime dehydrated on the longer dives (3h). And, as I mentioned before my blood was full of waste and probably with some wild ph for who knows how many months, probably years before the cml remission. There is no history of kidney stones in my family. Marcos. On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 7:42 PM, Tracey <traceyincanada@...> wrote: > Hi Marcos, > > I had heard from a couple of people that their kidney stones were > actually caused by a lack of calcium in their diet and they were > prescribed calcium supplements to deal with the problem. I've since > read that calcium from diet (food) prevents stones while calcium from > supplements can increase the risk. > http://tinyurl.com/5dvwxe > > I found this site to be very informative: > http://tinyurl.com/6jqwhr > > It mentions the link of stones with dehydration that I was previously > unaware of. Thanks for the reminder to get in enough water every day! > > Also interesting, look at the bottom where it says " People who live > near large bodies of water (e.g., Great Lakes, Gulf of Mexico), those > who live in " soft " water areas, and those who have a sibling or parent > with the condition experience a higher incidence of renal stone > disease. " > > I wonder if all your diving and time spent on the waters has any > effect? > > Tracey > > -- Marcos Perreau Guimaraes Suppes Brain Lab Ventura Hall - CSLI Stanford University 220 Panama street Stanford CA 94305-4101 650 614 2305 650 468 9926 (cell) marcospg@... montereyunderwater@... www.stanford.edu/~marcospg/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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