Re: Did any of you develop lots of moles after implants?

[Guest guest]

Hi April - I have not noticed any new or developing moles since my implants. However, I have always had a mole right under my chest and I have noticed recently that it seems to have changed in size. Honestly, it is bothering me a little. I have been considering going and having it looked at. I have had it looked at before and it was never a reason for concern. Keep me posted on this and if I find anything out, I will be sure to post it.

I would have thought that if it seemed of concern my PS would have said something.....

Beth

Did any of you develop lots of moles after implants?

I have always had quite a few moles. But it seems like in the past few years (I got my implants 6 yrs ago) I've developed LOTS of them. They are limited to the areas of my upper chest, stomach and back. A lot of them are red moles, which has concerned me. I have looked up the characteristics of melanoma and luckily they do not look cancerous. I did a search on this forum and found this quote:"Purpura results from the extravasation of blood from the vasculature into the skin or mucous membranes. Therefore, purpuric lesions do not blanch with pressure. Depending on their size, purpuric lesions are traditionally classified as petechiae (pinpoint hemorrhages less than 2 mm in greatest diameter), purpura (2 mm to 1 cm) or ecchymoses (more than 1 cm).1 Although purpura itself is not dangerous, it may be the sign of an underlying life-threatening disorder. (some people refer to purpura's as "blood

moles")"I'm wondering if the moles are the result of my immune system fighting these foreign invaders? I guess it's all the more confirmation that I'm doing the right thing by getting these implants out. I was just wondering if any of you have had this same issue and if you've found out a reason for it.Thanks!April

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[Guest guest]

Hi April - I have not noticed any new or developing moles since my implants. However, I have always had a mole right under my chest and I have noticed recently that it seems to have changed in size. Honestly, it is bothering me a little. I have been considering going and having it looked at. I have had it looked at before and it was never a reason for concern. Keep me posted on this and if I find anything out, I will be sure to post it.

I would have thought that if it seemed of concern my PS would have said something.....

Beth

Did any of you develop lots of moles after implants?

I have always had quite a few moles. But it seems like in the past few years (I got my implants 6 yrs ago) I've developed LOTS of them. They are limited to the areas of my upper chest, stomach and back. A lot of them are red moles, which has concerned me. I have looked up the characteristics of melanoma and luckily they do not look cancerous. I did a search on this forum and found this quote:"Purpura results from the extravasation of blood from the vasculature into the skin or mucous membranes. Therefore, purpuric lesions do not blanch with pressure. Depending on their size, purpuric lesions are traditionally classified as petechiae (pinpoint hemorrhages less than 2 mm in greatest diameter), purpura (2 mm to 1 cm) or ecchymoses (more than 1 cm).1 Although purpura itself is not dangerous, it may be the sign of an underlying life-threatening disorder. (some people refer to purpura's as "blood

moles")"I'm wondering if the moles are the result of my immune system fighting these foreign invaders? I guess it's all the more confirmation that I'm doing the right thing by getting these implants out. I was just wondering if any of you have had this same issue and if you've found out a reason for it.Thanks!April

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[Guest guest]

April,

Right after my implantation surgery or soon after, I developed a

horrible pain in my legs, followed by little red dots all over them.

I was mystified by them, but never sought a doctor's opinion. At

night I would have my husband rub my legs and massage them to help

with the pain, and soon enough, everything settled down. The red

spots went away.

In retrospect, I view this as one of the first signs that my body was

getting whacked out by the implants, but I was too delighted to

finally have " safe " bigger boobs to make any connection at that time

to anything going on. It amazes me how oblivious we can be to subtle

signs in our bodies when we get implants. It took 8 more months for

my body to finally and completely crash.

I think those red spots were purpurae...at least that is what the

rheumatologist called them when I described them to him. He seemed

very familiar with this condition.

But I never developed permanent red spots all over my body that you

are describing, though I do have a few of those red moles. I know

I've seen older people with tons of them all over their torso. I had

one relatively large one on the side of my face(by my hairline)

removed by a dermatologist many years ago (before implants).

Being the ultimate do-it-yourselfer, I shrank the rest of the ones

that I could see and reach myself with crude tools....a safety pin

and a candle. I just heated the end of the safety pin in the flame

of the candle until it was red hot, then stuck the end in the red

mole and watched it shrink. I have no idea if that is safe or not,

but I do know it worked to shrink them into little red pinspots,

barely noticeable! (Geeze, now I wonder if I was stupid!)

Patty

>

> I have always had quite a few moles. But it seems like in the past

few

> years (I got my implants 6 yrs ago) I've developed LOTS of them.

They

> are limited to the areas of my upper chest, stomach and back. A

lot of

> them are red moles, which has concerned me. I have looked up the

> characteristics of melanoma and luckily they do not look

cancerous. I

> did a search on this forum and found this quote:

>

> " Purpura results from the extravasation of blood from the

vasculature

> into the skin or mucous membranes. Therefore, purpuric lesions do

not

> blanch with pressure. Depending on their size, purpuric lesions are

> traditionally classified as petechiae (pinpoint hemorrhages less

than 2

> mm in greatest diameter), purpura (2 mm to 1 cm) or ecchymoses

(more

> than 1 cm).1 Although purpura itself is not dangerous, it may be

the

> sign of an underlying life-threatening disorder. (some people refer

to

> purpura's as " blood moles " ) "

>

> I'm wondering if the moles are the result of my immune system

fighting

> these foreign invaders? I guess it's all the more confirmation

that

> I'm doing the right thing by getting these implants out. I was

just

> wondering if any of you have had this same issue and if you've

found

> out a reason for it.

>

> Thanks!

> April

>

[Guest guest]

April,

Right after my implantation surgery or soon after, I developed a

horrible pain in my legs, followed by little red dots all over them.

I was mystified by them, but never sought a doctor's opinion. At

night I would have my husband rub my legs and massage them to help

with the pain, and soon enough, everything settled down. The red

spots went away.

In retrospect, I view this as one of the first signs that my body was

getting whacked out by the implants, but I was too delighted to

finally have " safe " bigger boobs to make any connection at that time

to anything going on. It amazes me how oblivious we can be to subtle

signs in our bodies when we get implants. It took 8 more months for

my body to finally and completely crash.

I think those red spots were purpurae...at least that is what the

rheumatologist called them when I described them to him. He seemed

very familiar with this condition.

But I never developed permanent red spots all over my body that you

are describing, though I do have a few of those red moles. I know

I've seen older people with tons of them all over their torso. I had

one relatively large one on the side of my face(by my hairline)

removed by a dermatologist many years ago (before implants).

Being the ultimate do-it-yourselfer, I shrank the rest of the ones

that I could see and reach myself with crude tools....a safety pin

and a candle. I just heated the end of the safety pin in the flame

of the candle until it was red hot, then stuck the end in the red

mole and watched it shrink. I have no idea if that is safe or not,

but I do know it worked to shrink them into little red pinspots,

barely noticeable! (Geeze, now I wonder if I was stupid!)

Patty

>

> I have always had quite a few moles. But it seems like in the past

few

> years (I got my implants 6 yrs ago) I've developed LOTS of them.

They

> are limited to the areas of my upper chest, stomach and back. A

lot of

> them are red moles, which has concerned me. I have looked up the

> characteristics of melanoma and luckily they do not look

cancerous. I

> did a search on this forum and found this quote:

>

> " Purpura results from the extravasation of blood from the

vasculature

> into the skin or mucous membranes. Therefore, purpuric lesions do

not

> blanch with pressure. Depending on their size, purpuric lesions are

> traditionally classified as petechiae (pinpoint hemorrhages less

than 2

> mm in greatest diameter), purpura (2 mm to 1 cm) or ecchymoses

(more

> than 1 cm).1 Although purpura itself is not dangerous, it may be

the

> sign of an underlying life-threatening disorder. (some people refer

to

> purpura's as " blood moles " ) "

>

> I'm wondering if the moles are the result of my immune system

fighting

> these foreign invaders? I guess it's all the more confirmation

that

> I'm doing the right thing by getting these implants out. I was

just

> wondering if any of you have had this same issue and if you've

found

> out a reason for it.

>

> Thanks!

> April

>

[Guest guest]

Hi April,

Yes, I too developed several flat moles on my chest stomach and back

after implants, but mine are super dark brown, almost black. During

my 5th and last year of implants, I also developed one huge liver

spot on my hand with several tiny liver spots. I haven't read up on

any of it but I attribute it to toxins. I'm only 39 but my right

hand looks older than my mom's! It really is frightening how all

these physical changes are taking place while you're under the

illusion that you're completely healthy!

I wouldn't worry about the red moles. When I googled it the articles

said they weren't cancerous but they always end the article with see

a dermatologist...probably more so to protect themselves from lawsuit.

I'd mention it to your explanting surgeon. Love, PH

>

> I have always had quite a few moles. But it seems like in the past

few

> years (I got my implants 6 yrs ago) I've developed LOTS of them.

They

> are limited to the areas of my upper chest, stomach and back. A

lot of

> them are red moles, which has concerned me. I have looked up the

> characteristics of melanoma and luckily they do not look

cancerous. I

> did a search on this forum and found this quote:

>

> " Purpura results from the extravasation of blood from the

vasculature

> into the skin or mucous membranes. Therefore, purpuric lesions do

not

> blanch with pressure. Depending on their size, purpuric lesions are

> traditionally classified as petechiae (pinpoint hemorrhages less

than 2

> mm in greatest diameter), purpura (2 mm to 1 cm) or ecchymoses

(more

> than 1 cm).1 Although purpura itself is not dangerous, it may be

the

> sign of an underlying life-threatening disorder. (some people refer

to

> purpura's as " blood moles " ) "

>

> I'm wondering if the moles are the result of my immune system

fighting

> these foreign invaders? I guess it's all the more confirmation

that

> I'm doing the right thing by getting these implants out. I was

just

> wondering if any of you have had this same issue and if you've

found

> out a reason for it.

>

> Thanks!

> April

>

[Guest guest]

Hi April,

Yes, I too developed several flat moles on my chest stomach and back

after implants, but mine are super dark brown, almost black. During

my 5th and last year of implants, I also developed one huge liver

spot on my hand with several tiny liver spots. I haven't read up on

any of it but I attribute it to toxins. I'm only 39 but my right

hand looks older than my mom's! It really is frightening how all

these physical changes are taking place while you're under the

illusion that you're completely healthy!

I wouldn't worry about the red moles. When I googled it the articles

said they weren't cancerous but they always end the article with see

a dermatologist...probably more so to protect themselves from lawsuit.

I'd mention it to your explanting surgeon. Love, PH

>

> I have always had quite a few moles. But it seems like in the past

few

> years (I got my implants 6 yrs ago) I've developed LOTS of them.

They

> are limited to the areas of my upper chest, stomach and back. A

lot of

> them are red moles, which has concerned me. I have looked up the

> characteristics of melanoma and luckily they do not look

cancerous. I

> did a search on this forum and found this quote:

>

> " Purpura results from the extravasation of blood from the

vasculature

> into the skin or mucous membranes. Therefore, purpuric lesions do

not

> blanch with pressure. Depending on their size, purpuric lesions are

> traditionally classified as petechiae (pinpoint hemorrhages less

than 2

> mm in greatest diameter), purpura (2 mm to 1 cm) or ecchymoses

(more

> than 1 cm).1 Although purpura itself is not dangerous, it may be

the

> sign of an underlying life-threatening disorder. (some people refer

to

> purpura's as " blood moles " ) "

>

> I'm wondering if the moles are the result of my immune system

fighting

> these foreign invaders? I guess it's all the more confirmation

that

> I'm doing the right thing by getting these implants out. I was

just

> wondering if any of you have had this same issue and if you've

found

> out a reason for it.

>

> Thanks!

> April

>

[Guest guest]

Wow, Patty, you are brave! I'm amazed every day to learn some of the

ways in which you've doctored yourself!

Well, I just finished my first round of chelation and I woke up

feeling so much better now that I'm off of it. I tried to do four

full days but I just couldn't make it...the fatigue was too

unbearable. Fortunately that was my only side effect, so I think

that means it's working and I'm tolerating it ok. I can't wait to

get to the ALA and get that over with so that all I have to worry

about is fungus.

Did you follow Cutler's protocol as far as formulating your own

dose? Dr. Mercola told me to start off w/ 50-100 mg yet Cutler

suggests starting w/ only 12.5 mg. I went ahead and did the 100 mg

and did fine. I'm just curious what you did...did you do all the

calcuations and titre up?

Cutler's book is pretty technical for someone w/ mercury toxicity!

My husband is reading it and trying to help out but has to leave for

a big conference in France (I'm so mad that my health prevents me

from going!!) so I'm trying to read most of it but my brain is not

taking it in. Hope your weekend is going well. Love, PH

> >

> > I have always had quite a few moles. But it seems like in the

past

> few

> > years (I got my implants 6 yrs ago) I've developed LOTS of them.

> They

> > are limited to the areas of my upper chest, stomach and back. A

> lot of

> > them are red moles, which has concerned me. I have looked up the

> > characteristics of melanoma and luckily they do not look

> cancerous. I

> > did a search on this forum and found this quote:

> >

> > " Purpura results from the extravasation of blood from the

> vasculature

> > into the skin or mucous membranes. Therefore, purpuric lesions do

> not

> > blanch with pressure. Depending on their size, purpuric lesions

are

> > traditionally classified as petechiae (pinpoint hemorrhages less

> than 2

> > mm in greatest diameter), purpura (2 mm to 1 cm) or ecchymoses

> (more

> > than 1 cm).1 Although purpura itself is not dangerous, it may be

> the

> > sign of an underlying life-threatening disorder. (some people

refer

> to

> > purpura's as " blood moles " ) "

> >

> > I'm wondering if the moles are the result of my immune system

> fighting

> > these foreign invaders? I guess it's all the more confirmation

> that

> > I'm doing the right thing by getting these implants out. I was

> just

> > wondering if any of you have had this same issue and if you've

> found

> > out a reason for it.

> >

> > Thanks!

> > April

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Wow, Patty, you are brave! I'm amazed every day to learn some of the

ways in which you've doctored yourself!

Well, I just finished my first round of chelation and I woke up

feeling so much better now that I'm off of it. I tried to do four

full days but I just couldn't make it...the fatigue was too

unbearable. Fortunately that was my only side effect, so I think

that means it's working and I'm tolerating it ok. I can't wait to

get to the ALA and get that over with so that all I have to worry

about is fungus.

Did you follow Cutler's protocol as far as formulating your own

dose? Dr. Mercola told me to start off w/ 50-100 mg yet Cutler

suggests starting w/ only 12.5 mg. I went ahead and did the 100 mg

and did fine. I'm just curious what you did...did you do all the

calcuations and titre up?

Cutler's book is pretty technical for someone w/ mercury toxicity!

My husband is reading it and trying to help out but has to leave for

a big conference in France (I'm so mad that my health prevents me

from going!!) so I'm trying to read most of it but my brain is not

taking it in. Hope your weekend is going well. Love, PH

> >

> > I have always had quite a few moles. But it seems like in the

past

> few

> > years (I got my implants 6 yrs ago) I've developed LOTS of them.

> They

> > are limited to the areas of my upper chest, stomach and back. A

> lot of

> > them are red moles, which has concerned me. I have looked up the

> > characteristics of melanoma and luckily they do not look

> cancerous. I

> > did a search on this forum and found this quote:

> >

> > " Purpura results from the extravasation of blood from the

> vasculature

> > into the skin or mucous membranes. Therefore, purpuric lesions do

> not

> > blanch with pressure. Depending on their size, purpuric lesions

are

> > traditionally classified as petechiae (pinpoint hemorrhages less

> than 2

> > mm in greatest diameter), purpura (2 mm to 1 cm) or ecchymoses

> (more

> > than 1 cm).1 Although purpura itself is not dangerous, it may be

> the

> > sign of an underlying life-threatening disorder. (some people

refer

> to

> > purpura's as " blood moles " ) "

> >

> > I'm wondering if the moles are the result of my immune system

> fighting

> > these foreign invaders? I guess it's all the more confirmation

> that

> > I'm doing the right thing by getting these implants out. I was

> just

> > wondering if any of you have had this same issue and if you've

> found

> > out a reason for it.

> >

> > Thanks!

> > April

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi PH,

Sometimes I think I made a mistake by not becoming a doctor...and

wonder if I should pursue a naturopathic degree, but when I look at

all the politics involved in that field, I am so glad I didn't pursue

it!

I still have dreams, as we all should have...I never want to stop

learning, stop striving to achieve new goals!

So you found that the chelation therapy makes you feel icky too!

Since I started with a naturopath, my dosages at first were pretty

straightforward for a month. I think I took 50mg a day, but it was

almost a decade ago and I've forgotten what exactly we did.

With Cutler's, I did back off and do less at first, and than added in

the ALA. I think ALA is something we still need to take, (which

reminds me that I am out of it and need to get some more), especially

if we do coffee enemas often. My husband and I still do them and in

fact are doing them this morning. Dr. Fuller Royal is one doctor

that we consulted with, and he said he's done coffee enemas every day

of his life for over 20 years, and he recommended ALA to keep the

glutathione levels adequate. I personally think that you can deplete

your glutathione levels with too many coffee enemas and that you need

more than ALA to keep them high. 's articles state

that you need 3 juices for every coffee enema, and I am assuming that

is for the minerals and enzymes.

In any case, I never took large doses of the DMSA, but kept them

rather moderate, around 50 mg if I remember right.

How sad that you couldn't go to France!!! Have you ever been there?

We stopped in Paris on our way back from our mission trip to India,

and I fell in love with that city. So romantic, so beautiful! But my

husband said that the French will never get a dime of his money, so

he has no intention of ever taking me there. <Sigh> I guess I'll just

have to hope that I'll be able to visit again someday.

Have a feeling-good weekend! I am planning on having a very good one!

Hugs,

Patty

> > >

> > > I have always had quite a few moles. But it seems like in the

> past

> > few

> > > years (I got my implants 6 yrs ago) I've developed LOTS of

them.

> > They

> > > are limited to the areas of my upper chest, stomach and back.

A

> > lot of

> > > them are red moles, which has concerned me. I have looked up

the

> > > characteristics of melanoma and luckily they do not look

> > cancerous. I

> > > did a search on this forum and found this quote:

> > >

> > > " Purpura results from the extravasation of blood from the

> > vasculature

> > > into the skin or mucous membranes. Therefore, purpuric lesions

do

> > not

> > > blanch with pressure. Depending on their size, purpuric lesions

> are

> > > traditionally classified as petechiae (pinpoint hemorrhages

less

> > than 2

> > > mm in greatest diameter), purpura (2 mm to 1 cm) or ecchymoses

> > (more

> > > than 1 cm).1 Although purpura itself is not dangerous, it may

be

> > the

> > > sign of an underlying life-threatening disorder. (some people

> refer

> > to

> > > purpura's as " blood moles " ) "

> > >

> > > I'm wondering if the moles are the result of my immune system

> > fighting

> > > these foreign invaders? I guess it's all the more confirmation

> > that

> > > I'm doing the right thing by getting these implants out. I was

> > just

> > > wondering if any of you have had this same issue and if you've

> > found

> > > out a reason for it.

> > >

> > > Thanks!

> > > April

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi PH,

Sometimes I think I made a mistake by not becoming a doctor...and

wonder if I should pursue a naturopathic degree, but when I look at

all the politics involved in that field, I am so glad I didn't pursue

it!

I still have dreams, as we all should have...I never want to stop

learning, stop striving to achieve new goals!

So you found that the chelation therapy makes you feel icky too!

Since I started with a naturopath, my dosages at first were pretty

straightforward for a month. I think I took 50mg a day, but it was

almost a decade ago and I've forgotten what exactly we did.

With Cutler's, I did back off and do less at first, and than added in

the ALA. I think ALA is something we still need to take, (which

reminds me that I am out of it and need to get some more), especially

if we do coffee enemas often. My husband and I still do them and in

fact are doing them this morning. Dr. Fuller Royal is one doctor

that we consulted with, and he said he's done coffee enemas every day

of his life for over 20 years, and he recommended ALA to keep the

glutathione levels adequate. I personally think that you can deplete

your glutathione levels with too many coffee enemas and that you need

more than ALA to keep them high. 's articles state

that you need 3 juices for every coffee enema, and I am assuming that

is for the minerals and enzymes.

In any case, I never took large doses of the DMSA, but kept them

rather moderate, around 50 mg if I remember right.

How sad that you couldn't go to France!!! Have you ever been there?

We stopped in Paris on our way back from our mission trip to India,

and I fell in love with that city. So romantic, so beautiful! But my

husband said that the French will never get a dime of his money, so

he has no intention of ever taking me there. <Sigh> I guess I'll just

have to hope that I'll be able to visit again someday.

Have a feeling-good weekend! I am planning on having a very good one!

Hugs,

Patty

> > >

> > > I have always had quite a few moles. But it seems like in the

> past

> > few

> > > years (I got my implants 6 yrs ago) I've developed LOTS of

them.

> > They

> > > are limited to the areas of my upper chest, stomach and back.

A

> > lot of

> > > them are red moles, which has concerned me. I have looked up

the

> > > characteristics of melanoma and luckily they do not look

> > cancerous. I

> > > did a search on this forum and found this quote:

> > >

> > > " Purpura results from the extravasation of blood from the

> > vasculature

> > > into the skin or mucous membranes. Therefore, purpuric lesions

do

> > not

> > > blanch with pressure. Depending on their size, purpuric lesions

> are

> > > traditionally classified as petechiae (pinpoint hemorrhages

less

> > than 2

> > > mm in greatest diameter), purpura (2 mm to 1 cm) or ecchymoses

> > (more

> > > than 1 cm).1 Although purpura itself is not dangerous, it may

be

> > the

> > > sign of an underlying life-threatening disorder. (some people

> refer

> > to

> > > purpura's as " blood moles " ) "

> > >

> > > I'm wondering if the moles are the result of my immune system

> > fighting

> > > these foreign invaders? I guess it's all the more confirmation

> > that

> > > I'm doing the right thing by getting these implants out. I was

> > just

> > > wondering if any of you have had this same issue and if you've

> > found

> > > out a reason for it.

> > >

> > > Thanks!

> > > April

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes indeed April. I have those right on my chest too... I have shown them to several doctors, but I get the usual blank stare....

Actually, I was wondering if most doctors function in a comalike state, coming to only if someone drops dead in front of them... Maybe this is just normal behavior for them...

Cathie

In a message dated 1/5/08 10:31:49 AM, april@... writes:

I have always had quite a few moles. But it seems like in the past few

years (I got my implants 6 yrs ago) I've developed LOTS of them. They

are limited to the areas of my upper chest, stomach and back. A lot of

them are red moles, which has concerned me. I have looked up the

characteristics of melanoma and luckily they do not look cancerous. I

did a search on this forum and found this quote:

"Purpura results from the extravasation of blood from the vasculature

into the skin or mucous membranes. Therefore, purpuric lesions do not

blanch with pressure. Depending on their size, purpuric lesions are

traditionally classified as petechiae (pinpoint hemorrhages less than 2

mm in greatest diameter), purpura (2 mm to 1 cm) or ecchymoses (more

than 1 cm).1 Although purpura itself is not dangerous, it may be the

sign of an underlying life-threatening disorder. (some people refer to

purpura's as "blood moles")"

I'm wondering if the moles are the result of my immune system fighting

these foreign invaders? I guess it's all the more confirmation that

I'm doing the right thing by getting these implants out. I was just

wondering if any of you have had this same issue and if you've found

out a reason for it.

Thanks!

April

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[Guest guest]

Yes indeed April. I have those right on my chest too... I have shown them to several doctors, but I get the usual blank stare....

Actually, I was wondering if most doctors function in a comalike state, coming to only if someone drops dead in front of them... Maybe this is just normal behavior for them...

Cathie

In a message dated 1/5/08 10:31:49 AM, april@... writes:

I have always had quite a few moles. But it seems like in the past few

years (I got my implants 6 yrs ago) I've developed LOTS of them. They

are limited to the areas of my upper chest, stomach and back. A lot of

them are red moles, which has concerned me. I have looked up the

characteristics of melanoma and luckily they do not look cancerous. I

did a search on this forum and found this quote:

"Purpura results from the extravasation of blood from the vasculature

into the skin or mucous membranes. Therefore, purpuric lesions do not

blanch with pressure. Depending on their size, purpuric lesions are

traditionally classified as petechiae (pinpoint hemorrhages less than 2

mm in greatest diameter), purpura (2 mm to 1 cm) or ecchymoses (more

than 1 cm).1 Although purpura itself is not dangerous, it may be the

sign of an underlying life-threatening disorder. (some people refer to

purpura's as "blood moles")"

I'm wondering if the moles are the result of my immune system fighting

these foreign invaders? I guess it's all the more confirmation that

I'm doing the right thing by getting these implants out. I was just

wondering if any of you have had this same issue and if you've found

out a reason for it.

Thanks!

April

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Aahh. A woman after my own heart-a do-it-yourselfer... I believe the spots she was talking about actually are call purpurae. It apparently is not something that all doctors recognize when they see them.

I imagine that the doctor would not consider the shrinking procedure safe, but then they think implants are... Go figure... I may have to try this...

Cathie

In a message dated 1/5/08 11:12:02 AM, glory2glory1401@... writes:

I think those red spots were purpurae...at least that is what the

rheumatologist called them when I described them to him. He seemed

very familiar with this condition.

But I never developed permanent red spots all over my body that you

are describing, though I do have a few of those red moles. I know

I've seen older people with tons of them all over their torso. I had

one relatively large one on the side of my face(by my hairline)

removed by a dermatologist many years ago (before implants).

Being the ultimate do-it-yourselfer, I shrank the rest of the ones

that I could see and reach myself with crude tools....a safety pin

and a candle. I just heated the end of the safety pin in the flame

of the candle until it was red hot, then stuck the end in the red

mole and watched it shrink. I have no idea if that is safe or not,

but I do know it worked to shrink them into little red pinspots,

barely noticeable! (Geeze, now I wonder if I was stupid!)

Patty

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Aahh. A woman after my own heart-a do-it-yourselfer... I believe the spots she was talking about actually are call purpurae. It apparently is not something that all doctors recognize when they see them.

I imagine that the doctor would not consider the shrinking procedure safe, but then they think implants are... Go figure... I may have to try this...

Cathie

In a message dated 1/5/08 11:12:02 AM, glory2glory1401@... writes:

I think those red spots were purpurae...at least that is what the

rheumatologist called them when I described them to him. He seemed

very familiar with this condition.

But I never developed permanent red spots all over my body that you

are describing, though I do have a few of those red moles. I know

I've seen older people with tons of them all over their torso. I had

one relatively large one on the side of my face(by my hairline)

removed by a dermatologist many years ago (before implants).

Being the ultimate do-it-yourselfer, I shrank the rest of the ones

that I could see and reach myself with crude tools....a safety pin

and a candle. I just heated the end of the safety pin in the flame

of the candle until it was red hot, then stuck the end in the red

mole and watched it shrink. I have no idea if that is safe or not,

but I do know it worked to shrink them into little red pinspots,

barely noticeable! (Geeze, now I wonder if I was stupid!)

Patty

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I don't think these are actually moles. Maybe Lynda can better explain these... I think it has something to do with rheumatological problems, maybe vascular?

Lynda, can you help out here?

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I don't think these are actually moles. Maybe Lynda can better explain these... I think it has something to do with rheumatological problems, maybe vascular?

Lynda, can you help out here?

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Thanks Dede,

I guess I wonder about cancer, mutations, the carbon, etc.

But thanks for the peace of mind! I won't worry about it!

Patty

>

> Patty ~

> You method of removal for those lovely

> vessels was perfectly safe ! It is done

> the same way with a laser, or a cartery tool,

> when done in the doc office. I used to do

> peoples spots all the time with a electric tool

> that had a thin wire coming from it, and you just

> touch those spots multiple times and it will carterize

> it, keep it clean and wallah, same thing !

> Love Dede

>

>

>

> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in

shape.

> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?

NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Dede,

I guess I wonder about cancer, mutations, the carbon, etc.

But thanks for the peace of mind! I won't worry about it!

Patty

>

> Patty ~

> You method of removal for those lovely

> vessels was perfectly safe ! It is done

> the same way with a laser, or a cartery tool,

> when done in the doc office. I used to do

> peoples spots all the time with a electric tool

> that had a thin wire coming from it, and you just

> touch those spots multiple times and it will carterize

> it, keep it clean and wallah, same thing !

> Love Dede

>

>

>

> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in

shape.

> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?

NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Patty,

Sounds like you're the ND for your own family though, which I am

finding is more and more common! Last week I was corresponding with

a mom who recovered her autistic son completely through diet,

homeopathic therapies and detox all on her own. It took 4 years but

she has a completely healthy neurotypical kid now...even healthier

than the average kid.

Thanks for the additional info on the coffee enemas. Cutler says in

his book to avoid glutathione but doesn't say why. He just has a

line marked through it as a contraindicated supplement. He doesn't

mention coffee enemas. Did you do these while chelating or did you

start afterwards? Part of me wants to use this time off to detox

with the sauna, do a coffee enema, a liver flush once a month and

maybe an occasional ionic foot bath. Yet, I'm not sure if I really

need to be using this in-between time to rest and build up my

minerals that may have been depleted in my body. I want to invent a

device that just automatically gives me an accurate reading of what's

going on inside!!!

Yes, I've been to Paris twice...love it! You're right, so romantic

and beautiful. You're so lucky to have had the India and Paris

experience. Your husband sounds like mine. He has no desire to go

on this trip, partly because it's all work and I'm sick, but even if

I was well and going along, Europe just doesn't do anything for him

like it does me. Love, PH

> > >

> > > April,

> > > Right after my implantation surgery or soon after, I developed

a

> > > horrible pain in my legs, followed by little red dots all over

> > them.

> > > I was mystified by them, but never sought a doctor's opinion.

At

> > > night I would have my husband rub my legs and massage them to

> help

> > > with the pain, and soon enough, everything settled down. The

red

> > > spots went away.

> > >

> > > In retrospect, I view this as one of the first signs that my

body

> > was

> > > getting whacked out by the implants, but I was too delighted to

> > > finally have " safe " bigger boobs to make any connection at that

> > time

> > > to anything going on. It amazes me how oblivious we can be to

> > subtle

> > > signs in our bodies when we get implants. It took 8 more

months

> > for

> > > my body to finally and completely crash.

> > >

> > > I think those red spots were purpurae...at least that is what

the

> > > rheumatologist called them when I described them to him. He

> seemed

> > > very familiar with this condition.

> > >

> > > But I never developed permanent red spots all over my body that

> you

> > > are describing, though I do have a few of those red moles. I

know

> > > I've seen older people with tons of them all over their torso.

I

> > had

> > > one relatively large one on the side of my face(by my hairline)

> > > removed by a dermatologist many years ago (before implants).

> > >

> > > Being the ultimate do-it-yourselfer, I shrank the rest of the

> ones

> > > that I could see and reach myself with crude tools....a safety

> pin

> > > and a candle. I just heated the end of the safety pin in the

> flame

> > > of the candle until it was red hot, then stuck the end in the

red

> > > mole and watched it shrink. I have no idea if that is safe or

> not,

> > > but I do know it worked to shrink them into little red

pinspots,

> > > barely noticeable! (Geeze, now I wonder if I was stupid!)

> > >

> > > Patty

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In , " April Blue " <april@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I have always had quite a few moles. But it seems like in

the

> > past

> > > few

> > > > years (I got my implants 6 yrs ago) I've developed LOTS of

> them.

> > > They

> > > > are limited to the areas of my upper chest, stomach and

back.

> A

> > > lot of

> > > > them are red moles, which has concerned me. I have looked up

> the

> > > > characteristics of melanoma and luckily they do not look

> > > cancerous. I

> > > > did a search on this forum and found this quote:

> > > >

> > > > " Purpura results from the extravasation of blood from the

> > > vasculature

> > > > into the skin or mucous membranes. Therefore, purpuric

lesions

> do

> > > not

> > > > blanch with pressure. Depending on their size, purpuric

lesions

> > are

> > > > traditionally classified as petechiae (pinpoint hemorrhages

> less

> > > than 2

> > > > mm in greatest diameter), purpura (2 mm to 1 cm) or

ecchymoses

> > > (more

> > > > than 1 cm).1 Although purpura itself is not dangerous, it may

> be

> > > the

> > > > sign of an underlying life-threatening disorder. (some people

> > refer

> > > to

> > > > purpura's as " blood moles " ) "

> > > >

> > > > I'm wondering if the moles are the result of my immune system

> > > fighting

> > > > these foreign invaders? I guess it's all the more

confirmation

> > > that

> > > > I'm doing the right thing by getting these implants out. I

was

> > > just

> > > > wondering if any of you have had this same issue and if

you've

> > > found

> > > > out a reason for it.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks!

> > > > April

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Patty,

Sounds like you're the ND for your own family though, which I am

finding is more and more common! Last week I was corresponding with

a mom who recovered her autistic son completely through diet,

homeopathic therapies and detox all on her own. It took 4 years but

she has a completely healthy neurotypical kid now...even healthier

than the average kid.

Thanks for the additional info on the coffee enemas. Cutler says in

his book to avoid glutathione but doesn't say why. He just has a

line marked through it as a contraindicated supplement. He doesn't

mention coffee enemas. Did you do these while chelating or did you

start afterwards? Part of me wants to use this time off to detox

with the sauna, do a coffee enema, a liver flush once a month and

maybe an occasional ionic foot bath. Yet, I'm not sure if I really

need to be using this in-between time to rest and build up my

minerals that may have been depleted in my body. I want to invent a

device that just automatically gives me an accurate reading of what's

going on inside!!!

Yes, I've been to Paris twice...love it! You're right, so romantic

and beautiful. You're so lucky to have had the India and Paris

experience. Your husband sounds like mine. He has no desire to go

on this trip, partly because it's all work and I'm sick, but even if

I was well and going along, Europe just doesn't do anything for him

like it does me. Love, PH

> > >

> > > April,

> > > Right after my implantation surgery or soon after, I developed

a

> > > horrible pain in my legs, followed by little red dots all over

> > them.

> > > I was mystified by them, but never sought a doctor's opinion.

At

> > > night I would have my husband rub my legs and massage them to

> help

> > > with the pain, and soon enough, everything settled down. The

red

> > > spots went away.

> > >

> > > In retrospect, I view this as one of the first signs that my

body

> > was

> > > getting whacked out by the implants, but I was too delighted to

> > > finally have " safe " bigger boobs to make any connection at that

> > time

> > > to anything going on. It amazes me how oblivious we can be to

> > subtle

> > > signs in our bodies when we get implants. It took 8 more

months

> > for

> > > my body to finally and completely crash.

> > >

> > > I think those red spots were purpurae...at least that is what

the

> > > rheumatologist called them when I described them to him. He

> seemed

> > > very familiar with this condition.

> > >

> > > But I never developed permanent red spots all over my body that

> you

> > > are describing, though I do have a few of those red moles. I

know

> > > I've seen older people with tons of them all over their torso.

I

> > had

> > > one relatively large one on the side of my face(by my hairline)

> > > removed by a dermatologist many years ago (before implants).

> > >

> > > Being the ultimate do-it-yourselfer, I shrank the rest of the

> ones

> > > that I could see and reach myself with crude tools....a safety

> pin

> > > and a candle. I just heated the end of the safety pin in the

> flame

> > > of the candle until it was red hot, then stuck the end in the

red

> > > mole and watched it shrink. I have no idea if that is safe or

> not,

> > > but I do know it worked to shrink them into little red

pinspots,

> > > barely noticeable! (Geeze, now I wonder if I was stupid!)

> > >

> > > Patty

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In , " April Blue " <april@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I have always had quite a few moles. But it seems like in

the

> > past

> > > few

> > > > years (I got my implants 6 yrs ago) I've developed LOTS of

> them.

> > > They

> > > > are limited to the areas of my upper chest, stomach and

back.

> A

> > > lot of

> > > > them are red moles, which has concerned me. I have looked up

> the

> > > > characteristics of melanoma and luckily they do not look

> > > cancerous. I

> > > > did a search on this forum and found this quote:

> > > >

> > > > " Purpura results from the extravasation of blood from the

> > > vasculature

> > > > into the skin or mucous membranes. Therefore, purpuric

lesions

> do

> > > not

> > > > blanch with pressure. Depending on their size, purpuric

lesions

> > are

> > > > traditionally classified as petechiae (pinpoint hemorrhages

> less

> > > than 2

> > > > mm in greatest diameter), purpura (2 mm to 1 cm) or

ecchymoses

> > > (more

> > > > than 1 cm).1 Although purpura itself is not dangerous, it may

> be

> > > the

> > > > sign of an underlying life-threatening disorder. (some people

> > refer

> > > to

> > > > purpura's as " blood moles " ) "

> > > >

> > > > I'm wondering if the moles are the result of my immune system

> > > fighting

> > > > these foreign invaders? I guess it's all the more

confirmation

> > > that

> > > > I'm doing the right thing by getting these implants out. I

was

> > > just

> > > > wondering if any of you have had this same issue and if

you've

> > > found

> > > > out a reason for it.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks!

> > > > April

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/5/08 7:53:20 PM, coss@... writes:

These spots you are describing are vascular in nature. On many women

they go away. I am not sure of the name of them, as they seem to be

called various things.

Mine have not gone away for over 15 years now. They are red and slightly raised. I think I will try the home style dermatology technique and see if I can make them history...

Cathie

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/5/08 7:53:20 PM, coss@... writes:

These spots you are describing are vascular in nature. On many women

they go away. I am not sure of the name of them, as they seem to be

called various things.

Mine have not gone away for over 15 years now. They are red and slightly raised. I think I will try the home style dermatology technique and see if I can make them history...

Cathie

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/5/08 9:11:47 PM, coss@... writes:

Cathie,

Are these like strawberry spots? Have you had a dermatologist look

at them? That is who I would see and ask what they are. I saw some

distinctly vascular spots, but yours could be something else if they

have been there for 15 years.

Lynda

I can't remember Lynda. I think so, but I have seen so many doctors, I cannot remember who all has looked. These are darkish red, some are very small like the head of a pin; others are about 3 mm, maybe...

I will be sure to show him next visit...

Cathie

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/5/08 9:11:47 PM, coss@... writes:

Cathie,

Are these like strawberry spots? Have you had a dermatologist look

at them? That is who I would see and ask what they are. I saw some

distinctly vascular spots, but yours could be something else if they

have been there for 15 years.

Lynda

I can't remember Lynda. I think so, but I have seen so many doctors, I cannot remember who all has looked. These are darkish red, some are very small like the head of a pin; others are about 3 mm, maybe...

I will be sure to show him next visit...

Cathie

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[Guest guest]

I have heard these called several things. I did not have exactly

these, I had red pimple like sores on my legs that stayed and stayed,

and when I actually squeezed them very hard, a crystal like particle

came out of them. I had these for several years. I think it was

crystallized particles from the silicone. I also had silicone granulomas.

There are small hemorrhages on the surface of the skin call petechae

but not raised.

These spots you are describing are vascular in nature. On many women

they go away. I am not sure of the name of them, as they seem to be

called various things.

Others??????

Lynda

At 06:02 PM 1/5/2008, you wrote:

>I don't think these are actually moles. Maybe Lynda can better

>explain these... I think it has something to do with rheumatological

>problems, maybe vascular?

>

>Lynda, can you help out here?

>

>Cathie

>

>

>**************

>Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.

>http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

>