Re: Fw: More about Tamra Barney's downsized implants

[Guest guest]

I wish Tamara would have just chosen to go with the complete explant

and lift. She is a beautiful woman does not need to have implants to

be beautiful. I wish she would see that. I hate that she said on the

show that her boobs were her best asset, it simply isn't true and I

don't like that she said that on TV for so many women to hear. She

looks so much better with the smaller breasts, makes her look younger

as a matter of fact!

Why am I starting to get the feeling that in 10 years getting breast

implants is only going to be something that middle-aged, divorced,

over-weight women do to make themselves feel better? This comment was

very intriguing to me:

" It was quite interesting to both of us that three overweight women

on the show are depending on cosmetic breast surgery as a solution to

their self-esteem issues that are clearly due to a poor physical self-

image as a result of excess body weight. The answer is not to

continue with a lifestyle where you eat poorly and then struggle with

exercises (that you hate because you are out of shape) in order

to `burn' off the excess calories. "

And this one:

" By the same token we see many women in south Florida who get larger

implants in their late 30's and 40's. I m sure there is a significant

psychosocial component to this, as the women seeking larger implants

are trying to recapture some aspect of their youth — more attention

when their looks are changing, perhaps divorced and now on the market

again, trying to rekindle relationships etc. "

I'm not trying to knock any woman that is it this category, that

isn't my intention. It just seems like the breast implant pendulum is

starting to swing this way. I can see in 5 years, younger women being

more concerned over being slim and healthy (not caring so much about

big boobs,) and the older generation of women being the ones going in

for the implants. Is anyone else starting to see this like I am?

~Krista

>

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> saxony01@...

> Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2008 3:14:14 PM

> Subject: More about Tamra Barney's downsized implants

>

>

> Wow, was that a popular story. The comments kept pouring in. Many

are in

> this follow-up post:

>

> http://innovation.freedomblogging.com/2008/01/03/doctors-respond-to-

real-housewife-breast-implant-decision/

>

> Happy new year to all!

>

> Colin

>

[Guest guest]

I wish Tamara would have just chosen to go with the complete explant

and lift. She is a beautiful woman does not need to have implants to

be beautiful. I wish she would see that. I hate that she said on the

show that her boobs were her best asset, it simply isn't true and I

don't like that she said that on TV for so many women to hear. She

looks so much better with the smaller breasts, makes her look younger

as a matter of fact!

Why am I starting to get the feeling that in 10 years getting breast

implants is only going to be something that middle-aged, divorced,

over-weight women do to make themselves feel better? This comment was

very intriguing to me:

" It was quite interesting to both of us that three overweight women

on the show are depending on cosmetic breast surgery as a solution to

their self-esteem issues that are clearly due to a poor physical self-

image as a result of excess body weight. The answer is not to

continue with a lifestyle where you eat poorly and then struggle with

exercises (that you hate because you are out of shape) in order

to `burn' off the excess calories. "

And this one:

" By the same token we see many women in south Florida who get larger

implants in their late 30's and 40's. I m sure there is a significant

psychosocial component to this, as the women seeking larger implants

are trying to recapture some aspect of their youth — more attention

when their looks are changing, perhaps divorced and now on the market

again, trying to rekindle relationships etc. "

I'm not trying to knock any woman that is it this category, that

isn't my intention. It just seems like the breast implant pendulum is

starting to swing this way. I can see in 5 years, younger women being

more concerned over being slim and healthy (not caring so much about

big boobs,) and the older generation of women being the ones going in

for the implants. Is anyone else starting to see this like I am?

~Krista

>

> ----- Forwarded Message ----

> From: " cstewart@... " <cstewart@...>

> saxony01@...

> Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2008 3:14:14 PM

> Subject: More about Tamra Barney's downsized implants

>

>

> Wow, was that a popular story. The comments kept pouring in. Many

are in

> this follow-up post:

>

> http://innovation.freedomblogging.com/2008/01/03/doctors-respond-to-

real-housewife-breast-implant-decision/

>

> Happy new year to all!

>

> Colin

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with you Krista. I never had much self-esteem regarding my chest size but when I got pregnant and gained ALOT of weight, that is when I really started to consider getting implants. When I was skinny and happier with my appearance, I had better self esteem. When I got pregnant with my first child - it was like I could eat all day and never feel full. I never lost all of the "baby" weight and got pregnant with our second child. Although I ate better and did not gain hardly any weight with him, I was and still am considered overweight. I got tired of buying bigger clothes to fit my larger frame and then had to be careful everytime I bent down because my shirt would hang so bad in the chest.

Now, I kick myself thinking that getting implants to deal with my weight gain and to "proprtion" me out was the answer. It was NOT the answer. Although, I did feel better in my shirts, it did nothing for my weight. What I should have done and still should do is get my butt on my treadmill

I also hope I do not offend anyone by any comments made here, but the implants did nothing for my weight and only caused me illness and now a much lower self-esteem. Not only am I still dealing with trying to lose about 30 lbs but I am also dealing with my feeling of guilt and saddness over getting implants in the first place that made me sick.

Much Love,

Beth

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[Guest guest]

I agree with you Krista. I never had much self-esteem regarding my chest size but when I got pregnant and gained ALOT of weight, that is when I really started to consider getting implants. When I was skinny and happier with my appearance, I had better self esteem. When I got pregnant with my first child - it was like I could eat all day and never feel full. I never lost all of the "baby" weight and got pregnant with our second child. Although I ate better and did not gain hardly any weight with him, I was and still am considered overweight. I got tired of buying bigger clothes to fit my larger frame and then had to be careful everytime I bent down because my shirt would hang so bad in the chest.

Now, I kick myself thinking that getting implants to deal with my weight gain and to "proprtion" me out was the answer. It was NOT the answer. Although, I did feel better in my shirts, it did nothing for my weight. What I should have done and still should do is get my butt on my treadmill

I also hope I do not offend anyone by any comments made here, but the implants did nothing for my weight and only caused me illness and now a much lower self-esteem. Not only am I still dealing with trying to lose about 30 lbs but I am also dealing with my feeling of guilt and saddness over getting implants in the first place that made me sick.

Much Love,

Beth

More about Tamra Barney's downsized implants> > > Wow, was that a popular story. The comments kept pouring in. Many are in> this follow-up post:> > http://innovation. freedomblogging. com/2008/ 01/03/doctors- respond-to-real-housewife- breast-implant- decision/> > Happy new

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[Guest guest]

Beth- I'm glad you agree with me, I wasn't sure if I should point

that out or not. I never want to offend anyone. I just don't like

that fact that women are getting them to deal with other problems in

their life (i.e.. weight, age, divorce, etc.) I just think that there

is another solution out there besides implants and I think that's

what I was trying to point out. It seems to me that slowly the

pendulum is swinging this way....the older women wanting them to try

and recapture their youth and get attention that they once did. Only,

the downfall is that big breasts are not what is youthful, that is

the strange part to me.

I understand wanting to get the implants to try and proportion your

body if you have gained weight. I think every woman can understand

that, so you shouldn't beat yourself up over it. We've all fallen for

the hype of breast implants and all of us have learned that they

weren't the answer to our problems. Exercise, good diet, doing things

you love, confidence, finding a purpose, making and meeting goals,

relationships are the answers to our problems, not toxic plastic bags

sewn into our chests! Agh! When will we learn? Let's all just hope

that the next generation of women looks at breast implants as just

what I described and is able to look at natural breasts in all sizes

and shapes as beautiful. I look at breast implants as a step in the

wrong direction for equal rights of men and women.

~Krista

>

> I agree with you Krista. I never had much self-esteem regarding my

chest size but when I got pregnant and gained ALOT of weight, that is

when I really started to consider getting implants. When I was

skinny and happier with my appearance, I had better self esteem.

When I got pregnant with my first child - it was like I could eat all

day and never feel full. I never lost all of the " baby " weight and

got pregnant with our second child. Although I ate better and did

not gain hardly any weight with him, I was and still am considered

overweight. I got tired of buying bigger clothes to fit my larger

frame and then had to be careful everytime I bent down because my

shirt would hang so bad in the chest.

>

> Now, I kick myself thinking that getting implants to deal with my

weight gain and to " proprtion " me out was the answer. It was NOT the

answer. Although, I did feel better in my shirts, it did nothing for

my weight. What I should have done and still should do is get my

butt on my treadmill

>

>

> I also hope I do not offend anyone by any comments made here, but

the implants did nothing for my weight and only caused me illness and

now a much lower self-esteem. Not only am I still dealing with

trying to lose about 30 lbs but I am also dealing with my feeling of

guilt and saddness over getting implants in the first place that made

me sick.

>

>

> Much Love,

> Beth

>

>

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> More about Tamra Barney's downsized implants

> >

> >

> > Wow, was that a popular story. The comments kept pouring in. Many

> are in

> > this follow-up post:

> >

> > http://innovation. freedomblogging. com/2008/ 01/03/doctors-

respond-to-

> real-housewife- breast-implant- decision/

> >

> > Happy new year to all!

> >

> > Colin

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Beth- I'm glad you agree with me, I wasn't sure if I should point

that out or not. I never want to offend anyone. I just don't like

that fact that women are getting them to deal with other problems in

their life (i.e.. weight, age, divorce, etc.) I just think that there

is another solution out there besides implants and I think that's

what I was trying to point out. It seems to me that slowly the

pendulum is swinging this way....the older women wanting them to try

and recapture their youth and get attention that they once did. Only,

the downfall is that big breasts are not what is youthful, that is

the strange part to me.

I understand wanting to get the implants to try and proportion your

body if you have gained weight. I think every woman can understand

that, so you shouldn't beat yourself up over it. We've all fallen for

the hype of breast implants and all of us have learned that they

weren't the answer to our problems. Exercise, good diet, doing things

you love, confidence, finding a purpose, making and meeting goals,

relationships are the answers to our problems, not toxic plastic bags

sewn into our chests! Agh! When will we learn? Let's all just hope

that the next generation of women looks at breast implants as just

what I described and is able to look at natural breasts in all sizes

and shapes as beautiful. I look at breast implants as a step in the

wrong direction for equal rights of men and women.

~Krista

>

> I agree with you Krista. I never had much self-esteem regarding my

chest size but when I got pregnant and gained ALOT of weight, that is

when I really started to consider getting implants. When I was

skinny and happier with my appearance, I had better self esteem.

When I got pregnant with my first child - it was like I could eat all

day and never feel full. I never lost all of the " baby " weight and

got pregnant with our second child. Although I ate better and did

not gain hardly any weight with him, I was and still am considered

overweight. I got tired of buying bigger clothes to fit my larger

frame and then had to be careful everytime I bent down because my

shirt would hang so bad in the chest.

>

> Now, I kick myself thinking that getting implants to deal with my

weight gain and to " proprtion " me out was the answer. It was NOT the

answer. Although, I did feel better in my shirts, it did nothing for

my weight. What I should have done and still should do is get my

butt on my treadmill

>

>

> I also hope I do not offend anyone by any comments made here, but

the implants did nothing for my weight and only caused me illness and

now a much lower self-esteem. Not only am I still dealing with

trying to lose about 30 lbs but I am also dealing with my feeling of

guilt and saddness over getting implants in the first place that made

me sick.

>

>

> Much Love,

> Beth

>

>

>

> More about Tamra Barney's downsized implants

> >

> >

> > Wow, was that a popular story. The comments kept pouring in. Many

> are in

> > this follow-up post:

> >

> > http://innovation. freedomblogging. com/2008/ 01/03/doctors-

respond-to-

> real-housewife- breast-implant- decision/

> >

> > Happy new year to all!

> >

> > Colin

> >

>

>

>

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>

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[Guest guest]

Krista,

I think you're right about the trends changing, but I think the

trends change based on men. I don't want to sound like a man-hater

because I absolutely adore men, but based on a Diversity course in

grad school and what we learned about sexism and feminism, this is

what the professor taught and what we viewed in a documentary:

Our society is paternalistic in which men are the ones in charge.

Big corporations are run by men, the country is run by men,

advertising is run by men. How women look and dress is based largely

on what men find attractive. In order for men to stay on top and be

in charge, they need to control the woman...so much of this is done

subconsciously without men or women even knowing it. One way to have

control over women is to let her feel that she's not good enough the

way she is...again, men and women engage in all this w/o really

thinking about it or intending to be cruel...it's more survival of

the fittest, yet not to the point that women vanish, but are somewhat

weakened.

Anyway, once women give in to all the plastic surgery for a male-

driven society, the men lose some control. The woman is

now " perfect " and therefore somewhat threatening, and so the men will

eventually change their minds about viewing surgery as attractive in

order to regain a form of subtle control over the women. Like, if

all women have big, fake breasts, suddenly men will want them to have

small, natural breasts in order to make the women insecure and have

victory over the women.

If you look back over the last century, the shapes of women's bodies

have changed tremendously from decade to decade based on men's tastes

and women trying to meet those ideals, to the point women are under the

knife. Men don't engage in plastic surgery nearly as often as women.

Men don't wear makeup either in order to change their appearance or hide

" flaws. "

Of course, so many other things play into this as well, but this was

just my professor's point of view.

To me it would be heaven if our society got to the point where beauty

on the inside became the admired and advertised asset, but I don't

know how that could ever happen. I think you're definitely right

that we will see a trend in people wanting health.

I think too, that as great as it's been for older women to be

told, " 40 is the new 20 " and to recognize that 50 and 60 are actually

young, still puts enormous pressure on women. I see a lot of great

looking

40, 50 and 60 year olds but also a lot who you know are trying

waaaayyyy too hard to look young and it's sad. Love, PH

> >

> > ----- Forwarded Message ----

> > From: " cstewart@ " cstewart@

> > saxony01@

> > Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2008 3:14:14 PM

> > Subject: More about Tamra Barney's downsized implants

> >

> >

> > Wow, was that a popular story. The comments kept pouring in. Many

> are in

> > this follow-up post:

> >

> > http://innovation.freedomblogging.com/2008/01/03/doctors-respond-to-

> real-housewife-breast-implant-decision/

> >

> > Happy new year to all!

> >

> > Colin

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Krista,

I think you're right about the trends changing, but I think the

trends change based on men. I don't want to sound like a man-hater

because I absolutely adore men, but based on a Diversity course in

grad school and what we learned about sexism and feminism, this is

what the professor taught and what we viewed in a documentary:

Our society is paternalistic in which men are the ones in charge.

Big corporations are run by men, the country is run by men,

advertising is run by men. How women look and dress is based largely

on what men find attractive. In order for men to stay on top and be

in charge, they need to control the woman...so much of this is done

subconsciously without men or women even knowing it. One way to have

control over women is to let her feel that she's not good enough the

way she is...again, men and women engage in all this w/o really

thinking about it or intending to be cruel...it's more survival of

the fittest, yet not to the point that women vanish, but are somewhat

weakened.

Anyway, once women give in to all the plastic surgery for a male-

driven society, the men lose some control. The woman is

now " perfect " and therefore somewhat threatening, and so the men will

eventually change their minds about viewing surgery as attractive in

order to regain a form of subtle control over the women. Like, if

all women have big, fake breasts, suddenly men will want them to have

small, natural breasts in order to make the women insecure and have

victory over the women.

If you look back over the last century, the shapes of women's bodies

have changed tremendously from decade to decade based on men's tastes

and women trying to meet those ideals, to the point women are under the

knife. Men don't engage in plastic surgery nearly as often as women.

Men don't wear makeup either in order to change their appearance or hide

" flaws. "

Of course, so many other things play into this as well, but this was

just my professor's point of view.

To me it would be heaven if our society got to the point where beauty

on the inside became the admired and advertised asset, but I don't

know how that could ever happen. I think you're definitely right

that we will see a trend in people wanting health.

I think too, that as great as it's been for older women to be

told, " 40 is the new 20 " and to recognize that 50 and 60 are actually

young, still puts enormous pressure on women. I see a lot of great

looking

40, 50 and 60 year olds but also a lot who you know are trying

waaaayyyy too hard to look young and it's sad. Love, PH

> >

> > ----- Forwarded Message ----

> > From: " cstewart@ " cstewart@

> > saxony01@

> > Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2008 3:14:14 PM

> > Subject: More about Tamra Barney's downsized implants

> >

> >

> > Wow, was that a popular story. The comments kept pouring in. Many

> are in

> > this follow-up post:

> >

> > http://innovation.freedomblogging.com/2008/01/03/doctors-respond-to-

> real-housewife-breast-implant-decision/

> >

> > Happy new year to all!

> >

> > Colin

> >

>

[Guest guest]

PH- That's really interesting that you would mention that because I

believe that Tamara had actually chosen initially just to go with the

explant and lift, but her husband said he didn't want a wife

with " mosquito bites. " So, I'm sure this is a big reason if not THE

reason that she chose to just replace with a smaller implant.

Also, when I was having dinner with my newly implanted friend the

other night her and her husband got into the boob conversation with

my other friend and her husband. The newly implanted friend's husband

said that he had wanted to be in the room during the surgery so he

could tell the PS how HE wanted her breasts to look. Then, the other

friend was saying how big her boobs are (she's this tiny Korean girl

with huge D's) and how bad she looks in a bikini, and I started

laughing and said " yeah, you always say you look like a hooker in a

bikini. " She started laughing because she knows they are too big, and

the husband got a little huffy with me. She told me later that he

doesn't want her friends saying anything about how big they are

because he's worried she will want to have them down-sized! Even

though she DOES want to have them down-sized! Just goes to show that

women are getting those stupid things to try and make their man happy

or catch a man if they don't have one. I got them because I was

worried my future husband (I wasn't married at the time) would feel

like he was missing out on something if his wife didn't have big

boobs. Stupid.

I just hope we do start to see the trend changing to health over

anything else. What ever happened to beauty and health going hand and

hand? If I had a penny for every time I heard a woman say she stopped

exercising after she got her implants, I'd be a rich woman!

I agree that there are gorgeous women in their 40's, 50's and 60's

but I'll tell ya one thing, it's not the Janice Dickinsons that are

beautiful it's the ones that are growing old gracefully, naturally.

Love, Krista

> > >

> > > ----- Forwarded Message ----

> > > From: " cstewart@ " cstewart@

> > > saxony01@

> > > Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2008 3:14:14 PM

> > > Subject: More about Tamra Barney's downsized implants

> > >

> > >

> > > Wow, was that a popular story. The comments kept pouring in.

Many

> > are in

> > > this follow-up post:

> > >

> > > http://innovation.freedomblogging.com/2008/01/03/doctors-

respond-to-

> > real-housewife-breast-implant-decision/

> > >

> > > Happy new year to all!

> > >

> > > Colin

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

PH- That's really interesting that you would mention that because I

believe that Tamara had actually chosen initially just to go with the

explant and lift, but her husband said he didn't want a wife

with " mosquito bites. " So, I'm sure this is a big reason if not THE

reason that she chose to just replace with a smaller implant.

Also, when I was having dinner with my newly implanted friend the

other night her and her husband got into the boob conversation with

my other friend and her husband. The newly implanted friend's husband

said that he had wanted to be in the room during the surgery so he

could tell the PS how HE wanted her breasts to look. Then, the other

friend was saying how big her boobs are (she's this tiny Korean girl

with huge D's) and how bad she looks in a bikini, and I started

laughing and said " yeah, you always say you look like a hooker in a

bikini. " She started laughing because she knows they are too big, and

the husband got a little huffy with me. She told me later that he

doesn't want her friends saying anything about how big they are

because he's worried she will want to have them down-sized! Even

though she DOES want to have them down-sized! Just goes to show that

women are getting those stupid things to try and make their man happy

or catch a man if they don't have one. I got them because I was

worried my future husband (I wasn't married at the time) would feel

like he was missing out on something if his wife didn't have big

boobs. Stupid.

I just hope we do start to see the trend changing to health over

anything else. What ever happened to beauty and health going hand and

hand? If I had a penny for every time I heard a woman say she stopped

exercising after she got her implants, I'd be a rich woman!

I agree that there are gorgeous women in their 40's, 50's and 60's

but I'll tell ya one thing, it's not the Janice Dickinsons that are

beautiful it's the ones that are growing old gracefully, naturally.

Love, Krista

> > >

> > > ----- Forwarded Message ----

> > > From: " cstewart@ " cstewart@

> > > saxony01@

> > > Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2008 3:14:14 PM

> > > Subject: More about Tamra Barney's downsized implants

> > >

> > >

> > > Wow, was that a popular story. The comments kept pouring in.

Many

> > are in

> > > this follow-up post:

> > >

> > > http://innovation.freedomblogging.com/2008/01/03/doctors-

respond-to-

> > real-housewife-breast-implant-decision/

> > >

> > > Happy new year to all!

> > >

> > > Colin

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

PH,

I find myself looking at women who have done so much to try to look years younger than they are, while wondering "Why?" . . . Is how they feel about themselves so bad that they will go through all that pain and expense to look younger - for people who probably don't care what they look like to begin with? . . . It's really sad.

I agree that much of this **** comes from men's desire to control . . .

I'd like to know who brought those extremely high tiny heel shoes with pointy toes back? . . . Many (not me) women are walking around in pain because they wore those shoes years ago. . . When I was shopping for shoes one time, the salesman brought out a ridiculously pointed shoe for me to try on. . . I put my foot down next to it and asked "Does it look like MY foot will fit in THAT shoe?" . . . He took a second look and agreed that was not going to be my shoe!

Did you know some women are getting plastic surgery on their feet so the will fit those shoes?

Hugs,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

PH,

I find myself looking at women who have done so much to try to look years younger than they are, while wondering "Why?" . . . Is how they feel about themselves so bad that they will go through all that pain and expense to look younger - for people who probably don't care what they look like to begin with? . . . It's really sad.

I agree that much of this **** comes from men's desire to control . . .

I'd like to know who brought those extremely high tiny heel shoes with pointy toes back? . . . Many (not me) women are walking around in pain because they wore those shoes years ago. . . When I was shopping for shoes one time, the salesman brought out a ridiculously pointed shoe for me to try on. . . I put my foot down next to it and asked "Does it look like MY foot will fit in THAT shoe?" . . . He took a second look and agreed that was not going to be my shoe!

Did you know some women are getting plastic surgery on their feet so the will fit those shoes?

Hugs,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Krista, Oh my Gosh, if my husband ever said anything about

my " moquito bites " I'd be out the door!! Yeah, some men are loudly

opinionated about women's looks...that bugs me yet if I'm the

receiver of it on occasion by an attractive stranger or even a not-so-

attractive one, I admit it makes my day!...sad, isn't it!? It seems

so superficial that fleeting happiness is hinged upon another's

view. It's a double-edged sword...women want men to positively

comment on their looks, yet in order to comment, the men have to

compare her to someone else in order to make a judgement.

I know what you mean about getting them for your future husband. I

got them mostly because I thought it would please my husband, even

though he repeatedly told me that he didn't want them. I think back

then, I thought " how could he not want them? " because the ideal image

of a woman in MY mind was one with big breasts....totally ingrained

in me from the media, comments from men I know who've attended

bachelor parties, even comments from other women.

When I see all the women on here saying (myself included), if only I

loved my body and had more self-esteem, it seems like we're beating

ourselves up even further and having unnecessary guilt. This whole

body image, self-esteem, and societal pressures goes so deep that

it's way beyond any of our faults and to some degree, our control.

How can one have self-esteem and like her body when she's bombarded

with the media and husbands like your friends who make comments like

that on a daily basis? It's virtually impossible!! I know I am

trying to love my body for what it is now and in some ways I do even

more than before, but it's sad that it takes implant illness to make

you realize that a " good " body means nothing in the big scheme of

things. I'm learning valuable lessons, but I wish the trial wasn't

so hard! Love, PH

> > > >

> > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----

> > > > From: " cstewart@ " cstewart@

> > > > saxony01@

> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2008 3:14:14 PM

> > > > Subject: More about Tamra Barney's downsized implants

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Wow, was that a popular story. The comments kept pouring in.

> Many

> > > are in

> > > > this follow-up post:

> > > >

> > > > http://innovation.freedomblogging.com/2008/01/03/doctors-

> respond-to-

> > > real-housewife-breast-implant-decision/

> > > >

> > > > Happy new year to all!

> > > >

> > > > Colin

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Krista, Oh my Gosh, if my husband ever said anything about

my " moquito bites " I'd be out the door!! Yeah, some men are loudly

opinionated about women's looks...that bugs me yet if I'm the

receiver of it on occasion by an attractive stranger or even a not-so-

attractive one, I admit it makes my day!...sad, isn't it!? It seems

so superficial that fleeting happiness is hinged upon another's

view. It's a double-edged sword...women want men to positively

comment on their looks, yet in order to comment, the men have to

compare her to someone else in order to make a judgement.

I know what you mean about getting them for your future husband. I

got them mostly because I thought it would please my husband, even

though he repeatedly told me that he didn't want them. I think back

then, I thought " how could he not want them? " because the ideal image

of a woman in MY mind was one with big breasts....totally ingrained

in me from the media, comments from men I know who've attended

bachelor parties, even comments from other women.

When I see all the women on here saying (myself included), if only I

loved my body and had more self-esteem, it seems like we're beating

ourselves up even further and having unnecessary guilt. This whole

body image, self-esteem, and societal pressures goes so deep that

it's way beyond any of our faults and to some degree, our control.

How can one have self-esteem and like her body when she's bombarded

with the media and husbands like your friends who make comments like

that on a daily basis? It's virtually impossible!! I know I am

trying to love my body for what it is now and in some ways I do even

more than before, but it's sad that it takes implant illness to make

you realize that a " good " body means nothing in the big scheme of

things. I'm learning valuable lessons, but I wish the trial wasn't

so hard! Love, PH

> > > >

> > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----

> > > > From: " cstewart@ " cstewart@

> > > > saxony01@

> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2008 3:14:14 PM

> > > > Subject: More about Tamra Barney's downsized implants

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Wow, was that a popular story. The comments kept pouring in.

> Many

> > > are in

> > > > this follow-up post:

> > > >

> > > > http://innovation.freedomblogging.com/2008/01/03/doctors-

> respond-to-

> > > real-housewife-breast-implant-decision/

> > > >

> > > > Happy new year to all!

> > > >

> > > > Colin

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Rogene,

Yes, I heard about the shoe/foot surgery...in fact when my brother

brought his girlfriend home a few years ago, she said she was going

to do that so she could wear stilettos! Needless to say, the family

wasn't impressed! That seems like such torture to go through for a

fashion statement, yet in some ways, it's no different than implants

and bikinis.

It is so sad that women go through all the pain and expense to look

younger. I used to read about the latest products to erase lines and

was even thinking " Someday, I'll get a mini face lift " . The women in

my community do it at about 38 so that no one knows. It's sick!!!

None of that appeals to me now. In fact, in the last year I've aged

due to the toxins, and it bothers me slightly but my health bothers

me more!!! I think a beautiful smile and feeling good on the inside

is good enough beauty for me.

Ha! I understand completely the pointy-toed shoes! I was telling

Krista today that now I dress for simplicity and comfort...although

my husband got me big, boxy, flannel pjs with COWS on them for

Christmas!!! I couldn't believe it. I refuse to wear them as that's

just pushing the envelope!! Love, PH

>

> PH,

>

> I find myself looking at women who have done so much to try to look

years younger than they are, while wondering " Why? " . . . Is how they

feel about themselves so bad that they will go through all that pain

and expense to look younger - for people who probably don't care what

they look like to begin with? . . . It's really sad.

>

> I agree that much of this **** comes from men's desire to

control . . .

>

> I'd like to know who brought those extremely high tiny heel shoes

with pointy toes back? . . . Many (not me) women are walking around

in pain because they wore those shoes years ago. . . When I was

shopping for shoes one time, the salesman brought out a ridiculously

pointed shoe for me to try on. . . I put my foot down next to it and

asked " Does it look like MY foot will fit in THAT shoe? " . . . He

took a second look and agreed that was not going to be my shoe!

>

> Did you know some women are getting plastic surgery on their feet

so the will fit those shoes?

>

> Hugs,

>

> Rogene

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Rogene,

Yes, I heard about the shoe/foot surgery...in fact when my brother

brought his girlfriend home a few years ago, she said she was going

to do that so she could wear stilettos! Needless to say, the family

wasn't impressed! That seems like such torture to go through for a

fashion statement, yet in some ways, it's no different than implants

and bikinis.

It is so sad that women go through all the pain and expense to look

younger. I used to read about the latest products to erase lines and

was even thinking " Someday, I'll get a mini face lift " . The women in

my community do it at about 38 so that no one knows. It's sick!!!

None of that appeals to me now. In fact, in the last year I've aged

due to the toxins, and it bothers me slightly but my health bothers

me more!!! I think a beautiful smile and feeling good on the inside

is good enough beauty for me.

Ha! I understand completely the pointy-toed shoes! I was telling

Krista today that now I dress for simplicity and comfort...although

my husband got me big, boxy, flannel pjs with COWS on them for

Christmas!!! I couldn't believe it. I refuse to wear them as that's

just pushing the envelope!! Love, PH

>

> PH,

>

> I find myself looking at women who have done so much to try to look

years younger than they are, while wondering " Why? " . . . Is how they

feel about themselves so bad that they will go through all that pain

and expense to look younger - for people who probably don't care what

they look like to begin with? . . . It's really sad.

>

> I agree that much of this **** comes from men's desire to

control . . .

>

> I'd like to know who brought those extremely high tiny heel shoes

with pointy toes back? . . . Many (not me) women are walking around

in pain because they wore those shoes years ago. . . When I was

shopping for shoes one time, the salesman brought out a ridiculously

pointed shoe for me to try on. . . I put my foot down next to it and

asked " Does it look like MY foot will fit in THAT shoe? " . . . He

took a second look and agreed that was not going to be my shoe!

>

> Did you know some women are getting plastic surgery on their feet

so the will fit those shoes?

>

> Hugs,

>

> Rogene

>