Re: What Next????

[Guest guest]

Hi Beth- I'm just going to give you my two cents on your appointment.

First, I have no idea whether your ND's office is in it just for the

money. I'm sure with every ND there is SOME aspect of this. I mean,

regardless of what is going on with our health, they still have to

make a profit from seeing us, that is the cruel world we live in. :-(

I'm glad to hear that everything came back normal as far as your

thyroid and adrenals. I want to point out that my thyroid is

completely normal too, and I'm sure my adrenals are too (haven't

gotten the test back yet to confirm that,) but that in no way means

that I am good to go and that I shouldn't be having any more symptoms

and don't need to be detoxing and taking supplements. I know that the

toxins and chemicals from the implants totally wreaked havoc on my

body, way behind adrenals and thyroid. The toxins get into our

digestive system, nervous system, endocrine system, circulatory

system, lymph system, etc. So, even if your thyroid and adrenals are

great, this doesn't mean that you don't need help. I'm not telling

you to go out and drop money on every supplement they are telling you

to buy, but what I would ask them is to go over their reasoning for

wanting to give you each supplement. My ND spent a long time with me

going over everything she was recommending that I take, and gave me

reasons why based on my symptoms and tests. At my second appointment,

I gave her $600.00. This include the first two visits with her, ONE

test, and the supplements (one month worth.) So, it doesn't sound

like they are too far off with their pricing. I take about 20 pills a

day (spaced out through my day) so that part doesn't sound strange to

me either.

I think the hair sample is really going to show you what your issues

are, that is the heavy metal test, right? The saliva was probably for

your adrenals. What was your urine for? Did they test for

environmental pollutants?

I can't speak on the foot bath stuff, but there has definitely been

mixed reviews about it, from my understanding.

Good luck with your decision! I'm in the same boat...spending LOTS of

money to get better!

I'm sure the other ladies will have some great advice for you!

Love, Krista

>

> Hi Ladies - I just returned from another appointment with a new ND

> and am totally confused. Here's what happened (as much as I can

> remember)

>

> I had a urine, saliva, and hair test done. I was also hooked up to

a

> few different computer test to see what was going on with my body.

> I will not get the results from the hair sample for a couple of

> weeks but the rest of the test results were available then and

> there. Basically, from what I got out of it was that for the most

> part, everything with me seems to be pretty good. They said my

> adrenals actually look pretty good and my thyroid were off just a

> little. They said my digestive system was pretty messed up (which

I

> knew) and the cellular fluid was a litle sluggish. It also showed

I

> am very dehyrated......

>

> Anyways, I am somewhat relieved that most everything looked good

but

> confused then at some of my symptoms. I have a hard time losing

> weight, I have mild dizziness and memory trouble and my feet

tingle

> constantly. And of course, as most of you know, I have terrible

> digestion problems. However, my ND wanted to put me on about 7

> different supplements that include, probotics, digestive emzymes,

> minerals and antioxidants. She was going to have me taking about 2

> pills of each 3 times a day. So I would have been taking about 15-

> 20 pills a day!!!!! The cost of these few supplements was over

$300

> and she felt that eventually I could start to get off of some of

> them. However, she thought it would be about 3 months before I

> could start to slow down some of the ones for my digestion. She

> said a multivitamin was not for me right now and she was not going

> to give me one. She based this info on a computer machine she

> hooked me too (do not remember the name). I chose not to purchase

> the pills right now and told her i would be in touch. This just

> seems like an awful lot compared to alot of the supplement

> recommendations I have gotten from here. Most of them are so much

> cheaper and seem to do the same thing. I guess my question is,

> couldn't I try to buy some of the supplements and things that have

> been recommended on here (garden of life, standard proccess) to do

> the same thing? Also, if my test show that I do not have adrenal

> problems or much of anything else, I am taking that as a good

> thing...am I right or is there other tests I should have done?

> Just needing some advice before I decide to drop $300 on

supplements

> for a few month supply!!!!

>

> Also, I mentioned the ionic foot bath to her and she asked me if it

> was the kind where you have to replace the rods and I said yes. I

> got the one from Ionic Oasis for $250 and she told me they are

about

> worthless. She said they do not pull much toxins out - the color

> change we see is from the rods. She then said I hope you did not

> put alot of money in it cause it will not do you much good. Any

> comments on this??? She claims they did these type of foot baths

> and then sent them to the labs and they came back with the same

> result, that is was basically just the rods being erroded.....

>

> Thanks for any advice - pleae know this is the " best " ND around my

> area. From what I understand, they have Doctor degrees in

> naturopathy adn also teach it. They have traveled all over the

> world with this and seem to very involved in it. I had no reason

to

> doubt their knowledge, althought I am trying to figure out if they

> are in it more for money due to the pricing. My cost today for the

> first visit, all the test and everything was $360 and then they

> wanted another $300 for supplements. Does this sound about

> right???? I tell ya - my husband may try to kick me to the curb

> after this is all done - we have so much money already in this and

> it is just the beginning......

>

> Much Love,

> Beth

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Beth- I'm just going to give you my two cents on your appointment.

First, I have no idea whether your ND's office is in it just for the

money. I'm sure with every ND there is SOME aspect of this. I mean,

regardless of what is going on with our health, they still have to

make a profit from seeing us, that is the cruel world we live in. :-(

I'm glad to hear that everything came back normal as far as your

thyroid and adrenals. I want to point out that my thyroid is

completely normal too, and I'm sure my adrenals are too (haven't

gotten the test back yet to confirm that,) but that in no way means

that I am good to go and that I shouldn't be having any more symptoms

and don't need to be detoxing and taking supplements. I know that the

toxins and chemicals from the implants totally wreaked havoc on my

body, way behind adrenals and thyroid. The toxins get into our

digestive system, nervous system, endocrine system, circulatory

system, lymph system, etc. So, even if your thyroid and adrenals are

great, this doesn't mean that you don't need help. I'm not telling

you to go out and drop money on every supplement they are telling you

to buy, but what I would ask them is to go over their reasoning for

wanting to give you each supplement. My ND spent a long time with me

going over everything she was recommending that I take, and gave me

reasons why based on my symptoms and tests. At my second appointment,

I gave her $600.00. This include the first two visits with her, ONE

test, and the supplements (one month worth.) So, it doesn't sound

like they are too far off with their pricing. I take about 20 pills a

day (spaced out through my day) so that part doesn't sound strange to

me either.

I think the hair sample is really going to show you what your issues

are, that is the heavy metal test, right? The saliva was probably for

your adrenals. What was your urine for? Did they test for

environmental pollutants?

I can't speak on the foot bath stuff, but there has definitely been

mixed reviews about it, from my understanding.

Good luck with your decision! I'm in the same boat...spending LOTS of

money to get better!

I'm sure the other ladies will have some great advice for you!

Love, Krista

>

> Hi Ladies - I just returned from another appointment with a new ND

> and am totally confused. Here's what happened (as much as I can

> remember)

>

> I had a urine, saliva, and hair test done. I was also hooked up to

a

> few different computer test to see what was going on with my body.

> I will not get the results from the hair sample for a couple of

> weeks but the rest of the test results were available then and

> there. Basically, from what I got out of it was that for the most

> part, everything with me seems to be pretty good. They said my

> adrenals actually look pretty good and my thyroid were off just a

> little. They said my digestive system was pretty messed up (which

I

> knew) and the cellular fluid was a litle sluggish. It also showed

I

> am very dehyrated......

>

> Anyways, I am somewhat relieved that most everything looked good

but

> confused then at some of my symptoms. I have a hard time losing

> weight, I have mild dizziness and memory trouble and my feet

tingle

> constantly. And of course, as most of you know, I have terrible

> digestion problems. However, my ND wanted to put me on about 7

> different supplements that include, probotics, digestive emzymes,

> minerals and antioxidants. She was going to have me taking about 2

> pills of each 3 times a day. So I would have been taking about 15-

> 20 pills a day!!!!! The cost of these few supplements was over

$300

> and she felt that eventually I could start to get off of some of

> them. However, she thought it would be about 3 months before I

> could start to slow down some of the ones for my digestion. She

> said a multivitamin was not for me right now and she was not going

> to give me one. She based this info on a computer machine she

> hooked me too (do not remember the name). I chose not to purchase

> the pills right now and told her i would be in touch. This just

> seems like an awful lot compared to alot of the supplement

> recommendations I have gotten from here. Most of them are so much

> cheaper and seem to do the same thing. I guess my question is,

> couldn't I try to buy some of the supplements and things that have

> been recommended on here (garden of life, standard proccess) to do

> the same thing? Also, if my test show that I do not have adrenal

> problems or much of anything else, I am taking that as a good

> thing...am I right or is there other tests I should have done?

> Just needing some advice before I decide to drop $300 on

supplements

> for a few month supply!!!!

>

> Also, I mentioned the ionic foot bath to her and she asked me if it

> was the kind where you have to replace the rods and I said yes. I

> got the one from Ionic Oasis for $250 and she told me they are

about

> worthless. She said they do not pull much toxins out - the color

> change we see is from the rods. She then said I hope you did not

> put alot of money in it cause it will not do you much good. Any

> comments on this??? She claims they did these type of foot baths

> and then sent them to the labs and they came back with the same

> result, that is was basically just the rods being erroded.....

>

> Thanks for any advice - pleae know this is the " best " ND around my

> area. From what I understand, they have Doctor degrees in

> naturopathy adn also teach it. They have traveled all over the

> world with this and seem to very involved in it. I had no reason

to

> doubt their knowledge, althought I am trying to figure out if they

> are in it more for money due to the pricing. My cost today for the

> first visit, all the test and everything was $360 and then they

> wanted another $300 for supplements. Does this sound about

> right???? I tell ya - my husband may try to kick me to the curb

> after this is all done - we have so much money already in this and

> it is just the beginning......

>

> Much Love,

> Beth

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Ladies - I just returned from another appointment with a new ND

> and am totally confused. Here's what happened (as much as I can

> remember)

>

> I had a urine, saliva, and hair test done. I was also hooked up to

a

> few different computer test to see what was going on with my body.

> I will not get the results from the hair sample for a couple of

> weeks but the rest of the test results were available then and

> there. Basically, from what I got out of it was that for the most

> part, everything with me seems to be pretty good. They said my

> adrenals actually look pretty good and my thyroid were off just a

> little. They said my digestive system was pretty messed up (which

I

> knew) and the cellular fluid was a litle sluggish. It also showed

I

> am very dehyrated......

>

> Anyways, I am somewhat relieved that most everything looked good

but

> confused then at some of my symptoms. I have a hard time losing

> weight, I have mild dizziness and memory trouble and my feet

tingle

> constantly. And of course, as most of you know, I have terrible

> digestion problems. However, my ND wanted to put me on about 7

> different supplements that include, probotics, digestive emzymes,

> minerals and antioxidants. She was going to have me taking about 2

> pills of each 3 times a day. So I would have been taking about 15-

> 20 pills a day!!!!! The cost of these few supplements was over

$300

> and she felt that eventually I could start to get off of some of

> them. However, she thought it would be about 3 months before I

> could start to slow down some of the ones for my digestion. She

> said a multivitamin was not for me right now and she was not going

> to give me one. She based this info on a computer machine she

> hooked me too (do not remember the name). I chose not to purchase

> the pills right now and told her i would be in touch. This just

> seems like an awful lot compared to alot of the supplement

> recommendations I have gotten from here. Most of them are so much

> cheaper and seem to do the same thing. I guess my question is,

> couldn't I try to buy some of the supplements and things that have

> been recommended on here (garden of life, standard proccess) to do

> the same thing? Also, if my test show that I do not have adrenal

> problems or much of anything else, I am taking that as a good

> thing...am I right or is there other tests I should have done?

> Just needing some advice before I decide to drop $300 on

supplements

> for a few month supply!!!!

>

> Also, I mentioned the ionic foot bath to her and she asked me if it

> was the kind where you have to replace the rods and I said yes. I

> got the one from Ionic Oasis for $250 and she told me they are

about

> worthless. She said they do not pull much toxins out - the color

> change we see is from the rods. She then said I hope you did not

> put alot of money in it cause it will not do you much good. Any

> comments on this??? She claims they did these type of foot baths

> and then sent them to the labs and they came back with the same

> result, that is was basically just the rods being erroded.....

>

> Thanks for any advice - pleae know this is the " best " ND around my

> area. From what I understand, they have Doctor degrees in

> naturopathy adn also teach it. They have traveled all over the

> world with this and seem to very involved in it. I had no reason

to

> doubt their knowledge, althought I am trying to figure out if they

> are in it more for money due to the pricing. My cost today for the

> first visit, all the test and everything was $360 and then they

> wanted another $300 for supplements. Does this sound about

> right???? I tell ya - my husband may try to kick me to the curb

> after this is all done - we have so much money already in this and

> it is just the beginning......

>

> Much Love,

> Beth

>

Beth,

I saw a natural MD (actually an Osteopathic Dr who specializes in

Natural Medicine) for 7 months. I did get a lot of good help from

him, but I had to do a LOT of my own research and make decisions on

what I felt was right for me. My first visit with him (including

buying supplements from his office, etc) was over $1200! After that

I found less expensive supplements to take based on his

recommendations (some of which worked even better than his stuff). I

also found things on my own that helped me that he didn't tell me

anything about. So IMHO you should take what your doctor says and do

some research and then go with what your gut tells you.

As far as the adrenal/thyroid thing - mine came back " normal " , too.

But I still had a LOT of symptoms of hyper/hypo thyroid and adrenal

fatigue. My dr actually put me on a thyroid med (like Armour) but I

had a weird reaction to it. But, I have responded well to the

Standard Process thyroid and adrenal supplements. I learned a lot

about thyroid issues from www.stopthethyroidmadness.com, but I'll

warn you - all the info can be pretty overwhelming. )

20 pills a day? That doesn't sound too bad...I take almost 40! :oO

Don't be discouraged. I know after seeing my ND and not getting all

the answers I wanted I was pretty frustrated and discouraged, too. I

expected him to " fix " me. But I've learned through this experience

that dr's are beneficial to us as a tool to help us heal ourselves.

Ultimately we have to make our own choices about what's right for

us. You sound like your on the right track to finding what will work

for you.

Blessings,

April

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Ladies - I just returned from another appointment with a new ND

> and am totally confused. Here's what happened (as much as I can

> remember)

>

> I had a urine, saliva, and hair test done. I was also hooked up to

a

> few different computer test to see what was going on with my body.

> I will not get the results from the hair sample for a couple of

> weeks but the rest of the test results were available then and

> there. Basically, from what I got out of it was that for the most

> part, everything with me seems to be pretty good. They said my

> adrenals actually look pretty good and my thyroid were off just a

> little. They said my digestive system was pretty messed up (which

I

> knew) and the cellular fluid was a litle sluggish. It also showed

I

> am very dehyrated......

>

> Anyways, I am somewhat relieved that most everything looked good

but

> confused then at some of my symptoms. I have a hard time losing

> weight, I have mild dizziness and memory trouble and my feet

tingle

> constantly. And of course, as most of you know, I have terrible

> digestion problems. However, my ND wanted to put me on about 7

> different supplements that include, probotics, digestive emzymes,

> minerals and antioxidants. She was going to have me taking about 2

> pills of each 3 times a day. So I would have been taking about 15-

> 20 pills a day!!!!! The cost of these few supplements was over

$300

> and she felt that eventually I could start to get off of some of

> them. However, she thought it would be about 3 months before I

> could start to slow down some of the ones for my digestion. She

> said a multivitamin was not for me right now and she was not going

> to give me one. She based this info on a computer machine she

> hooked me too (do not remember the name). I chose not to purchase

> the pills right now and told her i would be in touch. This just

> seems like an awful lot compared to alot of the supplement

> recommendations I have gotten from here. Most of them are so much

> cheaper and seem to do the same thing. I guess my question is,

> couldn't I try to buy some of the supplements and things that have

> been recommended on here (garden of life, standard proccess) to do

> the same thing? Also, if my test show that I do not have adrenal

> problems or much of anything else, I am taking that as a good

> thing...am I right or is there other tests I should have done?

> Just needing some advice before I decide to drop $300 on

supplements

> for a few month supply!!!!

>

> Also, I mentioned the ionic foot bath to her and she asked me if it

> was the kind where you have to replace the rods and I said yes. I

> got the one from Ionic Oasis for $250 and she told me they are

about

> worthless. She said they do not pull much toxins out - the color

> change we see is from the rods. She then said I hope you did not

> put alot of money in it cause it will not do you much good. Any

> comments on this??? She claims they did these type of foot baths

> and then sent them to the labs and they came back with the same

> result, that is was basically just the rods being erroded.....

>

> Thanks for any advice - pleae know this is the " best " ND around my

> area. From what I understand, they have Doctor degrees in

> naturopathy adn also teach it. They have traveled all over the

> world with this and seem to very involved in it. I had no reason

to

> doubt their knowledge, althought I am trying to figure out if they

> are in it more for money due to the pricing. My cost today for the

> first visit, all the test and everything was $360 and then they

> wanted another $300 for supplements. Does this sound about

> right???? I tell ya - my husband may try to kick me to the curb

> after this is all done - we have so much money already in this and

> it is just the beginning......

>

> Much Love,

> Beth

>

Beth,

I saw a natural MD (actually an Osteopathic Dr who specializes in

Natural Medicine) for 7 months. I did get a lot of good help from

him, but I had to do a LOT of my own research and make decisions on

what I felt was right for me. My first visit with him (including

buying supplements from his office, etc) was over $1200! After that

I found less expensive supplements to take based on his

recommendations (some of which worked even better than his stuff). I

also found things on my own that helped me that he didn't tell me

anything about. So IMHO you should take what your doctor says and do

some research and then go with what your gut tells you.

As far as the adrenal/thyroid thing - mine came back " normal " , too.

But I still had a LOT of symptoms of hyper/hypo thyroid and adrenal

fatigue. My dr actually put me on a thyroid med (like Armour) but I

had a weird reaction to it. But, I have responded well to the

Standard Process thyroid and adrenal supplements. I learned a lot

about thyroid issues from www.stopthethyroidmadness.com, but I'll

warn you - all the info can be pretty overwhelming. )

20 pills a day? That doesn't sound too bad...I take almost 40! :oO

Don't be discouraged. I know after seeing my ND and not getting all

the answers I wanted I was pretty frustrated and discouraged, too. I

expected him to " fix " me. But I've learned through this experience

that dr's are beneficial to us as a tool to help us heal ourselves.

Ultimately we have to make our own choices about what's right for

us. You sound like your on the right track to finding what will work

for you.

Blessings,

April

[Guest guest]

Beth,

When you're accustomed to conventional medicine, and most of your medical care being covered by insurance, it takes a huge leap of faith to try alternative medicine . . . It's understandable.

However, let's look at it this way . . . You've been tied to conventional medicine throughout your breast implant experience. Where did it get you? . . . How much have your medical costs cost your insurance company?

The way I see it, you can get better by picking and chosing things we've tried and suggested. There's no guarantee it will save you money, because we can't test you for anything. If you can afford to see a doctor who will put together a program TAILORED TO YOUR NEEDS, so much the better.

You've already learned a lot from your visit . . . What you DON'T have! . . . There's money saved right there! . . .

If you can afford to continue seeing the naturopath - without upsetting your hubby too much, I'd suggest getting the supplements for one month . . . then finding an equivalent if you want . . .

In the long run, you will probably more of what you need by having personal support.

Hugs,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Beth,

When you're accustomed to conventional medicine, and most of your medical care being covered by insurance, it takes a huge leap of faith to try alternative medicine . . . It's understandable.

However, let's look at it this way . . . You've been tied to conventional medicine throughout your breast implant experience. Where did it get you? . . . How much have your medical costs cost your insurance company?

The way I see it, you can get better by picking and chosing things we've tried and suggested. There's no guarantee it will save you money, because we can't test you for anything. If you can afford to see a doctor who will put together a program TAILORED TO YOUR NEEDS, so much the better.

You've already learned a lot from your visit . . . What you DON'T have! . . . There's money saved right there! . . .

If you can afford to continue seeing the naturopath - without upsetting your hubby too much, I'd suggest getting the supplements for one month . . . then finding an equivalent if you want . . .

In the long run, you will probably more of what you need by having personal support.

Hugs,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Thanks for all the advice. It is just so much - my poor husband is working so hard and I feel like I am spending all of our extra money on trying to get better.....it's depressing

WOW - I did not relize that alot of you had adrenal and thyroid test that came back normal......I thought that msot of the test showed adrenal stress and also hormonal stress. I was very pleased to her mine looked normal byt the test she did. Maybe it is just not detecting what is wrong. Maybe I will try the supplements but it just seemed like an awful lot. I hate putting pills (even if it is supplements) in my body. I do not want to do anymore damage to my body. Maybe I will call and talk with her again. I just felt kinda weird because my whole appointment was the testing andthen her telling me what to take. There was not alot of discussion involved....I think I would feel better if I knew WHY I was taking them and how they were going to help me.

Does anyone have any input on the comment regarding the detox foot bath????? How about he fact she does not have me on a multivitamin/mineral while I am doing this.....

Much Love,

Beth

Re: What Next????

Beth,

When you're accustomed to conventional medicine, and most of your medical care being covered by insurance, it takes a huge leap of faith to try alternative medicine . . . It's understandable.

However, let's look at it this way . . . You've been tied to conventional medicine throughout your breast implant experience. Where did it get you? . . . How much have your medical costs cost your insurance company?

The way I see it, you can get better by picking and chosing things we've tried and suggested. There's no guarantee it will save you money, because we can't test you for anything. If you can afford to see a doctor who will put together a program TAILORED TO YOUR NEEDS, so much the better.

You've already learned a lot from your visit . . . What you DON'T have! . . . There's money saved right there! . . .

If you can afford to continue seeing the naturopath - without upsetting your hubby too much, I'd suggest getting the supplements for one month . . . then finding an equivalent if you want . . .

In the long run, you will probably more of what you need by having personal support.

Hugs,

Rogene

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for all the advice. It is just so much - my poor husband is working so hard and I feel like I am spending all of our extra money on trying to get better.....it's depressing

WOW - I did not relize that alot of you had adrenal and thyroid test that came back normal......I thought that msot of the test showed adrenal stress and also hormonal stress. I was very pleased to her mine looked normal byt the test she did. Maybe it is just not detecting what is wrong. Maybe I will try the supplements but it just seemed like an awful lot. I hate putting pills (even if it is supplements) in my body. I do not want to do anymore damage to my body. Maybe I will call and talk with her again. I just felt kinda weird because my whole appointment was the testing andthen her telling me what to take. There was not alot of discussion involved....I think I would feel better if I knew WHY I was taking them and how they were going to help me.

Does anyone have any input on the comment regarding the detox foot bath????? How about he fact she does not have me on a multivitamin/mineral while I am doing this.....

Much Love,

Beth

Re: What Next????

Beth,

When you're accustomed to conventional medicine, and most of your medical care being covered by insurance, it takes a huge leap of faith to try alternative medicine . . . It's understandable.

However, let's look at it this way . . . You've been tied to conventional medicine throughout your breast implant experience. Where did it get you? . . . How much have your medical costs cost your insurance company?

The way I see it, you can get better by picking and chosing things we've tried and suggested. There's no guarantee it will save you money, because we can't test you for anything. If you can afford to see a doctor who will put together a program TAILORED TO YOUR NEEDS, so much the better.

You've already learned a lot from your visit . . . What you DON'T have! . . . There's money saved right there! . . .

If you can afford to continue seeing the naturopath - without upsetting your hubby too much, I'd suggest getting the supplements for one month . . . then finding an equivalent if you want . . .

In the long run, you will probably more of what you need by having personal support.

Hugs,

Rogene

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[Guest guest]

Hi Beth,

I don't have an answer about the foot bath but I know that mine seem

to help me. I even feel sort of crappy for a couple of days after

and then much better. So, I know it is doing something because I

wouldn't feel horrible for two days if I was just putting my feet in

water. I do think it is pulling out toxins.

Once, when I just finished antibiotics, I had a foot bath and the

yeast showed up. I had baths pre antibiotics where no yeast showed.

I am not sure what bath you bought verses the one they use on me at

the spa I go to, but I do think they work. But it pulls both good

and bad.

I feel the same about my hubby. He is getting sick of how much this

costing us too. It is tough, I would love to get another job just to

pay for my holistic health care but I am too damn sick to work two

jobs. I am getting ready to get two mercury fillings removed and a

metal cap removed. It is going to be $900. Something we don't

have. Another thing I will charge. But I want to get better and my

mouth is full of this crappy mercury fillings. Plus, I want to see

an ND but don't have that $$.

Hugs, Lynn

>

> Thanks for all the advice. It is just so much - my poor husband is

working so hard and I feel like I am spending all of our extra money

on trying to get better.....it's depressing

>

>

> WOW - I did not relize that alot of you had adrenal and thyroid

test that came back normal......I thought that msot of the test

showed adrenal stress and also hormonal stress. I was very pleased

to her mine looked normal byt the test she did. Maybe it is just

not detecting what is wrong. Maybe I will try the supplements but it

just seemed like an awful lot. I hate putting pills (even if it is

supplements) in my body. I do not want to do anymore damage to my

body. Maybe I will call and talk with her again. I just felt kinda

weird because my whole appointment was the testing andthen her

telling me what to take. There was not alot of discussion

involved....I think I would feel better if I knew WHY I was taking

them and how they were going to help me.

>

>

> Does anyone have any input on the comment regarding the detox foot

bath????? How about he fact she does not have me on a

multivitamin/mineral while I am doing this.....

>

> Much Love,

> Beth

>

>

> Re: What Next????

>

> Beth,

>

> When you're accustomed to conventional medicine, and most of your

medical care being covered by insurance, it takes a huge leap of

faith to try alternative medicine . . . It's understandable.

>

> However, let's look at it this way . . . You've been tied to

conventional medicine throughout your breast implant experience.

Where did it get you? . . . How much have your medical costs cost

your insurance company?

>

> The way I see it, you can get better by picking and chosing things

we've tried and suggested. There's no guarantee it will save you

money, because we can't test you for anything. If you can afford to

see a doctor who will put together a program TAILORED TO YOUR NEEDS,

so much the better.

>

> You've already learned a lot from your visit . . . What you DON'T

have! . . . There's money saved right there! . . .

>

> If you can afford to continue seeing the naturopath - without

upsetting your hubby too much, I'd suggest getting the supplements

for one month . . . then finding an equivalent if you want . . .

>

> In the long run, you will probably more of what you need by having

personal support.

>

> Hugs,

>

> Rogene

>

>

>

>

______________________________________________________________________

______________

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>

[Guest guest]

Hi Beth,

I don't have an answer about the foot bath but I know that mine seem

to help me. I even feel sort of crappy for a couple of days after

and then much better. So, I know it is doing something because I

wouldn't feel horrible for two days if I was just putting my feet in

water. I do think it is pulling out toxins.

Once, when I just finished antibiotics, I had a foot bath and the

yeast showed up. I had baths pre antibiotics where no yeast showed.

I am not sure what bath you bought verses the one they use on me at

the spa I go to, but I do think they work. But it pulls both good

and bad.

I feel the same about my hubby. He is getting sick of how much this

costing us too. It is tough, I would love to get another job just to

pay for my holistic health care but I am too damn sick to work two

jobs. I am getting ready to get two mercury fillings removed and a

metal cap removed. It is going to be $900. Something we don't

have. Another thing I will charge. But I want to get better and my

mouth is full of this crappy mercury fillings. Plus, I want to see

an ND but don't have that $$.

Hugs, Lynn

>

> Thanks for all the advice. It is just so much - my poor husband is

working so hard and I feel like I am spending all of our extra money

on trying to get better.....it's depressing

>

>

> WOW - I did not relize that alot of you had adrenal and thyroid

test that came back normal......I thought that msot of the test

showed adrenal stress and also hormonal stress. I was very pleased

to her mine looked normal byt the test she did. Maybe it is just

not detecting what is wrong. Maybe I will try the supplements but it

just seemed like an awful lot. I hate putting pills (even if it is

supplements) in my body. I do not want to do anymore damage to my

body. Maybe I will call and talk with her again. I just felt kinda

weird because my whole appointment was the testing andthen her

telling me what to take. There was not alot of discussion

involved....I think I would feel better if I knew WHY I was taking

them and how they were going to help me.

>

>

> Does anyone have any input on the comment regarding the detox foot

bath????? How about he fact she does not have me on a

multivitamin/mineral while I am doing this.....

>

> Much Love,

> Beth

>

>

> Re: What Next????

>

> Beth,

>

> When you're accustomed to conventional medicine, and most of your

medical care being covered by insurance, it takes a huge leap of

faith to try alternative medicine . . . It's understandable.

>

> However, let's look at it this way . . . You've been tied to

conventional medicine throughout your breast implant experience.

Where did it get you? . . . How much have your medical costs cost

your insurance company?

>

> The way I see it, you can get better by picking and chosing things

we've tried and suggested. There's no guarantee it will save you

money, because we can't test you for anything. If you can afford to

see a doctor who will put together a program TAILORED TO YOUR NEEDS,

so much the better.

>

> You've already learned a lot from your visit . . . What you DON'T

have! . . . There's money saved right there! . . .

>

> If you can afford to continue seeing the naturopath - without

upsetting your hubby too much, I'd suggest getting the supplements

for one month . . . then finding an equivalent if you want . . .

>

> In the long run, you will probably more of what you need by having

personal support.

>

> Hugs,

>

> Rogene

>

>

>

>

______________________________________________________________________

______________

> Looking for last minute shopping deals?

> Find them fast with Search.

http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping

>

[Guest guest]

Beth,

I can tell you I had adrenal test, negative, thyroid test, negative, all came back GREAT... Well these issues are not great with me... I share most of the same symptoms you complain of... I was dirt broke and sick... I was blessed to have gotten the implants out, with a friends money by credit card... I went to Dr. Kolb had explant..Bought the top 4 supplements she recommend.. Since she wanted me on around 10 or so.. I just ask her what is the top 4 I should get? She told me I bought them... I stopped all sugar.. I worked on my diet.. I drank only water, when water was awful tasting I added a little lemon juice... I soaked all veggies and fruit in sea salt and lemon juice for 20 minutes... I did the foot bath.. I did a multivitamin (one Dr kolb gave me) I did the mag/calcium/vitamin d Rogene recommended for burning feet.. Brushed teeth in baking soda... Took Epsom salts bath, with peroxide and ginger root in a panty hose sock... I prayed a lot... Did Turkey Rhubarb for IBS.. It worked... Went to CVS Pharmacy got me a bottle of Mucinex $13.00 split on in half morning another half at night... NO MINT and No Aloe.. I was broke barely had money for foods, much less a doctor or any more supplements... A dear lady sent me some B 12 spray for brain fog... I seemed ok in about 6 months.. Then one year post op lots better and now a lot better.. I slip my diet but still manage to be ok... I think the main thing is the Diet, NO Stressing over the sickness ( hardest part not to do) and figuring out what to do and not to do... Taking to much stuff at once and all at once may not be a great option... A Probiotic and an Anti fungal is the first number 1 and 2 we need 3rd is Liver detox milk thistle x, is what i took.... Oh I ate lots of raw garlic (enough to make me sick) and Armour thyroid..

I had a friend that had all the money and went to doctor to doctor and tried to find her remedy to rid her sickness... She had most of the same symptoms as I did, her sickness was from an extremely molded house...She did way to much, in my opinion...She has been on her mission to find this miracle thing going on two years and still running around, SICK>>> So sometimes we just need to sit back and let nature take its course.. Liver detox, anti fungal, probitics and diet... That would be a good calm start.... Then slowly work your way up to other stuff and remedies... Praying does wonders and believing you are healed...Hope this might help...

God Bless,

~Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

[Guest guest]

Beth,

I can tell you I had adrenal test, negative, thyroid test, negative, all came back GREAT... Well these issues are not great with me... I share most of the same symptoms you complain of... I was dirt broke and sick... I was blessed to have gotten the implants out, with a friends money by credit card... I went to Dr. Kolb had explant..Bought the top 4 supplements she recommend.. Since she wanted me on around 10 or so.. I just ask her what is the top 4 I should get? She told me I bought them... I stopped all sugar.. I worked on my diet.. I drank only water, when water was awful tasting I added a little lemon juice... I soaked all veggies and fruit in sea salt and lemon juice for 20 minutes... I did the foot bath.. I did a multivitamin (one Dr kolb gave me) I did the mag/calcium/vitamin d Rogene recommended for burning feet.. Brushed teeth in baking soda... Took Epsom salts bath, with peroxide and ginger root in a panty hose sock... I prayed a lot... Did Turkey Rhubarb for IBS.. It worked... Went to CVS Pharmacy got me a bottle of Mucinex $13.00 split on in half morning another half at night... NO MINT and No Aloe.. I was broke barely had money for foods, much less a doctor or any more supplements... A dear lady sent me some B 12 spray for brain fog... I seemed ok in about 6 months.. Then one year post op lots better and now a lot better.. I slip my diet but still manage to be ok... I think the main thing is the Diet, NO Stressing over the sickness ( hardest part not to do) and figuring out what to do and not to do... Taking to much stuff at once and all at once may not be a great option... A Probiotic and an Anti fungal is the first number 1 and 2 we need 3rd is Liver detox milk thistle x, is what i took.... Oh I ate lots of raw garlic (enough to make me sick) and Armour thyroid..

I had a friend that had all the money and went to doctor to doctor and tried to find her remedy to rid her sickness... She had most of the same symptoms as I did, her sickness was from an extremely molded house...She did way to much, in my opinion...She has been on her mission to find this miracle thing going on two years and still running around, SICK>>> So sometimes we just need to sit back and let nature take its course.. Liver detox, anti fungal, probitics and diet... That would be a good calm start.... Then slowly work your way up to other stuff and remedies... Praying does wonders and believing you are healed...Hope this might help...

God Bless,

~Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

[Guest guest]

Krista,

It pray you and her find answers for healing... My Adrenal and thyroid test came back normal....So did all the test I ever took, which I took so many... You are right, we have bio toxins in our entire body and it is putting havoc on the entire body.. even thyroid and adrenals...The other girl mentioned she is dehydrated... Well if you look in the next pill bottle you open, you will find a packet of silicone in there, which is put in there to keep the pills dry.. That is why we have dry eyes, mouth and dehydration... This will fix itself in some time... It takes a few years to rid most of these symptoms... I know one lady who got explant with Dr. Kolb, she took all the suppliments Dr. Kolb gave her.. Never bought another one, didn't go back to a doctor, she is fine today... Wonderful after waiting two years.. She said, positive thinking... Diet is the reason... Keeping out all toxins is a help... Change to a soap like goats milk...Soak in epsom salt... Put a filter on the shower to keep out of chlorine... Do the foot baths...Do the infra red sauna...Do probiotics... Antifungals... and Raw Garlic... Gargle in Lemon juice or peroxide...Brush teeth in baking soda and peroxide... Soak ears by pouring in peroxide and I find vinagar works as well...Soak all veggies and fruit in lemon juice and salt for 20 minutes prior to eating them, this kills the pesticides....Drink tons of water... I also had a hard time eating all my fruit daily, so I juiced them to make sure I got all the dose of fruit in the day...You can drink say 3 apples, 2 pears and drink 6 carrots and 7 celery sticks in one sitting... I still have my juicer from walmart $30.00 There are cheaper ways to rid things... Time is truly the key here... NO stress is Key...I felt like I had ran from dr to dr for over a year, I found the culprit... GOT them OUT so I was done with doctors myself... I needed tons of doctors, yet none really had my cure... There is none for us.. So SAD... One the other hand taking to much stuff do we really figure out what is working and what is not... I was doing the 10 pills for breakfast, then 6 at lunch and another 10 for dinner and the diet and stressed me out...Good Luck to you all.

~Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

[Guest guest]

Krista,

It pray you and her find answers for healing... My Adrenal and thyroid test came back normal....So did all the test I ever took, which I took so many... You are right, we have bio toxins in our entire body and it is putting havoc on the entire body.. even thyroid and adrenals...The other girl mentioned she is dehydrated... Well if you look in the next pill bottle you open, you will find a packet of silicone in there, which is put in there to keep the pills dry.. That is why we have dry eyes, mouth and dehydration... This will fix itself in some time... It takes a few years to rid most of these symptoms... I know one lady who got explant with Dr. Kolb, she took all the suppliments Dr. Kolb gave her.. Never bought another one, didn't go back to a doctor, she is fine today... Wonderful after waiting two years.. She said, positive thinking... Diet is the reason... Keeping out all toxins is a help... Change to a soap like goats milk...Soak in epsom salt... Put a filter on the shower to keep out of chlorine... Do the foot baths...Do the infra red sauna...Do probiotics... Antifungals... and Raw Garlic... Gargle in Lemon juice or peroxide...Brush teeth in baking soda and peroxide... Soak ears by pouring in peroxide and I find vinagar works as well...Soak all veggies and fruit in lemon juice and salt for 20 minutes prior to eating them, this kills the pesticides....Drink tons of water... I also had a hard time eating all my fruit daily, so I juiced them to make sure I got all the dose of fruit in the day...You can drink say 3 apples, 2 pears and drink 6 carrots and 7 celery sticks in one sitting... I still have my juicer from walmart $30.00 There are cheaper ways to rid things... Time is truly the key here... NO stress is Key...I felt like I had ran from dr to dr for over a year, I found the culprit... GOT them OUT so I was done with doctors myself... I needed tons of doctors, yet none really had my cure... There is none for us.. So SAD... One the other hand taking to much stuff do we really figure out what is working and what is not... I was doing the 10 pills for breakfast, then 6 at lunch and another 10 for dinner and the diet and stressed me out...Good Luck to you all.

~Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

[Guest guest]

Hey Beth,

This sounds like a standard appointment in a naturopath's office.

They will definitely sell you lots of supplements.

I was very selective regarding the supplements I bought from those

doctors, and instead saved money by taking their recommendations and

then going and buying what I thought was good enough. They don't

like that, of course, but they do make alot of money on supplements.

It sounds like you could use some thyroid support based on what was

said, rather than adrenal support.

If your tests came out okay, then I wouldn't push the issue. Healing

is just going to take time, and paying attention to your diet, and

supporting any hormonal deficiencies you may have. Have you had a

proper thyroid test?

Patty

>

> Hi Ladies - I just returned from another appointment with a new ND

> and am totally confused. Here's what happened (as much as I can

> remember)

>

> I had a urine, saliva, and hair test done. I was also hooked up to

a

> few different computer test to see what was going on with my body.

> I will not get the results from the hair sample for a couple of

> weeks but the rest of the test results were available then and

> there. Basically, from what I got out of it was that for the most

> part, everything with me seems to be pretty good. They said my

> adrenals actually look pretty good and my thyroid were off just a

> little. They said my digestive system was pretty messed up (which

I

> knew) and the cellular fluid was a litle sluggish. It also showed

I

> am very dehyrated......

>

> Anyways, I am somewhat relieved that most everything looked good

but

> confused then at some of my symptoms. I have a hard time losing

> weight, I have mild dizziness and memory trouble and my feet

tingle

> constantly. And of course, as most of you know, I have terrible

> digestion problems. However, my ND wanted to put me on about 7

> different supplements that include, probotics, digestive emzymes,

> minerals and antioxidants. She was going to have me taking about 2

> pills of each 3 times a day. So I would have been taking about 15-

> 20 pills a day!!!!! The cost of these few supplements was over

$300

> and she felt that eventually I could start to get off of some of

> them. However, she thought it would be about 3 months before I

> could start to slow down some of the ones for my digestion. She

> said a multivitamin was not for me right now and she was not going

> to give me one. She based this info on a computer machine she

> hooked me too (do not remember the name). I chose not to purchase

> the pills right now and told her i would be in touch. This just

> seems like an awful lot compared to alot of the supplement

> recommendations I have gotten from here. Most of them are so much

> cheaper and seem to do the same thing. I guess my question is,

> couldn't I try to buy some of the supplements and things that have

> been recommended on here (garden of life, standard proccess) to do

> the same thing? Also, if my test show that I do not have adrenal

> problems or much of anything else, I am taking that as a good

> thing...am I right or is there other tests I should have done?

> Just needing some advice before I decide to drop $300 on

supplements

> for a few month supply!!!!

>

> Also, I mentioned the ionic foot bath to her and she asked me if it

> was the kind where you have to replace the rods and I said yes. I

> got the one from Ionic Oasis for $250 and she told me they are

about

> worthless. She said they do not pull much toxins out - the color

> change we see is from the rods. She then said I hope you did not

> put alot of money in it cause it will not do you much good. Any

> comments on this??? She claims they did these type of foot baths

> and then sent them to the labs and they came back with the same

> result, that is was basically just the rods being erroded.....

>

> Thanks for any advice - pleae know this is the " best " ND around my

> area. From what I understand, they have Doctor degrees in

> naturopathy adn also teach it. They have traveled all over the

> world with this and seem to very involved in it. I had no reason

to

> doubt their knowledge, althought I am trying to figure out if they

> are in it more for money due to the pricing. My cost today for the

> first visit, all the test and everything was $360 and then they

> wanted another $300 for supplements. Does this sound about

> right???? I tell ya - my husband may try to kick me to the curb

> after this is all done - we have so much money already in this and

> it is just the beginning......

>

> Much Love,

> Beth

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Beth,

This sounds like a standard appointment in a naturopath's office.

They will definitely sell you lots of supplements.

I was very selective regarding the supplements I bought from those

doctors, and instead saved money by taking their recommendations and

then going and buying what I thought was good enough. They don't

like that, of course, but they do make alot of money on supplements.

It sounds like you could use some thyroid support based on what was

said, rather than adrenal support.

If your tests came out okay, then I wouldn't push the issue. Healing

is just going to take time, and paying attention to your diet, and

supporting any hormonal deficiencies you may have. Have you had a

proper thyroid test?

Patty

>

> Hi Ladies - I just returned from another appointment with a new ND

> and am totally confused. Here's what happened (as much as I can

> remember)

>

> I had a urine, saliva, and hair test done. I was also hooked up to

a

> few different computer test to see what was going on with my body.

> I will not get the results from the hair sample for a couple of

> weeks but the rest of the test results were available then and

> there. Basically, from what I got out of it was that for the most

> part, everything with me seems to be pretty good. They said my

> adrenals actually look pretty good and my thyroid were off just a

> little. They said my digestive system was pretty messed up (which

I

> knew) and the cellular fluid was a litle sluggish. It also showed

I

> am very dehyrated......

>

> Anyways, I am somewhat relieved that most everything looked good

but

> confused then at some of my symptoms. I have a hard time losing

> weight, I have mild dizziness and memory trouble and my feet

tingle

> constantly. And of course, as most of you know, I have terrible

> digestion problems. However, my ND wanted to put me on about 7

> different supplements that include, probotics, digestive emzymes,

> minerals and antioxidants. She was going to have me taking about 2

> pills of each 3 times a day. So I would have been taking about 15-

> 20 pills a day!!!!! The cost of these few supplements was over

$300

> and she felt that eventually I could start to get off of some of

> them. However, she thought it would be about 3 months before I

> could start to slow down some of the ones for my digestion. She

> said a multivitamin was not for me right now and she was not going

> to give me one. She based this info on a computer machine she

> hooked me too (do not remember the name). I chose not to purchase

> the pills right now and told her i would be in touch. This just

> seems like an awful lot compared to alot of the supplement

> recommendations I have gotten from here. Most of them are so much

> cheaper and seem to do the same thing. I guess my question is,

> couldn't I try to buy some of the supplements and things that have

> been recommended on here (garden of life, standard proccess) to do

> the same thing? Also, if my test show that I do not have adrenal

> problems or much of anything else, I am taking that as a good

> thing...am I right or is there other tests I should have done?

> Just needing some advice before I decide to drop $300 on

supplements

> for a few month supply!!!!

>

> Also, I mentioned the ionic foot bath to her and she asked me if it

> was the kind where you have to replace the rods and I said yes. I

> got the one from Ionic Oasis for $250 and she told me they are

about

> worthless. She said they do not pull much toxins out - the color

> change we see is from the rods. She then said I hope you did not

> put alot of money in it cause it will not do you much good. Any

> comments on this??? She claims they did these type of foot baths

> and then sent them to the labs and they came back with the same

> result, that is was basically just the rods being erroded.....

>

> Thanks for any advice - pleae know this is the " best " ND around my

> area. From what I understand, they have Doctor degrees in

> naturopathy adn also teach it. They have traveled all over the

> world with this and seem to very involved in it. I had no reason

to

> doubt their knowledge, althought I am trying to figure out if they

> are in it more for money due to the pricing. My cost today for the

> first visit, all the test and everything was $360 and then they

> wanted another $300 for supplements. Does this sound about

> right???? I tell ya - my husband may try to kick me to the curb

> after this is all done - we have so much money already in this and

> it is just the beginning......

>

> Much Love,

> Beth

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Patty - well I am sorry to have to ask this - maybe I should already know the answer - what is a proper thyroid test??? My doctor did one a few months ago by a blood test and it came back ok. Basically, my main complaints still are my digestion issues, memory issues, dizziness and feet tingling. My knees are starting to ache a little also. My digestive issue were being helped with a cheap supplement given to me by the first ND I went to. However, she "tested" me with that supplement and siad it was no good for me - imagine that. I guess I feel like this is somewhat of a gimmick to get money by changing my supplements. My digestion was getting better with what I was taking although, I did not take one this morning like I usually do because of

these test and I am paying for it now. I am in so much discomfort tonight and have been running to the bathroom every 30 mins or so...... It has just been a very stressful day. I want to get better but I do not want to go broke doing it. I just feel that there has to be a way to detox and heal without paying $300/month for supplements alone. I also was concerned about her comment on the foot baths. I just spent $250 on one of those for her to tell me it isnot going to help me alot......

I am jsut very frustrated. I know I am not going to heal overnight and do not expect to but I also do not expect to be told 2 different things by 2 ND's and feel like the one with more experience in the field is taking more advantage of the money. I honestly feel like listening to you all who have been through it an know what helps is the best route, although I know everyone is different so what works for one will not always work for everyone. I am jsut a little let down today I guess - I am sure tomorrowwill be better

Much Love,

Beth

Re: What Next????

Hey Beth,This sounds like a standard appointment in a naturopath's office. They will definitely sell you lots of supplements.I was very selective regarding the supplements I bought from those doctors, and instead saved money by taking their recommendations and then going and buying what I thought was good enough. They don't like that, of course, but they do make alot of money on supplements.It sounds like you could use some thyroid support based on what was said, rather than adrenal support.If your tests came out okay, then I wouldn't push the issue. Healing is just going to take time, and paying attention to your diet, and supporting any hormonal deficiencies you may have. Have you had a proper thyroid test?Patty>> Hi Ladies - I just returned from another appointment with a new ND > and am totally confused. Here's what happened (as much as I can > remember)> > I had a urine, saliva, and hair test done. I was also hooked up to a > few different computer test to see what was going on with my body. > I will not get the results from the hair sample for a couple of > weeks but the rest of the test results were available then and > there. Basically, from what I got out of it was that for the most > part, everything with me seems to be pretty good. They said my > adrenals actually look pretty good and my thyroid were off just a > little. They said my digestive system was pretty messed up (which I > knew) and the cellular fluid was a litle sluggish. It also showed I > am very dehyrated...

....> > Anyways, I am somewhat relieved that most everything looked good but > confused then at some of my symptoms. I have a hard time losing > weight, I have mild dizziness and memory trouble and my feet tingle > constantly. And of course, as most of you know, I have terrible > digestion problems. However, my ND wanted to put me on about 7 > different supplements that include, probotics, digestive emzymes, > minerals and antioxidants. She was going to have me taking about 2 > pills of each 3 times a day. So I would have been taking about 15-> 20 pills a day!!!!! The cost of these few supplements was over $300 > and she felt that eventually I could start to get off of some of > them. However, she thought it would be about 3 months before I > could start to slow down some of the ones for my digestion. She > said a multivitamin was not for me

right now and she was not going > to give me one. She based this info on a computer machine she > hooked me too (do not remember the name). I chose not to purchase > the pills right now and told her i would be in touch. This just > seems like an awful lot compared to alot of the supplement > recommendations I have gotten from here. Most of them are so much > cheaper and seem to do the same thing. I guess my question is, > couldn't I try to buy some of the supplements and things that have > been recommended on here (garden of life, standard proccess) to do > the same thing? Also, if my test show that I do not have adrenal > problems or much of anything else, I am taking that as a good > thing...am I right or is there other tests I should have done? > Just needing some advice before I decide to drop $300 on supplements > for a few month supply!!!!>

> Also, I mentioned the ionic foot bath to her and she asked me if it > was the kind where you have to replace the rods and I said yes. I > got the one from Ionic Oasis for $250 and she told me they are about > worthless. She said they do not pull much toxins out - the color > change we see is from the rods. She then said I hope you did not > put alot of money in it cause it will not do you much good. Any > comments on this??? She claims they did these type of foot baths > and then sent them to the labs and they came back with the same > result, that is was basically just the rods being erroded.....> > Thanks for any advice - pleae know this is the "best" ND around my > area. From what I understand, they have Doctor degrees in > naturopathy adn also teach it. They have traveled all over the > world with this and seem to very involved in it. I had no

reason to > doubt their knowledge, althought I am trying to figure out if they > are in it more for money due to the pricing. My cost today for the > first visit, all the test and everything was $360 and then they > wanted another $300 for supplements. Does this sound about > right???? I tell ya - my husband may try to kick me to the curb > after this is all done - we have so much money already in this and > it is just the beginning... ...> > Much Love,> Beth>

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Hi Patty - well I am sorry to have to ask this - maybe I should already know the answer - what is a proper thyroid test??? My doctor did one a few months ago by a blood test and it came back ok. Basically, my main complaints still are my digestion issues, memory issues, dizziness and feet tingling. My knees are starting to ache a little also. My digestive issue were being helped with a cheap supplement given to me by the first ND I went to. However, she "tested" me with that supplement and siad it was no good for me - imagine that. I guess I feel like this is somewhat of a gimmick to get money by changing my supplements. My digestion was getting better with what I was taking although, I did not take one this morning like I usually do because of

these test and I am paying for it now. I am in so much discomfort tonight and have been running to the bathroom every 30 mins or so...... It has just been a very stressful day. I want to get better but I do not want to go broke doing it. I just feel that there has to be a way to detox and heal without paying $300/month for supplements alone. I also was concerned about her comment on the foot baths. I just spent $250 on one of those for her to tell me it isnot going to help me alot......

I am jsut very frustrated. I know I am not going to heal overnight and do not expect to but I also do not expect to be told 2 different things by 2 ND's and feel like the one with more experience in the field is taking more advantage of the money. I honestly feel like listening to you all who have been through it an know what helps is the best route, although I know everyone is different so what works for one will not always work for everyone. I am jsut a little let down today I guess - I am sure tomorrowwill be better

Much Love,

Beth

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Hey Beth,This sounds like a standard appointment in a naturopath's office. They will definitely sell you lots of supplements.I was very selective regarding the supplements I bought from those doctors, and instead saved money by taking their recommendations and then going and buying what I thought was good enough. They don't like that, of course, but they do make alot of money on supplements.It sounds like you could use some thyroid support based on what was said, rather than adrenal support.If your tests came out okay, then I wouldn't push the issue. Healing is just going to take time, and paying attention to your diet, and supporting any hormonal deficiencies you may have. Have you had a proper thyroid test?Patty>> Hi Ladies - I just returned from another appointment with a new ND > and am totally confused. Here's what happened (as much as I can > remember)> > I had a urine, saliva, and hair test done. I was also hooked up to a > few different computer test to see what was going on with my body. > I will not get the results from the hair sample for a couple of > weeks but the rest of the test results were available then and > there. Basically, from what I got out of it was that for the most > part, everything with me seems to be pretty good. They said my > adrenals actually look pretty good and my thyroid were off just a > little. They said my digestive system was pretty messed up (which I > knew) and the cellular fluid was a litle sluggish. It also showed I > am very dehyrated...

....> > Anyways, I am somewhat relieved that most everything looked good but > confused then at some of my symptoms. I have a hard time losing > weight, I have mild dizziness and memory trouble and my feet tingle > constantly. And of course, as most of you know, I have terrible > digestion problems. However, my ND wanted to put me on about 7 > different supplements that include, probotics, digestive emzymes, > minerals and antioxidants. She was going to have me taking about 2 > pills of each 3 times a day. So I would have been taking about 15-> 20 pills a day!!!!! The cost of these few supplements was over $300 > and she felt that eventually I could start to get off of some of > them. However, she thought it would be about 3 months before I > could start to slow down some of the ones for my digestion. She > said a multivitamin was not for me

right now and she was not going > to give me one. She based this info on a computer machine she > hooked me too (do not remember the name). I chose not to purchase > the pills right now and told her i would be in touch. This just > seems like an awful lot compared to alot of the supplement > recommendations I have gotten from here. Most of them are so much > cheaper and seem to do the same thing. I guess my question is, > couldn't I try to buy some of the supplements and things that have > been recommended on here (garden of life, standard proccess) to do > the same thing? Also, if my test show that I do not have adrenal > problems or much of anything else, I am taking that as a good > thing...am I right or is there other tests I should have done? > Just needing some advice before I decide to drop $300 on supplements > for a few month supply!!!!>

> Also, I mentioned the ionic foot bath to her and she asked me if it > was the kind where you have to replace the rods and I said yes. I > got the one from Ionic Oasis for $250 and she told me they are about > worthless. She said they do not pull much toxins out - the color > change we see is from the rods. She then said I hope you did not > put alot of money in it cause it will not do you much good. Any > comments on this??? She claims they did these type of foot baths > and then sent them to the labs and they came back with the same > result, that is was basically just the rods being erroded.....> > Thanks for any advice - pleae know this is the "best" ND around my > area. From what I understand, they have Doctor degrees in > naturopathy adn also teach it. They have traveled all over the > world with this and seem to very involved in it. I had no

reason to > doubt their knowledge, althought I am trying to figure out if they > are in it more for money due to the pricing. My cost today for the > first visit, all the test and everything was $360 and then they > wanted another $300 for supplements. Does this sound about > right???? I tell ya - my husband may try to kick me to the curb > after this is all done - we have so much money already in this and > it is just the beginning... ...> > Much Love,> Beth>

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Thanks Marie - I am just thinking if I can get my tummy straighten out, I would be doing pretty good. Although, sine my appointment yesterday, my right arm HURTS so bad. Like the muscles and stuff. I have no idea why. My wrist hurt, my inner thighs on my legs hurt.....any idea what is going on????

Beth

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Beth,

I can tell you I had adrenal test, negative, thyroid test, negative, all came back GREAT... Well these issues are not great with me... I share most of the same symptoms you complain of... I was dirt broke and sick... I was blessed to have gotten the implants out, with a friends money by credit card... I went to Dr. Kolb had explant..Bought the top 4 supplements she recommend.. Since she wanted me on around 10 or so.. I just ask her what is the top 4 I should get? She told me I bought them... I stopped all sugar.. I worked on my diet.. I drank only water, when water was awful tasting I added a little lemon juice... I soaked all veggies and fruit in sea salt and lemon juice for 20 minutes... I did the foot bath.. I did a multivitamin (one Dr kolb gave me) I did the mag/calcium/ vitamin d Rogene recommended for burning feet.. Brushed teeth in baking soda... Took Epsom salts bath, with peroxide and ginger root in a panty

hose sock... I prayed a lot... Did Turkey Rhubarb for IBS.. It worked... Went to CVS Pharmacy got me a bottle of Mucinex $13.00 split on in half morning another half at night... NO MINT and No Aloe.. I was broke barely had money for foods, much less a doctor or any more supplements. .. A dear lady sent me some B 12 spray for brain fog... I seemed ok in about 6 months.. Then one year post op lots better and now a lot better.. I slip my diet but still manage to be ok... I think the main thing is the Diet, NO Stressing over the sickness ( hardest part not to do) and figuring out what to do and not to do... Taking to much stuff at once and all at once may not be a great option... A Probiotic and an Anti fungal is the first number 1 and 2 we need 3rd is Liver detox milk thistle x, is what i took.... Oh I ate lots of raw garlic (enough to make me sick) and Armour thyroid..

I had a friend that had all the money and went to doctor to doctor and tried to find her remedy to rid her sickness... She had most of the same symptoms as I did, her sickness was from an extremely molded house...She did way to much, in my opinion...She has been on her mission to find this miracle thing going on two years and still running around, SICK>>> So sometimes we just need to sit back and let nature take its course.. Liver detox, anti fungal, probitics and diet... That would be a good calm start.... Then slowly work your way up to other stuff and remedies... Praying does wonders and believing you are healed...Hope this might help...

God Bless,

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Thanks Marie - I am just thinking if I can get my tummy straighten out, I would be doing pretty good. Although, sine my appointment yesterday, my right arm HURTS so bad. Like the muscles and stuff. I have no idea why. My wrist hurt, my inner thighs on my legs hurt.....any idea what is going on????

Beth

Re: What Next????

Beth,

I can tell you I had adrenal test, negative, thyroid test, negative, all came back GREAT... Well these issues are not great with me... I share most of the same symptoms you complain of... I was dirt broke and sick... I was blessed to have gotten the implants out, with a friends money by credit card... I went to Dr. Kolb had explant..Bought the top 4 supplements she recommend.. Since she wanted me on around 10 or so.. I just ask her what is the top 4 I should get? She told me I bought them... I stopped all sugar.. I worked on my diet.. I drank only water, when water was awful tasting I added a little lemon juice... I soaked all veggies and fruit in sea salt and lemon juice for 20 minutes... I did the foot bath.. I did a multivitamin (one Dr kolb gave me) I did the mag/calcium/ vitamin d Rogene recommended for burning feet.. Brushed teeth in baking soda... Took Epsom salts bath, with peroxide and ginger root in a panty

hose sock... I prayed a lot... Did Turkey Rhubarb for IBS.. It worked... Went to CVS Pharmacy got me a bottle of Mucinex $13.00 split on in half morning another half at night... NO MINT and No Aloe.. I was broke barely had money for foods, much less a doctor or any more supplements. .. A dear lady sent me some B 12 spray for brain fog... I seemed ok in about 6 months.. Then one year post op lots better and now a lot better.. I slip my diet but still manage to be ok... I think the main thing is the Diet, NO Stressing over the sickness ( hardest part not to do) and figuring out what to do and not to do... Taking to much stuff at once and all at once may not be a great option... A Probiotic and an Anti fungal is the first number 1 and 2 we need 3rd is Liver detox milk thistle x, is what i took.... Oh I ate lots of raw garlic (enough to make me sick) and Armour thyroid..

I had a friend that had all the money and went to doctor to doctor and tried to find her remedy to rid her sickness... She had most of the same symptoms as I did, her sickness was from an extremely molded house...She did way to much, in my opinion...She has been on her mission to find this miracle thing going on two years and still running around, SICK>>> So sometimes we just need to sit back and let nature take its course.. Liver detox, anti fungal, probitics and diet... That would be a good calm start.... Then slowly work your way up to other stuff and remedies... Praying does wonders and believing you are healed...Hope this might help...

God Bless,

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Beth,

You haven't done anything unusual I assume? . . . It sounds like you may have done something to strain those muscles.

Did she draw blood from that arm?

Have you taken anything different?

Stopped anything you were taking?

We need Detective Dede to pay you a call!

Hugs,

Rogene

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Beth ~

What kind of thyroid and adrenal

tests did you have? What are the

results of them and what are the

"normals" of those tests suposed

to be?

Write the numbers out for me, ok??

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Beth ~

I will be interested in what your

numbers are.

For some reason, I have a funny

feeling about this ND you saw. I

cant pinpoint it, and not sure why,

but I do. When you have the results,

let me know what they are. I still think

you are having some thyroid/adrenal

compromise.....

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Beth ~

I will be interested in what your

numbers are.

For some reason, I have a funny

feeling about this ND you saw. I

cant pinpoint it, and not sure why,

but I do. When you have the results,

let me know what they are. I still think

you are having some thyroid/adrenal

compromise.....

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No I do not think I did anything unusual. They are feeling a little better today - although they still hurt. The only thinkg i did was miss my morning dose of supplements (which I am paying for with my digestion) and at the ND's they did some test that she said is sending electricity through me to test my organs and stuff. Idid not know id it could be from that or not.....

Yesterday was just a tough day all around - today is a little better - I jsut wish my digestion would straighten up......

Much Love,

Beth

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Beth,

You haven't done anything unusual I assume? . . . It sounds like you may have done something to strain those muscles.

Did she draw blood from that arm?

Have you taken anything different?

Stopped anything you were taking?

We need Detective Dede to pay you a call!

Hugs,

Rogene

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