Re: Fast Track Paramedic Course

February 22, 2005

IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE FOR A COURSE IN THE EAST TEXAS AREA, A GOOD PLACE TO

START IS WITH GOLDSTAR EMS. I THINK THEY OFFER A COURSE THAT IS ABOUT 9 MONTHS

LONG OR SO. i AM NOT 100 PERCENT SURE BUT IT IS A PLACE TO START.

February 22, 2005

> I THINK THEY OFFER A COURSE THAT IS ABOUT 9 MONTHS LONG OR SO.

I am thinking that a definition of " fast track " is in order here. For

me, 9 months sounds about five months too long.

Rob

February 22, 2005

> I THINK THEY OFFER A COURSE THAT IS ABOUT 9 MONTHS LONG OR SO.

I am thinking that a definition of " fast track " is in order here. For

me, 9 months sounds about five months too long.

Rob

February 22, 2005

> I THINK THEY OFFER A COURSE THAT IS ABOUT 9 MONTHS LONG OR SO.

I am thinking that a definition of " fast track " is in order here. For

me, 9 months sounds about five months too long.

Rob

February 22, 2005

You want to be a paramedic in 4 months? How much do expect to retain? How

many skills can you master in 4 months?

Perhaps you can CLEP out of all the didactic...

BEB

E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP

Midlothian, TX

Don't miss EMStock 2005 (http://www.EMStock.com)

Re: Fast Track Paramedic Course

> I THINK THEY OFFER A COURSE THAT IS ABOUT 9 MONTHS LONG OR SO.

I am thinking that a definition of " fast track " is in order here. For me, 9

months sounds about five months too long.

Rob

February 22, 2005

You want to be a paramedic in 4 months? How much do expect to retain? How

many skills can you master in 4 months?

Perhaps you can CLEP out of all the didactic...

BEB

E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP

Midlothian, TX

Don't miss EMStock 2005 (http://www.EMStock.com)

Re: Fast Track Paramedic Course

> I THINK THEY OFFER A COURSE THAT IS ABOUT 9 MONTHS LONG OR SO.

I am thinking that a definition of " fast track " is in order here. For me, 9

months sounds about five months too long.

Rob

February 22, 2005

You want to be a paramedic in 4 months? How much do expect to retain? How

many skills can you master in 4 months?

Perhaps you can CLEP out of all the didactic...

BEB

E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP

Midlothian, TX

Don't miss EMStock 2005 (http://www.EMStock.com)

Re: Fast Track Paramedic Course

> I THINK THEY OFFER A COURSE THAT IS ABOUT 9 MONTHS LONG OR SO.

I am thinking that a definition of " fast track " is in order here. For me, 9

months sounds about five months too long.

Rob

February 22, 2005

You want almost 40 hours a week for 4 months? You go man!

Alan Baker

College EMSP

Office:

E-mail: alan.baker@...

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From: dustdevil31

Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 8:43 PM

To:

Subject: Re: Fast Track Paramedic Course

> I THINK THEY OFFER A COURSE THAT IS ABOUT 9 MONTHS LONG OR SO.

I am thinking that a definition of " fast track " is in order here. For

me, 9 months sounds about five months too long.

Rob

________________________________

February 22, 2005

You want almost 40 hours a week for 4 months? You go man!

Alan Baker

College EMSP

Office:

E-mail: alan.baker@...

________________________________

From: dustdevil31

Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 8:43 PM

To:

Subject: Re: Fast Track Paramedic Course

> I THINK THEY OFFER A COURSE THAT IS ABOUT 9 MONTHS LONG OR SO.

I am thinking that a definition of " fast track " is in order here. For

me, 9 months sounds about five months too long.

Rob

________________________________

February 22, 2005

You want almost 40 hours a week for 4 months? You go man!

Alan Baker

College EMSP

Office:

E-mail: alan.baker@...

________________________________

From: dustdevil31

Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 8:43 PM

To:

Subject: Re: Fast Track Paramedic Course

> I THINK THEY OFFER A COURSE THAT IS ABOUT 9 MONTHS LONG OR SO.

I am thinking that a definition of " fast track " is in order here. For

me, 9 months sounds about five months too long.

Rob

________________________________

February 22, 2005

This is why paramedics still make $10 an hour. Where are the " we can do the

same thing as nurses " people when this sort of thinking comes up?

BB

E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP

Midlothian, TX

Don't miss EMStock 2005 (http://www.EMStock.com)

Fast Track Paramedic Course

it takes 1-3 years to become a licensed plumber (based on an exhaustive

askjeeves.com search), yet we have folks who want to graduate as

professionals in EMS in 4 months.

Am I the only one that thinks this is upside down?

Nile

February 22, 2005

No. I'm with you Niles. A plumber should not take that long.

(... previous comments filled with a.s.s. ( all sorts of sarcasms))

Alan Baker

College EMSP

Office:

E-mail: alan.baker@...

Fast Track Paramedic Course

it takes 1-3 years to become a licensed plumber (based on an exhaustive

askjeeves.com search), yet we have folks who want to graduate as

professionals in EMS in 4 months.

Am I the only one that thinks this is upside down?

Nile

February 22, 2005

No. I'm with you Niles. A plumber should not take that long.

(... previous comments filled with a.s.s. ( all sorts of sarcasms))

Alan Baker

College EMSP

Office:

E-mail: alan.baker@...

Fast Track Paramedic Course

it takes 1-3 years to become a licensed plumber (based on an exhaustive

askjeeves.com search), yet we have folks who want to graduate as

professionals in EMS in 4 months.

Am I the only one that thinks this is upside down?

Nile

February 22, 2005

No. I'm with you Niles. A plumber should not take that long.

(... previous comments filled with a.s.s. ( all sorts of sarcasms))

Alan Baker

College EMSP

Office:

E-mail: alan.baker@...

Fast Track Paramedic Course

it takes 1-3 years to become a licensed plumber (based on an exhaustive

askjeeves.com search), yet we have folks who want to graduate as

professionals in EMS in 4 months.

Am I the only one that thinks this is upside down?

Nile

February 22, 2005

I guess the post I am waiting for is:

Where can I find a quality program that will put the time and effort into my

education to make me a safe good clinician and lifetime learner when I

graduate?

Nile

February 22, 2005

I guess the post I am waiting for is:

Where can I find a quality program that will put the time and effort into my

education to make me a safe good clinician and lifetime learner when I

graduate?

Nile

February 22, 2005

I guess the post I am waiting for is:

Where can I find a quality program that will put the time and effort into my

education to make me a safe good clinician and lifetime learner when I

graduate?

Nile

February 22, 2005

If becoming a paramedic required at bare minimum an associates degree

like the nursing profession, we wouldn't be talking about this.

-aro

> This is why paramedics still make $10 an hour. Where are the " we can

do the

> same thing as nurses " people when this sort of thinking comes up?

>

> BB

>

> E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP

> Midlothian, TX

>

> Don't miss EMStock 2005 (http://www.EMStock.com)

>

> Fast Track Paramedic Course

>

> it takes 1-3 years to become a licensed plumber (based on an exhaustive

> askjeeves.com search), yet we have folks who want to graduate as

> professionals in EMS in 4 months.

>

> Am I the only one that thinks this is upside down?

>

> Nile

>

February 22, 2005

If becoming a paramedic required at bare minimum an associates degree

like the nursing profession, we wouldn't be talking about this.

-aro

> This is why paramedics still make $10 an hour. Where are the " we can

do the

> same thing as nurses " people when this sort of thinking comes up?

>

> BB

>

> E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP

> Midlothian, TX

>

> Don't miss EMStock 2005 (http://www.EMStock.com)

>

> Fast Track Paramedic Course

>

> it takes 1-3 years to become a licensed plumber (based on an exhaustive

> askjeeves.com search), yet we have folks who want to graduate as

> professionals in EMS in 4 months.

>

> Am I the only one that thinks this is upside down?

>

> Nile

>

February 22, 2005

If becoming a paramedic required at bare minimum an associates degree

like the nursing profession, we wouldn't be talking about this.

-aro

> This is why paramedics still make $10 an hour. Where are the " we can

do the

> same thing as nurses " people when this sort of thinking comes up?

>

> BB

>

> E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP

> Midlothian, TX

>

> Don't miss EMStock 2005 (http://www.EMStock.com)

>

> Fast Track Paramedic Course

>

> it takes 1-3 years to become a licensed plumber (based on an exhaustive

> askjeeves.com search), yet we have folks who want to graduate as

> professionals in EMS in 4 months.

>

> Am I the only one that thinks this is upside down?

>

> Nile

>

February 23, 2005

I heard a lecture last week about Critical Thinking. He said that at about

the eighteen minute mark you lose the student's attention, anything after that

is not retained if you don't have the students get up, move or do some sort of

activity. Now fast track that with what we are trying to cover in a regular

semester.

Barry Meffert

Still learning!

In a message dated 2/22/2005 11:53:04 PM Central Standard Time,

bcr455@... writes:

" people remember 90 percent of what they do, 75 percent of what they see, and

20 percent of what they hear. " So lets put this to test on a paramedic that

attended 4 months of classes, clinicals, and skills practice. I am for the

student that spent atleast 9-12 months classes, clinicals and skills practice.

They probably retained more than a 4 month student.

February 23, 2005

I heard a lecture last week about Critical Thinking. He said that at about

the eighteen minute mark you lose the student's attention, anything after that

is not retained if you don't have the students get up, move or do some sort of

activity. Now fast track that with what we are trying to cover in a regular

semester.

Barry Meffert

Still learning!

In a message dated 2/22/2005 11:53:04 PM Central Standard Time,

bcr455@... writes:

" people remember 90 percent of what they do, 75 percent of what they see, and

20 percent of what they hear. " So lets put this to test on a paramedic that

attended 4 months of classes, clinicals, and skills practice. I am for the

student that spent atleast 9-12 months classes, clinicals and skills practice.

They probably retained more than a 4 month student.

February 23, 2005

I heard a lecture last week about Critical Thinking. He said that at about

the eighteen minute mark you lose the student's attention, anything after that

is not retained if you don't have the students get up, move or do some sort of

activity. Now fast track that with what we are trying to cover in a regular

semester.

Barry Meffert

Still learning!

In a message dated 2/22/2005 11:53:04 PM Central Standard Time,

bcr455@... writes:

" people remember 90 percent of what they do, 75 percent of what they see, and

20 percent of what they hear. " So lets put this to test on a paramedic that

attended 4 months of classes, clinicals, and skills practice. I am for the

student that spent atleast 9-12 months classes, clinicals and skills practice.

They probably retained more than a 4 month student.

February 23, 2005

That is exactly why the EMS profession is underpaid and overworked.

You can't teach the curriculum that is required by the DOT in 4

months and actually expect someone to retain any of what they are

taught. That has been my gripe for years... People wanting to rush

through the course and then expect to be able to roll in the dough.

Even the health departments 600 or 700 hours minimum requirement is

pushing the limits. This is a profession, but until we have people

that are willing to put in the time and education that it takes to

be a good well educated medic we will continue to make 6 or 7

dollars an hour and be abused while we do it.

Most, not all, medics who go through a fast track program are medics

who know that you give a brown box and purple box of medicine during

a code, but dont know the reasons for the meds and the results they

have and the reasons why those meds work.

Without our own people having high standards and integrity the

profession as a whole suffers. If everyone had a solid education,

even a degree, we could go to employers and force thier hand and

make them pay higher wages and get better benefits. This would stop

a ton of the threads we have on this list about pay and getting paid

the entire 24 hours and good benefits. The private companies are

making a killings running an EMS service, beleive me I know this

first hand, and who gets the benefits???? NOT YOU!

Sorry... Putting my soap box away!

Chris

> This is why paramedics still make $10 an hour. Where are the " we

can do the

> same thing as nurses " people when this sort of thinking comes up?

>

> BB

>

> E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP

> Midlothian, TX

>

> Don't miss EMStock 2005 (http://www.EMStock.com)

February 23, 2005