Re: Fast Track Paramedic Course

[Guest guest]

That is exactly why the EMS profession is underpaid and overworked.

You can't teach the curriculum that is required by the DOT in 4

months and actually expect someone to retain any of what they are

taught. That has been my gripe for years... People wanting to rush

through the course and then expect to be able to roll in the dough.

Even the health departments 600 or 700 hours minimum requirement is

pushing the limits. This is a profession, but until we have people

that are willing to put in the time and education that it takes to

be a good well educated medic we will continue to make 6 or 7

dollars an hour and be abused while we do it.

Most, not all, medics who go through a fast track program are medics

who know that you give a brown box and purple box of medicine during

a code, but dont know the reasons for the meds and the results they

have and the reasons why those meds work.

Without our own people having high standards and integrity the

profession as a whole suffers. If everyone had a solid education,

even a degree, we could go to employers and force thier hand and

make them pay higher wages and get better benefits. This would stop

a ton of the threads we have on this list about pay and getting paid

the entire 24 hours and good benefits. The private companies are

making a killings running an EMS service, beleive me I know this

first hand, and who gets the benefits???? NOT YOU!

Sorry... Putting my soap box away!

Chris

> This is why paramedics still make $10 an hour. Where are the " we

can do the

> same thing as nurses " people when this sort of thinking comes up?

>

> BB

>

>

> E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP

> Midlothian, TX

>

> Don't miss EMStock 2005 (http://www.EMStock.com)

[Guest guest]

Nile

We have a good program here at Northeast Texas Community College in Mt.

Pleasant. We have restructured the EMT-P program to a 12 month course.

The student must be certified as an EMT, enrollment follows a

traditional college semester, (ex. Student begins in August

2005...Spring 2006...Summer 2006 I & II, student graduates in July

2006). Please feel free to contact me off list at ltarrant@... or

at x559

Lonnie Tarrant LP AAS

Instructor

Northeast Texas Community College

Re: Fast Track Paramedic Course

I guess the post I am waiting for is:

Where can I find a quality program that will put the time and effort

into my

education to make me a safe good clinician and lifetime learner when I

graduate?

Nile

[Guest guest]

>

> If becoming a paramedic required at bare minimum an associates

degree

> like the nursing profession, we wouldn't be talking about this.

>

> -aro

>

I agree, most of us would be nurses and on a diffent web

site.......but I do agree that we must raise the standard.

K

[Guest guest]

>

> If becoming a paramedic required at bare minimum an associates

degree

> like the nursing profession, we wouldn't be talking about this.

>

> -aro

>

I agree, most of us would be nurses and on a diffent web

site.......but I do agree that we must raise the standard.

K

[Guest guest]

>

> If becoming a paramedic required at bare minimum an associates

degree

> like the nursing profession, we wouldn't be talking about this.

>

> -aro

>

I agree, most of us would be nurses and on a diffent web

site.......but I do agree that we must raise the standard.

K

[Guest guest]

" Alfonso R. Ochoa " <asclapius@a...> wrote:

>

> If becoming a paramedic required at bare minimum an associates degree

> like the nursing profession, we wouldn't be talking about this.

Not necessarily. EMT-Paramedic, hour for hour, is longer than nursing

school. The only difference is that colleges drag the calendar out

longer for nursing school.

Rob

[Guest guest]

" Alfonso R. Ochoa " <asclapius@a...> wrote:

>

> If becoming a paramedic required at bare minimum an associates degree

> like the nursing profession, we wouldn't be talking about this.

Not necessarily. EMT-Paramedic, hour for hour, is longer than nursing

school. The only difference is that colleges drag the calendar out

longer for nursing school.

Rob

[Guest guest]

" Alfonso R. Ochoa " <asclapius@a...> wrote:

>

> If becoming a paramedic required at bare minimum an associates degree

> like the nursing profession, we wouldn't be talking about this.

Not necessarily. EMT-Paramedic, hour for hour, is longer than nursing

school. The only difference is that colleges drag the calendar out

longer for nursing school.

Rob

[Guest guest]

Out there doing the same things as nurses and not bothering with this

list, I'd bet.

I work in drug research - alongside nurses. We do the SAME job, the

SAME way, with the SAME patients. I can proudly say that I'm one

of the few paramedics in the state who have given patients drugs not

yet approved for market - not for personal pride, but for professional

pride. More and more, paramedics are being seen as medical

professionals, regardless of how long their nursing school took.

FWIW, I could graduate from Excelsior College's nursing program in less

than three months if I applied myself and took the tests in rapid

fashion. It's not the time - it's the knowledge.

Mike

>

> This is why paramedics still make $10 an hour. Where are the " we can

> do the

> same thing as nurses " people when this sort of thinking comes up?

>

> BB

>

>

> E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP

> Midlothian, TX

>

> Don't miss EMStock 2005 (http://www.EMStock.com)

>

> Fast Track Paramedic Course

>

>

> it takes 1-3 years to become a licensed plumber (based on an

> exhaustive

> askjeeves.com search), yet we have folks who want to graduate as

> professionals in EMS in 4 months.

>

> Am I the only one that thinks this is upside down?

>

> Nile

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Out there doing the same things as nurses and not bothering with this

list, I'd bet.

I work in drug research - alongside nurses. We do the SAME job, the

SAME way, with the SAME patients. I can proudly say that I'm one

of the few paramedics in the state who have given patients drugs not

yet approved for market - not for personal pride, but for professional

pride. More and more, paramedics are being seen as medical

professionals, regardless of how long their nursing school took.

FWIW, I could graduate from Excelsior College's nursing program in less

than three months if I applied myself and took the tests in rapid

fashion. It's not the time - it's the knowledge.

Mike

>

> This is why paramedics still make $10 an hour. Where are the " we can

> do the

> same thing as nurses " people when this sort of thinking comes up?

>

> BB

>

>

> E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP

> Midlothian, TX

>

> Don't miss EMStock 2005 (http://www.EMStock.com)

>

> Fast Track Paramedic Course

>

>

> it takes 1-3 years to become a licensed plumber (based on an

> exhaustive

> askjeeves.com search), yet we have folks who want to graduate as

> professionals in EMS in 4 months.

>

> Am I the only one that thinks this is upside down?

>

> Nile

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Out there doing the same things as nurses and not bothering with this

list, I'd bet.

I work in drug research - alongside nurses. We do the SAME job, the

SAME way, with the SAME patients. I can proudly say that I'm one

of the few paramedics in the state who have given patients drugs not

yet approved for market - not for personal pride, but for professional

pride. More and more, paramedics are being seen as medical

professionals, regardless of how long their nursing school took.

FWIW, I could graduate from Excelsior College's nursing program in less

than three months if I applied myself and took the tests in rapid

fashion. It's not the time - it's the knowledge.

Mike

>

> This is why paramedics still make $10 an hour. Where are the " we can

> do the

> same thing as nurses " people when this sort of thinking comes up?

>

> BB

>

>

> E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP

> Midlothian, TX

>

> Don't miss EMStock 2005 (http://www.EMStock.com)

>

> Fast Track Paramedic Course

>

>

> it takes 1-3 years to become a licensed plumber (based on an

> exhaustive

> askjeeves.com search), yet we have folks who want to graduate as

> professionals in EMS in 4 months.

>

> Am I the only one that thinks this is upside down?

>

> Nile

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Most, not all, medics who go through a fast track program are medics

> who know that you give a brown box and purple box of medicine during

> a code, but dont know the reasons for the meds and the results they

> have and the reasons why those meds work.

>

So take that up with NR. If the test were harder, educators would have

to educate more, and students would have to learn more. Raise the bar

on the test - that's where we control " how much " goes into an EMS

program.

Mike

[Guest guest]

> Most, not all, medics who go through a fast track program are medics

> who know that you give a brown box and purple box of medicine during

> a code, but dont know the reasons for the meds and the results they

> have and the reasons why those meds work.

>

So take that up with NR. If the test were harder, educators would have

to educate more, and students would have to learn more. Raise the bar

on the test - that's where we control " how much " goes into an EMS

program.

Mike

[Guest guest]

> Most, not all, medics who go through a fast track program are medics

> who know that you give a brown box and purple box of medicine during

> a code, but dont know the reasons for the meds and the results they

> have and the reasons why those meds work.

>

So take that up with NR. If the test were harder, educators would have

to educate more, and students would have to learn more. Raise the bar

on the test - that's where we control " how much " goes into an EMS

program.

Mike

[Guest guest]

There used to be one in Houston, I don't remember who ran it - but it

was a small class size with lots of focused attention on the student.

Ask around, I'm sure someone here knows the name of the guy who did it

- he did CE as well...

Mike

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> I was wondering if anyone knew where a fast track paramedic course

> is offered in the East and South East Texas area.

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[Guest guest]

There used to be one in Houston, I don't remember who ran it - but it

was a small class size with lots of focused attention on the student.

Ask around, I'm sure someone here knows the name of the guy who did it

- he did CE as well...

Mike

>

>

>

> I was wondering if anyone knew where a fast track paramedic course

> is offered in the East and South East Texas area.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I wish I could have got my B.S. degree in 700 clock hours. I'd have 10 of

them by now.

E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP

Midlothian, TX

Don't miss EMStock 2005 (http://www.EMStock.com)

Re: Fast Track Paramedic Course

" Alfonso R. Ochoa " <asclapius@a...> wrote:

>

> If becoming a paramedic required at bare minimum an associates degree

> like the nursing profession, we wouldn't be talking about this.

Not necessarily. EMT-Paramedic, hour for hour, is longer than nursing

school. The only difference is that colleges drag the calendar out longer

for nursing school.

Rob

[Guest guest]

I wish I could have got my B.S. degree in 700 clock hours. I'd have 10 of

them by now.

E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP

Midlothian, TX

Don't miss EMStock 2005 (http://www.EMStock.com)

Re: Fast Track Paramedic Course

" Alfonso R. Ochoa " <asclapius@a...> wrote:

>

> If becoming a paramedic required at bare minimum an associates degree

> like the nursing profession, we wouldn't be talking about this.

Not necessarily. EMT-Paramedic, hour for hour, is longer than nursing

school. The only difference is that colleges drag the calendar out longer

for nursing school.

Rob

[Guest guest]

I wish I could have got my B.S. degree in 700 clock hours. I'd have 10 of

them by now.

E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP

Midlothian, TX

Don't miss EMStock 2005 (http://www.EMStock.com)

Re: Fast Track Paramedic Course

" Alfonso R. Ochoa " <asclapius@a...> wrote:

>

> If becoming a paramedic required at bare minimum an associates degree

> like the nursing profession, we wouldn't be talking about this.

Not necessarily. EMT-Paramedic, hour for hour, is longer than nursing

school. The only difference is that colleges drag the calendar out longer

for nursing school.

Rob

[Guest guest]

Sooooooo.... back on topic here. ARE THERE any fast-track courses

left in Texas? I'd consider going back and recertifying if it didn't

take forever.

Rob

[Guest guest]

Sooooooo.... back on topic here. ARE THERE any fast-track courses

left in Texas? I'd consider going back and recertifying if it didn't

take forever.

Rob

[Guest guest]

Sooooooo.... back on topic here. ARE THERE any fast-track courses

left in Texas? I'd consider going back and recertifying if it didn't

take forever.

Rob

[Guest guest]

You still would have to attain the following 31 non-nursing semester hours:

Humanities: 6 semester hours

Social Sciences/History: 6 semester hours

Natural Sciences/Mathematics: 8 hours

Arts and Sciences Electives: 7 hours

Written English: 3 hours

Information Literacy: 1 hour

Then take 36 nursing semester hours.

If you just do the 36 nursing credits it will cost you about $14,000 for an

AS or AAS degree.

More than half the people who start the Excelsior Nursing Program never

finish.

E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP

Midlothian, TX

Don't miss EMStock 2005 (http://www.EMStock.com)

Fast Track Paramedic Course

>

>

> it takes 1-3 years to become a licensed plumber (based on an

> exhaustive askjeeves.com search), yet we have folks who want to

> graduate as professionals in EMS in 4 months.

>

> Am I the only one that thinks this is upside down?

>

> Nile

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You still would have to attain the following 31 non-nursing semester hours:

Humanities: 6 semester hours

Social Sciences/History: 6 semester hours

Natural Sciences/Mathematics: 8 hours

Arts and Sciences Electives: 7 hours

Written English: 3 hours

Information Literacy: 1 hour

Then take 36 nursing semester hours.

If you just do the 36 nursing credits it will cost you about $14,000 for an

AS or AAS degree.

More than half the people who start the Excelsior Nursing Program never

finish.

E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP

Midlothian, TX

Don't miss EMStock 2005 (http://www.EMStock.com)

Fast Track Paramedic Course

>

>

> it takes 1-3 years to become a licensed plumber (based on an

> exhaustive askjeeves.com search), yet we have folks who want to

> graduate as professionals in EMS in 4 months.

>

> Am I the only one that thinks this is upside down?

>

> Nile

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You still would have to attain the following 31 non-nursing semester hours:

Humanities: 6 semester hours

Social Sciences/History: 6 semester hours

Natural Sciences/Mathematics: 8 hours

Arts and Sciences Electives: 7 hours

Written English: 3 hours

Information Literacy: 1 hour

Then take 36 nursing semester hours.

If you just do the 36 nursing credits it will cost you about $14,000 for an

AS or AAS degree.

More than half the people who start the Excelsior Nursing Program never

finish.

E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP

Midlothian, TX

Don't miss EMStock 2005 (http://www.EMStock.com)

Fast Track Paramedic Course

>

>

> it takes 1-3 years to become a licensed plumber (based on an

> exhaustive askjeeves.com search), yet we have folks who want to

> graduate as professionals in EMS in 4 months.

>

> Am I the only one that thinks this is upside down?

>

> Nile

>

>

>

>