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Dede,

I'm so sorry to hear about all you are going thru! It's really hard

to take care of yourself and others at the same time! My mother

used to take care of my very ill grandmother and after she died, I

took my grandmother in. Everyone else wanted to shove her in a

nursing home. She was terrified of them! I was in the worst

position of all to care for her compared to others in the family,

but no

one else would do it. I was very sick with all my illnesses and

surgeries, plus I had 2 yr old twins at the time. Two toddlers and

a fragile, grumpy 88 yr old woman don't mix very well. But, I did

it. I took wonderful care of her until she passed away a year later

of a broken heart from the death of my mother. You're a wonderful

person for caring for your dad. As hard as it was, I always look

back and am so grateful that I was able to do that for her. All her

life she had a phobias of nursing homes. I always promised her that

if there was anything I could do about it, I would, and not let her

suffer alone in a nursing home. I am so glad I was able to keep

that promise to her. You will always have warm memories of caring

for your dad. Also, I think doing something so selflessly for

someone else will also help you with you own health. I will answer

more questions later about all my surgeries and I have a bunch of

questions that would like to ask, but now I need to go rest and get

ready to go pick up my twins from school! Thanks to all of you!!

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Dede,

I'm so sorry to hear about all you are going thru! It's really hard

to take care of yourself and others at the same time! My mother

used to take care of my very ill grandmother and after she died, I

took my grandmother in. Everyone else wanted to shove her in a

nursing home. She was terrified of them! I was in the worst

position of all to care for her compared to others in the family,

but no

one else would do it. I was very sick with all my illnesses and

surgeries, plus I had 2 yr old twins at the time. Two toddlers and

a fragile, grumpy 88 yr old woman don't mix very well. But, I did

it. I took wonderful care of her until she passed away a year later

of a broken heart from the death of my mother. You're a wonderful

person for caring for your dad. As hard as it was, I always look

back and am so grateful that I was able to do that for her. All her

life she had a phobias of nursing homes. I always promised her that

if there was anything I could do about it, I would, and not let her

suffer alone in a nursing home. I am so glad I was able to keep

that promise to her. You will always have warm memories of caring

for your dad. Also, I think doing something so selflessly for

someone else will also help you with you own health. I will answer

more questions later about all my surgeries and I have a bunch of

questions that would like to ask, but now I need to go rest and get

ready to go pick up my twins from school! Thanks to all of you!!

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I want everyone to know that I realize nursing homes are a necessity

for some people. I do not mean any disrespect for anyone out there

with a different situation that required a nursing home for their

loved one. Jill

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I want everyone to know that I realize nursing homes are a necessity

for some people. I do not mean any disrespect for anyone out there

with a different situation that required a nursing home for their

loved one. Jill

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Jill ~

God Bless YOU ! ! You have been thru so

much on all levels. Now it is time to try to organize

things and try to make sense of as much of it as

you can. I think you will now have something to

work with so that you can work your way to having

your health and life back.

Hugs Prayers and Hope ~ DedeDelicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living.

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Jill ~

God Bless YOU ! ! You have been thru so

much on all levels. Now it is time to try to organize

things and try to make sense of as much of it as

you can. I think you will now have something to

work with so that you can work your way to having

your health and life back.

Hugs Prayers and Hope ~ DedeDelicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living.

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Jill,

Wow how awful to lose your best friend. That is great that you 2 were so close.

Now you are in the right place and you are going to get your life back. Yippee!

Trust me when the girls say its going to takes patience and time it does.

Sometimes with us typing its hard to understand everything than talking to

someone on the phone. So you have to pay close attention and that is even

hard to do.Whew!!!!! You will never forget this experience and now you are

on the road to recovery we dont seem too forget the people here that helped us.

We love you hang in there and heal from surgery like I am doing right now.

I just wish I would have got those capsules out when I got the implants out.

I was trying to do things on my own because I didn't understand things here

because I had so much brain fog that I couldn't even see in front of me.

God is with you and he did not bring you this far to leave you.

Love

In a message dated 2/20/2008 10:52:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, DGRAHAMA@... writes:

Jill ~

God Bless YOU ! ! You have been thru so

much on all levels. Now it is time to try to organize

things and try to make sense of as much of it as

you can. I think you will now have something to

work with so that you can work your way to having

your health and life back.

Hugs Prayers and Hope ~ Dede

Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living.

Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living.

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Jill,

Wow how awful to lose your best friend. That is great that you 2 were so close.

Now you are in the right place and you are going to get your life back. Yippee!

Trust me when the girls say its going to takes patience and time it does.

Sometimes with us typing its hard to understand everything than talking to

someone on the phone. So you have to pay close attention and that is even

hard to do.Whew!!!!! You will never forget this experience and now you are

on the road to recovery we dont seem too forget the people here that helped us.

We love you hang in there and heal from surgery like I am doing right now.

I just wish I would have got those capsules out when I got the implants out.

I was trying to do things on my own because I didn't understand things here

because I had so much brain fog that I couldn't even see in front of me.

God is with you and he did not bring you this far to leave you.

Love

In a message dated 2/20/2008 10:52:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, DGRAHAMA@... writes:

Jill ~

God Bless YOU ! ! You have been thru so

much on all levels. Now it is time to try to organize

things and try to make sense of as much of it as

you can. I think you will now have something to

work with so that you can work your way to having

your health and life back.

Hugs Prayers and Hope ~ Dede

Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living.

Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living.

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Jill,

I was dx'd with fibro too . . .

Basically, FM is linked to a sleep disorder. . . It can be induced in ANYBODY by depriving them of enough sleep. However, when people catch up on their sleep, they usually feel better. However, some people keep the symptoms.

There are a number widely varied "triggers" for FM . . . They don't make sense until you realize that the thing they have in common is something that keeps one from getting sufficient deep sleep for a sustained period.

Because the muscles cannot be repaired during sleep, they begin developing problems. Basically the tissue that covers becomes very taut. This causes the muscles to pull against the bone where they attach. (the trigger points). . . If the muscle stays squeezed for too long, the blood supply to the muscle gets shut off, and calcified knots develop . . . These can be very painful. . . And, the more one hurts, the less they move . .. the less they move, the more hurt. . . .So it becomes a viscious cycle.

The things that help . . . Healthy diet . . . exercise (not too much, or too strenous) - just moving, moving, moving. . . FAR infrared saunas . .. Hot Epsom salt baths . . . deep tissue massage therapy . .. plus deep sleep by whatever means you can.

Therapy doesn't have to be expensive . . . but it does take time and effort! Until recently, I've been able to keep my symptoms under control to the point I wouldn't know I have FM . . . Recently I started taking a medication that puts me at risk for internal bleeding if I get deep tissue massage therapy. I cannot eat green foods in the quantity I enjoy, or take vitamin/mineral supplements I was used to taking.

It's going to take me a while to get through this . . . Just like it's going to take time for you. If you'll start a journal of how you feel and everything you eat or do, you'll begin to see links between your diet and detox programs and how you feel!

Hugs and prayers,

Rogene

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Jill,

I was dx'd with fibro too . . .

Basically, FM is linked to a sleep disorder. . . It can be induced in ANYBODY by depriving them of enough sleep. However, when people catch up on their sleep, they usually feel better. However, some people keep the symptoms.

There are a number widely varied "triggers" for FM . . . They don't make sense until you realize that the thing they have in common is something that keeps one from getting sufficient deep sleep for a sustained period.

Because the muscles cannot be repaired during sleep, they begin developing problems. Basically the tissue that covers becomes very taut. This causes the muscles to pull against the bone where they attach. (the trigger points). . . If the muscle stays squeezed for too long, the blood supply to the muscle gets shut off, and calcified knots develop . . . These can be very painful. . . And, the more one hurts, the less they move . .. the less they move, the more hurt. . . .So it becomes a viscious cycle.

The things that help . . . Healthy diet . . . exercise (not too much, or too strenous) - just moving, moving, moving. . . FAR infrared saunas . .. Hot Epsom salt baths . . . deep tissue massage therapy . .. plus deep sleep by whatever means you can.

Therapy doesn't have to be expensive . . . but it does take time and effort! Until recently, I've been able to keep my symptoms under control to the point I wouldn't know I have FM . . . Recently I started taking a medication that puts me at risk for internal bleeding if I get deep tissue massage therapy. I cannot eat green foods in the quantity I enjoy, or take vitamin/mineral supplements I was used to taking.

It's going to take me a while to get through this . . . Just like it's going to take time for you. If you'll start a journal of how you feel and everything you eat or do, you'll begin to see links between your diet and detox programs and how you feel!

Hugs and prayers,

Rogene

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This morning, when I woke up in my usual horrible pain, I wondered

what I should do next to try and help myself. I felt like I hit a

wall with nowhere else to go and nobody who understood what I was

going thru. I told my husband I didn't want to go on anymore. I

went online so I could file a formal complaint against the surgeon

who put one implant under and the other over the muscle. Somehow, I

wound up on this site. I am so grateful because I think all the

women on here have a wealth of information they can share with me to

help me get thru this. I can't believe someone FINALLY understands

what I've been going thru. I don't feel as hopeless as I did this

morning. I've been on a couple other sites, but I pretty much avoid

them because I have found people to be so hateful and cruel. I'm

too sick to get caught up in that kind of drama. I am amazed at how

kind and supportive all you women are on here. I've never

understood why people lack empathy and compassion for others.

Everyone on here seems to have nothing but empathy and compassion

for eachother. That alone makes me feel better.

But, I still feel like I hit a wall. I honestly don't know how I

should be approaching my health issues anymore. I have so much

going on, It's overwhelming. I'm going to go put my kids to bed,

then I would like to post my issues in hopes that I can get as much

feedback as I can on what I should be doing now. I'm so sorry you

all have been thru this, but I am grateful that you can share your

experiences with me and help guide me thru this Hell of a life I

have right now. Thanks again for ALL of the kind words and support

I have received. I will post again in a little while......Jill

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This morning, when I woke up in my usual horrible pain, I wondered

what I should do next to try and help myself. I felt like I hit a

wall with nowhere else to go and nobody who understood what I was

going thru. I told my husband I didn't want to go on anymore. I

went online so I could file a formal complaint against the surgeon

who put one implant under and the other over the muscle. Somehow, I

wound up on this site. I am so grateful because I think all the

women on here have a wealth of information they can share with me to

help me get thru this. I can't believe someone FINALLY understands

what I've been going thru. I don't feel as hopeless as I did this

morning. I've been on a couple other sites, but I pretty much avoid

them because I have found people to be so hateful and cruel. I'm

too sick to get caught up in that kind of drama. I am amazed at how

kind and supportive all you women are on here. I've never

understood why people lack empathy and compassion for others.

Everyone on here seems to have nothing but empathy and compassion

for eachother. That alone makes me feel better.

But, I still feel like I hit a wall. I honestly don't know how I

should be approaching my health issues anymore. I have so much

going on, It's overwhelming. I'm going to go put my kids to bed,

then I would like to post my issues in hopes that I can get as much

feedback as I can on what I should be doing now. I'm so sorry you

all have been thru this, but I am grateful that you can share your

experiences with me and help guide me thru this Hell of a life I

have right now. Thanks again for ALL of the kind words and support

I have received. I will post again in a little while......Jill

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Jill,

Please relax! . . .

Your first impulse is going to be to try to do everything at once . . . Please don't.

First scan the materials, then consider what you think you can do without stressing over it.

Start slow, and plan to stick with it for a long time to come.

If you'll start a journal of how you feel, what you do, what you eat, supplements and detox programs you try, you'll begin to see what helps (or doesn't). And when you have those inevitable days when you feel like you're not getting anywhere, you'll be able to look back and see how far you've come. THAT will keep you going!

Systemic candida/fungus/yeast problems are one of the most common we see. . . The symptoms can mimic a host of ugly autoimmune diseases that will scare the devil out of you! . . . I'd try to forget about the diagnoses . . . forget about getting tests . . . If you'll put everything into getting rid of the bad organisms, putting good ones in your body, and giving your body the nutrients it must have to heal, you'll soon be seeing progress. . . .

Something you should know about is the Herximer effect . . . Herxing is a temporary worsening of symptoms when you start detoxing. It can be scary . . . But if you're prepared for it, you come to the point where you appreciate those uncomfortable feelings because you'll know your body is telling you it really needed "that". . . The trick is starting slow - then finding a balance where you can detox without herxing so badly that you want to quit.

One of the biggest hurdles is adopting a healthy way of eating . . . especially when you don't feel like cooking! . . . The Maker's Diet can explain why a healthy digestive system is important . . . and has food recommendations. Basically, the diet means NO sugar, no refined grains, no processed foods, no microwaving, no deep frying . . The diet is easier if you concentrate on what you CAN eat . .. There are plenty of foods you'll be able to eat . . . I'd suggest starting slow . . . find healthy foods you enjoy. Eventually they will crowd the junk foods out. . . The idea is finding a healthy way of eating for life! . . . In the meantime, your family will likely benefit from a healthier eating program as well.

First treat with antifungals, then probiotics . .. all the while eating foods that discourage fungal growth.

Once you get the hang of the diet, you'll be ready to start some detox programs!

Hugs,

Rogene

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Jill,

Please relax! . . .

Your first impulse is going to be to try to do everything at once . . . Please don't.

First scan the materials, then consider what you think you can do without stressing over it.

Start slow, and plan to stick with it for a long time to come.

If you'll start a journal of how you feel, what you do, what you eat, supplements and detox programs you try, you'll begin to see what helps (or doesn't). And when you have those inevitable days when you feel like you're not getting anywhere, you'll be able to look back and see how far you've come. THAT will keep you going!

Systemic candida/fungus/yeast problems are one of the most common we see. . . The symptoms can mimic a host of ugly autoimmune diseases that will scare the devil out of you! . . . I'd try to forget about the diagnoses . . . forget about getting tests . . . If you'll put everything into getting rid of the bad organisms, putting good ones in your body, and giving your body the nutrients it must have to heal, you'll soon be seeing progress. . . .

Something you should know about is the Herximer effect . . . Herxing is a temporary worsening of symptoms when you start detoxing. It can be scary . . . But if you're prepared for it, you come to the point where you appreciate those uncomfortable feelings because you'll know your body is telling you it really needed "that". . . The trick is starting slow - then finding a balance where you can detox without herxing so badly that you want to quit.

One of the biggest hurdles is adopting a healthy way of eating . . . especially when you don't feel like cooking! . . . The Maker's Diet can explain why a healthy digestive system is important . . . and has food recommendations. Basically, the diet means NO sugar, no refined grains, no processed foods, no microwaving, no deep frying . . The diet is easier if you concentrate on what you CAN eat . .. There are plenty of foods you'll be able to eat . . . I'd suggest starting slow . . . find healthy foods you enjoy. Eventually they will crowd the junk foods out. . . The idea is finding a healthy way of eating for life! . . . In the meantime, your family will likely benefit from a healthier eating program as well.

First treat with antifungals, then probiotics . .. all the while eating foods that discourage fungal growth.

Once you get the hang of the diet, you'll be ready to start some detox programs!

Hugs,

Rogene

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Dear Jill,

I am relieved to know you were properly explanted. Isn't Melmed the sweetest thing? Did you find him through explantation.com? You poor girl, struggling through all this on top of taking care of children and keeping your marriage and home together.

I just wanted to pipe in and second what the others are saying about how long it takes to heal from implant illness. I had my implants for only a month when I started to get very, very sick. I suffered a whole year of total disability before I figured out that it was the implants that were killing me. I had my explant by Melmed, and I went through the same recovery pattern as many here-- at first I felt terrible, worse than before, but slowly over time I got better, bit by bit. I've always had a clean diet, and have kept to it all along, but unlike some women here I did not do any detoxing. I did have a hormone panel, as did several women in the group, which showed my adrenals to be in a severe exhaustive state, which is common for us implant survivors. You might want to get the same panel at some point after you've healed a while. I did add certain supplements and herbs to my diet, which I believe have helped.

Now, 2 years post-explant, I am SO MUCH BETTER. I am able to lead a normal life again. I am not the ball of energy I used to be, but that's okay. I need to be extra careful of my energy use and diet, otherwise I'll have a "flare," but I generally feel pretty fine most of the time, and I continue to improve.

YOU WILL TOO. I promise you, Jill! I know how hard it is to believe. I look back on the old emails I sent to this group after my explant, when I was still so sick, and I was so desperate to feel better, and no matter how much everyone reassured me, I didn't believe them because I felt so terribly. But they were right, I did get better.

Keeping a symptom journal can help you track your progress and allow you to see how you really are getting better. And keep doing the things that feel good to you, as often as you can. Baths, massages, walks, whatever works for you. There's some evidence that the body needs to be retrained to feel good after a long period of the opposite.

Good luck, and stay close.

Yours,

Bindi

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Dear Jill,

I am relieved to know you were properly explanted. Isn't Melmed the sweetest thing? Did you find him through explantation.com? You poor girl, struggling through all this on top of taking care of children and keeping your marriage and home together.

I just wanted to pipe in and second what the others are saying about how long it takes to heal from implant illness. I had my implants for only a month when I started to get very, very sick. I suffered a whole year of total disability before I figured out that it was the implants that were killing me. I had my explant by Melmed, and I went through the same recovery pattern as many here-- at first I felt terrible, worse than before, but slowly over time I got better, bit by bit. I've always had a clean diet, and have kept to it all along, but unlike some women here I did not do any detoxing. I did have a hormone panel, as did several women in the group, which showed my adrenals to be in a severe exhaustive state, which is common for us implant survivors. You might want to get the same panel at some point after you've healed a while. I did add certain supplements and herbs to my diet, which I believe have helped.

Now, 2 years post-explant, I am SO MUCH BETTER. I am able to lead a normal life again. I am not the ball of energy I used to be, but that's okay. I need to be extra careful of my energy use and diet, otherwise I'll have a "flare," but I generally feel pretty fine most of the time, and I continue to improve.

YOU WILL TOO. I promise you, Jill! I know how hard it is to believe. I look back on the old emails I sent to this group after my explant, when I was still so sick, and I was so desperate to feel better, and no matter how much everyone reassured me, I didn't believe them because I felt so terribly. But they were right, I did get better.

Keeping a symptom journal can help you track your progress and allow you to see how you really are getting better. And keep doing the things that feel good to you, as often as you can. Baths, massages, walks, whatever works for you. There's some evidence that the body needs to be retrained to feel good after a long period of the opposite.

Good luck, and stay close.

Yours,

Bindi

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Thanks so much Bindi . . . I remember how bad you felt! You were in a really bad place when you came to the group!What makes this group work so well is our "alumni" like you who stay in touch. . . If it wasn't for ladies like you, it would be really, really hard for people to attempt to make the changes it takes to get well. . . especially when some of the things sound so weird and they feel too sick to make an effort!Love,Rogene

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Thanks so much Bindi . . . I remember how bad you felt! You were in a really bad place when you came to the group!What makes this group work so well is our "alumni" like you who stay in touch. . . If it wasn't for ladies like you, it would be really, really hard for people to attempt to make the changes it takes to get well. . . especially when some of the things sound so weird and they feel too sick to make an effort!Love,Rogene

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